Topic: TNG Constitution Project (Read 12327 times)

Starforce2 · « **Reply #330 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:10:57 pm »

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #331 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:37:56 pm »

Amazing work, Asylum.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #332 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:57:03 pm »

Quote from: AsYlUm on February 12, 2008, 04:42:00 pm

Thanks fellas..

so after looking at ur design and speaking to centurus on msn, i have this pod.. im gonna split the left and right sides horizontaly in the centre too..

its now all cleaned up and stuff.. some refining and detailing to be done..

Love the pod.. but the rollbar reminded me of something you might want to consider for an idea..

The Ent-D bridge's back wooden consoles:
https://bravofleet.com/pegasus/images/bridge-9.gif

And the Andromeda Ascendant:

I used that basis playing around to come up with a side view like this:

AsYlUm · « **Reply #333 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:26:34 pm »

roll bars, thats interesting...

so... this is by no means perminant i was just toying with a secondary hull idea.... mabey two varients.. dunno :?

Fallen_Warrior · « **Reply #334 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:39:35 pm »

it gives it a kind of akira/sabre vibe i like

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #335 on:** February 12, 2008, 09:35:41 pm »

I'm not digging the secondary hull idea....just doesn't fit my idea of a TNG Miranda.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #336 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:23:33 pm »

Quote from: Fallen_Warrior on February 12, 2008, 07:39:35 pm

it gives it a kind of akira/sabre vibe i like

As well as being Nebula-lite.. I could see this idea in a TNG FCL concept, sure.. would make a really good variant.

atheorhaven · « **Reply #337 on:** February 12, 2008, 11:27:15 pm »

Quote from: Red_Sharif on February 12, 2008, 09:35:41 pm

I'm not digging the secondary hull idea....just doesn't fit my idea of a TNG Miranda.

Doesn't say traditional Miranda maybe.. but I could see this idea as a precursor for something like an Intrepid or New Orleans.

Think about it in that sort of role.. and the design does make sense.

But yeah, I'd like to see this as a variant as well..

atheorhaven · « **Reply #338 on:** February 13, 2008, 01:37:15 am »

Three posts in a row?

Geez, gotta keep it short then.

(psst: download SFC2 version of Gagarin here until it gets elsewhere):
http://www.4shared.com/file/37667940/b5a16b97/gagarin_release_SFC2.html

Converted and hopefully HP/DPed correctly.. someone want to fly it and try it out with a screenshot of it ingame?

(edit: Too tired to remember this last night.. I reduced the poly count on the break mod to try and make sure that all was well with the game if the ship does get blown up..

And ship is scaled about where it should be as well ingame..

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #339 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:52:03 pm »

Thanks can't check it out yet as the game is currently not installed, by any chance did anyone get the PSD files yet?

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #340 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:05:38 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 13, 2008, 01:37:15 am

.. someone want to fly it and try it out with a screenshot of it ingame?

Yep...glad to. And thanks Atheorhaven for the conversion.

Just awesome! Thank you so much for creating this fine ship, Asylum!

atheorhaven · « **Reply #341 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:44:14 pm »

Quote from: Red_Sharif on February 13, 2008, 05:05:38 pm

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 13, 2008, 01:37:15 am
.. someone want to fly it and try it out with a screenshot of it ingame?

Yep...glad to. And thanks Atheorhaven for the conversion.
Just awesome! Thank you so much for creating this fine ship, Asylum!

Glad to see it, but is it shooting phasers from behind the bridge?

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #342 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:51:34 pm »

Quote from: atheorhaven on February 13, 2008, 05:44:14 pm

Quote from: Red_Sharif on February 13, 2008, 05:05:38 pm
Quote from: atheorhaven on February 13, 2008, 01:37:15 am
.. someone want to fly it and try it out with a screenshot of it ingame?

Yep...glad to. And thanks Atheorhaven for the conversion.
Just awesome! Thank you so much for creating this fine ship, Asylum!

Glad to see it, but is it shooting phasers from behind the bridge?

Yep. I put it in the game as a Fed XCA. Those are Heavy Phasers.

Tus · « **Reply #343 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:01:23 pm »

looks like a few smoothin groups on the naccels didn't get detached... looks good otherwise

GotAFarmYet? · « **Reply #344 on:** February 15, 2008, 10:29:33 pm »

There are some things to consider also when mapping a model

As you can see in Image 1 the mapping break line shows up quite clearly in the game on the side of the ship. This texture would have been better if the break line was across the top to hide it under the neck for the most part. It would be harder to find that way also by lighting that area with light colours would also have helped to hide it. The best place to unwarp from if it can be done is a natural edge, if not then from where it can be seen the least like the bottom or under another structure.

In image 2 we can see see it clearly here if it were on the bottom it would have been partially hide by the phaser. The other option would have been to move the unwrap point to the inside of the warp engine again because it would have been seen less

Just things to keep in mind as you work on future projects

Wicked Zombie · « **Reply #345 on:** February 16, 2008, 01:08:25 pm »

Another way to help alleviate that problem is to have those sections use the same texture map and just weld the points along the seam. That way the smoothing won't be broken up and it will be easier to handle. That doesn't work if the seamed areas use a different map each, so no matter how much welding you do the smoothing won't wrap around them.

Don Karnage · « **Reply #346 on:** February 16, 2008, 01:27:22 pm »

is the ship be hard point?

if yes, well it does need to be fix so the phaser will fire from the right place, and the torpedo are ok?

you should use the xca UI for the hard point so the weapons will fire from the right place.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #347 on:** February 18, 2008, 06:58:39 am »

Bit of a holiday..

smoothing groups on the necelles eh, means nothing to me that, detatch them.. so i highlight A surface or group of polies and then smooth it, then assign it to a smoothing group..

i think it was lost during conversion from the original max file.. thanks for the ingame shots too.. apart from the necelles its looking sweet.

And thanks for the advice with the mapping, I assume you mean to weld the vertices in the uvw mapping window is that correct ?

Im on msn now, so if anyone want the psd's etc come and give me a nudge

Starforce2 · « **Reply #348 on:** February 18, 2008, 01:49:34 pm »

asyulm, go look at how sternbachs miranda like concept was drawn. I know the sec hull isn't shown but the tail of it is and one could infer the basic shape. I think the tng dude had the right idea, due to the fact was saw miradna in tng, this would be after tng, so there's no reason why this ship couldn't had a smaller, more angled sec hull with a sov deflector. You might also consider different nacelles, not sure how more traditional tng nacelles would look next to a sovish hull.

Edit: What is the proper scale for the gagarn?

atheorhaven · « **Reply #349 on:** February 18, 2008, 03:13:53 pm »

Quote from: Starforce2 on February 18, 2008, 01:49:34 pm

asyulm, go look at how sternbachs miranda like concept was drawn. I know the sec hull isn't shown but the tail of it is and one could infer the basic shape. I think the tng dude had the right idea, due to the fact was saw miradna in tng, this would be after tng, so there's no reason why this ship couldn't had a smaller, more angled sec hull with a sov deflector. You might also consider different nacelles, not sure how more traditional tng nacelles would look next to a sovish hull.

Edit: What is the proper scale for the gagarn?

Already answered earlier in the thread:

Starforce2 · « **Reply #350 on:** February 18, 2008, 03:31:49 pm »

alright, thanks. I thought I'd seen a chart but wasn't sure if it was the final size or was a guess during development.

anyways, to add to the secondary hull ideas, here are 2 other tng mirandas to consider:
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Chimera;15997
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Chimera;31174

AsYlUm · « **Reply #351 on:** February 18, 2008, 04:53:03 pm »

little more

Red_Sharif · « **Reply #352 on:** February 18, 2008, 06:13:05 pm »

That rollbar is amazing. Looking good so far.

I'd like to see the aft section of the hull extended a bit, but that is just my personal preference. She's shaping up to be a real beauty.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #353 on:** February 19, 2008, 01:10:54 am »

Thanks, im not 100% on the necelles thus far and i have some tyding up to do..

AsYlUm · « **Reply #354 on:** February 19, 2008, 09:03:30 am »

Ok.. so taking influence from various other models i have remade some more appopriate necelles, im gonna fiddle with the detail on the rollbar too, i think it may be a little too much in places, adjusted the rollbar as suggested , shown in the front view.. need to work that aft section now.

buzzards will be as you can see in the last pic.. but obviously textured

AsYlUm · « **Reply #355 on:** February 19, 2008, 10:09:23 am »

roll bar detail reduced..

explanation of rollbar features..

Starforce2 · « **Reply #356 on:** February 19, 2008, 10:09:48 am »

another possible change would be to give the megaphsaers barrels so that they are more like defiant pulse weapons, because honestly a tng megaphaser would either be a smaller version of the fanboyish gal-x blaster everyone loves to diss on or be a form of technology that would be redundant and unessecary due to the advancement of standard phaser, which levaes us with the pulse cannon. Honestly, if you are doing this on the same scale as a gagarn, the miranda wont be that much larger than the defiant so pulse weapons may be an added bonus. Just a thought.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #357 on:** February 19, 2008, 10:19:37 am »

Yeah thats interesting, havent given scale much thought.... oops

Shadowfleet · « **Reply #358 on:** February 20, 2008, 04:52:06 pm »

As always I'm impressed with your work. I really like the way you've incorporated the thrusters, deflector, and toprpedoes on the new roll bar design.

If I were the king of design and not just a lowly squire

, I'd make the aft section of the hull slightly longer and thicker.

If you released her just the way she is I'd be thrilled so please take this for what it is worth.

AsYlUm · « **Reply #359 on:** February 20, 2008, 05:03:54 pm »

Im gonna make some adjustments to the torps cos they are lazily made..then im going to try the idea about the aft hull

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