Post by: Atrahasis on March 28, 2004, 12:35:23 pm
Yes, it IS another quickie, but one that had to be done. The original Tholian Web Spinner is just plain boring to look at, but once you try to add some crystalline and glowie features to it as the original FX guys in the 1960's may have wanted to do, it becomes quite exotic and something you would probably look forward to encountering in your game. If enough people like this style I may build the rest of the Tholian fleet using this style, rather than the steel / titanium style I used on my first spinner. I'm still finalizing this one, it'll be ready for DL after a day or two. In the meantime let's get a poll going here:
Post by: jimkirk on March 28, 2004, 01:06:54 pm
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on March 28, 2004, 01:17:07 pm
Having said that, I prefer the Klingon Academy Tholians myself.
However, this looks like a good way to make the leap from TOS/SFB to KA style Tholians.
Please consider making a Tholian BATS, shipyard and/ or Base station too.
Kudos to you Atra!
KF
Post by: SovereignEmpire on March 28, 2004, 02:55:12 pm
. I wouldnt mind having these ships in SFC, keep makin them 
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Post by: Magnum357 on March 28, 2004, 04:59:18 pm
Its possible that the Tholians that cam too the Milkyway had too find alternate substances if they wanted too build more PC's and other ships.
Post by: Mariner on March 28, 2004, 05:25:39 pm
But, I do think that the idea of "upgrading" the Tholian look is worthy of multiple attempts. If I were you, I'd actually try a variation on the "Amethyst" class from KA, except making it have three planes of symmetry rather than two and a half. I think that the "non-horizontal" orientation is a key Tholian trait, and one that should be present in all their designs.
BTW: anyone got a pic of the Amethyst so that we're all on the same page?
Post by: Reverend on March 28, 2004, 05:46:59 pm
Would you consider doing TNG era Tholians, if they existed?
Canon is fine, but hypothetical is more interesting... there are enough canon models out there really, IMHO.
Post by: E_Look on March 28, 2004, 06:10:26 pm
Purple, blue, green, orange with pink polka dots... as long as the final effect comes out nicely!
Post by: Atrahasis on March 28, 2004, 11:28:57 pm
The Tholians in "Enterprise" had something like a blackened steel hull.....also another avenue to explore.
Post by: Marauth on March 29, 2004, 12:17:19 am
Even if you adopt this as the Neo-Tholian style then the Archeo-Tholians should still be in the old style to show that they had the crappy tech being civilians and all.
Post by: Atrahasis on March 29, 2004, 01:57:06 am
Post by: Rod O'neal on March 29, 2004, 05:22:25 am
I'd like to see the Thol designs updated a bit. Get them out of the 60's and into the 21st century, design wise. Add more shape to the dorsal part of the hull. Keep the profile of the ship the same but widen/flare/curve or something, the dorsal section in the fore or aft view. Maybe keep the wings crossection flat though, if that makes sense to you. HERE is a pic of the R4 cover with a Tholian CW. It's an old (and worn) cover, but you can see how they styled the dorsal a bit. Just to try and show what I'm talking about. They even have visual weapons HP's, which isn't normal for most Tholian designs that I've seen. Cannon Tholian ships just lack detail to me. I like the added texture detailing that you've added to yours as well. I'd love to see a whole fleet of Atrahasis Tholians. I hope you do it.
Post by: starforce2 on March 29, 2004, 05:39:28 am
Post by: Fury_of_a_Seraph on March 29, 2004, 06:12:50 am
Post by: ChrisJohnson on March 29, 2004, 07:41:49 am
I like the design Atrahasis, I say go for it! But there is a need for some recoloring. Even though it's kinda cool, at the same time it just doesen't look right. I can't explain it. Mabye it's too 60s-ish or something. It needs a little modern look. Mabye a blue-ish or neon-purple color while keeping a crystal feel to the hull.
One of my favorite non-canon designs was KA's Amethest-class Tholian BCs, I like it's design. I also love Brezgonne's "TNG-ish" Tholians too. They just need to venture away a bit from the standard Tholian look from the copper hull, they'd be a bit more interesting then.
BTW, since I'm getting back into the SFC2/SFC: OP gaming, I do have one question: What patches do what? I see more and more newer SFC models are included in the patch, such as Andromedan ships. Anything else happening?
Post by: ganymad on March 29, 2004, 07:47:08 am
i think a very very darkblue hull with yellow engines would look best.maybe make the blue hull look like it was made of metall but with a dark not glowing but slightly brighter cristaline plating.some more details would be cool. maybe some indications of the weapons in the nose of the ship.
btw: breezegones models had the tholian insignia on the lightmap textures so they were only visble when the ship was in shadow. was a cool effect that might look cool on your ship too.i think it would look best if it shines slightly through the crystaline hullplating.
just my 2cents
greatings,
ed
Post by: Atrahasis on March 29, 2004, 09:19:56 am
Post by: TheStressPuppy on March 29, 2004, 12:30:50 pm
I also find it interesting that the only 2 canon tholian ships we see are just a variation of a similar design (both titanium hulled). Since when did tholians become evil bad guys? I thought they were just zenophobic isolationist
You should consider doing 3 varients. The original, a "Phase 2" varient which is a mix of metal, and crystalline showing the transition of technology, and a full blown crystalline TMP, and beyond version....in Blue of course
Anyways some nice work your doing there Atra
Post by: jimkirk on March 30, 2004, 01:42:44 am
Post by: Marauth on March 30, 2004, 05:33:31 am
LOL
BTW I another suggestion for the TMP/crystalline Tholians would be to use the colours from the KA Tholian CA, looks like a spinner but bigger with reinforced plates on the three prongs and pointy bits at the rear. the crystal hull was medium blue while the armour is a dark grey like some really heavy looking rock formation on the hull.
Post by: Fury_of_a_Seraph on March 30, 2004, 06:04:51 am
Know the tholians in ENT - thats how i have always imagined the Tholians in TOS.
Post by: ChrisJohnson on March 30, 2004, 06:38:11 am
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