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Title: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 25, 2003, 11:08:32 am
I don't think I've ever gotten my hands on any different versions of Klingon fighters.  Are they out there somewhere?


My main problem with the Taldren ones is that they are too dark and get lost on my screen when I'm playing.  However, I wouldn't might seeing some different takes on them, either.  


Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: atheorhaven on September 25, 2003, 11:19:00 am
Let me see what I can do with the stock textures.. may be able to lighten them up a bit for you.  (I do owe you after all for helping me get my copy of OP, especially since I can't seem to get into the D2 servers)..
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 25, 2003, 11:25:00 am
That would be awesome.  I'd very much appreciate it.  If it is at all helpful, I like Atrahasis' color scheme that he used in his D5, C7 and C5 models.
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: atheorhaven on September 25, 2003, 11:26:56 am
I'll pop by Atra's site then and download a few to get a general idea of the scheme.

(Needed to pop by there anyways though and download his Cygnus anyways)..
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: SPQR Renegade001 on September 25, 2003, 11:38:45 am
Doggy, how fast is your machine? If you've got a newer box, give  these a look. SkinMan's B'rel makes for some sweet fighters, and their light color keep you from loosing them in the action  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 25, 2003, 11:51:46 am
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Doggy, how fast is your machine? If you've got a newer box, give  these a look. SkinMan's B'rel makes for some sweet fighters, and their light color keep you from loosing them in the action  




Think an AMD XP 2700+ system (overclocked to 12x195) with 1 GB of RAM and a Radeon 9700 Pro will suffice?  


Those are kinda cool.  The idea of a bunc o' little B'Rels cruising around is kidna funny.  Are those scled to be really small or are they like PF-sized...?


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: SPQR Renegade001 on September 25, 2003, 01:23:06 pm
They're fighter sized. Just do the usual replace and re-name, and model.siz does the rest. From a distance, they're just tan dots moving around, but when you zoom in, or have one cross your line of sight... Well, you can see that you need to be REAL close before you start loosing detail.

As for your box, yours will blow the doors off of mine, so give it a go.
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: atheorhaven on September 26, 2003, 02:31:11 am
Okay, I just lightened the textures a bit (roughly 15-20%), then redid a few small sections on the fighters so they were better lit and redarkened some of the lighting.  And applied that lighting to the illumination maps as well..

Well, anyways.. here's a shot of the result..



I'll send the bitmaps in email so you can drop them on the stock fighters and see what you think.  (And then give me some feedback on it so I know whether to lighten/darken or whatever)..
 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Kaenyne on September 26, 2003, 07:45:36 am
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Doggy, how fast is your machine? If you've got a newer box, give  these a look. SkinMan's B'rel makes for some sweet fighters, and their light color keep you from loosing them in the action  



Say, where can I get my paws on these neat little B'rels?

Thanks!  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 26, 2003, 11:54:58 am
Thanks, atheorhaven!  You can just drop 'em in an e-mail to me ( dogmatix@cox.net ) and I'll give 'em a go.  

I was using a little HF5C3 (I think it was that one...the one with four fighters) and whenever I launched them, I'd often have no idea where they were until they fired...it was kinda funny.


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: atheorhaven on September 26, 2003, 02:39:36 pm
No problem Dog.. and you used a similar idea to what I'm doing for the B5FC mod that's still in progress.  I grouped a few Starfuries together and hp/dp'ed it like a F-FF.  They're just really *really* crack pilots who fly in formation now.  

(It was the only way around the fighter limit ingame to try and have a fighter/capship battle *look* like Babylon 5 with zillions of fighters attacking the cap ships)...
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: The_Infiltrator on September 26, 2003, 07:04:17 pm
It would be nice if someone could do a klingon fighter rework from scratch. The Z series of fighters from SFB are frankly, IMO, ugly, but provide something of a basis from where to start. SFB Klingon fighters had foward swept wings. Perhaps a canard at the front?
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Azel on September 26, 2003, 07:20:44 pm
 
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 It would be nice if someone could do a klingon fighter rework from scratch.


Is that a Challenge???
He he he  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: DarkMatrix on September 26, 2003, 10:09:47 pm



how about this??

DM
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 27, 2003, 02:41:17 am
atheorhaven!?


Used your rework tonight.  Better...but still a bit too dark for my tastes.  Would you mind lightening it up a little more?


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: nx_adam_1701 on September 27, 2003, 06:13:23 am
Well, you know how in DS9 there were those so called K'Pak fighters, smaller than the BOP, well if your interested I down scaled the BOP, P81's and I made them into klingon fighters

adam out
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on September 29, 2003, 11:15:09 am
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atheorhaven!?


Used your rework tonight.  Better...but still a bit too dark for my tastes.  Would you mind lightening it up a little more?


 




*BUMP* in hopes of getting atheorhaven to take another shot at lightening up his Klingon fighter re-work.  It's better, but still too dark.


Thanks!


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on October 01, 2003, 01:30:47 pm
Once again, a *BUMP* *BUMP* in hopes of getting atheorhaven to take another shot at lightening up his Klingon fighter re-work. It's better, but still too dark.


Thanks!
 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: atheorhaven on October 01, 2003, 03:07:48 pm
Whoops, didn't catch this before.. no problem, can lighten them up more.  About how much more?  I can make them more a grey if you wish, that should be easy to spot.  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: FireSoul on October 01, 2003, 03:46:11 pm
Remember that LODs are very important for attrition units.. ..  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on October 01, 2003, 04:55:49 pm
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Remember that LODs are very important for attrition units.. ..  



What does this mean?  I have no idea what a LOD is other than it has something to do with models...heheh.



 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on October 01, 2003, 04:56:41 pm
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Whoops, didn't catch this before.. no problem, can lighten them up more.  About how much more?  I can make them more a grey if you wish, that should be easy to spot.    



Yes..more grey...a lighter grey should do the trick.  You were very close, I think...just needed to be lightened up more.  
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: FireSoul on October 01, 2003, 06:25:56 pm
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Remember that LODs are very important for attrition units.. ..  



What does this mean?  I have no idea what a LOD is other than it has something to do with models...heheh.
 



Levels Of Details. All Taldren stock models have 3 LODs. Generally, I've found that the LODs have sometimes 2 or 3 sets of BMPs for the models. Having LODs will help with CPU loads when you play a game. I've found that for attrition units (or units that appear a lot, in repetition), it's an excellent idea to implement LODs.

Level 1: Full details. Normal model. (Looking at a ship, close range)
Level 2: activated when backed up somewhat. I found that the LOD here has the same # of polys, but has a reduced quality for the .BMPs. (about 50% x 50% of LOD 1's BMPs) (A ship will be in LOD2 in medium ranges, where texture details aren't gonna show anyways)
Level 3: Reduced # of polys (35-50% of original), with either the .BMPs from LOD#2 or a new set of even 'crappier' BMPs.
A ship will be in LOD3 in extreme ranges.. where ANY details aren't important.. or gonna show.)


Here's an example, using the stock Klingon fighter from Taldren:
LOD1: (336 faces)
 

LOD2: (336 faces)
 

LOD3: (150 faces)
 


The IDEA:
It increases the ammount of stuff to load in memory, but reduces the CPU load overall.


-- Luc
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on October 01, 2003, 07:20:49 pm
Thanks a bunch, FS.  That was very informative.  I'd seen the term thrown around before...just didn't quite understand what it meant.  Now I do!


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Dogmatix! on October 03, 2003, 12:12:15 pm
Just a bump as a reminder...


Did anyone post a link to those mini BoPs that could be used as fighters?  I know a picture of them was linked, but I didn't see anything else...


 
Title: Re: Klingon Fighters
Post by: Kaenyne on October 03, 2003, 02:08:03 pm
Yes, I was wondering about those mini BoPs myself. They would be a sweet replacement model for the stock Klingon fighters. I'd like to see them flying around the Romulan stock fighters. Speaking of the Romulan stock fighters, they are the best looking stock ship in the whole game, IMHO. Has anyone made a variant or high poly version of this fighter? The only other variation I've seen is at feralyards (very nice, BTW). I miss that guy...he's one of the best.