Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 05:59:48 pm
Launch an admin shuttle against the AI. Slow down to let the shuttle get between you and the enemy (a slow stripped R-WB+ works well). The AI may try to capture/hit&run the shuttle which causes a CTD (I don't see the transporter effect)...
From the readme:
7) AI tries to board fighters - fixed
I'm not sure if this applies to admins.
Alternatively, it could have something to do with my test ship, the R-DUM, which has no shields and a turn mode of "H"(immobile). I'm trying to reproduce the crash with a regular R-WB+ but haven't yet succeeded though I haven't done a lot of trials.
I'm totally guessing that the new code which prevents the AI from beaming to fighters might conflict with admin shuttles. Maybe it has something to do with plasma...though I doubt the AI would ever fire an EPT/shotgun Plasma at an admin. EDIT: The AI does fire 50 point R-torps at admins!
I need more eyes looking at this phenomenon.
Thanks.
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 06:25:52 pm
(2 attempts)
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 06:30:29 pm
-- Luc
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 06:38:29 pm
Post by: Toasty0 on July 23, 2003, 06:41:41 pm
On the 3rd try with standard Admin the graphic failed to display, but the game played correctly otherwise.
Best,
Jerry
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 08:04:34 pm
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
Post by: Corbomite on July 23, 2003, 08:12:20 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
LOL! No offence Tar, but when is that circumstance EVER going to show up in a normal game?
Post by: Toasty0 on July 23, 2003, 08:16:46 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
A modded ship?
so, do you think it would've been the least bit helpful letting us know that one of the ships used was a mod before asking us to help track this bug...
Hmmmm
Best,
Jerry
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 08:33:24 pm
I've learned that the plasma is not the cause. My suggestion that simlutaneous firings might be the cause is unsupported. I just CTD when the ship appeared to be ready to fire its Ph-3. while the Plas-R was recharging. Cloak is not the cause either.
I'm getting closer to the cause.
Post by: Cleaven on July 23, 2003, 08:46:13 pm
<several swift kicks to self for being an idle git>
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 09:33:28 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
I CTD'd.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 09:44:17 pm
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
Post by: Lepton1 on July 23, 2003, 10:00:02 pm
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 10:19:09 pm
I later noticed that trying to reinforce shields on a ship with one or more nominally strength zero shields will CTD. So in order for everything to work properly with t-bombs and reinforcement a ship must have at least strength 2 shields all around. Strength 1 shields don't exist, in fact no odd-numbered shield strengths exist. They're reduced by 1, likely a result of "fixing" double internals on shields in SFC1.03. The old folks around here remember 72 point shields on the C7.
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 10:54:51 pm
Post by: Corbomite on July 23, 2003, 11:23:07 pm
And there is no 360 degree plasma R arc. Even SB have only a 300 degree arc on them for plasma R. Plasma S have a 360 degree arc.
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 23, 2003, 11:38:57 pm
Quote:
OK, here's the deal. If a ship (controlled by AI or player) has no shields by design and tries to use a t-bomb then the game will CTD. This means that Andromedans or Borg would be difficult to add to OP. They could get minimal shields to overcome this bug.
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
Well, this helps me figure out a problem that I was having. I was trying to figure out how to reproduce the equivalent of a minefield around a starbase for a script for EAW and decided to create "transcaptor" mines. They caused CTD. They also didn't have shields, and were immobile. I didn't know where to start to overcome this and quit trying. With this info though, I'll have to give it another try.
Post by: Scipio_66 on July 24, 2003, 02:20:24 am
Quote:
Well, this helps me figure out a problem that I was having. I was trying to figure out how to reproduce the equivalent of a minefield around a starbase for a script for EAW and decided to create "transcaptor" mines. They caused CTD. They also didn't have shields, and were immobile. I didn't know where to start to overcome this and quit trying. With this info though, I'll have to give it another try.
Testing is never wasted.
-S'Cipio
Post by: jdmckinney on July 24, 2003, 07:16:23 am
I'm also bothered by the fact that the game allows shield strengths of odd numbers via spec edits (and in fact, the stock ships have some odd shielding numbers), but penalizes a ship that has them. Why can't that be fixed? It may be minor, but it's still a problem. I had thought (and once posted about it) that the rounded-down shield values were an error in the shipyard that didn't affect play. Nobody bothered to post anything in response when I brought it up, so I just let it go -- nobody cared. It would be nice if players were at least INFORMED in the notes if odd value shields really are rounded down. Otherwise, the shipyard should display the correct value.
Post by: jdmckinney on July 24, 2003, 07:38:48 am
(By the way, I've heard that before and been pleasantly surprised by additional patches, so always take "final" with a grain of salt and appreciate the extra efforts when they happen.)
First and foremost, I'd like to say I'm impressed how few serious issues actually do come up considering Dave Ferrell is (as far as I know) the only Taldren employee working on patches. It's not like he's got unlimited time and resources to throw at a problem.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 07:40:04 am
Quote:
This is just my opinion, but I don't think modding the game so far out of it's normal playing parameters and then seeing a "bug" that cauaes a CTD is a worthwhile endeavor.
And there is no 360 degree plasma R arc. Even SB have only a 300 degree arc on them for plasma R. Plasma S have a 360 degree arc.
The R-BATS and G-BATS have 360 degree Plas-R's. Anyways, the lack of nominal shields is what triggered the bug, not the weaponry.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 07:59:59 am
Quote:
Care to try with other OP or EAW versions?
EAW 2.036 has the same bug. I'd bet that 2.002 has it as well.
Post by: Lepton1 on July 24, 2003, 09:59:30 am
Post by: Dogmatix! on July 24, 2003, 10:24:34 am
Quote:
I agree, it is thoroughly amusing.
I later noticed that trying to reinforce shields on a ship with one or more nominally strength zero shields will CTD. So in order for everything to work properly with t-bombs and reinforcement a ship must have at least strength 2 shields all around. Strength 1 shields don't exist, in fact no odd-numbered shield strengths exist. They're reduced by 1, likely a result of "fixing" double internals on shields in SFC1.03. The old folks around here remember 72 point shields on the C7.
Ah...the good ole days...
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 24, 2003, 12:09:40 pm
Quote:Quote:
Care to try with other OP or EAW versions?
EAW 2.036 has the same bug. I'd bet that 2.002 has it as well.
I'm not too sure if this should be called a bug or just a game limitation. Do any of the stock ships/etc. require this "feature"?
Post by: Holocat on July 24, 2003, 03:39:00 pm
Yes, it's a kinda stupid thing for the AI to do, but when, really, has the AI been awarded with high intelligence in this game?
Anyway, i'll go and see if I can get AI's to board AI fighters again,
Holocat.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 08:33:01 pm
Quote:
I'm not too sure if this should be called a bug or just a game limitation. Do any of the stock ships/etc. require this "feature"?
You are correct. It is not technically a bug since no stock units in the game can manage to create the conditions that lead to the CTD. It is interesting that unshielded units (monsters and the Asteroid base) have transporters but no t-bomb carrying ability. This was either intentional because Taldren knew about this CTD or it was a fortunate coincidence.
"Game limitation" would have been a better term to use as you suggest.
Thanks.
Post by: David Ferrell on July 25, 2003, 11:46:48 am
Thanks,
Dave
Post by: SPQR Renegade001 on July 25, 2003, 11:59:39 am
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Dave
Thanks Dave
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 02:21:03 pm
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Post by: Dogmatix! on July 25, 2003, 03:21:18 pm
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 03:35:54 pm
Quote:
Clearly, you were hallucinating....
Shhh. Dave's fixing crash bugs
Post by: Strafer on July 25, 2003, 03:54:46 pm
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 04:12:42 pm
Quote:
... and the award for the "Nice Try" category goes to Sethan.
Hey, you can't blame a guy for trying.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 25, 2003, 11:53:58 pm
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Wow. That's fantastic for Andromedan purposes. Thanks.
Post by: Toasty0 on July 25, 2003, 11:59:28 pm
Quote:Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Huh?!
My bolt works just fine.
Best,
Jerry
Post by: Sethan on July 27, 2003, 04:53:45 am
Quote:Quote:Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Huh?!
My bolt works just fine.
Best,
Jerry
I need a copy of the .EXE that Toasty0 is using.
Post by: James Formo on July 27, 2003, 09:22:04 pm
Quote:
OK, here's the deal. If a ship (controlled by AI or player) has no shields by design and tries to use a t-bomb then the game will CTD. This means that Andromedans or Borg would be difficult to add to OP. They could get minimal shields to overcome this bug.
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
I see no problems in giving the borg shields. In fact I think they should have them for 2 reasons.
1. The borg adapt and render weapons at time useless. Fast regenerating shields work best to simulate this.
2. Sure you can make the cube tough by giving it armour and a strong hull. But taking away shields reduces strategy.
btw I make my Borg of the Voyager variety. Which means a cube well match up even with a Fed BB and a Fed BC working together. It would be hard to make TNG Borg that need 30 ships to destroy it. Also no point since you only get 3.
Another point I have is minor bugs do not bother me at all. I use 2525 OP and have that bug where missles targeting by plasma D wont get tractored. You can mod ships to work with this bug and the added uncertainty makes it interesting.
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 27, 2003, 09:31:24 pm
Have you been drinking today? LOL
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 05:59:48 pm
Launch an admin shuttle against the AI. Slow down to let the shuttle get between you and the enemy (a slow stripped R-WB+ works well). The AI may try to capture/hit&run the shuttle which causes a CTD (I don't see the transporter effect)...
From the readme:
7) AI tries to board fighters - fixed
I'm not sure if this applies to admins.
Alternatively, it could have something to do with my test ship, the R-DUM, which has no shields and a turn mode of "H"(immobile). I'm trying to reproduce the crash with a regular R-WB+ but haven't yet succeeded though I haven't done a lot of trials.
I'm totally guessing that the new code which prevents the AI from beaming to fighters might conflict with admin shuttles. Maybe it has something to do with plasma...though I doubt the AI would ever fire an EPT/shotgun Plasma at an admin. EDIT: The AI does fire 50 point R-torps at admins!
I need more eyes looking at this phenomenon.
Thanks.
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 06:25:52 pm
(2 attempts)
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 06:30:29 pm
-- Luc
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 06:38:29 pm
Post by: Toasty0 on July 23, 2003, 06:41:41 pm
On the 3rd try with standard Admin the graphic failed to display, but the game played correctly otherwise.
Best,
Jerry
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 08:04:34 pm
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
Post by: Corbomite on July 23, 2003, 08:12:20 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
LOL! No offence Tar, but when is that circumstance EVER going to show up in a normal game?
Post by: Toasty0 on July 23, 2003, 08:16:46 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
A modded ship?
so, do you think it would've been the least bit helpful letting us know that one of the ships used was a mod before asking us to help track this bug...
Hmmmm
Best,
Jerry
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 08:33:24 pm
I've learned that the plasma is not the cause. My suggestion that simlutaneous firings might be the cause is unsupported. I just CTD when the ship appeared to be ready to fire its Ph-3. while the Plas-R was recharging. Cloak is not the cause either.
I'm getting closer to the cause.
Post by: Cleaven on July 23, 2003, 08:46:13 pm
<several swift kicks to self for being an idle git>
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 09:33:28 pm
Quote:
Some more info to help reproduce bug:
Take G-BB against a modded ship with 1 Plas-R 360, 1 Ph3 360, turn mode G(starbase) or H(immobile), no shields, and no cloak.
Get to range 5.5 and stop.
Let AI fire everything at you.
Wait until AI is about 20 seconds from being ready to fire both weapons.
Launch 1 admin shuttle on attack mode.
The shuttle should get between you and the target.
AI apparently tries to fire both weapons simultaneously (at different targets?) resulting in a CTD.
I CTD'd.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 09:44:17 pm
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
Post by: Lepton1 on July 23, 2003, 10:00:02 pm
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 23, 2003, 10:19:09 pm
I later noticed that trying to reinforce shields on a ship with one or more nominally strength zero shields will CTD. So in order for everything to work properly with t-bombs and reinforcement a ship must have at least strength 2 shields all around. Strength 1 shields don't exist, in fact no odd-numbered shield strengths exist. They're reduced by 1, likely a result of "fixing" double internals on shields in SFC1.03. The old folks around here remember 72 point shields on the C7.
Post by: FireSoul on July 23, 2003, 10:54:51 pm
Post by: Corbomite on July 23, 2003, 11:23:07 pm
And there is no 360 degree plasma R arc. Even SB have only a 300 degree arc on them for plasma R. Plasma S have a 360 degree arc.
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 23, 2003, 11:38:57 pm
Quote:
OK, here's the deal. If a ship (controlled by AI or player) has no shields by design and tries to use a t-bomb then the game will CTD. This means that Andromedans or Borg would be difficult to add to OP. They could get minimal shields to overcome this bug.
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
Well, this helps me figure out a problem that I was having. I was trying to figure out how to reproduce the equivalent of a minefield around a starbase for a script for EAW and decided to create "transcaptor" mines. They caused CTD. They also didn't have shields, and were immobile. I didn't know where to start to overcome this and quit trying. With this info though, I'll have to give it another try.
Post by: Scipio_66 on July 24, 2003, 02:20:24 am
Quote:
Well, this helps me figure out a problem that I was having. I was trying to figure out how to reproduce the equivalent of a minefield around a starbase for a script for EAW and decided to create "transcaptor" mines. They caused CTD. They also didn't have shields, and were immobile. I didn't know where to start to overcome this and quit trying. With this info though, I'll have to give it another try.
Testing is never wasted.
-S'Cipio
Post by: jdmckinney on July 24, 2003, 07:16:23 am
I'm also bothered by the fact that the game allows shield strengths of odd numbers via spec edits (and in fact, the stock ships have some odd shielding numbers), but penalizes a ship that has them. Why can't that be fixed? It may be minor, but it's still a problem. I had thought (and once posted about it) that the rounded-down shield values were an error in the shipyard that didn't affect play. Nobody bothered to post anything in response when I brought it up, so I just let it go -- nobody cared. It would be nice if players were at least INFORMED in the notes if odd value shields really are rounded down. Otherwise, the shipyard should display the correct value.
Post by: jdmckinney on July 24, 2003, 07:38:48 am
(By the way, I've heard that before and been pleasantly surprised by additional patches, so always take "final" with a grain of salt and appreciate the extra efforts when they happen.)
First and foremost, I'd like to say I'm impressed how few serious issues actually do come up considering Dave Ferrell is (as far as I know) the only Taldren employee working on patches. It's not like he's got unlimited time and resources to throw at a problem.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 07:40:04 am
Quote:
This is just my opinion, but I don't think modding the game so far out of it's normal playing parameters and then seeing a "bug" that cauaes a CTD is a worthwhile endeavor.
And there is no 360 degree plasma R arc. Even SB have only a 300 degree arc on them for plasma R. Plasma S have a 360 degree arc.
The R-BATS and G-BATS have 360 degree Plas-R's. Anyways, the lack of nominal shields is what triggered the bug, not the weaponry.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 07:59:59 am
Quote:
Care to try with other OP or EAW versions?
EAW 2.036 has the same bug. I'd bet that 2.002 has it as well.
Post by: Lepton1 on July 24, 2003, 09:59:30 am
Post by: Dogmatix! on July 24, 2003, 10:24:34 am
Quote:
I agree, it is thoroughly amusing.
I later noticed that trying to reinforce shields on a ship with one or more nominally strength zero shields will CTD. So in order for everything to work properly with t-bombs and reinforcement a ship must have at least strength 2 shields all around. Strength 1 shields don't exist, in fact no odd-numbered shield strengths exist. They're reduced by 1, likely a result of "fixing" double internals on shields in SFC1.03. The old folks around here remember 72 point shields on the C7.
Ah...the good ole days...
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 24, 2003, 12:09:40 pm
Quote:Quote:
Care to try with other OP or EAW versions?
EAW 2.036 has the same bug. I'd bet that 2.002 has it as well.
I'm not too sure if this should be called a bug or just a game limitation. Do any of the stock ships/etc. require this "feature"?
Post by: Holocat on July 24, 2003, 03:39:00 pm
Yes, it's a kinda stupid thing for the AI to do, but when, really, has the AI been awarded with high intelligence in this game?
Anyway, i'll go and see if I can get AI's to board AI fighters again,
Holocat.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 24, 2003, 08:33:01 pm
Quote:
I'm not too sure if this should be called a bug or just a game limitation. Do any of the stock ships/etc. require this "feature"?
You are correct. It is not technically a bug since no stock units in the game can manage to create the conditions that lead to the CTD. It is interesting that unshielded units (monsters and the Asteroid base) have transporters but no t-bomb carrying ability. This was either intentional because Taldren knew about this CTD or it was a fortunate coincidence.
"Game limitation" would have been a better term to use as you suggest.
Thanks.
Post by: David Ferrell on July 25, 2003, 11:46:48 am
Thanks,
Dave
Post by: SPQR Renegade001 on July 25, 2003, 11:59:39 am
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Dave
Thanks Dave
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 02:21:03 pm
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Post by: Dogmatix! on July 25, 2003, 03:21:18 pm
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 03:35:54 pm
Quote:
Clearly, you were hallucinating....
Shhh. Dave's fixing crash bugs
Post by: Strafer on July 25, 2003, 03:54:46 pm
Post by: Sethan on July 25, 2003, 04:12:42 pm
Quote:
... and the award for the "Nice Try" category goes to Sethan.
Hey, you can't blame a guy for trying.
Post by: TarMinyatur on July 25, 2003, 11:53:58 pm
Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Wow. That's fantastic for Andromedan purposes. Thanks.
Post by: Toasty0 on July 25, 2003, 11:59:28 pm
Quote:Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Huh?!
My bolt works just fine.
Best,
Jerry
Post by: Sethan on July 27, 2003, 04:53:45 am
Quote:Quote:Quote:
Either way it is fixed.
Thanks,
Dave
Go Dave!
I have discovered one more crash bug, though - every time I try to fire a plasma bolt, I get a CTD.
Huh?!
My bolt works just fine.
Best,
Jerry
I need a copy of the .EXE that Toasty0 is using.
Post by: James Formo on July 27, 2003, 09:22:04 pm
Quote:
OK, here's the deal. If a ship (controlled by AI or player) has no shields by design and tries to use a t-bomb then the game will CTD. This means that Andromedans or Borg would be difficult to add to OP. They could get minimal shields to overcome this bug.
Thanks for your help. I'm glad this is a very minor problem.
I see no problems in giving the borg shields. In fact I think they should have them for 2 reasons.
1. The borg adapt and render weapons at time useless. Fast regenerating shields work best to simulate this.
2. Sure you can make the cube tough by giving it armour and a strong hull. But taking away shields reduces strategy.
btw I make my Borg of the Voyager variety. Which means a cube well match up even with a Fed BB and a Fed BC working together. It would be hard to make TNG Borg that need 30 ships to destroy it. Also no point since you only get 3.
Another point I have is minor bugs do not bother me at all. I use 2525 OP and have that bug where missles targeting by plasma D wont get tractored. You can mod ships to work with this bug and the added uncertainty makes it interesting.
Post by: Rod O'neal on July 27, 2003, 09:31:24 pm
Have you been drinking today? LOL