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Title: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 24, 2003, 11:59:44 am












































Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: I_Mudd on October 24, 2003, 12:14:38 pm
Nice. I particularly like the one with the red planet. Seems like there were a lot of red colored Class-M planets in TOS...

I'm still expiramenting with rendering settings, any tips?

I_Mudd.
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 24, 2003, 12:16:55 pm
Yes.......in max, experiment with using the omni-light at key positions that you think light should be coming from, or put them in areas where you think you need some illumination. Adjust the brightness and the color of the light as needed. You might want to do some spotlights as well.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: I_Mudd on October 24, 2003, 12:19:42 pm
Cool. Thanks, Atra. I'll keep that mind come renderin' time.

I_Mudd.
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Anthony_Scott on October 24, 2003, 12:33:03 pm
Nice pictures...do you mind if I resize them in photoshop for my desktop?

Purty please?

Semper Fi, Carry On
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 24, 2003, 03:14:30 pm
Quote:

Nice pictures...do you mind if I resize them in photoshop for my desktop?

Purty please?

Semper Fi, Carry On  




Of course you may, I would be very honored.
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: NannerSlug on October 24, 2003, 03:21:53 pm
simply beatiful!
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: ActiveX on October 24, 2003, 04:08:28 pm
Very kewl...
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 24, 2003, 05:55:26 pm
At first look con4.jpg could have passed for a screen shot from the original series. As could a few others. Cool stuff Atra.

I'm really happy that you are hanging around in our little corner of the world again and having fun with it.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: sandman69247 on October 25, 2003, 01:27:45 am
Man, Atra, all it takes to know one of the gurus has returned in top form is to see those pics. And thanx for the rendering advice...I've done some experimenting, but nothing to compare to what you have done. AWESOME WORK!!

 
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 25, 2003, 02:22:53 am
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At first look con4.jpg could have passed for a screen shot from the original series.




Hhehhhe I know. In fact, all of the BonHomme shots were going for actual angles used in the original series.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: E_Look on October 25, 2003, 12:16:25 pm
Stunning!  Absolutely stunning!

In fact, all of them just might pass as still from TV TOS except that their designs were either "noncanon" or "later canon".  Too bad you didn't design a ship with a big cannon!
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 25, 2003, 12:19:25 pm
In order to pass for a TV shot, I'd actually have to degrade the pics and make them more grainy.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 25, 2003, 05:16:50 pm
Have to say you managed it well. I made the association immediately with the one pic and then the others started to look like out takes to me. Guess you succeeded marvelously.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: E_Look on October 25, 2003, 08:58:27 pm
ha ha ha.

Well, I do remember what it was like.  But the VERY FIRST time I ever watched Trek, oh, boy did Kirk's old ship look sharp!  It wasn't grainy on an old Zenith black and white console TV!

Did you ever get around to animating Tholians spinning their force field web around (the Spock in temporary command) Enterprise?  Now that'll send a shiver down many a spine of us old folks!
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: olbuzzard on October 26, 2003, 10:46:38 pm
You've done this before  !!  havent ya !!  WOW  ..  brings back memories of the first couple of seasons when Trek was origonally released.  Ah yes  ..  the good ol days !!
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Anthony_Scott on October 27, 2003, 10:44:06 am
Okay...I have resized them for 1024x768 and with ongoing permission will happily resize them for others using photoshop for anyone who asks.

With permission naturally...
Semper Fi, Carry On.
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: wanderer on October 27, 2003, 11:19:27 am
For those currently using the OP+ 3.1 Shiplist and Mod;

In the opplus/model folder you will find the fcv.  This model folder represents the CVD and CVDR in the shiplist.

What's this got to do with Atra's pictures you ask? Well, I am using Atra's Coronado Carrier for the opplus fcv model, and here's why...

From SFB Module J2:
9R2.97) INTERDICTION CARRIER (CVD): As the General War went on and the carrier tactis evolved, there were two schools of thought.  One school thought that carriers should fight as line warships with cruiser-type weapons (leading to the CVS) while another school held that carriers should stay out of direct combat (although be in the battle arena) aand operate their fighters as their primary weapons.  Interdiction carriers were one result of this school, and the Federation was one of the first to adopt the idea.  The CVD was built on a CVS hull, but rearranged the saucer section to eliminate the photons and some other systems and make room for a second fighter bay with a complete second squadron of fighters.  These were F-18's as the ship lacked the power to reload A-10's.  Names: Nile, Brazos, Volga, and Yangtze.

If you look at Atra's Coronado, it has a raised deckhouse on the rear part of the primary saucer section.  Fits the bill for me. Just thought I would share.  

 Btw, great pics, Atra.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 28, 2003, 07:26:00 am
You know, recently I've been playing the campaigns, and I realized that my heavy cruisers and detsroyers get a lot of use, sometimes more than 3 of them on the screen at once.........in whcih case it tends to slow my comp down. What I've been doing this week is designing LOD models for those ships, and first trials look promising......one of my heavy cruisers can be over 5000 poly, but the lesser-resolution LOD model is only about 400 or so, and I have noticed quite an improvement in comp performance. You might want to wait for me to get these LOD's ready if you plan to stick them in a mod.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 28, 2003, 04:34:22 pm
That would be a highly welcome feature to your key models. And an under-rated feature. I get a big kick out of playing some of Nuclear Wessels scripts for campaign play and the number of models involved can get to be a load on the video bandwidth. If you could accomplish that it would make certain scenarios play much more smoothly.

Since we are  on the subject of perfecting some of your creations I want to bring up cloak testing your Romulan models. Perhaps it is just my set up but some of the Romulan models I really enjoy playing of yours sometimes don't cloak quite right. If I remember, the N'Neikha goes white immediately upon engaging the cloak. I know this used to a standard check at one time but seems to have been forgotten about... You have to understand that sometimes I'm more sentimental (or perhaps I'm just mental  ) about some of your models than you are. And I think I noticed that the damage textures were a little sub-par for one of the all time great SFC models. Am I complaining?... by no means... the only reason I bring it up is some of those models are too good not to point the nit-picky stuff out. And the N'Neikha was one of them.

I have to say I'm really jazzed about the state of SFC right now. With the models that have been archived from the past and the new little jewels that are being created at present we are closer to the best SFC that we have ever had. Especialy when you consider what OP+ refit and Nuclear Wessels scripts have given us. That and Klingon Fanatic seems about ready to release his FASA archive. IMHO I think it is better now than it has ever been before.      
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Desty_Nova on October 28, 2003, 05:03:07 pm
This may sound n00b, but what are these "Nuclear Wessels" scripts of which you speak?
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 28, 2003, 06:21:44 pm
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This may sound n00b, but what are these "Nuclear Wessels" scripts of which you speak?  




http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=198913&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Go there... read the thread... download the scripts and play them. Things have gotten to be a bit more fun. Nuclear Wessels has been working on additional scenarios that can be played in campaign mode or even on line. Not difficult to understand and very fun to play. Playable missions has doubled to around 110 or so when mixed in with the original scripts. Highly recommended! Go directly for the mega-pack... do not pass go... do not collect $200.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Desty_Nova on October 28, 2003, 06:59:14 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 29, 2003, 02:33:25 am
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That would be a highly welcome feature to your key models. And an under-rated feature. I get a big kick out of playing some of Nuclear Wessels scripts for campaign play and the number of models involved can get to be a load on the video bandwidth. If you could accomplish that it would make certain scenarios play much more smoothly.

Since we are  on the subject of perfecting some of your creations I want to bring up cloak testing your Romulan models. Perhaps it is just my set up but some of the Romulan models I really enjoy playing of yours sometimes don't cloak quite right. If I remember, the N'Neikha goes white immediately upon engaging the cloak. I know this used to a standard check at one time but seems to have been forgotten about... You have to understand that sometimes I'm more sentimental (or perhaps I'm just mental  ) about some of your models than you are. And I think I noticed that the damage textures were a little sub-par for one of the all time great SFC models. Am I complaining?... by no means... the only reason I bring it up is some of those models are too good not to point the nit-picky stuff out. And the N'Neikha was one of them.

I have to say I'm really jazzed about the state of SFC right now. With the models that have been archived from the past and the new little jewels that are being created at present we are closer to the best SFC that we have ever had. Especialy when you consider what OP+ refit and Nuclear Wessels scripts have given us. That and Klingon Fanatic seems about ready to release his FASA archive. IMHO I think it is better now than it has ever been before.      




Hmmm the damage textures are not a part of a model, they are given to the model by the game. The turning white at cloaking issue could be a video card question.....I don't recall having that problem myself. There are a number of issues involving video card setups.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: StClair on October 29, 2003, 04:43:59 am
Extra bonus points for that "The Corbomite Maneuver" title screen.  It looks so real.

No one does TOS ships like you, Atra.  Beautiful, simply beautiful.  (Agh, now I have to decide which to use - these, or Lord_Schtupp's...)
 
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 29, 2003, 05:36:53 am
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Hmmm the damage textures are not a part of a model, they are given to the model by the game. The turning white at cloaking issue could be a video card question.....I don't recall having that problem myself. There are a number of issues involving video card setups.  




Really? Of course I tend to think you know this. What is the purpose of damage texture maps that are included with so many models? The break models? Ah... maybe that's it. Perrhap that is what I remembered. If that is so then I am as likely to have shrunk those myself... Rosann Rosanna Danna says, "Never mind."  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on October 29, 2003, 11:04:10 am
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Extra bonus points for that "The Corbomite Maneuver" title screen.  It looks so real.

No one does TOS ships like you, Atra.  Beautiful, simply beautiful.  (Agh, now I have to decide which to use - these, or Lord_Schtupp's...)
 




Why not use both? There are a lot of Heavy Cruiser slots in the shiplist that need to be filled.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Lord Schtupp on October 31, 2003, 04:01:48 pm
Just wanted to say awesome work Atra, nice to see your site back up too...

As far as model usage goes, you would probably find Atras models a little more game friendly as they generally have fewer polys....

Gave this thread a well deserved 5 star for what its worth
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on October 31, 2003, 04:53:36 pm
Hey... It be Lord Schtupp. Ya have to love big A's starships. And with the new LOD features it will make for some fun fleet combat.

Please forgive me but I have been meaning to ask you, when the opportunity presented itself, about that Akula you were colaberating with DTW on. Will that ever see the light of day or should that be forgotten about?  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on November 01, 2003, 05:12:21 am
Lord Shtupp's ships are different enough from mine in imaginative detail that you can easily use them as special variants.....like the shuttle bay on his Ptolemy....stroke of genius. I also of course haven't made a DN yet, and don't really plan to in the near future because I have enough Heavy Cruiser projects to last me for a while.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on November 01, 2003, 07:25:38 am
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Lord Shtupp's ships are different enough from mine in imaginative detail that you can easily use them as special variants.....like the shuttle bay on his Ptolemy....stroke of genius. I also of course haven't made a DN yet, and don't really plan to in the near future because I have enough Heavy Cruiser projects to last me for a while.  




You are so right. The shuttle bay was brilliant as is some of the interesting structure options on the destroyers. Although I have to say I was really happy when you released the Keppler. The Federation so needed a refit model for their refit specs.

Take your time with your model agenda. This has to be a labor of love and we don't want to see you burn out and go away again. Better a few beutifuly crafted models and you having fun with SFC than many times that number with no Atrahasis. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on November 03, 2003, 06:22:12 am
That wasn't why I stopped......it was because of trolls. Happily they're gone now.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on November 03, 2003, 07:04:22 am
That's understandable. I'm sure it got to be pretty discouraging. That's why a lot of us ought to think twice before they post something that could be a petty quip. I like it the way it is right now. By and large people are trying to be encouraging and the level of civility has been pretty good. Glad you feel good enough about the state of things to offer your models up again. To be sure I use the almost every one of them. With the new pooter and 19" monitor SFC has never looked so good. Some of that has to do with your work.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Atrahasis on November 03, 2003, 07:08:23 am
Thanks. You might like some of my wallpapers I made recently too.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Lord Schtupp on November 03, 2003, 02:13:10 pm
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Please forgive me but I have been meaning to ask you, when the opportunity presented itself, about that Akula you were colaberating with DTW on. Will that ever see the light of day or should that be forgotten about?  




Yes , I had to quit for while due to life/medical reasons but I will try to pick up my unfinished projects as health allows. Thanks to all for the kind words and emails.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Rogue on November 03, 2003, 03:32:27 pm
Atrahasis, I saw those and recorded them for use as wallpaper. They are really good and sometimes you have to change your desk top for the sake of variety.

Lord Schtupp, I'm sorry but I was unaware that you were in poor health. Of course your health comes first. Do the Akula if you are up to it as it would be a first rate addition to your other offerings. Don't concern yourself with it otherwiise. I am really happy with what I already use of yours. Please check in with us from time to time as life permits.  
Title: Re: New pics of my heavy cruisers, by me
Post by: Desty_Nova on November 03, 2003, 04:03:21 pm
Lord Schtupp,

I don't know if you've seen any of my TOS/SFB models yet, but I wanted to tell you that your work was the major inspiration for how my Feds look, and seeing your USS Star League and Saladin class variants is what really made me wanna make my own mod and finally do it. So I just wanted say thanks.