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Title: Combat support vessels
Post by: FPF-Bach on August 11, 2004, 06:31:27 pm
Can someone define what they are for me?
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: KHH Jakle on August 11, 2004, 06:47:51 pm
Tends to vary on who you ask, although there seems to always be some similarity/overlap.

In my book, examples of combat support vessles are: Drone Bombardment Ships, Maulers, Commando Ships and PF Tenders.

Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: TotensBurntCorpse on August 11, 2004, 07:00:12 pm
Combat support vessels....

first off this presupposes you got the right tool for the job.

1) carrier escorts are a support vessel - assuming they escort a carrier
2) commando boats are support vessels - assuming they have a shield punching big brother
3) bombardment ships are support vessels - assuming we use them as such
4) tugs are support ships - with pod carrying they become rather ponderous beached whales
5) AUX freighters - geared towards combat - but not the carrier types

There are many.

IMHO pretty much anything that you look at that wouldnt be a good all around ship (nice mix of phasers, heavy weapons etc) is by definition a bit of a specialty ship.
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: FPF-Bach on August 11, 2004, 07:08:54 pm
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: zerosnark on August 11, 2004, 09:49:10 pm
Quote
1) carrier escorts are a support vessel - assuming they escort a carrier
2) commando boats are support vessels - assuming they have a shield punching big brother
3) bombardment ships are support vessels - assuming we use them as such
4) tugs are support ships - with pod carrying they become rather ponderous beached whales
5) AUX freighters - geared towards combat - but not the carrier types

Not sure I agree with this type of definition. Let me try a more wet-navy approach.

A combat support vessel is a *naval ship* that does not participate in combat operations, but is needed to support the fleet. In short, a Naval Auxilary. Wet navy analogies would include underway replenishment ships and fleet depot ships. In SFB terms, I think of combat support vessels as Tugs, fast combat resupply ships and the like.

Specialty ships such as bombartment ships and carrier escorts are intended to stand in a battle line, and are support ships in the same way an ISC DN supports a frigate gun line with its PPD's. A SFC Carrier Escort serves the same function as WWI destroyers which screened the fleet.

In SFC terms, we have support ships such as Tugs and Aux carriers. We have independent operation ships such as Cruisers, destroyers and exploration ships. We have Fleet ships such as Scouts, Escorts, Carriers, and DN's. None of these Fleet ships are intended to operate alone. We also have special assult ships such as Bombardment ships and Commando ships.
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: KHH Jakle on August 11, 2004, 09:57:01 pm
Semantics :)

What you are calling combat support, I would just call support.

Combat support to me denotes a direct combat role, but not designed to operate alone - ie Drone Bombardment ships, Maulers, ect.
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: Green on August 11, 2004, 10:07:57 pm
What the other's said ... depends on who you ask.

The best listing I've seen for SFC was on GZ (no idea if SFB has an official list).

http://home.comcast.net/~jakle/Patrol_Battle_Rules3.htm

Not sure if Jakle's lists are based on 3.2, 3.3, or 3.4 ... but they do provide a good overview
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: FPF-Bach on August 11, 2004, 11:41:25 pm
Thanks again, I've pretty much got the picture now.  :)
Title: Re: Combat support vessels
Post by: KHH Jakle on August 12, 2004, 12:04:32 am
What the other's said ... depends on who you ask.

The best listing I've seen for SFC was on GZ (no idea if SFB has an official list).

[url]http://home.comcast.net/~jakle/Patrol_Battle_Rules3.htm[/url]

Not sure if Jakle's lists are based on 3.2, 3.3, or 3.4 ... but they do provide a good overview


GZ's PBR is based on SFB's Patrol Scenario Rules - but I have done some...interpretation (with other SFB'ers input). 

The Matrix was built off of 3.2...so I have to update it before the cycle starts.