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AlienLXIX

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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2005, 11:28:13 am »
Oh cry me a river, we pay 3.05 in san diego

Well that's one other reason I hope Ferret never gets stationed there!  Sure we'd be near you Pun but damn with that price and the traffic into base?!  OH hella NO!  >:(

BTW we are now paying $2.89 here. 

Hey when is the Feds gonna say that this is the rainy day that they have been saving up oil for?
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2005, 11:32:12 am »
 :rofl: @ Aliens post!  ;)
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2005, 07:01:49 pm »
:'( :'( Jack is laughing at me!  :'( :'(

Whaaaaaaa make him stop! :P

So are you telling me that there is no such thing as oil reserves?  That its all a lie?  A fairy tail to help the grown ups sleep at night?  What?
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2005, 07:48:02 pm »
I was not laughing at you, I was laughing at the hella no comment and stuff. My apologies.

The fundamental argument for higher oil involves increasing demand and inelastic supply. Increases in consumption, mainly in India and China, are estimated to result in a 5% per year increase for Asia's total consumption. Although there is domestic production of oil, of course, spare capacity rests with OPEC countries, particularly the low-cost producer Saudi Arabia, which is estimated to have a quarter of the world's oil. Saudi Arabia is now pumping 11 million barrels of oil per day, almost full capacity, so every small increase in demand has a big impact on prices. With demand increasing and supply already allocated, the price of oil will continue to climb.

The fundamental argument for lower oil is that there is plenty of oil. Americans consume around 20 million barrels of oil per day. This is a huge amount, but increasing only very gradually, at around 1% per year. Europeans consume around 15 million barrels per day, but growth in European consumption is also relatively stable. Asia now consumes about 18 million bpd (with China alone consuming more than 6 million). Due to technological advances and new discoveries, the world's oil supply, rather than dwindling, actually grows year after year. Supply problems, therefore, are ultimately short term. In response to greater demand, new supply is brought online. And if no new supply comes online, then demand slackens. Some analysts also argue that speculation is currently driving the energy markets. Oil is a bubble, they say, akin to the South Sea bubble, or the Dutch Tulip Mania -- the result of speculation and greed.

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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2005, 01:00:46 am »
OK with all those words you just threw at me you are basically saying that at some point we are going to see a light at the end of the tunnel? 

Oh and is it the end of the tunnel or is it that freaking huge freight train?  :-\ :P
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2005, 08:29:40 am »
Light? There is a headlight from the freight train coming right at us, IMO. It's simple math Alien. China has over 1 billion people, and a 5% yearly increase in fuel consumption? OMG, that is millions of users per year!  :( Let's not leave India out of the mix.

The U.S. has what? 260 million people plus the undocumented people? So for safety's sake let's say 300 million people? A 1% yearly increase is nothing compared to the percentage of China and India.

There is still oil, it's just going to be more expensive to drill it. ANWAR will not be the answer, neither will be IRAQ. When you deal with a unreplenishable commodity, it will run out sooner or later. We might not see it, but the next generation surely will, IMHO.
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2005, 09:29:08 am »
Here where we DON'T mock France: we should do as they have and INCREASE our nuclear power plants.  I think it is inevitable, so the sooner the better.
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2005, 01:58:12 am »
Here where we DON'T mock France: we should do as they have and INCREASE our nuclear power plants.  I think it is inevitable, so the sooner the better.

I have to agree with you on that one even though the thought of 'nuclear' gives me the heebejeebes.  Then again where the HEL do we put the slag when it'd done giving us energy?  Stupid to bury it as at some point we know something is gonna go really badly wrong and we pay for it big time.

There are alternative options out there.  We just have to have the tech to make these alternatives cost effective and more efficient.

More solar, better batteries, geo-thermal, wind, and even trash!  Come on lets get our brightest engineering minds on these problems!
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2005, 09:47:35 am »
1. Utah.

2. Those other methods will not generate the volume of power the modern world needs.  I can't (yet) see any way.
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2005, 07:41:57 am »
And in Mass, our educated senators, messieurs Kennedy and Kerry, have taken a NIMBY attitude against the Cape wind project. This project would place windmill towers 6-10 miles off of the coast and generate enough electricity for all of Cape Cod. However it would be near the area of the Kennedy Compound and therefore is unacceptable. I think these are the type of projects we should be developing.
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2005, 05:49:18 pm »
You've got a point about the oil running out.  I've decided that my next vehicle will be a hybrid of full electric of some type, because when this car is paid off gas is gonna be over $5/gallon, and I'm telling you it's not going to get any cheaper.  Those of us here that are under 40 or so will see the end of the oil.  They're predicting 2050, and that was at 1995 usage.  Barring any big wars, I think we'll be lucky to have any oil in the ground by 2040, and it's going to become economically useless to any but the upperclass by 2015-2020. 

I'm just guessing here, but my generation is in for a bumpy ride, thanks to the wasteful bastards that came before us.


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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2005, 09:07:13 pm »
The new Toyota Prius gets 61 mpg in the city. I met an asst. football coach for U.T. at my neighborhood 7/11 and I inquired about his new Prius. He fills up every two weeks, and it's all mostly city downtown driving as U.T. is right by downtown in Austin.

Toyota has already stated they will make all of their models with a hybrid option. Next year's model release will be the hybrid Camry, and I imagine people will be snapping them up as the Camry is still the number one selling sedan in the U.S.
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Re: Bad news for our forum members in Hawaii
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2005, 09:22:50 pm »
Lexus has a hybrid SUV hitting the market in 2006.  It gets 35 MPG, which is pretty darned impressive for an SUV (Although those crappy mini-vans people drive to their eco-meetings to berate SUV's don't get very good mileage either).  My Tahoe gets 18 MPG on the highway (unless I am towing), and that's better than many mini-vans.  My old Z-28 got 28 MPG on the highway.
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