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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #90 on: January 20, 2008, 09:33:06 am »
well for that the tmp and or the phase 2 is not like on the poster, well beside a old model made by atra hasis for sfc1.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2008, 03:37:34 pm »
Sorry it's taking so long, guys. I've been stymied with the hull plate. The Saucer seems to be ok now except for weathering. I'm working on the plate for the rest of it. Here's an update.


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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2008, 03:49:06 pm »
Purrrrty ... That's so cool ...

Great job thus far Rod ... take all the time you need!

:drool:

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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2008, 04:59:37 pm »
Take your time and get her looking right. Amazing work so far.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2008, 06:08:07 pm »
Very nice  ;D
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2008, 08:45:52 pm »
damn rod, this is just looking great
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2008, 11:07:17 pm »
That ship looks great. If you are stymied by the hull plating improvise. You dont have to make it match exactly for it to look just as good as the high poly version. 7k is higher than i would have done, but it is a good count considering the hardware standards of todays machines. Being a solid mesh, and with all those curves i doubt anything lower would work. In any case that is some fine work.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2008, 12:20:33 am »
might i suggest some weathering to the name and registry as they look too clean as to compared to the slightly worn hull. dont have to pay attention to me though.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2008, 09:52:10 am »
might i suggest some weathering to the name and registry as they look too clean as to compared to the slightly worn hull. dont have to pay attention to me though.

Agreed.. maybe convert it to a raster layer and add a bit of noise after doing a small gaussian blur.. :)
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2008, 11:27:04 pm »
Nearing completion, now. Still have the glows around the sensor, some sort of vent or grate on the front of the neck area, and the spot lights on the pylons. The plating and weathering is done, I think.

I'll try the registry weathering that you guys suggested. Thanks, Alec, for the suggestion on how to do it. I thought about "noise" too. Or possibly a layer with the blend mode set to dissolve?  I hadn't thought about Gaussian blur though. That should give a worn/blended effect to the edges.



Even though she's not done, I thought that I'd do an Alpha test in game. Included a screenie. Sorry about the jaggies. I'm due for a computer upgrade on a couple of months. ;D
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2008, 12:13:35 am »
I'm drooling already.  :-D  +1
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2008, 02:22:09 pm »
Gabe's difficult to email. I've posted for release permission at TrekBBS. Gabe posts there. We'll wait and see.

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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2008, 02:24:19 pm »
Can we see a wireframe?
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« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2008, 02:26:41 pm »
Can we see a wireframe?

Sure. I'm off to work right now, but I'll post one later.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2008, 02:28:38 pm »
Sweet deal.
If you get a permission, you are of course likely to see some kitbashes.
I know you'll get a slew from me.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #105 on: February 02, 2008, 11:51:56 pm »
I know you guys are all drooling over this Koerner design, but look at this one.  It's sort of like a 50s/60s muscle car Enterprise.

I am sure you can see the chrome details and such reminiscent of classic cars.















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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2008, 12:04:21 am »
That looks hotter than hot.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2008, 12:10:49 am »
That looks hotter than hot.

Definitely. How many polys in that model?
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« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2008, 05:55:30 am »
very nice  ;D
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #109 on: February 05, 2008, 02:05:18 pm »
Rod ... All I can say is ...

:drool:

:trekgasm:

Lepton, Y'know, back a couple of weeks ago, I was taking a hard look at those pics ... A Connie version I am working on is kind of a polygamous marriage between that design, the one Rod has built and a few ideas of my own.

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« Reply #110 on: February 19, 2008, 04:24:02 am »
Very nice work there rod... and im really liking this other one too.. looks extremely high poly though.. but still fantastic work on both fronts  :)
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« Reply #111 on: May 05, 2008, 05:43:32 pm »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #112 on: May 05, 2008, 09:29:33 pm »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you

I think Rod never got permission from the author of the original model which inspired his project.  I think one of the Bridge Commander guys has the same problem.

At least that's what I heard last concerning this particular ship.
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« Reply #113 on: May 05, 2008, 11:06:46 pm »
Whatever happened to this, did rod ever release this? I was dying for this one. anyone know what happened? thank you

I think Rod never got permission from the author of the original model which inspired his project.  I think one of the Bridge Commander guys has the same problem.

At least that's what I heard last concerning this particular ship.

That's correct, sadly. I'd love to post it, but Gabe hasn't responded to e-mails or PMs.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #114 on: May 06, 2008, 06:20:49 am »
Question, are there enough unique features on your model.... from Gabe's.... You might be able to get away with a concept idea for the new film. Without getting Gabe's permission. Thats if theres enough of your own personal idea in there. and i think that end of the day... You've made this model, you've made the textures.....Don't see a problem.. As i said if you have enough unique features that can prove that its yours intellectuality.
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Re: OT: You have to see this !!! WOW
« Reply #115 on: May 06, 2008, 11:34:08 am »
All social niceties and community protocols aside, I would have to agree, particularly when you consider that Gabe's concept is unmistakably based on the Connie which is officially trademarked in and of itself.  However, considering the unpleasantness that ensues across communities when there's even a whisper of plagiarism, it's better to show restraint and show respect for the other's wishes.

Beautiful work Rod.  Shame we can only bask in her beauty from afar.
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« Reply #116 on: May 06, 2008, 12:52:04 pm »
I said it because of those "Protocols" and "Niceties" Every single Connie model, kitbash, redesign, refit is a plagiarism of the original. This Connie Has too many differences from Gabe's original not to be counted as a copy. I mean the similarities between Gabe's and Rod's and even the one Lepton showed us....None of them should be released because they look like Matt Jeffery's original.... Rod built this model using his own imagination which happened to be influenced by Gabe's vision. As long as Gabe's name is given in the credits for inspiration. Wheres the problem?

I mean seriously, and with all respect. When did we all become fluffy bunnies who are so concerned with political correctness that we allow it to stifle and restrain what we have being doing here for years. Because if this what we have boiled down too then what is the point of us ever having to make a model again?

Sorry for the rant, i Don't mean to start anything here as Rod's work on this model and its textures are whats important.

 
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« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2008, 03:48:53 pm »
I have to agree with FW on this.  Basicly every model released would be considered plagerism at some point just because it is Star Trek based without permission from Paramount, or the models of the BSG on another thread.

I can understand having to ask for permission if you used actual work (graphics, ship parts) but because you seen a ship and yours had influances, that is still original work as long as you didn't copy it verbatim in looks and such (or just a cosmetic change).  Going to far down the have to get permision road would stop any ships from being released because someone can always say "I see concepts of my design in that ship" and the bad part is that that person would have concepts of someone elses design in his, etc, etc.

 A bi-line of "parts inspired by designs of so and so" should be good anough.  Would be fine with me if someone took a ship I drew and made a model based on it.  Heck even the US copywrite office lets you copywrite an update to someone elses design.

It is sad, as I have seen the flames of someone saying "NO you can't use my design at all, remove it, blah blah" but those usually are from reskining things mostly.

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« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2008, 04:53:38 pm »
I know I'm kinda going against what i said just a couple of hours ago, but us discussing the point in this thread isn't the place. With that in mind, We can agree and disagree on this issue as much as we want, at the end of the day its Rod's choice, if he chooses not to release for what ever his reasons we just have to wait. Rod as another option to you. You could do a limited release, say by request only and in the readme stating that until its public release, this model, parts of model and its textures cant be uploaded anywhere else.... Just an idea.


As for the topic of "Drawing the line" to where you can and can't release and such (Not including the personal policies of the people but the ethics possible solutions that basically cover our own butts) I suggest another thread which i will start after I've posted this.


Anyway back to the model. Rod, on the side of the saucer where the docking ports normally are... That blueish area doesn't feel right, perhaps some sort of hatch and/or some thrusters might work.
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« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2008, 05:59:02 pm »
I said it because of those "Protocols" and "Niceties" Every single Connie model, kitbash, redesign, refit is a plagiarism of the original. This Connie Has too many differences from Gabe's original not to be counted as a copy. I mean the similarities between Gabe's and Rod's and even the one Lepton showed us....None of them should be released because they look like Matt Jeffery's original.... Rod built this model using his own imagination which happened to be influenced by Gabe's vision. As long as Gabe's name is given in the credits for inspiration. Wheres the problem?

I mean seriously, and with all respect. When did we all become fluffy bunnies who are so concerned with political correctness that we allow it to stifle and restrain what we have being doing here for years. Because if this what we have boiled down too then what is the point of us ever having to make a model again?

Sorry for the rant, i Don't mean to start anything here as Rod's work on this model and its textures are whats important.

 

Apparently you've forgotten all the various times this community, and others, have dealt with issues concerning other people's work being used or copied, or converted/ported without expressed consent.  Remember the ugliness those situations brought about. 

I mean, to have one or two ideas in a model that's clearly inspired by someone elses work, but the model as a whole is far different than someone elses, then I'll agree with you, you can get away with releasing said model and give credit for inspiration.

But when the concept is extremely close to what inspired you in the first place, then you're just asking for trouble.

Again, don't forget what happens everytime someone does something like this.  Extremely ugly, and the last thing this community needs is to be branded a bunch of rip offs and plagarists.
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