Topic: TNG Constitution Project (Read 12326 times)

AsYlUm · « **on:** October 17, 2007, 01:20:31 pm »

I dont know if it has been done before, but this is my project to make an tng era constitution class.. this ship / design i think would fit between A-C possibly along side the ambassidor class..
Still a long way to go.. but when the model is complete it will be one object and 100% clean. If you have any sugestions im always open to hear your ideas.

Thanks for taking the time to look.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2007, 02:41:59 pm »

My first impresion would be a refit ambassador, not connie, due to the shape of the drive hull. You might want to consider slimming down the drive hull and not angling the deflector if you want to appear more in direct liniage to the connie. I would save a copy of the current drive hull because it's too nice a mesh to throw out if you do decide to change something. The nacelles rule.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2007, 02:52:40 pm »

THanks for the input.... It was originally constructed flat... i then shaped it angular because i thought it would allow the traditional connie features to be brought forward i.e to the "C" era.. although i havent saved the flat version it is an interseting idea to keep a copy of it... although it would become an issue, as such a change later on would be quite drastic in the UVW mapping and texturing..

Thanks.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2007, 03:28:24 pm »

ok.. I added some more detail... and added in an skylight to bring out the detail, I hope this shows the orientation of my idea a little more... (think im gonna stick with the slanted deflector for now)

Ok I dont know what ur gonna think about the twin impulse things above the impulse engines... im not technical.. dont know what they do... but i seen some twin ones before, thought it looked like an advancement, but not reaching too far.. a nice feature i think. tradition impulse engines brings back that conny look too i feel.

as previously said, comments and suggestions more than welcome.

Vipre · « **Reply #4 on:** October 17, 2007, 04:40:01 pm »

Nice start, looking forward to seeing it advance. I'd like to suggest a 20% increase to the length of the nacelles. Or use the length to height ratio from TMP.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2007, 01:36:09 am »

Ok, how about having the deflector somewhere's between the angle now and flat?

Like the update dude, btw. Oh yea and those rings in the deflector (the onse you see from head on) have you thought about adding 1 or 2 more inside the exsisting rings?

AsYlUm · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:29:05 am »

Thanks guys... Longer necelles.. I will have a pop and see how it looks, less of an angle on the deflector is a cool idea, as for more rings . . do you mean inside the last set? in the bowl as it where?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2007, 12:36:17 pm »

Quote from: asylum on October 18, 2007, 11:29:05 am

Thanks guys... Longer necelles.. I will have a pop and see how it looks, less of an angle on the deflector is a cool idea, as for more rings . . do you mean inside the last set? in the bowl as it where?

My guess is that he's looking at something like this (and excuse the quick edit, I'm at work).

AsYlUm · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2007, 01:14:31 pm »

Nice edit lol

thanks... thats what i ahd in mind.

Wicked Zombie · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2007, 01:55:09 pm »

It's an awfully good start. TNG Constitution might be a bit misleading though - more like a TNG replacement/decendant. That aside, I do have a few suggestions:

I'd definitely consider downsizing that impulse deck because even the original Connie didn't have one that large and things haven't changed much by TNG era.

The boxes/greebles on the warp nacelles could be downsized also and you may want to try adding something to the flat end of them. That's something I learned with doing nacelles is that if the end is empty, you have to either drop in a box or greeble or make up extra texture detail so it doesn't look left out.

This isn't a critique but I'd definitely keep the bridge idea as trying to make a bridge merge with the curvature of the saucer is often more trouble than it's worth. Having that flat deck prevents it from being an issue.

Beyond the little things, it looks to be on the right track.

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2007, 02:30:10 pm »

Just me, but I think the bottom of the saucer needs to be, less pronounced. No room for the Photon Tubes to be placed on the Dorsal Connector if the Saucer sticks out that far.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2007, 12:00:22 pm »

Guys thanks allot for your comments and suggestions so far, so i initially made the necelles longer in the middle and overall they look quite nice now... although WZ you are right anout detailing the end with summat.. thats what im gonna work on next.
I have angled the front so its not so sheer and looks more flat and added an extra ring to the inside, i have shrunk the impulse (had to rebuild the saucer around it

) and i have lowered the hull away from the saucer, thus allowing the neck to have a nice torp launcher. I have also begun shaping the shuttle bay.

Your suggestions so far have helped mold this model, thanks for the input

Vipre · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2007, 12:42:53 pm »

Looking sweet.

My last idea.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2007, 12:44:58 pm »

Quote from: asylum on October 19, 2007, 12:00:22 pm

Guys thanks allot for your comments and suggestions so far, so i initially made the necelles longer in the middle and overall they look quite nice now... although WZ you are right anout detailing the end with summat.. thats what im gonna work on next.
I have angled the front so its not so sheer and looks more flat and added an extra ring to the inside, i have shrunk the impulse (had to rebuild the saucer around it ) and i have lowered the hull away from the saucer, thus allowing the neck to have a nice torp launcher. I have also begun shaping the shuttle bay.

Your suggestions so far have helped mold this model, thanks for the input

Glad to help.. and to mention it, it's a gorgeous mesh.. it's why you're getting good comments on it. People would like to see this one make it out.

But I know what was bugging me with this.. the impulse deck is scaled a bit too large I think for the size.. maybe about 65% or so of it's current size as a suggestion.

... and maybe about 85% scaling down for height on the secondary hull maintaining length.. that'll give you something that looks like this:

darkthunder · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2007, 03:33:42 pm »

Very nice mesh indeed. We definitely need a serious TNG-upgraded Connie "replacement"

And this one, fits the part.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:21:17 pm »

how about sticking a roundish bulb thing in the back of the nacelles like the concorde or carolina:

http://gallery82737.fotopic.net/p4793268.html
http://gallery82737.fotopic.net/p4712260.html (though I would ight the seams on this one it's too bland.)

AsYlUm · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2007, 01:28:07 am »

Carolina necelles look awsome... I may just use that idea for the rear of mine thanks starforce2, Vipre it took ten minutes to see what you had done but then i noticed you brought the necelles back

lol.. I will reduce the height of the impulse deck as atheorhaven (and wz) has suggested then i will see about moving the necelles slightly.. gonna work on it a bit more today and i will show you a wip a little later..

again thanks for all your comments and suggestions

Vipre · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2007, 03:59:39 am »

Quote from: asylum on October 20, 2007, 01:28:07 am

Vipre it took ten minutes to see what you had done but then i noticed you brought the necelles back lol.. I will reduce the height of the impulse deck as atheorhaven (and wz) has suggested then i will see about moving the necelles slightly.. gonna work on it a bit more today and i will show you a wip a little later..

again thanks for all your comments and suggestions

Uh oh, I thought I gave a description. My mistake, I've such crap memory. I actually didn't move the nacelles back, I moved the saucer about a half inch forward. Depeding on the neck design it's meant to give a sense of movement even when the ship isn't. Also it's another throw back to the original E as that is about the same position in relation to the seconadary hull.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2007, 06:48:29 am »

I have now finished the rear of the necelles and the impulse deck is done, completed the shuttle bay and repositioned the saucer section... im gonna work on the bridge next.

thanks for all your feedback

AsYlUm · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2007, 08:37:23 am »

so i have finished the bridge and upper saucer area and also reduced the size of the secondary hull slightly

im gonna finish the rest of the secondary hull next and then work on the neck

thanks.

Vipre · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:25:05 am »

Really nice work. I don't know why we never saw one Connie variation on TNG. The design was only 80 years old. Even the TMP upgrade from TOS only used the frame, everything else was new. It seems odd that they wouldn't just build wholly new ship frames and redesignate it to fill a frigate class slot.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2007, 05:49:42 pm »

Nice work again!

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2007, 07:47:06 pm »

im very impressed

F9thDawg · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2007, 08:14:03 pm »

Ill be damned someone actually decided to do a new TNG connie. I must say this is going to be the nicest to date. All we need now is a TNG connie bridge SF i like those nacelles in the second link u posted a bit up this page. Anyways ill be keepin an close eye on this.

Fedman NCC-3758 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2007, 08:47:15 pm »

Here's another looking forward to seeing this baby finished.

Planting thread monitoring device here ------->

Adonis · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2007, 08:52:48 am »

Quote from: asylum on October 21, 2007, 08:37:23 am

so i have finished the bridge and upper saucer area and also reduced the size of the secondary hull slightly

im gonna finish the rest of the secondary hull next and then work on the neck

thanks.

You could chamfer out the edges on the bridge's "steps", to make the transitions from the walls to the top of each of the two decks round, just a small suggestion.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2007, 10:49:50 am »

Guys thnk u very much for ur comments and suggestions so far..

i like the bridge idea too adonis.. i'll give it a slight chamfer... when im done im gonna make a tos style shuttle, with tng features to boot.

thanks. I'll post further progress later.

Starforce2 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2007, 07:47:11 pm »

What stype of weapons will you be giving it?

Oh and if you find this helpfull:
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Phaser_strip_tutorial;55648

AsYlUm · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2007, 08:53:43 am »

sorry fellas could not post a wip last night, i ended up rebuilding the entire saucer because of a glitch i wasnt happy with... however that meant i got to redesign the impulse engines which was nice

thanks starforce2, i will take a look at that... as for phasers i was planning strips... thought the other original ones would be a little outdated for this particular design..

thanks guys... i'll put a wip up a little later

AsYlUm · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2007, 02:29:39 pm »

Hi Guys... i have finished the basic shape of the neck, detail will be added, i.e extrusions where the photon tubes will be and things like that, still got along way to go on the mesh before i start to unwrap and texture it... however the mesh is all one object, and everything is tidy. For the pylons i was thinking traditional 1701a type.... mabey with a slight bend in... but i will look at that later, phaser stripps need to be added.. how many do you think i will need realistickly... im also debating as to where to place the rear phot tubes?

guys again your comments and suggestions are more than welcome.. you as a community have helped shape this into what it is

thanks

Vipre · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2007, 03:22:57 pm »

Love the saucer redesign and the neck is a great bridge between TMP and TNG. Here's my suggestion for placement (not shape) of the dorsal phaser strips (black lines). The strips would be the normal "arc" and on the secondary hull would follow hull curves. Ventral placement on the saucer would be the same as the dorsal and the same as the TMP E on the secondary hull Also I'd like to suggest narrowing the width of the neck spine by 50% (red lines) and lowering the final end point by 50% so it doesn't look so "thick/high" in the side view

The white circle is the nav becon/sensor, same as the TOS E. For the rear tube I'd place it right under the rear edge of the shuttle deck and make it a single tube not a double like the front.

Other than the beacon this is all inspired by TNG and by the Ent-C

Rod ONeal · « **Reply #31 on:** October 24, 2007, 04:10:01 pm »

I think it'd look more like a Connie if the saucer rim tapered in on the bottom rather than flared out. Maybe taper the 2ndary hull sooner so the taper starts before the cutout, and slope the sides of the bridge. Just my .02. You, of course, are free to completely ignore everything I've said.

Adonis · « **Reply #32 on:** October 25, 2007, 12:20:45 am »

One more slight thing. The forward of the neck seems to be closer to the deflector on each new class that has the Constitutions setup. The TOS Connie has it like on this one, the TMP Connie's one is pushed more forward, the Ambassadors is even closer and the Galaxy's merges with the Deflector rim structure.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #33 on:** October 25, 2007, 10:21:33 am »

There would be one really cool idea that hasn't been done if you do keep the raised back of the neck at the very bottom... you could do a small set of windows back there and either have an observation deck, or a hanger control deck up there.

Either would look kind of neat.. but then again, pulling the neck down flush at the back would look cleaner.

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