Post by: Komodo on April 10, 2004, 06:37:01 pm
Example: F-BCE: YFA 20
Obviously it's a late era ship, but I want to know each era's start date. Help please!!
Many thanks!
Post by: Age on April 10, 2004, 06:49:19 pm
Post by: Pestalence on April 10, 2004, 07:43:42 pm
if you go into your C drive you can go to the game folder following this path and open the Time.gf file in notepad
C:\Program Files\Taldren Software Inc\Starfleet Command Orion Pirates\MetaAssets\ServerProfiles\SinglePlayer\Time.gf
when you open this file you will find :
[Clock/StartingDate]
BaseYear = 2263
0 = 0
1 = 10
2 = 20
3 = 40
now what this means is the following :
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
now these years do not correspond with missle release dates as missle release dates are hardcoded, but i will post back later about those...
now as far as ships first available..
you can get the utility Shipedit OP : located here :
http://www.sfcx.org/downloads/mirrors/Pestalence/Shipedit.exe
you will have to go into
C:\Program Files\EagleEye Software Group\ShipEdit
and find Shipedit OP.exe and make a shortcut on your desktop to it..
then you can open it and point to the shiplist.txt located in
C:\Program Files\Taldren Software Inc\Starfleet Command Orion Pirates\Assets\Specs
you can look at the Year Available box...
it will list First and Last years abvailable..
if the year first available is negative.. such as -27.. then that is 2263 - 27 = 2236 which is early era.. Year last available is the last year the server or game will produce the ship ...
now in the Time.gf file you can control how many years between eras such as is you want Early era to end 15 game years after start (if starting in early era) then you change
1= 15
this will denote to the game to start mid era in 2278 instead of 2273
in Shipedit OP, you can adjust year First Available for ships and Year last available for ships to suit your needs
also, when installing Shipedit OP.. it will have to install Shipedit which was designed for SFC 2EAW and SFC 1... It is not recommended to edit ships for OP in Shipedit.. just Shipedit OP.. however you can load the shiplist in Shipedit so that you can use the Boxed to describe the settings allowable for the game since Shipedit OP does not have the box descriptions.. as such, when it installs, shipedit shortcut will be installed to your desktop automatically.. Shipedit Op will install after Shipedit finishes and then you will have to create a shortcut on your desktop.. that is if you get it now.. if you wait until tomorrow.. I will have an updated installer which will create both shortcuts for you...
I hope that this helps.
Post by: Komodo on April 10, 2004, 11:35:19 pm
Sounds like I need to explain myself further. I'm working on a reference file using the numbers directly, to determine which ships are in which era as played on GSA or IP games. The YFA range would determine the era's from Early to Advanced, but I need the specific number which tells when each era starts.
This:
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
on another hand, this is helpful to me in a general manner.
OK- I think I see how it works. I had a look at the years in the ship descriptions:
anything 2263 and under is Early, (2263 being the base number)
2264-2273 is Mid, (YFA +1 to +20)
2274-2293 is Late, (which rather confused me, referring to above) (YFA +11 to +30)
and 2294+ is Advanced (YFA +31 and up)
Yeah, this looks right...am I correct?
Post by: Pestalence on April 10, 2004, 11:46:41 pm
ships 2273-2282 is mid
ships 2283 to 2302 is late
ship 2303 and on is advanced
as determined by single player campaign defaults...
Post by: Corbomite on April 11, 2004, 12:03:24 am
Early Era = all ships 2263 or earlier
Mid Era = all ships 2264 - 2270
Late Era = all ships 2271 - 2299
Advanced Era = all ships 2300 and up.
NOTE: If using the OP+ shiplist, there are some 1st Generation X-Ships available in Late Era starting at 2293.
Post by: FireSoul on April 11, 2004, 12:14:19 am
Quote:
Pest, he's asking about GSA not D2. The eras on GSA are different than the D2. On GSA -
Early Era = all ships 2263 or earlier
Mid Era = all ships 2264 - 2270
Late Era = all ships 2271 - 2299
Advanced Era = all ships 2300 and up.
NOTE: If using the OP+ shiplist, there are some 1st Generation X-Ships available in Late Era starting at 2293.
This is true for the latest OP patch. Previous patches had Advanced Era actually start in 2292 or some such date, no matter what the campaigns were set to. The X1 ships would appear in advanced.
-- Luc
Post by: FireSoul on April 11, 2004, 12:22:15 am
Quote:
[Clock/StartingDate]
BaseYear = 2263
0 = 0
1 = 10
2 = 20
3 = 40
now what this means is the following :
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
Don't use those files' settings to determine the dates for the eras. That's just the dates you want your era-choice campaign to start at.
Here's a little something that might help you all:
Code:
enum
{
kEBegin=-999,
kEEnd=0, // Z-DDV (YFA=0) is in early
kMBegin=1, // fighter Z-Mastiff.II (YFA=1) is in mid
kMEnd=7, // F-NCL (YFA=7) is in mid for start
kLBegin=8, // F-NCD (YFA=8) is in late for start.
kX1Begin=27, // To help find X1 ships.
kLEnd=36, // NOTE!!! It was discovered that OP's advanced era was starting at 2290 BEFORE 2.5.5.0. Now it's back to 2300.
kX1End=36,
kABegin=37, // (F-XFF YFA=37)
kAEnd=999,
};
So.. where "0" is 2263..
- Early goes up to 2263 (Y163)
- Mid is from 2264 (Y164) to 2270 (Y170). Just 7 years, inclusive.
- Late starts in 2271 (Y171) and goes to 2299 (Y199), as of patch 2550. previous to that patch it was 2271 to 2290. It is around 29 years, inclusive.
- Advanced starts in 2300 (Y200) and goes on from there.
-- Luc
Post by: Komodo on April 11, 2004, 09:25:58 pm
Where "0" is 2263
Early goes up to 2263 (SFB Y163) (YFA -x to 0)
Mid is from 2264 (SFB Y164) to 2270 (SFB Y170) (YFA 1 to 7)
Late starts in 2271 (SFB Y171) and goes to 2299 (SFB Y199) (YFA 8 to 36)
Advanced starts in 2300 (SFB Y200) and goes on from there (YFA 37+)
Thanks so much guys!
Post by: DonKarnage on April 14, 2004, 07:49:58 am
Post by: Komodo on April 15, 2004, 11:48:29 am
A YLA sets the parameters in D2 (fairly certain, anyways...) as a cutoff date for ship production- after that date, it no longer becomes available. It's a good way to open the shipyard to produce desired ships once a new era is entered.
Fed CAR: -3 to 4
Produced from late in the early era until the middle of the mid era for a total of 8 years.
Post by: DonKarnage on April 15, 2004, 02:56:16 pm
Post by: Maxillius on April 15, 2004, 08:57:26 pm
Quote:
Early goes up to 2263 (SFB Y163) (YFA -x to 0)
Mid is from 2264 (SFB Y164) to 2270 (SFB Y170) (YFA 1 to 7)
Late starts in 2271 (SFB Y171) and goes to 2299 (SFB Y199) (YFA 8 to 36)
Advanced starts in 2300 (SFB Y200) and goes on from there (YFA 37-57)
So, if you're doing an all-inclusive mod, you could make the Lost Era = 2320 (SFB Y220) (YFA 57-97)
then TNG 2360 (SFB Y260) (YFA 97+)
and if you're going before Early, then ENT/Birth of Federation era would be SFB Y50 (YFA -118 - -20)
check my math though
Post by: Komodo on April 10, 2004, 06:37:01 pm
Example: F-BCE: YFA 20
Obviously it's a late era ship, but I want to know each era's start date. Help please!!
Many thanks!
Post by: Age on April 10, 2004, 06:49:19 pm
Post by: Pestalence on April 10, 2004, 07:43:42 pm
if you go into your C drive you can go to the game folder following this path and open the Time.gf file in notepad
C:\Program Files\Taldren Software Inc\Starfleet Command Orion Pirates\MetaAssets\ServerProfiles\SinglePlayer\Time.gf
when you open this file you will find :
[Clock/StartingDate]
BaseYear = 2263
0 = 0
1 = 10
2 = 20
3 = 40
now what this means is the following :
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
now these years do not correspond with missle release dates as missle release dates are hardcoded, but i will post back later about those...
now as far as ships first available..
you can get the utility Shipedit OP : located here :
http://www.sfcx.org/downloads/mirrors/Pestalence/Shipedit.exe
you will have to go into
C:\Program Files\EagleEye Software Group\ShipEdit
and find Shipedit OP.exe and make a shortcut on your desktop to it..
then you can open it and point to the shiplist.txt located in
C:\Program Files\Taldren Software Inc\Starfleet Command Orion Pirates\Assets\Specs
you can look at the Year Available box...
it will list First and Last years abvailable..
if the year first available is negative.. such as -27.. then that is 2263 - 27 = 2236 which is early era.. Year last available is the last year the server or game will produce the ship ...
now in the Time.gf file you can control how many years between eras such as is you want Early era to end 15 game years after start (if starting in early era) then you change
1= 15
this will denote to the game to start mid era in 2278 instead of 2273
in Shipedit OP, you can adjust year First Available for ships and Year last available for ships to suit your needs
also, when installing Shipedit OP.. it will have to install Shipedit which was designed for SFC 2EAW and SFC 1... It is not recommended to edit ships for OP in Shipedit.. just Shipedit OP.. however you can load the shiplist in Shipedit so that you can use the Boxed to describe the settings allowable for the game since Shipedit OP does not have the box descriptions.. as such, when it installs, shipedit shortcut will be installed to your desktop automatically.. Shipedit Op will install after Shipedit finishes and then you will have to create a shortcut on your desktop.. that is if you get it now.. if you wait until tomorrow.. I will have an updated installer which will create both shortcuts for you...
I hope that this helps.
Post by: Komodo on April 10, 2004, 11:35:19 pm
Sounds like I need to explain myself further. I'm working on a reference file using the numbers directly, to determine which ships are in which era as played on GSA or IP games. The YFA range would determine the era's from Early to Advanced, but I need the specific number which tells when each era starts.
This:
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
on another hand, this is helpful to me in a general manner.
OK- I think I see how it works. I had a look at the years in the ship descriptions:
anything 2263 and under is Early, (2263 being the base number)
2264-2273 is Mid, (YFA +1 to +20)
2274-2293 is Late, (which rather confused me, referring to above) (YFA +11 to +30)
and 2294+ is Advanced (YFA +31 and up)
Yeah, this looks right...am I correct?
Post by: Pestalence on April 10, 2004, 11:46:41 pm
ships 2273-2282 is mid
ships 2283 to 2302 is late
ship 2303 and on is advanced
as determined by single player campaign defaults...
Post by: Corbomite on April 11, 2004, 12:03:24 am
Early Era = all ships 2263 or earlier
Mid Era = all ships 2264 - 2270
Late Era = all ships 2271 - 2299
Advanced Era = all ships 2300 and up.
NOTE: If using the OP+ shiplist, there are some 1st Generation X-Ships available in Late Era starting at 2293.
Post by: FireSoul on April 11, 2004, 12:14:19 am
Quote:
Pest, he's asking about GSA not D2. The eras on GSA are different than the D2. On GSA -
Early Era = all ships 2263 or earlier
Mid Era = all ships 2264 - 2270
Late Era = all ships 2271 - 2299
Advanced Era = all ships 2300 and up.
NOTE: If using the OP+ shiplist, there are some 1st Generation X-Ships available in Late Era starting at 2293.
This is true for the latest OP patch. Previous patches had Advanced Era actually start in 2292 or some such date, no matter what the campaigns were set to. The X1 ships would appear in advanced.
-- Luc
Post by: FireSoul on April 11, 2004, 12:22:15 am
Quote:
[Clock/StartingDate]
BaseYear = 2263
0 = 0
1 = 10
2 = 20
3 = 40
now what this means is the following :
0 is early era.. or year 2263
1 is mid era or year 2273
2 is late era or year 2283
3 is Advanced era or year 2303
Don't use those files' settings to determine the dates for the eras. That's just the dates you want your era-choice campaign to start at.
Here's a little something that might help you all:
Code:
enum
{
kEBegin=-999,
kEEnd=0, // Z-DDV (YFA=0) is in early
kMBegin=1, // fighter Z-Mastiff.II (YFA=1) is in mid
kMEnd=7, // F-NCL (YFA=7) is in mid for start
kLBegin=8, // F-NCD (YFA=8) is in late for start.
kX1Begin=27, // To help find X1 ships.
kLEnd=36, // NOTE!!! It was discovered that OP's advanced era was starting at 2290 BEFORE 2.5.5.0. Now it's back to 2300.
kX1End=36,
kABegin=37, // (F-XFF YFA=37)
kAEnd=999,
};
So.. where "0" is 2263..
- Early goes up to 2263 (Y163)
- Mid is from 2264 (Y164) to 2270 (Y170). Just 7 years, inclusive.
- Late starts in 2271 (Y171) and goes to 2299 (Y199), as of patch 2550. previous to that patch it was 2271 to 2290. It is around 29 years, inclusive.
- Advanced starts in 2300 (Y200) and goes on from there.
-- Luc
Post by: Komodo on April 11, 2004, 09:25:58 pm
Where "0" is 2263
Early goes up to 2263 (SFB Y163) (YFA -x to 0)
Mid is from 2264 (SFB Y164) to 2270 (SFB Y170) (YFA 1 to 7)
Late starts in 2271 (SFB Y171) and goes to 2299 (SFB Y199) (YFA 8 to 36)
Advanced starts in 2300 (SFB Y200) and goes on from there (YFA 37+)
Thanks so much guys!
Post by: DonKarnage on April 14, 2004, 07:49:58 am
Post by: Komodo on April 15, 2004, 11:48:29 am
A YLA sets the parameters in D2 (fairly certain, anyways...) as a cutoff date for ship production- after that date, it no longer becomes available. It's a good way to open the shipyard to produce desired ships once a new era is entered.
Fed CAR: -3 to 4
Produced from late in the early era until the middle of the mid era for a total of 8 years.
Post by: DonKarnage on April 15, 2004, 02:56:16 pm
Post by: Maxillius on April 15, 2004, 08:57:26 pm
Quote:
Early goes up to 2263 (SFB Y163) (YFA -x to 0)
Mid is from 2264 (SFB Y164) to 2270 (SFB Y170) (YFA 1 to 7)
Late starts in 2271 (SFB Y171) and goes to 2299 (SFB Y199) (YFA 8 to 36)
Advanced starts in 2300 (SFB Y200) and goes on from there (YFA 37-57)
So, if you're doing an all-inclusive mod, you could make the Lost Era = 2320 (SFB Y220) (YFA 57-97)
then TNG 2360 (SFB Y260) (YFA 97+)
and if you're going before Early, then ENT/Birth of Federation era would be SFB Y50 (YFA -118 - -20)
check my math though