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Images of TOS Defiant from "In a Mirror, Darkly"
J. Carney:
--- Quote from: TranceEmotion on January 26, 2005, 01:30:43 pm ---nemesis, any more need be said about failed movies............ i think they just barely covered costs.....
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That was the only one to barely makeit- and it was a sucky story. t was also almost universally boycotted because Berman had near total control and totally rewrote Trewk to make it work for his movie.
All other Trek Movies have grossed well.
Dropping B&B will solve the only real problem fans have with Trek... the way that one man disreguards what the entire fan base wants.
Rat Boy:
--- Quote from: J. Carney on January 26, 2005, 01:16:04 pm ---First off... Paramont has NOTHING that they can KNOW will bring in money like a Trek movie. Have any of the Trek movies FAILED to make money?
EVER?
Nope... they are a sure thing.
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Nemesis came close to not breaking even. Video sales helped it out in the end, but the bottom line is that the guranteed profit margin for a Trek movie has dropped off considerably. I don't see them greenlighting another one now, and they didn't as the recent reports suggest. No, a Trek film is by no means a "sure thing" anymore. At best, it could work in the direct-to-video market, but those rarely earn enough to cover the budget of a Trek feature.
--- Quote ---Plus, most fans have a beef with B&B, not Trek.
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If that were the case, they would have came back to ENT when Manny Coto took over. So far, they haven't, and more still are leaving.
--- Quote ---Trek will NEVER be something that Paramont will take lightly, and they will never give up on it.
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That was definately true a year ago. Sherry Lansing, the head of the studio, is credited as the one who stuck by Trek through the recent years. However, she quit late last year and there are inklings that the attitude of the current management towards Trek is different than what it was.
This is it, J. If ENT doesn't start performing soon and if the studio decides to cut its losses, Trek is finished. Not for a year, not for five years, but for a really long time. And I for one fear that it'll end up just like Battlestar Galactica; gone for twenty years only to return in a bastardized and unrecognizable form that doesn't deserve the name of Star Trek.
J. Carney:
--- Quote from: Rat Boy on January 26, 2005, 02:30:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: J. Carney on January 26, 2005, 01:16:04 pm ---
--- Quote ---Plus, most fans have a beef with B&B, not Trek.
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If that were the case, they would have came back to ENT when Manny Coto took over. So far, they haven't, and more still are leaving.
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How long has he been runing the show- a couple of months? Half a season? A whole season?
It takes a while to get people's trust back. He has made a lotof converts on the boards here, and will have done the same out there... more will come back as hard-core's like us get the word out that times they are a'changing.
Regaining the fans B&B lost will take time, but it will happen, and Paramont will be watching for it. Trek is something that they can't let die. It's a bad business move.
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Rat Boy:
--- Quote from: J. Carney on January 26, 2005, 03:47:05 pm ---How long has he been runing the show- a couple of months? Half a season? A whole season?
It takes a while to get people's trust back. He has made a lotof converts on the boards here, and will have done the same out there... more will come back as hard-core's like us get the word out that times they are a'changing.
Regaining the fans B&B lost will take time, but it will happen, and Paramont will be watching for it. Trek is something that they can't let die. It's a bad business move.
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The problem, J., is that ENT needs to be regaining these fans back *right now* instead of continually losing them as it is. ENT needs something big to regain their ratings, and fancy sets and cameos by characters from another spin-off show aren't going to do it. They need the very man they've been trying to get for months but apparently have given up on; they need William Shatner to come back as James Kirk. That is the only way to draw the fans back.
And you're wrong; Trek needs Paramount more than the other way around. You may think it's a bad business move, but putting the franchise on extended hiatus like it did for the 70s is looking more and more like a viable option to the suits. Which is why we have to keep watching. We can't let ENT die for if it goes, the entire franchise will get dragged down with it. Then all you'll have is re-runs on Spike TV sandwiched between ads on time-shares and impotency pills.
Rat Boy:
And to get this thread back on track, if you look real close at the bottom of the ship's dedication plaque, it says "Tranquility Base." Apparently, Starfleet has a shipyard in orbit of the Moon.
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