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Images of TOS Defiant from "In a Mirror, Darkly"
Rat Boy:
Anyone catch the vague allusion to "Mirror, Mirror" in last night's episode?
Hyperion:
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--- Quote from: J. Carney on January 26, 2005, 03:47:05 pm ---How long has he been runing the show- a couple of months? Half a season? A whole season?
It takes a while to get people's trust back. He has made a lotof converts on the boards here, and will have done the same out there... more will come back as hard-core's like us get the word out that times they are a'changing.
Regaining the fans B&B lost will take time, but it will happen, and Paramont will be watching for it. Trek is something that they can't let die. It's a bad business move.
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The problem, J., is that ENT needs to be regaining these fans back *right now* instead of continually losing them as it is. ENT needs something big to regain their ratings, and fancy sets and cameos by characters from another spin-off show aren't going to do it. They need the very man they've been trying to get for months but apparently have given up on; they need William Shatner to come back as James Kirk. That is the only way to draw the fans back.
And you're wrong; Trek needs Paramount more than the other way around. You may think it's a bad business move, but putting the franchise on extended hiatus like it did for the 70s is looking more and more like a viable option to the suits. Which is why we have to keep watching. We can't let ENT die for if it goes, the entire franchise will get dragged down with it. Then all you'll have is re-runs on Spike TV sandwiched between ads on time-shares and impotency pills.
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I would tend to agree with you that the franchise needs to bring the fans back. However Bill shatner is i lbelieve close to 70 years old. His day is done as the recurring character of Kirk in any TV series and he would likely be the first to tell you that. Not only that but what could you possibly offer Shatner to come back to what seems to be a nightmare of a weekly sci-fi drama for a man in his seventh decade? Frankly i dont think there is anything that tempt him.
All tv shows die and pass on . reruns of once loved shows are broadcast all the time on classic channels etc etc. But the facts are (at least to me) that Star Trek has essentially been sucked dry of any possible future. What are we going to do with it? Have the Romulans, Again. More Klingons, again, more aliens with funny bumps on thier heads? or perhaps we can revisit the past, again?. Once i saw the Alien Nazi's storyline i knew that not only scraped the bottom of the barrel but had pretty much knocked the bottom out.
Im not complaining, We had a good run of Star Trek from the Next Generation till now, almost two full decades worth of something we loved. But i think the reason that we did love it is that we had to wait a long time for it since the end of TOS. So perhaps a generation from now some propeller-head at Paramount will look back at this time when he was young and remebered that he loved STar Trek and will think of something original.
If enterpise has to go , well then it has to go. Most people including myself that B&B are a couple eraserheads who instead of trying something new for star trek , simply took and new venue and rehased the same ideas until even fans got sick of watching it and more or less raved at just how far the franchise had been let down. Star Trek needs a break, a long one. And if doesnt come back thats ok too. If one were to sit down and watch every espisode from al the ST series for 8 hours a day it would take weeks towatch it all, everything said and done, thats a pretty good legacy
Chris Johnson:
I once-again quote myself, to Hyperion this time:
--- Quote from: Chris Johnson on January 29, 2005, 10:20:46 pm ---But don't grow pessimistic over Star Trek's future. Enterprise might go on for a fifth season. And even if it doesn't, we'll still have the novels, the past shows, the movies, the websites, etc. Star Trek won't die out, and it's existance could be majorly fan-based. I wonder however if the future of Trek is more of heading that way as we converse on this forum, with fanfilms such as Starship Exeter and Star Trek: New Voyages. My main point here I'm trying to make is that Enterprise won't be Star Trek's death. It might hurt, but like in Trek's World War III, it's not the end. It's just a hurtle onto heading for a brighter future. That's why I majorly like Star Trek; It's optimism. People are really lacking it here, and I'm really disappointed. Whether Enterprise is canceled or not, I believe Star Trek won't die out. Not with a fan base as big as what Trek has.
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Here's what I'm emphasizing here:
--- Quote from: Chris Johnson on January 29, 2005, 10:20:46 pm ---That's why I majorly like Star Trek; It's optimism. People are really lacking it here, and I'm really disappointed.
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I state that because I feel your message is overall not really optimistic, Hyperion. I mean no offense, but I just feel this way.
Dash Jones:
Personally, though it isn't popular, I think putting Trek on hiatus for the next few years is EXACTLY what trek needs. In my opinion.
Either that or start and Excelsior series with Sulu as Captain...and soon before George dies.
Hyperion:
--- Quote from: Chris Johnson on February 06, 2005, 03:27:23 pm ---I once-again quote myself, to Hyperion this time:
--- Quote from: Chris Johnson on January 29, 2005, 10:20:46 pm ---But don't grow pessimistic over Star Trek's future.? Enterprise might go on for a fifth season.? And even if it doesn't, we'll still have the novels, the past shows, the movies, the websites, etc.? Star Trek won't die out, and it's existance could be majorly fan-based.? I wonder however if the future of Trek is more of heading that way as we converse on this forum, with fanfilms such as Starship Exeter and Star Trek: New Voyages.? My main point here I'm trying to make is that Enterprise won't be Star Trek's death.? It might hurt, but like in Trek's World War III, it's not the end.? It's just a hurtle onto heading for a brighter future.? That's why I majorly like Star Trek; It's optimism.? People are really lacking it here, and I'm really disappointed.? Whether Enterprise is canceled or not, I believe Star Trek won't die out.? Not with a fan base as big as what Trek has.
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Here's what I'm emphasizing here:
--- Quote from: Chris Johnson on January 29, 2005, 10:20:46 pm ---That's why I majorly like Star Trek; It's optimism.? People are really lacking it here, and I'm really disappointed.
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I state that because I feel your message is overall not really optimistic, Hyperion. I mean no offense, but I just feel this way.
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None taken, but eveything depends on the context in which "optimistic" and "optimisim" are used. I for onw who likes star trek and always have. Im gratefull that ive had the oppportunity to watch some very good epsidoes of the series and all of the movies which have been made.
Like i said im not complaning about any of it. Ive enjoyed it, even bad trek was worth watching compared to some of the series that have come and gone (Melrose place, Dallas, Baywatch, simple life etc, etc). But i do believe that the the franchise as a whole has been played out pretty much. If i can take an narrow anology. The Franchise is like a renewable resource. However for the last 17-18 years various people at paramount have simply squeezed that franchise until the only drips left leave a bad taste in a fans mouth.
If my optimism is to be found its not in the idea that William Shatner or Leonard nimoy will by thier very presence would have returned ST to its glory days. That was never and now will not ever happen. You can only have so many guest appearances for the novelty until it wears off. The optimism lies with simply giving it a break. Back in the sixties and 70's leading op to ST: TMP was the desire of the fans to see more ST. Unfortuntealy that fan base seems to have devolved to those who attends Sci-fi cons. Or at least the ones that make noise at Paramount.
For most of the public the reaction to ST has been "What?...more?...again?" and with good cause ,with a unbroken string of ST series since the late eighties. More and more people simply turned the channel, and it showed in advertsiing revenues for Enterprise. It's not the viewers fault they simply didnt get into it. And with "reality" TV and some honestly good shows out there (sopranos, desperate housewives, Six feet under etc etc) the competiton for the viewer was getting tighter and Enterprsie essentially failed to give the viewer something new. Whether that because of B&B or not isn't the issue , the end result is.
Do i hope that ST makes a comeback. Of course. but they are going to find it difficult. 18 years of ST shows has depleted the "resource" in a very real way. There are those who say that ST cannot ever die because of the "idea" of the Federation itself. Not so . Your average family is just that. You have a couple who both hold down jobs with two kids, who just want to be entertained. The dont want to have figure out what a klingon is or a romulan or vulcan or why the andorians have attanae on thier blue skinned heads whenthey have perfectly good eyes. More over they dont care.
Optimism is always a good thing to have , but it should be tempered for the reality of the modern viewing public. If pessimism is defined as simply a desire for orginality, based upon the fact the Enterprise ratings have gotten lower and lower then by all means, its pessmistic. But as far as Television and movies go, its not "fans" that make or break a show, its Mrs. & Mr Smith and the 2.5 little "smiths" that determine whats a hit or miss.
If i a man who made serious wishes, i would asked for a ST that were the Federation were a little less "perfect" Utopia that we were showwn. Where people failed sometimes and people died somtimes (and i dont mean the odd guest star) Show a Federation where officers and crew are "people" not just Marionettes with thier hand on the hearts spouting the prime directive, who actually have to make hard decision as to where thier real loyaltes lie. Or where whatever crisis comes up is solved by some technobabble and and special effects. In other words have something the general public can attach too.
"Enterprise" had the potential but they just couldnt pull it off
Hyp
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