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Taldrenites => Dynaverse II Experiences => Topic started by: FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC on September 16, 2004, 01:25:15 pm
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It is has been asked of me that I remove my sig pic because of complaints by at least more than one person, I have been told that they do not like it.
I was not told who they were, nor what their complaint was. With the exception of only one person who voiced her dissatisfaction quoting biblical references, I have not received any complaints personally. However, as an admin of this forum and a representative of the association which manages it, I am complying with this request.
My thanks to all of you who gave compliments on the sig pic, and there was a lot of you, by far a majority.
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Sad to hear it. I for one ain't changing mine, and I am fully exposed. If you got it flaunt it.
On a side note, am I the only one that thinks it is funny that people that don't even play the game anymore get to tell us how to act?
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Dammit, I really liked that pic.
Oh well, still have Kroma.
Well said as well Kroma, beauty and brains eh?
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Sad to hear it. I for one ain't changing mine, and I am fully exposed. If you got it flaunt it.
On a side note, am I the only one that thinks it is funny that people that don't even play the game anymore get to tell us how to act?
I do find it a bit funny and kinda stupid at the same time, kinda stupid funny I guess.
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What if you put a "Censored" bar over the nipples?
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Well, me, what was too much was the sheer thickness of your Sig. This is much better now, even though I am sure it could be made yet slimmer.
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What if you put a "Censored" bar over the nipples?
I refuse to cover my nipples.....I am just the way God made me.
FS, is this the kind of slimming you prefer? I even got my Klingon leathers on.
(http://mkroll.asta.chicago.il.us/ColonicKroma.jpg)
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I'd think that an admin could find out what the complaints were etc. Jeez.
The only problem I have with people's sigs is people who have BIG pics and a lot of text etc.
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Should've known it couldn't last forever. God forbid a few souls can't grow up a little bit. ::)
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right. I hate censorship...it's a form of cowardice and moral high-handedness that is often abused as badly or more than the actual infraction it's attempting to quash.
While good taste and morality dictate that we should act as adults and good christians or whatever the religion, there is nothing wrong with an occassional image or curse word to spark humor in a situation or group conversation. The supposed immorality of nudity is poppy-cock. Did the Romans not build nude and near nude busts throughout the ages. Didn't and don't the italians, the french and most other civilized societies celebrate the perfection of the human form in fine art and scuplture? It's all relative to a point of view that is often warped by what is told to us by our parents and churches.
I am a semi-conservative christian and while I don't necessarily agree with everything I see or hear, what right would I have to ask others to change? Is it becuase the kid's might see this? Again...Poppy-cock, believe me kids will see a lot and much more than anything I've seen here. I've raised 3 kids and have 2 grand kids...nothing here even scratches the surface of immorality. (Yes I'm an old bastard....ooops there's a bad word ;D
My 2 cents anyways,
V
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Seems kinda silly to me that it is considered ok to see exposed male nipples but not exposed female ones in our supposedly equal society. While I appreciate that you removed the pic due to complaints Tracey, I don't agree with those complaints as I see nothing wrong with nudity. As long as a sexual act isn't involved I don't consider it pornographic. Many of the conversations on this forum have been more blatantly sexual and pornographic. Kroma comes immediately to mind, and the famous "muff" discussions from Taldren. No one said a thing when I got mooned by a picture of kilt lifting Bruces yet one female nipple and there is protest. If our society was more accepting of nudity perhaps sexual crime rates might actually go down in the USA and become comparable to the more open European countries that have less trouble with these crimes.
Perhaps a compromise is possible, just a tad of air brushing could make both sides a bit happier..... ;)
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EDIT: I don't wanna piss anyone off too bad so if you missed the original version of this post you're out of luck.
EDIT 2: the first edit wasn't vague enough :-X
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right. I hate censorship...it's a form of cowardice and moral high-handedness that is often abused as badly or more than the actual infraction it's attempting to quash.
Hey, cheap shot! I'm a conservative right-winger, and I looked forward to seeing that sig several times each day!
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To Max,
No one likes a tattle tale. If Tracey wanted to named names she would have, and its not like it was a big secret anyhow. At least that person didn't hide their views or their ID and I respect anyone for making their views known up front even if I don't agree with those views. Its those that slink around in the background that I don't care for.
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to be honest.... I felt bad about posting it about 5 minutes after I did so.
It seems I shoot first and ask questions later
Jury's still out on if I should delete the post though. The quoted post still irks me.
Yeah, it's coming down. I don't like offending people, and I can't help but think that this is bannable :-\
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Perhaps a compromise is possible, just a tad of air brushing could make both sides a bit happier..... ;)
Like this
(http://)
a few minor touches and perhaps we can all let it pass..... ;D
Chuut
the compromise broker
EDIT: ***Image removed as it didn't meet Frey's approval***
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it is true though, cartoon nipples are cartoon nipples. Whether they are on an attractive Klingon chick or a Gorn in a Tutu, does it really make a difference?
An what is wrong with discussing the Mussashi Un-manned Forward Frontier? That was a damn good strategy! ;D
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What a crock of sh&t
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Looks good, Chuut! Would'nt even notice a difference in shade if it weren't for my LCD laptop screen that notices EVERY shade difference :thumbsup:
And Diehard, you crack me up!!!! ;D Funny thing is, I tried upping your karma, but I got an error message saying I have to wait 12 hours between karma actions... guess I already upped it today :D
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right. I hate censorship...it's a form of cowardice and moral high-handedness that is often abused as badly or more than the actual infraction it's attempting to quash.
Hey, cheap shot! I'm a conservative right-winger, and I looked forward to seeing that sig several times each day!
Yeah..what he said...
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Freedom of speech died when then the Beatles backed it in.She did the honourable thing and as an admin she now has to set the example.this now her jop.Good on you Tracey.
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(http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/213/213579/folders/168080/1232961venus.jpg)
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Freedom of speech died when then the Beatles backed it in.She did the honourable thing and as an admin she now has to set the example.this now her jop.Good on you Tracey.
:lame:
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([url]http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/213/213579/folders/168080/1232961venus.jpg[/url])
and for Kroma
(http://www.dotcom.gi/virtual/phflorenc/david.jpg)
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Hmmm . . . I guess my journal re: J'inn Does Vegas might get me in a tad bit of hot waater.
Well POOP!!! I'll leave the digital camera at home.
The text is being posted however.
So sue me.
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and for Kroma
([url]http://www.dotcom.gi/virtual/phflorenc/david.jpg[/url])
Kroma gives that one his highest rating....two circles and a snap.
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Freedom of speech died when then the Beatles backed it in.She did the honourable thing and as an admin she now has to set the example.this now her jop.Good on you Tracey.
:lame:
what he said
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Kroma crowed:
Sad to hear it. I for one ain't changing mine, and I am fully exposed. If you got it flaunt it.
Could you at least take that damn cap off? These forums do have their standards, you know.
-S'Cipio
PS: Tracey, I'm truly sorry about that, and sorry you had to deal with unpleasant letters. I thought it was a clever sig file for the KCW campaign, nipples or no nipples.
PPS: Do you need Janet's phone number? Maybe if you get J'inn to give her a call he can get some legal strategy advice.
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Tracy, The Klingons had a meeting in the Great Hall.
Two things,
First, PUT IT BACK!
Second, we want to know who complained, next server,,, Klingons against THEM!
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She can't it is Frey's house.
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I am SOOO glad a got a copy of that pic before it was removed. ;)
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She can't it is Frey's house.
You've already posted that point
Have you ever played a game of D2? If not, why are you here?
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To stifle our fun by telling Frey he is offended by TraceyG's sig pic....
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You've already posted that point
Have you ever played a game of D2? If not, why are you here?
God, I have wanted to say that all friggin week, but am trying not to be too cruel. He has accounts at GZ too. I have no idea what he is ever talking about on any of the forums he spams. I mean it is one thing if you actually play the game and have inane opinions about it, but to not even play it and have them is quiet another matter. Christ at least post in english for crying out loud.
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You've already posted that point
Have you ever played a game of D2? If not, why are you here?
God, I have wanted to say that all friggin week, but am trying not to be too cruel. He has accounts at GZ too. I have no idea what he is ever talking about on any of the forums he spams. I mean it is one thing if you actually play the game and have inane opinions about it, but to not even play it and have them is quiet another matter. Christ at least post in english for crying out loud.
LMFAO :rofl:
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You've already posted that point
Have you ever played a game of D2? If not, why are you here?
Entertainment!
I look forward to Age's posts, they are always enlightening! ;D
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You've already posted that point
Have you ever played a game of D2? If not, why are you here?
Entertainment!
I look forward to Age's posts, they are always enlightening! ;D
Just imagine the theme tune from Twilight Zone at the same time.
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Just imagine the theme tune from Twilight Zone at the same time.
Wasn't drinking anything that time! :P
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Not to be a killjoy, since there are many things I'd rather do than stop the fun (like join in the bashing).... but something tells me this is getting close to.... uhhhmmm.... I forget what it's called but it ain't good.
Well, y'all are ripping on him pretty bad, I'd hate to be on the recieving end of it (but then I also wouldn't start it either).
Just something to think about
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Yeah I felt bad about it, but it has been building for a while. The subtle hints plus Hexx just don't seem to be getting through. It is one thing about the "game" advice, but the moralizing really ticks me off. I am still not completely convinced he ain't someones alter. It is just hard to believe it all at times.
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Here ya go Tracey.
I went over and, ahem, 'adjusted' your vest... Pulled it a little tighter there, I doubt it will stay. ;) Use this one, just as good.
(http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah.bmp)
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CENSORSHIP SUCKS!!!!
We...
wants.....
MORE BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is missing the best parts though.
BTW, Dizzy you got mail? Get it yet?
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Wow...
Ok who let their wife read the forums?
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Does this mean if I get say 3 or 4 people to request that Kromas sig be removed because it's picture offends our sense of morality/normalilty you will have him remove it?
Interesting.....
1984....
Ahh well I can see where this was a problem NOBODY wanted to happen.. still sucks
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It is missing the best parts though.
BTW, Dizzy you got mail? Get it yet?
btw folks, I find kromas sig pic FAR worse and more offensive than Traceys... Just an fyi.
Yeah Kroma Im looking over the hoochimp collars now. ;)
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Does this mean if I get say 3 or 4 people to request that Kromas sig be removed because it's picture offends our sense of morality/normalilty you will have him remove it?
Boy you got that much hatred for the Cubs? I would think my classic beauty makes up for any transgressions in that regard.
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OK I just finished looking at her sig that was reposted-- WTF is wrong with it-- it looks perfectly acceptable.. You can see more skin when you go buy milk at the corner store.
ShadowLord
( I think I might have to call my ship BOOBIE1 for the KCW just to show my support...
Release the HOGANS -- free my ... doh err going to bed now..
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first one showed a slight hint of nip
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How would you like me to get a hold of Frey and tell him how Ticked I am uumm.NO KROMA I AINT Water Tiger and I am not spamming forums althought you like to bait me all the time.Thanks Maxillius for pointing this out and it called baiting and rubbing!!!!
You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
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Rubbing, yes. Baiting, no, you did that yourself.
Anyway, Kroma, it showed a bit of *both* nips to be accurate ;)
I agree with Dizzy, Kroma's pic is horrible now and was horrible when it was first posted. I could care less about the hat :P
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How would you like me to get a hold of Frey and tell him how Ticked I am uumm.NO KROMA I AINT Water Tiger and I am not spamming forums althought you like to bait me all the time.Thanks Maxillius for pointing this out and it called baiting and rubbing!!!!
You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
Just stalking the forums and threads I and others are in with no relavent material on the subjects at hand to contribute. I call that spamming.
And when did I say you were WT? Just said you might be an alter, acting the "innocent" troll.
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Here ya go Tracey.
I went over and, ahem, 'adjusted' your vest... Pulled it a little tighter there, I doubt it will stay. ;) Use this one, just as good.
([url]http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah.bmp[/url])
Actually, Dizzy, that's a pretty good job of photo editing. Nicely done!
And it's still an "attentinon-getting" drawing.
-S'Cipio
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How would you like me to get a hold of Frey and tell him how Ticked I am uumm.NO KROMA I AINT Water Tiger and I am not spamming forums althought you like to bait me all the time.Thanks Maxillius for pointing this out and it called baiting and rubbing!!!!
You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
There's my little tigger! Coming out swinging, You go champ!
Don't let that cross dressing lizard get the better of ya!
Pig, stirrer of feces since 2002.
For all your troublemaking needs call 1 800 PIG S***
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How would you like me to get a hold of Frey and tell him how Ticked I am uumm.NO KROMA I AINT Water Tiger and I am not spamming forums althought you like to bait me all the time.Thanks Maxillius for pointing this out and it called baiting and rubbing!!!!
You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
There's my little tigger! Coming out swinging, You go champ!
Don't let that cross dressing lizard get the better of ya!
Pig, stirrer of feces since 2002.
For all your troublemaking needs call 1 800 PIG S***
hmmmm....on second thought maybe Age is likkerpig.
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hmmmm....on second thought maybe Age is likkerpig.
Oooooo....
An interesting conundrum...
Can the usually erudite pig be so obtuse to make the Age alter?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Where is that damn twilight zone music?
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Can the usually erudite pig be so obtuse to make the Age alter?
Nah, subtlety ain't your strong point.
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How would you like me to get a hold of Frey and tell him how Ticked I am uumm.NO KROMA I AINT Water Tiger and I am not spamming forums althought you like to bait me all the time.Thanks Maxillius for pointing this out and it called baiting and rubbing!!!!
You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
Rod Serling steps into the centre of the screen and with that wonderful intense voice begins his introduction to tonights show. Once again we are away on another visit to the Age Zone, where reality has no place and one thread is as good as any other to post a story about a cat named Spot and a boy who can see time.
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[straight face]
:skeptic:
[/straight face]
::)*whistles*
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You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
if yer talking about yerself leaving, then I don't think that statement fits. You see to be a player one must play the game....
As you have never played D2 I don't think -you- posting why players are leaving has any bearing whatsoever. Now if you were to play D2, or heck post semi-on topic in threads then maybe people might read what you write. Otherwise most people I think just pass over yer posts.
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You wonder why players have left to play Eve Well you got you got your answer!!!!!
if yer talking about yerself leaving, then I don't think that statement fits. You see to be a player one must play the game....
As you have never played D2 I don't think -you- posting why players are leaving has any bearing whatsoever. Now if you were to play D2, or heck post semi-on topic in threads then maybe people might read what you write. Otherwise most people I think just pass over yer posts.
But then if that were true this discussion would not be taking place since no one would know anything more about the post than simply the fact it had nothing to do with what anyone was talking about.
I tried, bud, I really did, but you really have to see their point. Start making on-topic posts or be flamed like the rest of the trolls.
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Yeah I felt bad about it, but it has been building for a while. The subtle hints plus Hexx just don't seem to be getting through. It is one thing about the "game" advice, but the moralizing really ticks me off. I am still not completely convinced he ain't someones alter. It is just hard to believe it all at times.
Are you saying I'm not subtle ?
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I prefer the original....But Dizzy did a fine job, see know reason not to "Use IT"...Tracey !
Lets not get carried away with "Political Correctness and Moral Righteousness"
It's been a while now...and this crap comes up, Pleeease ! ::)
TITS !!
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I'm going to say this "for the record"...
When I first saw the new Klink sig, I saw no problem with it. Then again, I'm partially colorblind (shades all blend to me...), and I thought her vest was covering all points of importance...
Upon further review of her sig, I did notice that it has a slight "wardrobe malfunction". Unfortunately, in the USA, that is still considered illegal. :( :police: Look at the uproar created by a similiar issue with Ms. Janet Jackson...
Now, was this something intentional, or a hacker who edited it in to try and get someone in trouble with the US "age checking" authority (you know, those people that need to make sure material restricted to the under-18 crowd is properly locked up...) doesn't concern me. Though with it's malfunction, I can understand why it would need to be removed.
If the versions that have the vest pulled a bit tighter are legal, let's see that one adopted and put back into use. Perhaps Tracey would be convinced into making a version where the vest is closed over enough of the abdomen to help insure that there are no more "wardrobe malfunctions", but still carry the design the original one did...
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what the chimp said!
::)
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You know, people who don't like what they see here don't have to come here. This is not Taldren anymore and there is no company image to be kept up here. As long as it isn't totally lewd, gross or OTT in some other way I couldn't care less what pics people post. In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see. This allows you to have your preferences while allowing others to enjoy theirs. And yes, I am talking to the same group of people who can't seem to physically change the channel when something they don't like comes on TV. ::)
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Not to be a killjoy, since there are many things I'd rather do than stop the fun (like join in the bashing).... but something tells me this is getting close to.... uhhhmmm.... I forget what it's called but it ain't good.
Well, y'all are ripping on him pretty bad, I'd hate to be on the recieving end of it (but then I also wouldn't start it either).
Just something to think about
Ya know I was just rereading this and I thought of something...
Why does no one ever jump to MY defense when I'm getting bashed on?
Personally I think Age has it easy....
I demand equal treatment!
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You know, people who don't like what they see here don't have to come here. This is not Taldren anymore and there is no company image to be kept up here. As long as it isn't totally lewd, gross or OTT in some other way I couldn't care less what pics people post. In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see. This allows you to have your preferences while allowing others to enjoy theirs. And yes, I am talking to the same group of people who can't seem to physically change the channel when something they don't like comes on TV. ::)
You really like those italicy "y"s don't you?
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Hmmm, can XO's be challenged or do I have to dipose Julin to get rid of you? :P
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She can't it is Frey's house.
Therein lies the problem.
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Here ya go Tracey.
I went over and, ahem, 'adjusted' your vest... Pulled it a little tighter there, I doubt it will stay. ;) Use this one, just as good.
([url]http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah.bmp[/url])
Actually, Dizzy, that's a pretty good job of photo editing. Nicely done!
And it's still an "attentinon-getting" drawing.
-S'Cipio
I agree man, good save!
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Yeah I felt bad about it, but it has been building for a while. The subtle hints plus Hexx just don't seem to be getting through. It is one thing about the "game" advice, but the moralizing really ticks me off. I am still not completely convinced he ain't someones alter. It is just hard to believe it all at times.
Are you saying I'm not subtle ?
No your not, but you are supple.
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right.
<scratches head>
But what exactly was Tracey trying to express?
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right.
<scratches head>
But what exactly was Tracey trying to express?
LeRoy, if you don't know the answer to that question, you really need to get out of the house more often. Kids today!
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right.
<scratches head>
But what exactly was Tracey trying to express?
LeRoy, if you don't know the answer to that question, you really need to get out of the house more often. Kids today!
I guess what I'm gittin' at is WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS OVER THE CENSORSHIP OF A PICTURE??? It's not as if her political veiws or personal beliefs are bein' pursecuted or anything.
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Bah..... freedom of expression squashed by the conservative right.
<scratches head>
But what exactly was Tracey trying to express?
LeRoy, if you don't know the answer to that question, you really need to get out of the house more often. Kids today!
I guess what I'm gittin' at is WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS OVER THE CENSORSHIP OF A PICTURE??? It's not as if her political veiws or personal beliefs are bein' pursecuted or anything.
Because censorship of any kind is wrong. As a red blood American I thought you would have understood that. Yes "pornography" should be hidden from children, but nudity is not necessarily "pornography". Well maybe in the bible belt, but not the rest of the civilized world.
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I think its pathetic. If these people are so sensitive and thin skinned perhaps they ought to go to some Christan web site,and not here.
Who the hell are these people the freaking Taliban? They are using the same tactics. ::) ::) ::) So now we are ruled by a theocracy?
So now the whole board has to cave in every time they whine and complain? 2 people don't make the majority, if they do not like it THEY can leave.
Censorship sucks. And people with a mind set like that suck even worse. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Censoship by tyhe government is wrong. It is in the rights of any individual to censor their own private property.
The Government didn't tell Tracey to hide the nipples, Frey is totally within his right to ask her to remove the picture on HIS property. Just as he was correct in banning me for flaming the STD people.
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CENSORSHIP SUCKS!!!!
We...
wants.....
MORE BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
b00b13s = teh w1n! :thumbsup:
On a serious note, I respect Tracey's decision, but I probably wouldn't have caved. There was nothing wrong with that pic and whoever didn't like it is certainly welcome to ignore it any time they please.
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You know, people who don't like what they see here don't have to come here. This is not Taldren anymore and there is no company image to be kept up here. As long as it isn't totally lewd, gross or OTT in some other way I couldn't care less what pics people post. In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see. This allows you to have your preferences while allowing others to enjoy theirs. And yes, I am talking to the same group of people who can't seem to physically change the channel when something they don't like comes on TV. ::)
There's what I meant expounded upon a bit further... ;)
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In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see.
LOL! You know, I'd completely forgotten that option existed. Good point! You need never see a sig pic if you don't want to.
<scratches head>
But what exactly was Tracey trying to express?
:spam:-ON
She was trying to give an expression of the outside temperature. This could be helpful to you in the mornings this fall, as you decide each day whether or not you need a jacket.
:spam:-OFF
-S'Cipio
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You know, people who don't like what they see here don't have to come here. This is not Taldren anymore and there is no company image to be kept up here. As long as it isn't totally lewd, gross or OTT in some other way I couldn't care less what pics people post. In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see. This allows you to have your preferences while allowing others to enjoy theirs. And yes, I am talking to the same group of people who can't seem to physically change the channel when something they don't like comes on TV. ::)
There's what I meant expounded upon a bit further... ;)
Thank you Corbo and Doggy for thinking more clearly than me :lol:
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Censoship by tyhe government is wrong. It is in the rights of any individual to censor their own private property.
The Government didn't tell Tracey to hide the nipples, Frey is totally within his right to ask her to remove the picture on HIS property. Just as he was correct in banning me for flaming the STD people.
So what you are saying is that every and any time the 2 people have some thing here that offends their religion, we ALL have to cave in to them?
And what religion is the only, right religion? If i can get 20 people to say having a clothed sig.is against our religion, we all have to change ours again?
This is the problem with letting any type of religious doctrine, dictate their morals and views on a group of people. Many people have different religions and views on how they should worship and live.
By caving in to a TINY minority we have just in fact said, that their views have president over all others on this board. and they have the right to force them on all of us.
Give these people an inch and they will demand a mile. Now they have gotten away with it it wont stop here. It never does.
The signatures CAN be turned off. censorship and religious oppression can not.
And there is a Big difference between being rude and insulting to a group of people, And ramming your beliefs down somebody's throat.
The signature is tame as heck!!! You can see a whole lot worse by opening up any magazine, or watching prime time TV.
If these people are so sensitive they need to be cloistered in a monastery some where. Not out in public where we enjoy our freedom.
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a TINY minority
Is it?
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And what religion is the only, right religion? If i can get 20 people to say having a clothed sig.is against our religion, we all have to change ours again?
Sign me up for that.
Hell, I play in the nude anyways....
;D
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What I'm saying is this is Frey's forum. He makes the rules and we have 2 choices. Take it or leave it.
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What I'm saying is this is Frey's forum. He makes the rules and we have 2 choices. Take it or leave it.
By Jove, man, I think ya got someithin' there! +1 karma for reminding us ;D
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a TINY minority
Is it?
It is read the post again it said a couple.
Look I'm not against religion I'm religious my self, but this sets a BAD president here. Just because its predominantly Cristian here the Muslims don't get what they want?
And if the Muslims scream louder than the Cristisans the Muslims win? What about the Buddhists the Jews etc.
All this is going to do is cause more problems that it solves. Unless they want to have a list of approved religions here, and thats just law suit city waiting to happen. :P
There are too many people from too many back grounds here, to let one group hold sway over the rest.
Religion needs to stay out of the mix, or its just going to cause more problems than it solves. And the last thing this comunity needs is to be fragmented even more.
I say hold a vote on the whole thing and settle it once and for all.
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What I'm saying is this is Frey's forum. He makes the rules and we have 2 choices. Take it or leave it.
Frey had nothing to do with it. According to her post SHE removed it because of a couple of complainers, One even started quoting scripture about it.
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What I'm saying is this is Frey's forum. He makes the rules and we have 2 choices. Take it or leave it.
:goodpost: :rules: (http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163342511.0.html)
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In Canada (and truth to tell I bet it's the same in the USA-- maybe Jinn can let us know) -- but
In Canada men are allowed to go around without shirts in public (yea yea not in restaurants and stores etc -- but lets say in the street-- ) so some lady took it to court when she got a ticket for public nudity for being topless -- I believe it went all the way to the supreme court and she won..
Women now have the same right as men to walk around with no top/bra on - -however the court also indicated that this could create problems in terms of the women being -- viewed as sexually promiscuous etc.. however here is my point --
I dint see Kroma with a bra on (OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE ) -- equality is only fair..
ShadowLord
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I really dont think anyone but the person/people who complained really care about her sig do they.. I mean the rest of us dont blame Frey for doing what he had to do = and respect Tracy for removing it -- doesnt mean we dont support her original sig...
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the rest of us dont blame Frey for doing what he had to do = and respect Tracy for removing it -- doesnt mean we dont support her original sig...
Quote of the day 8)
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In Canada (and truth to tell I bet it's the same in the USA-- maybe Jinn can let us know) -- but
In Canada men are allowed to go around without shirts in public (yea yea not in restaurants and stores etc -- but lets say in the street-- ) so some lady took it to court when she got a ticket for public nudity for being topless -- I believe it went all the way to the supreme court and she won..
Women now have the same right as men to walk around with no top/bra on - -however the court also indicated that this could create problems in terms of the women being -- viewed as sexually promiscuous etc.. however here is my point --
I dint see Kroma with a bra on (OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE ) -- equality is only fair..
ShadowLord
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I really dont think anyone but the person/people who complained really care about her sig do they.. I mean the rest of us dont blame Frey for doing what he had to do = and respect Tracy for removing it -- doesnt mean we dont support her original sig...
Being an ex-Pat Canuck that moved to the States, I can tell you that US Law is more conservative on social issues. The most liberal states would be CA, NY and MA. The pretty conservative states are gonna be in the deep south and mid-west. I remember when I turned 19 in Canada and could go start drinking at cool beach-front club in White Rock, B.C. near the US/Canada Peach Arch crossing. Our crowd was joined with a bunch of under-21 Americans from WA state that crossed the border so they would not have to wait. That was a pretty cool B-day party. :D
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a TINY minority
Is it?
It is read the post again it said a couple.
You mean to say that only two people out of a group saw fit to speak up. There's probably many more people other than the aforementioned objectors that didn't appreciate Tracey's sig and simply ignored it.
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So after all this I think we can sum it up
1) Tracey's sig was cool with alot of us
2) Frey makes the rules here
3)The US sucks compared to the Great White North.
Anything I miss?
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a TINY minority
Is it?
It is read the post again it said a couple.
You mean to say that only two people out of a group saw fit to speak up. There's probably many more people other than the aforementioned objectors that didn't appreciate Tracey's sig and simply ignored it.
And there's probably alot more people who liked it and didn't post, and even more who don't care either way and didn't post.
What's your point?
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a TINY minority
Is it?
It is read the post again it said a couple.
You mean to say that only two people out of a group saw fit to speak up. There's probably many more people other than the aforementioned objectors that didn't appreciate Tracey's sig and simply ignored it.
And there's probably alot more people who liked it and didn't post, and even more who don't care either way and didn't post.
What's your point?
Ya can't make a census based solely on forum posts.
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And you cant overlay your own opinions upon the general forum users and assume then to be the norm....unless you poll them... ;)
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And you cant overlay your own opinions upon the general forum users and assume then to be the norm....unless you poll them... ;)
New quote of the day.
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To be quite honest, I haven't seen Frey post himself in a while, I certainly don't think he saw Tracey's sig. So, as a result, I don't think Frey had anything to do with Tracey dropping... errr.. removing.... uhhmmmmm....
He had nothing to do with the removal of Tracey's sig pic. She personally recieved complaints and dealt with it the best way she knew how. Granted, I might've posted a full nude for like 10 minutes after the complaints were recieved ;D but in the end I would've done the same thing.
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Kranak, Need a reason to move back up north?
Lets just say --
Decriminalization of POT -- is about to happen -- wont make it legal but for anything under 15Grams you will get a fine and no criminal record..
Yea baby!!!
Only reason I can think of to vote liberal..and I still didnt vote liberal..
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Kranak, Need a reason to move back up north?
Lets just say --
Decriminalization of POT -- is about to happen -- wont make it legal but for anything under 15Grams you will get a fine and no criminal record..
Yea baby!!!
Only reason I can think of to vote liberal..and I still didnt vote liberal..
Nah it's OK, I like the US the way it is. Lotsa cool people to hang with. :D
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Let me clarify something here. It was Frey who asked me to remove the sig pic and as I said in my original post, I presonally received no complaints nor saw any in the forums with the exception of the one complaint stated.
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You know, people who don't like what they see here don't have to come here. This is not Taldren anymore and there is no company image to be kept up here. As long as it isn't totally lewd, gross or OTT in some other way I couldn't care less what pics people post. In your profile, there is a setting to turn off signatures and images for you if you don't like what you see. This allows you to have your preferences while allowing others to enjoy theirs. And yes, I am talking to the same group of people who can't seem to physically change the channel when something they don't like comes on TV. ::)
DISCLAIMER: I did not have a problem with the sig. That sig was certainly easy on my eyes, fo sho.
I'm not comfortable with the idea "This is not Taldren anymore". I don't know any of the details, but I presume a group of very mature people (who also had some financial resources to pay the bills) were given Taldren's blessing to continue to provide this community with a place to congregate. I would thing that inherent in that blessing is an understanding to try and operate as Taldren would have done. So I wonder if Taldren would have been comfortable with that Sig if they had received a complaint or two.
My sons played this game from 1999-2001. Some of you may remember Malacoda, who was at one time probably the best 14 year old SFC player on the planet. I was mindful of what he saw and read online. At 13 and older, I was not too worried about most of the things that went on on Mplayer, Gamespy, and the Taldren forums, since I knew what reading material he had snuck under his mattress.
But if my son had been 8, 9, or 10, and playing this game and frequenting the forums and gaming venues of the time, or if I had a young daughter...well, I dunno.
Also, I can envision a situation where some poor schmuck is surfing the forums when he should be fixing a faucet or edging the lawn, and he catches heck from his wife as she walks by the computer and see a sig of a scantily clad woman. My wife of 25 years just rolled her eyes when she saw the sig, especially when I mention Tracey's location on the other side of the planet. But I can see a bad scene with a less understand woman.
Like most of us, I felt bad for both Tracey and Frey. But I think they would have done what Taldren would have done, and that is a good thing.
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What I'm saying is this is Frey's forum. He makes the rules and we have 2 choices. Take it or leave it.
What r u? The f*cking forum police? I dont need to be reminded of whose forum this is. It's MINE. Frey is my lackey and waxes my car, so STFU!
EDIT: Ok, Tracey, we cant have you hiding in bushed anymore w/o a photo of you... so, which one of these sig pics do you like best?
The one BEFORE I gave you breast implants:
(http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah.bmp)
Or the one AFTER breast implants? Not like they wenrt big enough in the 1st place tho... ;) Oh, and btw, It was all MY pleasure. ;)
(http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah2.bmp)
Love,
Diz
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So after all this I think we can sum it up
1) Tracey's sig was cool with alot of us
2) Frey makes the rules here
3)The US sucks compared to the Great White North.
4) Hexx is a p00py-head.
Anything I miss?
Nope, ya got 'em all.
Anyway,
Nice to see the pre-dyna flame-fest get going (and I got to add fuel too :D). Funny, since we are all flying the same race and no idea who is on what team (w/ 6 notable exceptions) we are focusing on other issues.
To summarize...
Hooch is right. The first ammendment's protection on free speech is meant to restrict the government ( a good thing).
Age still doesn't play the game.
Kroma is p0rn.
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For some reason Dizzy, I havent been able to see your edited versions yet, only part of the pic displays. Your orion pic displays fine though, dont know why.
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No sh*t sherlocks, this is private property and those that pay the bills can do whatever they like. But I am still sick of moralistic dumbarse that are to stupid to figure out how turn off sigs to protect their delicate sensibilities, and to lazy to monitor what their children see. It ain't societies responsibility to raise them it is yours. Anything I have ever seen on this forum is tame compared to the Guess Jeans ads that regularly run on broadcast TV, so I fail to see what the big deal with anyone?s sig was.
Personally I find the racist and sometimes backward arse opinions I have seen posted by some of those that seem to think they have the moral high ground on this much more offensive than a little boobies, but I don't lobby Frey and the other admins to squelch their speech and opinions.
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No sh*t sherlocks, this is private property and those that pay the bills can do whatever they like. But I am still sick of moralistic dumbarse that are to stupid to figure out how turn of sigs to protect their delicate sensibilities, and to lazy to monitor what their children see. It ain't societies responsibility to raise them it is yours. Anything I have ever seen on this forum is tame compared to the Guess Jeans ads that regularly run on broadcast TV, so I fail to see what the big deal with anyone?s sig was.
Personally I find the racist and sometimes backward arse opinions I have seen posted by some of those that seem to think they have the moral high ground on this much more offensive than a little boobies, but I don't lobby Frey and the other admins to squelch their speech and opinions.
Baby, if you weren't already in my stable I'd marry ya!
Good post, couldn't have said it better myself.
:-*
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Good posting Kroma
I have to admit, that I wasn't overly fond of Tracey's new signature pic...
However, I can make choices as not to look at what I don't like.
I am a little angry that I have now been stripped of that choice.
I can't believe that a cartoon is causing so much uproar...
Especially since any day of the week you can go to the freakin grocery store and see women with pants so low you can see their short and curlies.
I'm sorry.. scrolling past Kromas grand tutu'd derrier just isn't the same for me...
I do acknowledge respect for the fact that Tracey did remove the picture.
Kudo's to you for that Tracey.
But unfair that there had to be a big uproar all the same...
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Good posting Kroma
I have to admit, that I wasn't overly fond of Tracey's new signature pic...
However, I can make choices as not to look at what I don't like.
I am a little angry that I have now been stripped of that choice.
I can't believe that a cartoon is causing so much uproar...
Especially since any day of the week you can go to the freakin grocery store and see women with pants so low you can see their short and curlies.
I'm sorry.. scrolling past Kromas grand tutu'd derrier just isn't the same for me...
I do acknowledge respect for the fact that Tracey did remove the picture.
Kudo's to you for that Tracey.
But unfair that there had to be a big uproar all the same...
I need to start shopping at your grocery store. Funny thing is there is more uproar about the censorship than the censored material. LOL
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Especially since any day of the week you can go to the freakin grocery store and see women with pants so low you can see their short and curlies.
Ummm, which freakin grocery store do you go to?
Mine has hirsute mothers with screaming (screaming... screaming.... will they never stop?) children and old folks who either can't figure out the 12 items or less line (hint: if you have a shopping cart you are probably in the wrong line) or they are arguing with the clerk about out of date coupons.
The next hottie with low cut jeans I see will be the first... and I've been hanging around the "long cylindrical vegetables" aisle waiting for them!
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Funny thing is there is more uproar about the censorship than the censored material. LOL
Hehe, yeah. I think most of us have found this whole censorship/anti-censorship discussion more offensive than the actual image in question :lol:
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Funny thing is there is more uproar about the censorship than the censored material. LOL
Hehe, yeah. I think most of us have found this whole censorship/anti-censorship discussion more offensive than the actual image in question :lol:
Actually the "censorship" is offensive, not the discussion about the issue or the original censored material. I never found the expression of displeasure over the origal material offensive either, just behind the scences lobbying and the caving to it as offensive.
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I dont think the issue here is someone being offended by..a picture.
Regards
Villa
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Personally I find the racist and sometimes backward arse opinions I have seen posted by some of those that seem to think they have the moral high ground on this much more offensive than a little boobies, but I don't lobby Frey and the other admins to squelch their speech and opinions.
Would you prefer I ask "where da green woman at?" ;D
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For some reason Dizzy, I havent been able to see your edited versions yet, only part of the pic displays. Your orion pic displays fine though, dont know why.
Im not an expert with pics, so I'm unsure how to retain bitmap quality when I convert to a smaller file size as either gif or jpeg. You prolly cant see them cuz they arnt 56k friendly. They are nearly 1MB each.
Want them emailed? If so, I need a pic of you backside. I have the front down pat. ;)
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Personally I find the racist and sometimes backward arse opinions I have seen posted by some of those that seem to think they have the moral high ground on this much more offensive than a little boobies, but I don't lobby Frey and the other admins to squelch their speech and opinions.
Would you prefer I ask "where da green woman at?" ;D
I would prefer you ask, "where the green lizards at?"
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I dont think the issue here is someone being offended by..a picture.
Regards
Villa
It was more fun argueing about the morality of pay-to-play.
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I dont think the issue here is someone being offended by..a picture.
Regards
Villa
It was more fun argueing about the morality of pay-to-play.
oh God, not that again :banghead:
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I dont think the issue here is someone being offended by..a picture.
Regards
Villa
It was more fun argueing about the morality of pay-to-play.
Kudos to you, Cleaven, for recognising it as a moral issue.
'Kudos'... a word not often used in Australia. I find it quite a strange word actually...
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Funny thing is there is more uproar about the censorship than the censored material. LOL
Hehe, yeah. I think most of us have found this whole censorship/anti-censorship discussion more offensive than the actual image in question :lol:
Actually the "censorship" is offensive, not the discussion about the issue or the original censored material. I never found the expression of displeasure over the origal material offensive either, just behind the scences lobbying and the caving to it as offensive.
I am not sure about the US, but in Australia there are censorship laws as well. Most TV censorship laws apply to those times during children viewing hours. After 9:30PM, virtually anything goes though. In the media, you can pick up magazines, not in plastic, off the shelf, that contain soft porn, but you do have to be over 18 to buy them. Advertising laws are an interesting one though. There was an infamous picture taken one summer of two police officers, a male and a female, walking their 'beat' along a beachside pathway. Behind them was a large billboard advertising suntan lotion about 15 feet high. The 15 foot picture was a full length completely naked female viewed from behind standing at the beach. The beach was not a nudist beach and was in fact an inner city popular beach frequented by all age groups. I guess censorship laws are a bit different here to those in the US.
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What upsets as much a the censorship aspect of this is the sheer hypocrisy of the whole thing.
These people are mortally offended by a pair of cartoon breasts, But have no objection to belonging to an organization that practices simulated war,murder and conquest.
I'm not by any means "Super Christan" but i believe this violates doctrine and acceptable Christan behavior as well.
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What upsets as much a the censorship aspect of this is the sheer hypocrisy of the whole thing.
These people are mortally offended by a pair of cartoon breasts, But have no objection to belonging to an organization that practices simulated war,murder and conquest.
I'm not by any means "Super Christan" but i believe this violates doctrine and acceptable Christan behavior as well.
Mortally offended - is that where you die of embarrassment?
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What upsets as much a the censorship aspect of this is the sheer hypocrisy of the whole thing.
These people are mortally offended by a pair of cartoon breasts, But have no objection to belonging to an organization that practices simulated war,murder and conquest.
I'm not by any means "Super Christan" but i believe this violates doctrine and acceptable Christan behavior as well.
Mortally offended - is that where you die of embarrassment?
No its where you can't live with the fact, you cant force your view points on sombody else.
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What upsets as much a the censorship aspect of this is the sheer hypocrisy of the whole thing.
These people are mortally offended by a pair of cartoon breasts, But have no objection to belonging to an organization that practices simulated war,murder and conquest.
I'm not by any means "Super Christan" but i believe this violates doctrine and acceptable Christan behavior as well.
Mortally offended - is that where you die of embarrassment?
No its where you can't live with the fact, you cant force your view points on sombody else.
I wonder if it can be treated with drugs?
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Cleaven, you know it was a typo lol
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Oh, I'm not ragging on Ravok. Not at all. I agree with him and share his viewpoint, making light of those who would disagree with him. You'd have to be a bit stupid if you didn't realise that the politically correct are no friends of mine.
Truly stupid.
Did I mention you'd also have to be pretty dumb to think that?
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Funny thing is there is more uproar about the censorship than the censored material. LOL
Hehe, yeah. I think most of us have found this whole censorship/anti-censorship discussion more offensive than the actual image in question :lol:
Actually the "censorship" is offensive, not the discussion about the issue or the original censored material. I never found the expression of displeasure over the origal material offensive either, just behind the scences lobbying and the caving to it as offensive.
I am not sure about the US, but in Australia there are censorship laws as well. Most TV censorship laws apply to those times during children viewing hours. After 9:30PM, virtually anything goes though. In the media, you can pick up magazines, not in plastic, off the shelf, that contain soft porn, but you do have to be over 18 to buy them. Advertising laws are an interesting one though. There was an infamous picture taken one summer of two police officers, a male and a female, walking their 'beat' along a beachside pathway. Behind them was a large billboard advertising suntan lotion about 15 feet high. The 15 foot picture was a full length completely naked female viewed from behind standing at the beach. The beach was not a nudist beach and was in fact an inner city popular beach frequented by all age groups. I guess censorship laws are a bit different here to those in the US.
Not that different, at least in regards to how your sig would have been treated. Local standards are considered, but I doubt that your sig would have been censored even in the most backward part of the bible belt.
Ravok, lol at your point about being offended of breasts but not war. It reminds me of an old Steve Martian bit, where he laments not being able to say the word f**k on TV when it was ok to say the work kill, since f**king brings about life and killing ends it (a much more offensive act). He suggested dubbing all the old westerns, "I'm going to f**K you Sheriff, and I'm going to f**k you slow." (in a John Wayne accent of course)
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:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup: Thanks Kroma Thanks Cleaven.
Its just a shame we can't have a little fun with each other. :( :( :( ( On the boards that is... :-[ :-[)
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Hell, I play in the nude anyways....
;D
Ouch!!!! that is a mental picture I did not need..... :o ;D
Tracy, it's probably best you pulled the sig. But people do need to lighten up a little....
jd
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Kroma is p0rn.
How did I miss this the first time?
+ Karma for you Green for finally having the courage to admit that I turn you on. <snicker>
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Kroma is p0rn.
How did I miss this the first time?
+ Karma for you Green for finally having the courage to admit that I turn you on. <snicker>
:banghead: omg Kroma..... :rant: That pic is soooo revolting it's funny :smackhead: but in a really.... really... REAALY gross way :P
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Kroma is p0rn.
How did I miss this the first time?
+ Karma for you Green for finally having the courage to admit that I turn you on. <snicker>
::vomits:: (http://tsbolton.com/wavs/Vomit.wav)
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Gee, my - karma's bigger and I hardly said anythin'! I wonder who I ticked off... <snicker> ;D
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I am not sure about the US, but in Australia there are censorship laws as well. Most TV censorship laws apply to those times during children viewing hours. After 9:30PM, virtually anything goes though. In the media, you can pick up magazines, not in plastic, off the shelf, that contain soft porn, but you do have to be over 18 to buy them. Advertising laws are an interesting one though. There was an infamous picture taken one summer of two police officers, a male and a female, walking their 'beat' along a beachside pathway. Behind them was a large billboard advertising suntan lotion about 15 feet high. The 15 foot picture was a full length completely naked female viewed from behind standing at the beach. The beach was not a nudist beach and was in fact an inner city popular beach frequented by all age groups. I guess censorship laws are a bit different here to those in the US.
Yeah, I remember being in Germany for two years and watching "Tutti Frutti" on Friday or saturday nights. It was actually a strip tease game show, and there were cute gals in skimpy suits (who bared their tops a lot) posing as fruit. You would have to be there. I preferred the Strawberry and the Kiwi.
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OK What did I miss? ... ::)
Hey, where's Tracey's new cool (hubba hubba) sig ? ? ? ... ???
And why is Kroma's sig even uglier than I remember? ? ? ? ? ? ... :o
Oh ... OK ... Got it ... ;D
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Gee, my - karma's bigger and I hardly said anythin'! I wonder who I ticked off... <snicker> ;D
me too ??? wonder who I've... wel, possibly one person I know I may have made angry with me, he might even have done it twice as last I knew my Effective Karma was 0, now it is -2!
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I am not sure about the US, but in Australia there are censorship laws as well. Most TV censorship laws apply to those times during children viewing hours. After 9:30PM, virtually anything goes though. In the media, you can pick up magazines, not in plastic, off the shelf, that contain soft porn, but you do have to be over 18 to buy them. Advertising laws are an interesting one though. There was an infamous picture taken one summer of two police officers, a male and a female, walking their 'beat' along a beachside pathway. Behind them was a large billboard advertising suntan lotion about 15 feet high. The 15 foot picture was a full length completely naked female viewed from behind standing at the beach. The beach was not a nudist beach and was in fact an inner city popular beach frequented by all age groups. I guess censorship laws are a bit different here to those in the US.
Yeah, I remember being in Germany for two years and watching "Tutti Frutti" on Friday or saturday nights. It was actually a strip tease game show, and there were cute gals in skimpy suits (who bared their tops a lot) posing as fruit. You would have to be there. I preferred the Strawberry and the Kiwi.
I was in Germany for 3 weeks back in '89 I think it was might have been '90 and I managed to see that show.....(good sense of timing I guess. ;)) It made quite an impression.
Hereare some pics for you Zeppa
(http://img.stern.de/_content/51/85/518556/CinCin500_500.jpg)
(http://www.rtl.de/galerie/dev/shows/20jahre/tuttifrutti/tuttifrutti14.jpg)
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I got to travel all over the world when i was in the USAF and with the exception of Japan, this has to be one of the most up tight country's in the world.
I have seen commercials that would give 1/3 of our population an apoletic fit. I have never understood why our bodies are considered evil, When you can see 10 people a night on prime time TV be killed.
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Simulated orgasm is perfectly acceptable on dinnertime North American television though... (Clairol commercials) :banghead:
Quebec is the exception to the tighty whitie attitude that dominates North American culture. I think that kind of supression is unhealthy. Sex dominates North American culture yet we are the most uptight about it, very unhealthy... Older less infantile cultures are more flamboyant about sex but more laissez faire about it too.
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Older less infantile cultures are more flamboyant about sex but more laissez faire about it too.
I wonder how many of these people are dyin' from terminal STD's...
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I for one, could care less about someone posting a cartoon pic with ta-ta's a showing. Now if she had posted real pics of her breasts....send them to me first! :o ;D
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Our sources seem to contradict eachother 'cuz all the info I've found makes it sound like Europe is ate up with STD's, which just goes to show that...
SEX KILLS!!! :lol:
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Then I must be dead! :'( Poor me...and I was such a nice guy!
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Then I must be dead! :'( Poor me...and I was such a nice guy!
Uh...that was a joke... ;)
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
You're misinterpreting the Taliban as being an actual religious organization. Their so-called "faith" is merely a front and justification for world conquest and murder, kinda like the Catholic Crusades of the Dark Ages.
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
You're misinterpreting the Taliban as being an actual religious organization. Their so-called "faith" is merely a front and justification for world conquest and murder, kinda like the Catholic Crusades of the Dark Ages.
Your misunderstanding which aspects of their philosophy I am referring to. I never mentioned religion just ideology. The similarity between the 2 stands.
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
It disengenous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...
The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...
This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...
And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip. >:(
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First of all, Crim, there is favorable bigotry. Haven't you read any of Hunter Thompsons novels?
Second, take your trigger happy fingers off the 'lock thread' button. You lock too many already. There should be a lock thread limitation per admin per week.
Third, I agree this entire thread is off track. <GASP> I agree with crim! WTF did the taliban and christian folks enter the fray? You know what? Dont answer that.
Fourth, I will get this thread back on track with once again publishing the before and after pics of Traceys Breast enlargement surgery, of which I can neither confirm nor deny. Lets try and get Tracey to pick one of them. She is so stubborn she would rather spite herself and cut off her nose than bow to a few nerdy conservatives. But I have defeated her before... ;) Tracy, just pick one.
Before enlargements:
(http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah.bmp)
After some Silicone good stuff:
(http://home.satx.rr.com/spiderwebs/Trah2.bmp)
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, take your trigger happy fingers off the 'lock thread' button. You lock too many already. There should be a lock thread limitation per admin per week.
Bite me...I havent locked a thread all week... ;D and now I get two for next week :-*
Besides.....Blade said ..and I quote..."dont crash and the forums Crim"....so there...THHHUUUPPPP.... (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~starmada/forum/images/smiles/icon_crazy.gif)
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce STD's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
It disengenous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...
The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...
This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...
It is not only disengenous, it is down a down right lie to say I did. I have never mentioned Christianity, or Islam, or religion at all. It is just that you folks can't seem to separate a discussion of personal morality or scientific facts without reading implications of your creeds into it. You are projecting your religious biases into my words.
And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip. >:(
Sure is, let me know when someone does. The fact remains that the Taliban have a similar take on sexuality and censorship as has been expressed by some here, which is to say that it should be buried and not discussed. The only difference is that here (the US per say) the extremist do not have the same level of control.
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Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)
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Surprisingly enough in developed country's less than here.
The stigma caused by any STD has delayed serious research,and many people don't know enough about them ( Can't talk about that evil sex, or educate about it) And their teen age pregnancy rate is also a lot lower as well.
And your attitude reflects just that. Just because a culture is not uptight about the human body or sexuality does NOT make them more promiscuous, or diseased than this country. ::) ::) ::)
Exactly. Ignorance of sexuality does not reduce Stud's or unwanted pregnancies, it increases them. No matter how many times this is shown scientifically, there are those that prefer to rely of "faith" (which is simply the willing suspension of disbelief) to be there scientific guide. I believe the Taliban follows the same basic philosophy.
It disingenuous to equate moral considerations of pre-marital sex , Pre-adult sex, and monogomy with an ignorance of sexuality...
The implications of a lack of sexual morals can be seen from the young single mother with a toddler and a baby sitting at the bus stop to the highest office of this nation...
This thread is now way off topic and has nothing to do with any D2 servers....IMHO... the issue should be disscussed elsewhere...
It is not only disingenuous, it is down a down right lie to say I did. I have never mentioned Christianity, or Islam, or religion at all. It is just that you folks can't seem to separate a discussion of personal morality or scientific facts without reading implications of your creeds into it. You are projecting your religious biases into my words.
And it simply religious bigotry to equate American Christians with the Talibon....get a frickin grip. >:(
Sure is, let me know when someone does. The fact remains that the Taliban have a similar take on sexuality and censorship as has been expressed by some here, which is to say that it should be buried and not discussed. The only difference is that here (the US per say) the extremist do not have the same level of control.
Well, I suspect to get more negative Karma but here goes...
I do not go to church. I own a bible, but have not read it recently. But I read your post and came to exactly the same conclusion that Crim did.
The truth is, you are more religious than I am. You blindly hold onto YOUR truths without thinking.
You believe that people are going to have sex, no matter what. You believe people are no better than animals and are going to have sex. I believe that we, as human beings can make a choice to have sex or not. To you, that makes me a religious nut. So I must be a right winger or talaban....
I believe that people make choices every day. It's your life.
I dream of one day when you can turn "Jerry Springer" on and some guy will step up and say, " You know, My mom was OK, My dad was OK, I'm just a S4it head..."
It's time to get your head out of the tutu. According to the www.who.int (the world health org) Europe is headed for a Aids problem of biblical proportions. In part due to IV drug use and lack of "safe sex."
You want to stop AIDS? Have people who have AIDS stop giving it to other people. Yes, that means get your A$$ tested and if you are HIV positive, stop having sex or find a partner that is willing to share....
Ok, as recent as 4 years ago this site (***** Warning do not click this unless you are willing to be offended http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/barebacking.html *******) Warned that behavior could very well cause an increase of HIV cases. Guess what? And it's ALL ABOUT THE CHOICES WE MAKE.
Look, I want to take religion out of it and have people make smart choices. But in your eyes, that makes me a religious biggot....
jd
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Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)
Tracey,
I have always enjoyed your sigs. I did not get to see the sig in question. I just wanted to ask, were you trying to "say" something with this sig? Or were you kinda of just seeing "how far you can go."
The reason I asked is, If you were trying to make a statement, then I am inclined to support that strongly. But if you were "just pushing the envelope", I think that question has been answered and we can go home...
I like to see young people who feel strongly about their ideas stand behind them. But I also respect people that realize when they are "jousting at windmills..."
jd
we banned of brothers....
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Why do you pick on Europe for an AIDs problem when you should be looking to Asia and Africa? Sounds pretty bigotted to me.
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Why do you pick on Europe for an AIDs problem when you should be looking to Asia and Africa? Sounds pretty bigotted to me.
Cleaven,
If your responce was to me, Europe was mentioned by someone(leroy?) else as having an STD issue. I just looked up the information.
Africa has a REAL problem that we should not ignore. Actually, the southern part of africa has real problems. North Africa and the middle east is fairly much in line with North America, Europe and North Aisa(China & Japan). Southeast Asia has nearly the same issues as Africa.
I was not trying to "pick" on anyone. I was trying to post within the context of other posters.
jd
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
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Well, Dizzy, I can now see the images, thankyou. The... errr.. 'enahanced' version seems a little out of proportion somehow... but the first one is fine. :-)
Tracey,
I have always enjoyed your sigs. I did not get to see the sig in question. I just wanted to ask, were you trying to "say" something with this sig? Or were you kinda of just seeing "how far you can go."
The reason I asked is, If you were trying to make a statement, then I am inclined to support that strongly. But if you were "just pushing the envelope", I think that question has been answered and we can go home...
I like to see young people who feel strongly about their ideas stand behind them. But I also respect people that realize when they are "jousting at windmills..."
jd
we banned of brothers....
Actually, JD, the answer to your question is far simpler than that. I wasnt really saying anything at all by way of political statement. To be quite honest, call me naive if you will, I never once thought the sig pic contained any contraversy at all. As it stands though, it would appear that the slight discolouration of skin shown in a particular place on a cartoon image does just that. Again, the colour of our skin (and we are not even talking the whole body here) raises its ugly head as an issue of contention.
Currently, the only argument brought to bear, really, against the sig pic is that it is not 'appropriate' or not 'accepted' by society, whichever society that may be. No intrinsic argument has been brought forward, and I can tell you now, it never will be lol. One can make an intrinsic argument about the immorality of murder, no such argument exists for the image of the human body (that in itself suggests something quite serious).
I have never really been one to push the limits of authority simply for the sake of being a rebel. I will push limits if given a justified cause to do so (which probably falls into your first category anyway).
I would challenge anyone to bring forward an intrinsic moral argument aginst the sig pic. I can quite confidantly say now, without arrogance, that it is impossible to do so, but dont take my word for it, try it for yourselves. The arguments made here have all been extrinsic. Arguments quoting religious doctrine are not arguments at all and have zero to do with ethics or logic. Censorship made on intrinsic grounds then in this case, is simply untenable.
So why did I comply then and take down the sig pic? Well, these are not public forums, they are 'owned' by someone. Right or wrong, we reocognise the right of ownership of property and the right of the owner to keep, use, sell, give away or even destroy that property according to their wishes. The sig pic may have contained nothing more than a purple circle, but if the owner does not like purple, they could ask for its removal.
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
Thus is wrong. Asian and African cultures have very strict cultural mores about sex and they have by far the worst problems, specifically with AID's.
Oh so very wrong.
Astoundingly wrong in fact.
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
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Well, I suspect to get more negative Karma but here goes...
I do not go to church. I own a bible, but have not read it recently. But I read your post and came to exactly the same conclusion that Crim did.
Then you came to the same erroneous conclusion. One that is not based in anything but the preconceived notions that our in your own head not my words.
The truth is, you are more religious than I am. You blindly hold onto YOUR truths without thinking.
I have never spoke of my relgiion or anyone elses, so once again you are bring your own biases to this. I have only spoken about ideology and the need of some to inflict their own on others.
You believe that people are going to have sex, no matter what. You believe people are no better than animals and are going to have sex. I believe that we, as human beings can make a choice to have sex or not.
Once again, you are presenting beliefs that I have never espoused and do not have. Where exactly did I say or imply any of this. I not only believe that people can make choices, but should be allowed to make those choices for themselves. That is where our ideologies differ. I am simply not comfortable forcing others into my own ideology, for am I comfortable being forced into anyone else?s.
To you, that makes me a religious nut.
No just a nut. I never brought religion into it. Just the idea that some people want to force their beliefs on to others, which is very much what the Taliban did to the people of Afganistain. The only difference is matters of degree, and the fact that they had the power to do so.
So I must be a right winger or talaban....
If you say so. I never called anyone a right winger or taliban. I simply made a comparison of the needs of some to inflict their own beliefs on to others in much the same way as the talibans need to do the same.
I believe that people make choices every day. It's your life.
I believe this too.
I dream of one day when you can turn "Jerry Springer" on and some guy will step up and say, " You know, My mom was OK, My dad was OK, I'm just a S4it head..."
Me too, but unfortunately as long as we keep blaming pictures of boobies for our own corrupt hearts this will not happen.
It's time to get your head out of the tutu. According to the [url=http://www.who.int]www.who.int[/url] (the world health org) Europe is headed for a Aids problem of biblical proportions. In part due to IV drug use and lack of "safe sex."
And you have jumped to the conclusion that this is do to the fact that they have TV shows that show boobies. If not then I fail to see the relevance.
You want to stop AIDS? Have people who have AIDS stop giving it to other people.
...or have people without it stop getting it from people with it. It is about choices. Much like the choice someone who is offended by a picture of boobies could make by either not viewing them or turning off thier sigs so they would not show up. You are trying to make the choice for someone else, that is what the taliban did. They inflicted their choices on others. I am pretty certain though, that no one ever got AIDS from cartoon boobies. Does the WHO have facts to the contrary?
Yes, that means get your A$$ tested and if you are HIV positive, stop having sex or find a partner that is willing to share....
Ok, as recent as 4 years ago this site (***** Warning do not click this unless you are willing to be offended [url]http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/barebacking.html [/url] *******) Warned that behavior could very well cause an increase of HIV cases. Guess what? And it's ALL ABOUT THE CHOICES WE MAKE.
What does this have to do with cartoon boobies exactly? Are you implying that first it is cartoon boobies, and before you know it you will be having unprotected homosexual intercourse. Talk about your leaps of logic. LOL.
Look, I want to take religion out of it and have people make smart choices.
Then stop making it about religion, I didn't. I believe though you aren't really about having people make choices unless they are the same choices you would make, which isn't choice. That would be control.
But in your eyes, that makes me a religious biggot....
Once again someone is projecting their own beliefs and personel demons into what they want to think I have said. This says more about what you fear you may be than what I said you were. I just want the right to make my own choices, even if they differ from yours, and so long as they cause no harm to others. I don't believe viewing cartoon boobies ever hurt anyone. Does the WHO have differing information on this?
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death.
Pick up a copy of Copi's text on logic. This is not logic dictating anything, it is anecdotal reasoning, big difference.
Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
LeRoy just for the record, you can't get pregnant from viewing cartoon boobies. In fact, viewing of cartoon boobies isn't sex at all, nor is actual viewing of real boobies (I think this is only second base or so, maybe halfway between first and second, if they are real that is).
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If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
An interesting question. I would answer yes I would still hold the same views, that sex is a serious issue for anyone to undertake, regardless of the more dire consequences listed above. It should still only be between consenting adults of sound mind and the abiltiy to make their own choices. And that cartoon boobies are still not pornography, nor the viewing of them sexual.
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
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If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
Could me views become even more debaucherous? ;D
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If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
Could me views become even more debaucherous? ;D
Not unless they got a cure for rabies and distemper in there to boot. Back to the lab I guess.
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I don't believe viewing cartoon boobies ever hurt anyone.
I don't know, but reading your post it seems you have "cartoon boobies" envy....
You only used the word "boobies" 11 times in one post.....
Nothing else of substance...
jd
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All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Yeah that's cool, but I have never been a one set of cartoon boobies kind of guy. I tend to "get around" when it comes to cartoon boobies. I guess that makes me an emotionally bankrupt slut.
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All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Yeah that's cool, but I have never been a one set of cartoon boobies kind of guy. I tend to "get around" when it comes to cartoon boobies. I guess that makes me an emotionally bankrupt slut.
Are ya tryin' to put words in my mouth or are ya just kiddin' around? I'll just presume yer doin' the latter :lol: ;D ;)
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I don't believe viewing cartoon boobies ever hurt anyone.
I don't know, but reading your post it seems you have "cartoon boobies" envy....
You only used the word "boobies" 11 times in one post.....
I just wanted to make sure you recalled what the uproar was over, and what exactly it was that was so dangerous to society that it requires censorship. It appeared that you thought I was having some sort of unprotected anal sex in Tracey's sig from the contents of your post.
Nothing else of substance...
Well nothing that you are capable of (or maybe just "willing to") understanding anyway.
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I'll just presume yer doin' the latter :lol: ;D ;)
You presume right. :P
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So is nudity porno or not? I have a whole bunch of nude pics i wana post. (of me).
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So is nudity porno or not? I have a whole bunch of nude pics i wana post. (of me).
No
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When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
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So is nudity porno or not? I have a whole bunch of nude pics i wana post. (of me).
Sure, go ahead, post your baby pics, but please, no diaper changing pics.
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Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
That is the real question at hand here. I know what the Taliban would answer.
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So is nudity porno or not? I have a whole bunch of nude pics i wana post. (of me).
If I ain't mistaken that you be illegal do to your age, and would thus be considered child pornography even if the pictures did not depict sexual acts.
Kroma,
PS, Anyone want to see a picture of me in a diaper. Just give me the word and I'll break out the digital camera and leftover diapers (my 3 year old just graduated to panties, but we still have a small supply of Princess pullups).
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When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
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Ok, Tracy, pic one of those pics and ill delete the other from my site. I need the space. Thanks for the praise, it was all my pleasure. I'll take my knife to you anytime. ;)
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Sure, go ahead, post your baby pics, but please, no diaper changing pics.
Uhm... well... I was talking about current ones. ;)
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The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
Then by your own argument, legislation in regard to marriage laws of any kind, be they monogamous, same sex or polygamous is contrary to your viewpoint. Furthermore, legislation in regard to nudity also falls by the wayside. Well done, you have taken the position of a true libertarian, I salute your astuteness for throwing off the shackles of your society's brainwashing ;D
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Sure, go ahead, post your baby pics, but please, no diaper changing pics.
Uhm... well... I was talking about current ones. ;)
So are we... :popcorn:
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I mean like ones taken a few days ago...
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When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
Tracy i seriously doubt it. I got negative 6 Karma for just voicing my opinion.
Kind of shows you the mindset of these people when differing opinions on a subject, are subject to reprisals.
The same goes For Le Roy and others who don't support my position and getting negative Karma. What we cant have a discussion like adults with out somebody acting like a baby? :P
Giving out negative Karma for reasons like this are plain childish.
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I got -93 for it... the other one... well I was being an ass :D
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When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
:goodpost: I feel exactly the same way.
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
Yes.
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So no one cares about my nude pics? ah well...
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Well put, JD and Crim. Religion aside, logic dictates that a lax attitude toward sex inevitably leads to various hardships such as teen-age parenthood, chronic disease, and ,in the worst case, death. Unfortunately for the poor people involved, numerous instances have demonstrated that sex quite literally can kill. I'll grant you, Kroma, ignorance concerning sex doesn't prevent any of these things, but may actually aggravate the situation in many cases. In fact, I refuse to have any sort of sexual intercourse outside of marriage just because I'm familiar with the subject and am well aware of the potential consequences of sex, both good and ill. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that knowledge about sex translates directly into iron-clad protection from the repercussions thereof. Sex is a wonderful thing and it has its purpose, but, like anything else, if it's treated too lightly someone's gonna get hurt one way or the other.
If tomorrow, a new wonder drug was invented that removed the threat of all sexually transmissable disease and a foolproof method of complete birth control made available to absolutely every single person on this planet, would you still hold the same views?
Yes.
I agree with Crim, and here's why.
Even if there was a foolproof method of birth control (besides celibacy), there still wouldn't be a foolproof disease blocker.
So no one cares about my nude pics? ah well...
as long as they ain't of you, post away! ;D
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
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So no one cares about my nude pics? ah well...
While you are a fine young man Sky. You are the wrong sex . :P :P :P
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What if I had the little black bar?
Nevermind, it would cover 99% of the screen :D
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
This is another whole ball game and falls into the rather large field of Developmental Psychology, which is not exactly a true science. All kinds of anthropological and social issues play a role here as well.
I am reminded of a short science fiction story I read once about an entire civilisation who lived underground because the surface had been poisoned. Over time, nature reclaimed the planet and it became habitable, however, the occupants of the underground cities continued to live underground having been 'brought up' in a culture where it was considered 'taboo' to go outside. When finally the disidants won out against this seemingly arbitrary crime and reached the surfaced... they all went mad. They had never seen sky before, nor had they ever been in a room that did not have a ceiling or four walls. The sight of limitless space had become incomprehensible to their senses and they had difficulty adapting, similar to space sickness where astronauts lose their bearings without an up and down reference point.
We are just as much a product of our cultural socialisation as we are og genetic inheritence... its not nature vs. nurture but a combination of both. Of course, these are all extrinsic arguments though.
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When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
You are almost all the way there LeRoy. Now would you allow them to not only hold those views and demonstrate in support of them, but actually live by them? Thus is it not only OK to want to look at cartoon boobies and protest the right to cartoon boobies, but actually look at cartoon boobies.
Hey JD since we know you are counting instead of making the intrinsic moral arguments (just as was predicted) that makes 3 more.
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So no one cares about my nude pics? ah well...
Listen here kid. You better not have any nude pics, and you better not be showing people if you do !!!!
At least wait until you are legal, and make sure you know who (and what) you are sending them to !
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Tequila?
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So no one cares about my nude pics? ah well...
www.nambla.org (http://www.nambla.org)
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Tequila?
Trust me, the protection it affords is temporary.
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Tequila?
Trust me, the protection it affords is temporary.
Then drink more
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You are almost all the way there LeRoy. Now would you allow them to not only hold those views and demonstrate in support of them, but actually live by them? Thus is it not only OK to want to look at cartoon boobies and protest the right to cartoon boobies, but actually look at cartoon boobies.
Hey JD since we know you are counting instead of making the intrinsic moral arguments (just as was predicted) that makes 3 more.
Kroma,
No one is impinging your right to ogle at cartoon boobies. The discussion is is it right to post them in a public forum.
The reason I asked Tracey if she was trying to make a point with the sig is if she was, then you can make the point that her sig could be considered protected speech. Therefor worthy of strong protection.
So now you want me to make "intrinsic moral arguments"? If I attempt to make a moral case, you are simply going to position me as someone attempting to push my own morality on the rest of the group. The funny thing is it's you who are attempting to force your moral code on the rest of the group.
Like it or not, society has developed an acceptable moral code. In a mixed community like this, you often have to step down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, It was likely the dominate moral code in the USA.
Suggestion, if you really want to ogle cartoon boobies, Ask Frey if you can create a separate forum for that. Like the Flame forum at sfc2.net. Restrict access to those who want it...
jd
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Tequila?
Trust me, the protection it affords is temporary.
Then drink more
Figures you would recommend the "hair of the dog".
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No one is impinging your right to ogle at cartoon boobies. The discussion is is it right to post them in a public forum.
Wrong the discussion was about whether it is right to lobby for the censorship of others, whose views differ from your own. Especailly in light of the excersising of those views caused no harm to anyone, and there was a simple method for those that didn't like viewing cartoon boobies to avaoid it. As I have said before, I am not against anyone saying they don't care for it or are offended by it, as many things I have seen here offend me, but I am against people trying to restrict my actions and the actions of others when those actions cause no harm to anyone, but just offend their personnel tastes.
The reason I asked Tracey if she was trying to make a point with the sig is if she was, then you can make the point that her sig could be considered protected speech. Therefor worthy of strong protection.
All speech should be protected, with the sole exclusion of child pronography.
So now you want me to make "intrinsic moral arguments"? If I attempt to make a moral case, you are simply going to position me as someone attempting to push my own morality on the rest of the group. The funny thing is it's you who are attempting to force your moral code on the rest of the group.
Replace moral with logical. The result is the same. I have never attempted to force my own moral code on anyone. I have sent no PMs to admins requesting anything be removed from the forum. So how exactly have I attempted to force my moral code on the group? What means of force or coercion have I employed? Your logical conclusions escape me, let's see if I can work it out from your perspective
Kroma likes viewing cartoon boobies.
JD thinks cartoon boobies are bad.
Kroma is forcing JD to view nasty cartoon boobie.
Like it or not, society has developed an acceptable moral code. In a mixed community like this, you often have to step down to the lowest common denominator. In this case, It was likely the dominate moral code in the USA.
Wrong, I have seen much worse on national television and on the billboards attached to Buess on public streets. Christ, I had to see Sipowits (sp?) butt for crying out load.
Suggestion, if you really want to ogle cartoon boobies, Ask Frey if you can create a separate forum for that. Like the Flame forum at sfc2.net. Restrict access to those who want it...
So if someone else complains about another aspect of someones sig that they find personnelly offensive, even though it doesn't meet the criteria for being pornographic they need to have a separate forum? What if I just don't like their type? Where exactly do we draw the line? What if I find all tight fitting clothing objectionable? What if I find their speech and ideas objectionable, should they be censored?
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Like the Flame forum at sfc2.net.
This was a good example though, I personnally found the content of that forum to have crossed the line of what I want to view. I excersised my right to choose not to view it any longer, but I didn't attempt to inflict my chocie on anyone else. That is me making choices and allowing others to make their own.
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Well anybody who wants to look at Tracy G's sig pic can come over to the KBF Great Hall.
I had it framed, enlarged, and hung it on the wall over the fire place.
:notworthy:
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The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
Then by your own argument, legislation in regard to marriage laws of any kind, be they monogamous, same sex or polygamous is contrary to your viewpoint. Furthermore, legislation in regard to nudity also falls by the wayside. Well done, you have taken the position of a true libertarian, I salute your astuteness for throwing off the shackles of your society's brainwashing ;D
Well, as far as legislation concerning marriage and sexuality on a national level goes, I'm against it. The central government's function is to protect the states from foreign invasion and domestic disturbances. Marriage and morality have traditionally lied within the realm of local government (state, county, municipal) and should remain that way.
When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
You are almost all the way there LeRoy. Now would you allow them to not only hold those views and demonstrate in support of them, but actually live by them? Thus is it not only OK to want to look at cartoon boobies and protest the right to cartoon boobies, but actually look at cartoon boobies.
Seeing as how I'm in no position of ultimate authority, it's not within my capacity to make a conclusive ruling one way or the other. However, hypothetically, if I was in Frey's position I would require that Tracey's KCW sig pic be amended, revised, or removed in order to keep the forum family friendly. Most parents would not approve of their children coming across imagery of scantily clad individuals while talking about their favorite computer game with other people on an on line forum. There's any number of awkward situations that can arise from someone unwittingly scrolling past an image like Tracey's KCW sig pic while someone else that happens to intolerant of such imagery happens to be watching. In a leadership position it would be my responsibility to prevent such incidents and make my product appealing to the widest cross section of society as possible.
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What if I had the little black bar?
Nevermind, it would cover 99% of the screen :D
Wow
I didn't know anyone browsed these forums on their cell phone...
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Well anybody who wants to look at Tracy G's sig pic can come over to the KBF Great Hall.
I had it framed, enlarged, and hung it on the wall over the fire place.
:notworthy:
:goodpost: :dance:
(http://www.louvre.fr/img/photos/collec/peint/grande/rf1569.jpg)
It's Porn?
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The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
Then by your own argument, legislation in regard to marriage laws of any kind, be they monogamous, same sex or polygamous is contrary to your viewpoint. Furthermore, legislation in regard to nudity also falls by the wayside. Well done, you have taken the position of a true libertarian, I salute your astuteness for throwing off the shackles of your society's brainwashing ;D
Well, as far as legislation concerning marriage and sexuality on a national level goes, I'm against it. The central government's function is to protect the states from foreign invasion and domestic disturbances. Marriage and morality have traditionally lied within the realm of local government (state, county, municipal) and should remain that way.
Wow! A little libraterian in the making.
When pigs fly I'll let ya know ;)
All kidding aside, though, my personality and beliefs tend toward monogamy regardless of any sort of wonder drugs and preventative measures. I would prefer to remain faithful to the same mate for the full duration of my natural life. To me it's a more appealing, fulfilling, and life-affirming lifestyle and it's what I look forward to in my future. Of course, that's just me and I don't expect anyone to act and believe just like me. As far as anyone else is concerned, to each his own as long as the way of life that I adhere to is not endangered and my right to disagree is not infringed upon. In brief: no, my views would not change because there are many results of sex that exist outside of the physical and lie within the emotional, and there's no possible wonder drug that can fix hurt feelings and emotional scarring.
Now enough is of this mushy philosophical nonsense. Let's git back to our regularly scheduled flamin' and killin' eachother on the Dyna ;D
Good point you make here, although would you permit others who hold disimilar views to freely voice and demonstrate such views in public?
The mere act of demonstration on the part of an opposing crowd in no way endangers my way of life, thus I wouldn't care if they demonstrated 'till they were blue in the face. However, the big rub comes in if said opposing group seeks to legislate against my way of life. It's at that point when I come out swingin'... with my voter registration card.
You are almost all the way there LeRoy. Now would you allow them to not only hold those views and demonstrate in support of them, but actually live by them? Thus is it not only OK to want to look at cartoon boobies and protest the right to cartoon boobies, but actually look at cartoon boobies.
Seeing as how I'm in no position of ultimate authority, it's not within my capacity to make a conclusive ruling one way or the other. However, hypothetically, if I was in Frey's position I would require that Tracey's KCW sig pic be amended, revised, or removed in order to keep the forum family friendly. Most parents would not approve of their children coming across imagery of scantily clad individuals while talking about their favorite computer game with other people on an on line forum. There's any number of awkward situations that can arise from someone unwittingly scrolling past an image like Tracey's KCW sig pic while someone else that happens to intolerant of such imagery happens to be watching. In a leadership position it would be my responsibility to prevent such incidents and make my product appealing to the widest cross section of society as possible.
And then the other shoe dropped. So the only thing that keeps you from deciding for society what is and isn't in it's best interest, is the fact that you don't have the power and authority to do so, and not because you think others should be able to make their own choices on how to live and what to view. "Awkward" situations are not "harmful" situations, and the definition of what is "awkward" for one person may be completely different for another, but since no one to my knowledge has ever been harmed from feeling "awkward" there is no reason to censor. It is your responsibility to not place your self in "awkward" positions if they cause you that much personnel angst, not societies. That is about you making decision for yourself, like turning off your sigs so that you don't unwittingly scroll past something that might make you feel awkward.
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IMHO this will never be settled. There are as many differing opinions as there are people. The primary reason is that everyone prefers to do as they choose to do things as they see fit. Any attempt to suggest a "standard" wheather based upon "moral reasoning" or even cultural differences is frequently met with opposition.
AGAIN ... just MHO ... but I think what some have suggested is to use restraint or modesty ( does not mean have the afore said Tracy G in a flannel night gown or a full length dress to the ground like my great grand mother use to wear) ... but it is perhaps out of respect to others.. and their opinions as well as the opinions of those who prefer the nude version.. that we simply try to get along with each other.
Some where in here Tracy mentioned that there was obviously a cultural difference. Yes, Tracy there is. There are also sharp differences here in the States as you can very well see. If ya choose to remodel the pict should there be some restraint used ... yes! How much ?? again here come the opinions ... and here folk is where we have to simply say ... please use a little "discretionary judgement" and try not to use this as another whipping stone. ( Okie Ol Buzzard digs in and expects to see the negative carma thingy going some where off the scale) ..
just my 2 cents worth
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You could put a chador on that pic and there would still be people here who would complain about how their rights are being infringed by immoral people.
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I can clearly see the testicles on that buzzard!! Censor him!!!!!!
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I can clearly see the testicles on that buzzard!! Censor him!!!!!!
Naaaa, thats just a K'tinga, it has no balls :P
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(http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/Smileys/default/011.gif) ... ooh, the tension ...
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I can clearly see the testicles on that buzzard!! Censor him!!!!!!
Naaaa, thats just a K'tinga, it has no balls :P
As opposed to the "flying hotel" Galaxy? ::)
It takes real knobbies to fly an Eagle :thumbsup:
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Listen here kid. You better not have any nude pics, and you better not be showing people if you do !!!!
LoL...
BTW The bar would cover most of the picture... ;)
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No one is impinging your right to ogle at cartoon boobies. The discussion is is it right to post them in a public forum.
Wrong the discussion was about whether it is right to lobby for the censorship of others, whose views differ from your own. Especailly in light of the excersising of those views caused no harm to anyone, and there was a simple method for those that didn't like viewing cartoon boobies to avaoid it. As I have said before, I am not against anyone saying they don't care for it or are offended by it, as many things I have seen here offend me, but I am against people trying to restrict my actions and the actions of others when those actions cause no harm to anyone, but just offend their personnel tastes.
So your answer is to censor the people you view as censoring others?
They have every right to their ideas.
You claimed I was offended by cartoon boobies, I was not. If you read my posts to Tracy, you might see that. I just defend the right of people on both sides.
I just find your "cartoon boobie" feddish amazing.
jd
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No one is impinging your right to ogle at cartoon boobies. The discussion is is it right to post them in a public forum.
Wrong the discussion was about whether it is right to lobby for the censorship of others, whose views differ from your own. Especailly in light of the excersising of those views caused no harm to anyone, and there was a simple method for those that didn't like viewing cartoon boobies to avaoid it. As I have said before,I am not against anyone saying they don't care for it or are offended by it, as many things I have seen here offend me, but I am against people trying to restrict my actions and the actions of others when those actions cause no harm to anyone, but just offend their personnel tastes.
So your answer is to censor the people you view as censoring others?
They have every right to their ideas.
Honestly a course in reading comprehension might be in order. I have repeatable said that they have a right to their opinion and to voice them. I was speaking theoretically about my feeling that it is wrong for others to attempt to "lobby" or "restrict" my or anyone?s else actions where they cause no real harm to others. You are correct though that they have a right to their ideas, just not a right to force me to live by their ideology. Is it really that difficult for you to understand the difference? Are you being deliberately obtuse?
You claimed I was offended by cartoon boobies, I was not. If you read my posts to Tracy, you might see that. I just defend the right of people on both sides.
I don't recall ever saying that you specifically were offended by boobies. If I did please point it out. You appear to just make stuff up. Probably because you have such a weak argument you feel the need to embellish. Much like accussing me labeling you or anyone a "religious biggot". I did no such thing. If you have some sort of personnel issues or self doubts, please stop projecting them into my words. They are not my words they are your words and feelings.
I just find your "cartoon boobie" feddish amazing.
Now you claim I have a feddish? Is this based on facts that you have, or are you just making crap up again? I wasn't the one counting the number of times the phrase was repeated. Sounds like maybe you have the feddish. More likely it was just easier than actually addressing the ?substance" of the post.
Now most of this argument over censorship has gone beyond what occurred here, and has veered into a larger discussion on it. As Oldbuzzard stated, it would be nice if we had respect for each other. If those that were so offended by Tracey pic had just asked her to change it a bit, I am guessing she would have done so out of respect for them. In fact she did remove it out of respect. It is just unfortunate and annoying that she wasn't afford a measure of respect by them in that they felt they needed to go behind her bask to register a complaint.
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Willpower.
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My point is more...
"There is no such thing as a condom for your emotions"... ;)
Willpower.
Well that requires personal responsibility. It is much easier to say "the Devil (or cartoon boobies) made me do it". <snicker>
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Dizzy, you may delete the second pic (the one with disproprtional enhancement) and retain the first. I appreciate the offer of hosting my sig pic and will take you up on that for the duration of KCW. Thankyou. I have restored the sig pic sans coloured pixels in my profile. Lets see what happens now.
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You are most welcome. Deleting the... 'enhanced' version. ;)
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Wow, 8 pages for cartoon boobies !! What is this world coming to ?
Oh and the correct spelling is fettish. I guess someone had "double D's" on their mind when they posted. LOL
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Now you claim I have a feddish?
Ummm ... Kroma ... hate to say this, but you do have a fetish. Gimp suits, tutus, the color pink, the list goes on and on.
Recognizing your denial is only step one. You have 11 more steps to go. But don't worry, we are here to help. ;)
Oh, and I'm glad to see Tracey's pic back. To be honest ... I never saw the satanic areola in the original pic. But then again, my eyesight isn't what it use to be.
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Wow, 8 pages for cartoon boobies !! What is this world coming to ?
Oh and the correct spelling is fettish. I guess someone had "double D's" on their mind when they posted. LOL
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No, the correct spelling is fetish. -1 Karma cuz u cand speel. ;)
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Thanks for only " -1", Dizzy. :)
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Oh and the correct spelling is fettish. I guess someone had "double D's" on their mind when they posted. LOL
Hey I just cut and pasted "feddish" from JD's post. I assumed he meant it as spelled. You know how those Klingons are always bitching about the D2 being all fed[/color]dish, as in Fed like. Guessing the Klinks thought those boobies were detremental to their honor or something.
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Thanks for only " -1", Dizzy. :)
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Dumbass. Look at your karma. I didnt give you a minus. If I gave u a minus, 0 - 1 = -1. Since you are still at 0, I didnt give you any karma. However, -1 Karma cuz you obviously cant add either. And thanks for the negative karma bump for me. ;) At least you can do that.
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Don't you dummies know karma is best evaluated as the absolute value of the 2 added together. As Kroma says "all publicity is good publicity". Means they are paying attention.
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Hey maybe Tracey was just promoting good health through exercise.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=2&u=/nm/20040923/od_nm/odd_yoga_dc
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Nudists, grab your yoga mats
Metal note: do not by used yoga mats from nudists... ;D
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Nudists, grab your yoga mats
Metal note: do not by used yoga mats from nudists... ;D
:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup: Yuck! :P
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Thanks for only " -1", Dizzy. :)
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Dumbass. Look at your karma. I didnt give you a minus. If I gave u a minus, 0 - 1 = -1. Since you are still at 0, I didnt give you any karma. However, -1 Karma cuz you obviously cant add either. And thanks for the negative karma bump for me. ;) At least you can do that.
Jeez, lighten up, Dizzy !
I could care less about my karma, and I don't know anything about your negative karma.
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Thanks for only " -1", Dizzy. :)
Wraith 413
Dumbass. Look at your karma. I didnt give you a minus. If I gave u a minus, 0 - 1 = -1. Since you are still at 0, I didnt give you any karma. However, -1 Karma cuz you obviously cant add either. And thanks for the negative karma bump for me. ;) At least you can do that.
Jeez, lighten up, Dizzy !
I could care less about my karma, and I don't know anything about your negative karma.
Wraith 413
Dizzy is just screwin' with ya wraith.
You can't give positive or negative karma until you have 50 posts, so you couldn't have given him any negative.
He hasn't given you any negative, cause you got 0 negative.
So just do what the rest of us do and tell dizzy to stfu.
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Well I can see I haven't missed much from being away.
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and for Kroma
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John Ashcroft will be at your door on charges of public obscenity.
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John Ashcroft will be at your door on charges of public obscenity.
Ha Ha! No one expects the Lepton Inquisition!!!!!
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Thanks, Likker.
Wraith 413
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John Ashcroft will be at your door on charges of public obscenity.
Ha Ha! No one expects the Lepton Inquisition!!!!!
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PRICELESS!!! :goodpost: