Post by: lleggs on January 20, 2003, 04:05:17 pm
Post by: FatherTed on January 20, 2003, 04:16:58 pm
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hey, I currently only have EAW, not OP. My question is, what does OP add to the game that EAW doesnt have? I know that the pirates are a playable race, but what else?
OP adds a few ships to all the fleets that got missed in EAW, including X-ships(yuck!). Multiplayer, especially PvP, seems a lot more stable, also. The D2 has several problems that while not killing a campaign, make it less fun.
Right now, EAW is better patched and has the better servers. However, OP has the better engine. If Taldren ever fixes the problems with OP, it would very likely be the basis for a player modded GaW.
Post by: Corbomite on January 20, 2003, 04:18:29 pm
More ships to select per race with some new weapons, like Maulers
WYN and LDR ships
X ships (it's a matter of opinion whether these are a good or bad thing)
The correct boom phaser arcs for Klingon and Rom/Kling ships
More Single Player Skirmish missions
More Multiplayer Skirmish missions
Bonus Pirate Skirmish missions
Unfortunately, the D2 for OP is pretty much broken, but it is being worked on as I type this and hopefully will be fixed before the year 3000.
Also there are no empire campaign missions for OP only Conquest Mode is available for them. The pirates have a campaign though. Firesoul was very nice and compiled the EAW campaign missions and the Bonus Sulu missions for OP however, so they can be added at no extra cost.
Post by: lleggs on January 20, 2003, 04:23:01 pm
Post by: FireSoul on January 20, 2003, 04:58:12 pm
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hey, I currently only have EAW, not OP. My question is, what does OP add to the game that EAW doesnt have? I know that the pirates are a playable race, but what else?
OP has me supporting it.
Post by: Firestorm on January 20, 2003, 05:10:03 pm
OP has those three, plus Adv era(more powerful ships).
Post by: lleggs on January 25, 2003, 03:46:07 pm
Just SFC3 which i cant play yet :\ Sucks huh? I guess i'll have to find means to order it online or something.
Post by: Soreyes on January 25, 2003, 11:05:53 pm
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hrrrmm, i went to my local Gamestop retailer (same as Babbages, Software Etc) yesterday and they didnt have OP.
Check out EBay there a lot of OP games there
Post by: Whiplash on January 25, 2003, 11:27:09 pm
Did OP really sell that much more poorly than SFC2?
W.
Post by: Cleaven on January 25, 2003, 11:42:37 pm
Post by: EmeraldEdge on January 26, 2003, 05:12:15 am
Post by: 3dot14 on January 26, 2003, 12:06:18 pm
That means further delay for the OP patch.
So why not just release the EAW ported portion first (in the style of 20055) and follow up with another patch once articfire has gotten the D2OP straightened out?
A 2.536 for the EAW ported fixes, and a 2.537 after the D2 is fixed?
At least this way OP's multiplayer skirmishes (GSA) can get some playing time. (and OP's d2 will too once 2537 is out)
Post by: Fluf on January 26, 2003, 12:06:32 pm
Post by: Rondo_GE on January 27, 2003, 03:46:31 am
Which is a roundabout way of saying that SFC OP is the better game. Just my opinion of course.
Post by: Soreyes on January 27, 2003, 04:21:20 am
Post by: Cocomoe on January 27, 2003, 10:39:28 am
Just my opinion.
Post by: FireSoul on January 27, 2003, 12:48:01 pm
Pardon?
.. I play them all. .. and trust me, it wasn't the end.
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OP was the death of a few races.
Just my opinion.
Post by: lleggs on January 27, 2003, 02:56:57 pm
waaa!! guess i waited too late *Sniff*
Post by: 3dot14 on January 27, 2003, 05:38:27 pm
if not, amazon, ebay, compusa... plenty of online sellers.
(pity CompuSmart is Canadian only. They are selling OP for SCDN 9.99. (which is less than 7 bucks US...)
Post by: Maxillius on January 27, 2003, 06:50:48 pm
BTW... any reason why we can't call the Klink 2X cruisers Fek'lhr's? I like the Op design better than SFC3's...
did I just hijack this thread?? sorry! Anyway, there's a GREATLY expanded shiplist/fighterlist out there -somewhere-, and I'd stick the link here if I could remember where it was in the old forums. But I've got it and it's got ALL the tugs, a Fed -beast- with 24 fighters... and some of the 1X cheesiness was eliminated! Someone's gotta find it and post it here!
Post by: Rod O'neal on January 28, 2003, 09:04:26 am
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OP is BY FAR the better version. I happen to -like- the x-ships, even though they're crap if the guy driving thinks speed 31 is a limit to live with. Anyway, I remember playing DarkElf, I think it was, in a KCR and he was in a Klingon X-cruiser, and <gasp> I won!!! Maybe once more people start playing OP, the Klingon X-ships can be worked over so that they don't get bested so easily by non-X tech. Never got the chance to tell him how good of a game that was!
BTW... any reason why we can't call the Klink 2X cruisers Fek'lhr's? I like the Op design better than SFC3's...
did I just hijack this thread?? sorry! Anyway, there's a GREATLY expanded shiplist/fighterlist out there -somewhere-, and I'd stick the link here if I could remember where it was in the old forums. But I've got it and it's got ALL the tugs, a Fed -beast- with 24 fighters... and some of the 1X cheesiness was eliminated! Someone's gotta find it and post it here!
It's Firesoul's OP+ shiplist. You can find it in the "Mod Forums" I second 3dot14's request for the patch release, now as is, with an update when the D2 stuff gets done. OP offers everything EAW does plus a lot more stuff. Probably the only thing EAW has more of is fan made single player scripts.
Post by: Strafer on January 28, 2003, 05:20:53 pm
This message brought to you by the letters O, P and the addition symbol.
Post by: FireSoul on January 28, 2003, 05:29:28 pm
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The OP+ Refit shiplist: available at http://klingon.stasis.ca and all quality mirrors.
This message brought to you by the letters O, P and the addition symbol.
.. and me.
Post by: lleggs on January 28, 2003, 05:31:11 pm
Post by: Admiral_CRS on January 28, 2003, 10:30:04 pm
Post by: Whiplash on January 29, 2003, 08:20:05 am
W.
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 29, 2003, 11:16:47 am
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I'm very pleased to see this resurgence of interest in OP. It really is the best, and now there is little reason for everyone who plays SFC2 to switch to it.
W.
Pssst.......D2.
That is all.
Agreed. OP is a better game. Though the 2nd genration X-ships suck, there was a lot of room for modding to make them more balanced. The additional weapons were cool, the CORRECT Klink phaser arcs are great, the graphics look better and it always seemed more stable.
But the D2 is broken. If D2 for OP ever gets fixed, it would be the game to play. Especially if you like a modded shiplist.
Post by: lleggs on January 20, 2003, 04:05:17 pm
Post by: FatherTed on January 20, 2003, 04:16:58 pm
Quote:
hey, I currently only have EAW, not OP. My question is, what does OP add to the game that EAW doesnt have? I know that the pirates are a playable race, but what else?
OP adds a few ships to all the fleets that got missed in EAW, including X-ships(yuck!). Multiplayer, especially PvP, seems a lot more stable, also. The D2 has several problems that while not killing a campaign, make it less fun.
Right now, EAW is better patched and has the better servers. However, OP has the better engine. If Taldren ever fixes the problems with OP, it would very likely be the basis for a player modded GaW.
Post by: Corbomite on January 20, 2003, 04:18:29 pm
More ships to select per race with some new weapons, like Maulers
WYN and LDR ships
X ships (it's a matter of opinion whether these are a good or bad thing)
The correct boom phaser arcs for Klingon and Rom/Kling ships
More Single Player Skirmish missions
More Multiplayer Skirmish missions
Bonus Pirate Skirmish missions
Unfortunately, the D2 for OP is pretty much broken, but it is being worked on as I type this and hopefully will be fixed before the year 3000.
Also there are no empire campaign missions for OP only Conquest Mode is available for them. The pirates have a campaign though. Firesoul was very nice and compiled the EAW campaign missions and the Bonus Sulu missions for OP however, so they can be added at no extra cost.
Post by: lleggs on January 20, 2003, 04:23:01 pm
Post by: FireSoul on January 20, 2003, 04:58:12 pm
Quote:
hey, I currently only have EAW, not OP. My question is, what does OP add to the game that EAW doesnt have? I know that the pirates are a playable race, but what else?
OP has me supporting it.
Post by: Firestorm on January 20, 2003, 05:10:03 pm
OP has those three, plus Adv era(more powerful ships).
Post by: lleggs on January 25, 2003, 03:46:07 pm
Just SFC3 which i cant play yet :\ Sucks huh? I guess i'll have to find means to order it online or something.
Post by: Soreyes on January 25, 2003, 11:05:53 pm
Quote:
hrrrmm, i went to my local Gamestop retailer (same as Babbages, Software Etc) yesterday and they didnt have OP.
Check out EBay there a lot of OP games there
Post by: Whiplash on January 25, 2003, 11:27:09 pm
Did OP really sell that much more poorly than SFC2?
W.
Post by: Cleaven on January 25, 2003, 11:42:37 pm
Post by: EmeraldEdge on January 26, 2003, 05:12:15 am
Post by: 3dot14 on January 26, 2003, 12:06:18 pm
That means further delay for the OP patch.
So why not just release the EAW ported portion first (in the style of 20055) and follow up with another patch once articfire has gotten the D2OP straightened out?
A 2.536 for the EAW ported fixes, and a 2.537 after the D2 is fixed?
At least this way OP's multiplayer skirmishes (GSA) can get some playing time. (and OP's d2 will too once 2537 is out)
Post by: Fluf on January 26, 2003, 12:06:32 pm
Post by: Rondo_GE on January 27, 2003, 03:46:31 am
Which is a roundabout way of saying that SFC OP is the better game. Just my opinion of course.
Post by: Soreyes on January 27, 2003, 04:21:20 am
Post by: Cocomoe on January 27, 2003, 10:39:28 am
Just my opinion.
Post by: FireSoul on January 27, 2003, 12:48:01 pm
Pardon?
.. I play them all. .. and trust me, it wasn't the end.
Quote:
OP was the death of a few races.
Just my opinion.
Post by: lleggs on January 27, 2003, 02:56:57 pm
waaa!! guess i waited too late *Sniff*
Post by: 3dot14 on January 27, 2003, 05:38:27 pm
if not, amazon, ebay, compusa... plenty of online sellers.
(pity CompuSmart is Canadian only. They are selling OP for SCDN 9.99. (which is less than 7 bucks US...)
Post by: Maxillius on January 27, 2003, 06:50:48 pm
BTW... any reason why we can't call the Klink 2X cruisers Fek'lhr's? I like the Op design better than SFC3's...
did I just hijack this thread?? sorry! Anyway, there's a GREATLY expanded shiplist/fighterlist out there -somewhere-, and I'd stick the link here if I could remember where it was in the old forums. But I've got it and it's got ALL the tugs, a Fed -beast- with 24 fighters... and some of the 1X cheesiness was eliminated! Someone's gotta find it and post it here!
Post by: Rod O'neal on January 28, 2003, 09:04:26 am
Quote:
OP is BY FAR the better version. I happen to -like- the x-ships, even though they're crap if the guy driving thinks speed 31 is a limit to live with. Anyway, I remember playing DarkElf, I think it was, in a KCR and he was in a Klingon X-cruiser, and <gasp> I won!!! Maybe once more people start playing OP, the Klingon X-ships can be worked over so that they don't get bested so easily by non-X tech. Never got the chance to tell him how good of a game that was!
BTW... any reason why we can't call the Klink 2X cruisers Fek'lhr's? I like the Op design better than SFC3's...
did I just hijack this thread?? sorry! Anyway, there's a GREATLY expanded shiplist/fighterlist out there -somewhere-, and I'd stick the link here if I could remember where it was in the old forums. But I've got it and it's got ALL the tugs, a Fed -beast- with 24 fighters... and some of the 1X cheesiness was eliminated! Someone's gotta find it and post it here!
It's Firesoul's OP+ shiplist. You can find it in the "Mod Forums" I second 3dot14's request for the patch release, now as is, with an update when the D2 stuff gets done. OP offers everything EAW does plus a lot more stuff. Probably the only thing EAW has more of is fan made single player scripts.
Post by: Strafer on January 28, 2003, 05:20:53 pm
This message brought to you by the letters O, P and the addition symbol.
Post by: FireSoul on January 28, 2003, 05:29:28 pm
Quote:
The OP+ Refit shiplist: available at http://klingon.stasis.ca and all quality mirrors.
This message brought to you by the letters O, P and the addition symbol.
.. and me.
Post by: lleggs on January 28, 2003, 05:31:11 pm
Post by: Admiral_CRS on January 28, 2003, 10:30:04 pm
Post by: Whiplash on January 29, 2003, 08:20:05 am
W.
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 29, 2003, 11:16:47 am
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I'm very pleased to see this resurgence of interest in OP. It really is the best, and now there is little reason for everyone who plays SFC2 to switch to it.
W.
Pssst.......D2.
That is all.
Agreed. OP is a better game. Though the 2nd genration X-ships suck, there was a lot of room for modding to make them more balanced. The additional weapons were cool, the CORRECT Klink phaser arcs are great, the graphics look better and it always seemed more stable.
But the D2 is broken. If D2 for OP ever gets fixed, it would be the game to play. Especially if you like a modded shiplist.