Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 24, 2003, 10:12:44 am
256 MegaBytes PC133 SDRAM(The first style of "DIMM" Ram) $60
256 MegaBytes PC2700 DDRRAM(Twice as fast as the SDRAM) $40
Isnt that crazy???
Tiger
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 24, 2003, 10:25:47 am
Post by: starwolf3500 on October 24, 2003, 11:56:26 am
Post by: CptCastrin on October 24, 2003, 11:56:35 am
Quote:
Best Buys Ad------------------
256 MegaBytes PC133 SDRAM(The first style of "DIMM" Ram) $60
256 MegaBytes PC2700 DDRRAM(Twice as fast as the SDRAM) $40
Isnt that crazy???
Tiger
Not really, understand that PC133 is now considered legacy memory. Most current MBs are DDR and with nVidia's nForce2 chipset where both channels of PC3200 (DDR400) memory are accually being used, you will see less and less of the old SDRAM modules.
Funny you should put this up as I was looking at the pricing just recently. We have several legacy MBs taht need more memory (or an upgrade) and the pricing that I got pretty much mirrored yours. Plus I'm trying to find some old K6-2 500mhz cpus for a project. There is a computer sale this weekend (you know the type) that I'll probably go to, to see if there is any thing useful there.
Ah, gota' love being an IT guy.
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on October 24, 2003, 12:35:09 pm
Post by: Captain KoraH on October 24, 2003, 12:45:50 pm
It's all a very interesting and unique part of the IT industry.
Post by: ActiveX on October 24, 2003, 01:33:20 pm
Post by: ActiveX on October 24, 2003, 01:40:05 pm
Post by: CptCastrin on October 24, 2003, 01:55:12 pm
Quote:
An interesting thing to note here is that this price situation does not seem to be the same for all PC components. Drives, for instance, don't get more expensive as they get old. ...
The key difference there is that HDDs are for the most part forward compatible. A 10gb HDD will work in any 586 based MB regardless of the configuration (AMD over Intel, etc.) and will probably continue to till SATA truely catches on. (as a side note my next build for my PC will be an all SATA set up
) Till then IDE drives et all will work in what ever system you put them in. So unlike market forces for memory, which are currently based on innovation which causes obselesence. I.e. DDR replaces RIMM and SDRAM (though RIMM was supposed to replace SDRAM but we all know that didn't really catch) and the next big thing will do the same to DDR. The HDD prices won't see the same effect till the same causes are in place. Give it about 2 years ... maybe less.
Post by: Praxis on October 24, 2003, 07:25:56 pm
Post by: APEXNETHOR on October 24, 2003, 08:25:25 pm
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 12:49:20 am
Quote:
The same can be said about current CPU prices as well. For istance an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400Mhz 200fsb CPU has an OEM price of $89.99 compared to an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333fsb with an OEM price of $81.00.
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster, P4 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB, Intel 875PBZ motherboard, two sticks of 512MB DDR400 RAM, Seagate 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, Sound Blaster Audigy LS, and a GeForce FX5200 as a temporary graphics card that will be replaced with a Raedon 9600 XT when they ship.
Post by: What's_in_a_name on October 25, 2003, 05:17:43 am
Quote:
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster...
You can use the 266MHz FSB Athlons in a system only running at 200MHz FSB; it will underclock the CPU to 75% of its rated speed. So if you wanted it to run at 1.4GHz, you'd have to get roughly a 1.85GHz CPU which would be about 80-90 bucks. My Athlon was doing this, running at only 200MHz FSB for about a month after I did a BIOS update. The update reset the FSB speed to its default and I didn't notice until I ran DXDIAG that it wasn't running at the higher speed.
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 05:52:27 am
Post by: Captain KoraH on October 25, 2003, 06:03:16 am
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 25, 2003, 02:13:55 pm
Tiger
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 03:20:08 pm
Quote:
Geez...what did I start here....14 posts about HARDWARE in one day????? Maybe I should post techie stuff more often!!!
Tiger
It's ALIVE!
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 25, 2003, 04:01:05 pm
Quote:Quote:
The same can be said about current CPU prices as well. For istance an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400Mhz 200fsb CPU has an OEM price of $89.99 compared to an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333fsb with an OEM price of $81.00.
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster, P4 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB, Intel 875PBZ motherboard, two sticks of 512MB DDR400 RAM, Seagate 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, Sound Blaster Audigy LS, and a GeForce FX5200 as a temporary graphics card that will be replaced with a Raedon 9600 XT when they ship.
To heck with Thunderbirds....An Athlon XP 1800+ is a beautiful buy for the price, espically with an ASUS/nForce motherboard. If you want to go all out, get an Athlon 64 FX_53...they kick the snot out of the P4's
Post by: FireSoul on October 25, 2003, 04:04:35 pm
Post by: Brad Bowermaster on October 25, 2003, 09:11:41 pm
Quote:
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU!
Check online forums' Classified sections. I picked one up over at AMDForums for $15. Alot of processors such as Durons, Thunderbirds, and low XPs go for $15-35 on forums. Depends how much the person needs to get rid of their extra parts stash
Post by: JMM on October 26, 2003, 06:53:35 pm
Post by: Pestalence on October 26, 2003, 08:45:47 pm
reason being when PC2700 came out, It had an error in it that caused internal memory leaks, so most people went back to PC2100 or PC 2500... now Manufacturers are trying to make PC2700 popular again since the flaw has been fixed.. thus for a short time t(3 to 6 months) he cost will be low, but as more systems come out with PC2700, the price will rise again and PC 2100 will be cheaper..
Post by: KBF-HangNail on October 26, 2003, 10:05:24 pm
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on January 06, 2004, 09:46:00 am
Post by: Pestalence on January 07, 2004, 04:08:54 am
here are my system sxpecs for my laptop
Toshiba Satellite 5205-s705
Pentium P-IV 2.4Ghz Mobile
1 Gig PC 2100 DDR Ram
750MHZ FBS Motherboard
Geforce FX go5600 w/ 64 MB DDR PC 2100 ram
Yahama AC-XG Dolby Digital 6.1 Surround, THX / SRS Certified
Harmon / Kardon Dolby Digital 6.1 speakers (2) with subwoofer (1) built in
15" Diagonal viewable 1600x1200 res monitor with Clear Advanced Super View UXGA Display
OS : Windows XP Pro Media Center Edition
TV Tuner Card
DVD / CD Burner (DVD Ram, Drive DVD -r/rw / cd -r/rw burning)
Media Center Remote Control w/ Cable Box Override interface
60 GB HDD @ 5200 RPM
Integrated 802.11b Wireless lan
I.Link (IEEE 1392) Port and SD slot
Canon BJC-85 mobile Color, Photo Capable Printer
Touchpad Mouse w/ scroll wheel
Several TV out / TV in... RCA Audio IN / OUT .. Conitor Out ports
v.92 56K modem
10/100 Ethernet lan card integrated..
3 HR battery pack
the nice thing about this machine is that the picture is clearer than any monitor or TV on the market today.. you can see this model's predicessor at Comp USA for sale @ $1400... the predicessor to this machine is the Satellite 5205-s119.. the difference is the OS (XP Home), TV Tuner (not installed), Remote Package (Media Center Components so not included with OS), slower CPU (2.0 GHZ)
the rest of the machine is the same.. however, they only come with 512 MB PC 2100 DDR Ram.. I upgraded mine to 1 GIg...
It works flawlessly with all games with exception to Edios games.. they do not support Laptop Keyboards, and as such, their games don't work correctly... but no problems with SFC (I, II: EAW, II: OP, III: TNG), Freespace, RTCW-GOTY, Max Payne 1 & 2, Siberia, NWN with both expansions, Armada 1 @ 2, Klingon Honor Guard, EF 1 and II, The Hulk, Spiderman, Wolverine's Revenge, FA-18, Tron 2.0, Mistmare, Splinter Cell, and many Many Console emmulator ROMs...
this is my primary system since i am on the road a lot.. I paid $2550 (Tax inclusive) for it the day it went on the market (shelf cost was $2850 + Tax but got business discount at Comp USA).
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 24, 2003, 10:12:44 am
256 MegaBytes PC133 SDRAM(The first style of "DIMM" Ram) $60
256 MegaBytes PC2700 DDRRAM(Twice as fast as the SDRAM) $40
Isnt that crazy???
Tiger
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 24, 2003, 10:25:47 am
Post by: starwolf3500 on October 24, 2003, 11:56:26 am
Post by: CptCastrin on October 24, 2003, 11:56:35 am
Quote:
Best Buys Ad------------------
256 MegaBytes PC133 SDRAM(The first style of "DIMM" Ram) $60
256 MegaBytes PC2700 DDRRAM(Twice as fast as the SDRAM) $40
Isnt that crazy???
Tiger
Not really, understand that PC133 is now considered legacy memory. Most current MBs are DDR and with nVidia's nForce2 chipset where both channels of PC3200 (DDR400) memory are accually being used, you will see less and less of the old SDRAM modules.
Funny you should put this up as I was looking at the pricing just recently. We have several legacy MBs taht need more memory (or an upgrade) and the pricing that I got pretty much mirrored yours. Plus I'm trying to find some old K6-2 500mhz cpus for a project. There is a computer sale this weekend (you know the type) that I'll probably go to, to see if there is any thing useful there.
Ah, gota' love being an IT guy.
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on October 24, 2003, 12:35:09 pm
Post by: Captain KoraH on October 24, 2003, 12:45:50 pm
It's all a very interesting and unique part of the IT industry.
Post by: ActiveX on October 24, 2003, 01:33:20 pm
Post by: ActiveX on October 24, 2003, 01:40:05 pm
Post by: CptCastrin on October 24, 2003, 01:55:12 pm
Quote:
An interesting thing to note here is that this price situation does not seem to be the same for all PC components. Drives, for instance, don't get more expensive as they get old. ...
The key difference there is that HDDs are for the most part forward compatible. A 10gb HDD will work in any 586 based MB regardless of the configuration (AMD over Intel, etc.) and will probably continue to till SATA truely catches on. (as a side note my next build for my PC will be an all SATA set up
) Till then IDE drives et all will work in what ever system you put them in. So unlike market forces for memory, which are currently based on innovation which causes obselesence. I.e. DDR replaces RIMM and SDRAM (though RIMM was supposed to replace SDRAM but we all know that didn't really catch) and the next big thing will do the same to DDR. The HDD prices won't see the same effect till the same causes are in place. Give it about 2 years ... maybe less.
Post by: Praxis on October 24, 2003, 07:25:56 pm
Post by: APEXNETHOR on October 24, 2003, 08:25:25 pm
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 12:49:20 am
Quote:
The same can be said about current CPU prices as well. For istance an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400Mhz 200fsb CPU has an OEM price of $89.99 compared to an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333fsb with an OEM price of $81.00.
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster, P4 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB, Intel 875PBZ motherboard, two sticks of 512MB DDR400 RAM, Seagate 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, Sound Blaster Audigy LS, and a GeForce FX5200 as a temporary graphics card that will be replaced with a Raedon 9600 XT when they ship.
Post by: What's_in_a_name on October 25, 2003, 05:17:43 am
Quote:
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster...
You can use the 266MHz FSB Athlons in a system only running at 200MHz FSB; it will underclock the CPU to 75% of its rated speed. So if you wanted it to run at 1.4GHz, you'd have to get roughly a 1.85GHz CPU which would be about 80-90 bucks. My Athlon was doing this, running at only 200MHz FSB for about a month after I did a BIOS update. The update reset the FSB speed to its default and I didn't notice until I ran DXDIAG that it wasn't running at the higher speed.
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 05:52:27 am
Post by: Captain KoraH on October 25, 2003, 06:03:16 am
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 25, 2003, 02:13:55 pm
Tiger
Post by: TB613 on October 25, 2003, 03:20:08 pm
Quote:
Geez...what did I start here....14 posts about HARDWARE in one day????? Maybe I should post techie stuff more often!!!
Tiger
It's ALIVE!
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on October 25, 2003, 04:01:05 pm
Quote:Quote:
The same can be said about current CPU prices as well. For istance an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1400Mhz 200fsb CPU has an OEM price of $89.99 compared to an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333fsb with an OEM price of $81.00.
Yep it's a bit wierd but somebody must want those chips bad enough to pay that much for them just like memory dimms.
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU! Since the motherboaed in that computer cannot take the 266FSB CPUs I gave up and built a brand new monster, P4 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB, Intel 875PBZ motherboard, two sticks of 512MB DDR400 RAM, Seagate 80GB Serial ATA hard drive, Sound Blaster Audigy LS, and a GeForce FX5200 as a temporary graphics card that will be replaced with a Raedon 9600 XT when they ship.
To heck with Thunderbirds....An Athlon XP 1800+ is a beautiful buy for the price, espically with an ASUS/nForce motherboard. If you want to go all out, get an Athlon 64 FX_53...they kick the snot out of the P4's
Post by: FireSoul on October 25, 2003, 04:04:35 pm
Post by: Brad Bowermaster on October 25, 2003, 09:11:41 pm
Quote:
That 1400MHz 200FSB CPU is almost imposible to find. I was considering picking one up to do a cheap upgrade to my 1000MHz machine and gave up when I was seeing eBay bids exceeding $100.00 for a used CPU!
Check online forums' Classified sections. I picked one up over at AMDForums for $15. Alot of processors such as Durons, Thunderbirds, and low XPs go for $15-35 on forums. Depends how much the person needs to get rid of their extra parts stash
Post by: JMM on October 26, 2003, 06:53:35 pm
Post by: Pestalence on October 26, 2003, 08:45:47 pm
reason being when PC2700 came out, It had an error in it that caused internal memory leaks, so most people went back to PC2100 or PC 2500... now Manufacturers are trying to make PC2700 popular again since the flaw has been fixed.. thus for a short time t(3 to 6 months) he cost will be low, but as more systems come out with PC2700, the price will rise again and PC 2100 will be cheaper..
Post by: KBF-HangNail on October 26, 2003, 10:05:24 pm
Post by: CFA_Admiral_Tige on January 06, 2004, 09:46:00 am
Post by: Pestalence on January 07, 2004, 04:08:54 am
here are my system sxpecs for my laptop
Toshiba Satellite 5205-s705
Pentium P-IV 2.4Ghz Mobile
1 Gig PC 2100 DDR Ram
750MHZ FBS Motherboard
Geforce FX go5600 w/ 64 MB DDR PC 2100 ram
Yahama AC-XG Dolby Digital 6.1 Surround, THX / SRS Certified
Harmon / Kardon Dolby Digital 6.1 speakers (2) with subwoofer (1) built in
15" Diagonal viewable 1600x1200 res monitor with Clear Advanced Super View UXGA Display
OS : Windows XP Pro Media Center Edition
TV Tuner Card
DVD / CD Burner (DVD Ram, Drive DVD -r/rw / cd -r/rw burning)
Media Center Remote Control w/ Cable Box Override interface
60 GB HDD @ 5200 RPM
Integrated 802.11b Wireless lan
I.Link (IEEE 1392) Port and SD slot
Canon BJC-85 mobile Color, Photo Capable Printer
Touchpad Mouse w/ scroll wheel
Several TV out / TV in... RCA Audio IN / OUT .. Conitor Out ports
v.92 56K modem
10/100 Ethernet lan card integrated..
3 HR battery pack
the nice thing about this machine is that the picture is clearer than any monitor or TV on the market today.. you can see this model's predicessor at Comp USA for sale @ $1400... the predicessor to this machine is the Satellite 5205-s119.. the difference is the OS (XP Home), TV Tuner (not installed), Remote Package (Media Center Components so not included with OS), slower CPU (2.0 GHZ)
the rest of the machine is the same.. however, they only come with 512 MB PC 2100 DDR Ram.. I upgraded mine to 1 GIg...
It works flawlessly with all games with exception to Edios games.. they do not support Laptop Keyboards, and as such, their games don't work correctly... but no problems with SFC (I, II: EAW, II: OP, III: TNG), Freespace, RTCW-GOTY, Max Payne 1 & 2, Siberia, NWN with both expansions, Armada 1 @ 2, Klingon Honor Guard, EF 1 and II, The Hulk, Spiderman, Wolverine's Revenge, FA-18, Tron 2.0, Mistmare, Splinter Cell, and many Many Console emmulator ROMs...
this is my primary system since i am on the road a lot.. I paid $2550 (Tax inclusive) for it the day it went on the market (shelf cost was $2850 + Tax but got business discount at Comp USA).