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Taldrenites => Dynaverse II Experiences => Topic started by: KBFLordKrueg on September 19, 2004, 05:44:41 pm
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Had to put my Desktop system in the shop for a few and am attempting to play with a Laptop on a wireless router. It will let me connect to the internet and do everything else except connect to an on line game, on GSA or D2.
FYI, have Linksys G router, set in DMZ mode, tried setting Win firewall to allow OP, even turned it completely off, as well turning off the ZoneAlarm, still no joy.
Finally even tried to plug the laptop directly into the cable modem and couldn't seem to connect that way either, then I noticed there is no option for me to enable a 10/100 ethernet connection. Says it has a "Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC", Which, I'm assuming, isn't the same thing and means I may not even be able to connect directly into my cable modem.
Anyone have some helpful advice on how I can resolve this situation?
Thanks in advance for any help offered.
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Had to put my Desktop system in the shop for a few and am attempting to play with a Laptop on a wireless router. It will let me connect to the internet and do everything else except connect to an on line game, on GSA or D2.
FYI, have Linksys G router, set in DMZ mode, tried setting Win firewall to allow OP, even turned it completely off, as well turning off the ZoneAlarm, still no joy.
Finally even tried to plug the laptop directly into the cable modem and couldn't seem to connect that way either, then I noticed there is no option for me to enable a 10/100 ethernet connection. Says it has a "Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC", Which, I'm assuming, isn't the same thing and means I may not even be able to connect directly into my cable modem.
Anyone have some helpful advice on how I can resolve this situation?
Thanks in advance for any help offered.
1- ok.. if you have your wireless in DMZ mode, it's pointing to a single IP. I am assuming it's the IP for the laptop at that time?
2- a RealTek8139 is a 10/100 NIC chip. It's a rather common and reliable device.
Can you explain how you're physically set-up?
Cable-modem -- wireless-router -- laptop?
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Are your connections bridged? Is Windows Firewall enabled?
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These ports must be opened, according to a player on GZ:
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Had to put my Desktop system in the shop for a few and am attempting to play with a Laptop on a wireless router. It will let me connect to the internet and do everything else except connect to an on line game, on GSA or D2.
FYI, have Linksys G router, set in DMZ mode, tried setting Win firewall to allow OP, even turned it completely off, as well turning off the ZoneAlarm, still no joy.
Finally even tried to plug the laptop directly into the cable modem and couldn't seem to connect that way either, then I noticed there is no option for me to enable a 10/100 ethernet connection. Says it has a "Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC", Which, I'm assuming, isn't the same thing and means I may not even be able to connect directly into my cable modem.
Anyone have some helpful advice on how I can resolve this situation?
Thanks in advance for any help offered.
OK,
Step 1: Put everything back where you have cable(tv) -> Cable Modem -> Linksys router *** The way it was when you started
Step 2: Connect with your wireless card. *** Make sure it is working.
Step 3: Start, run, cmd Should bring up a command window.
Step 4: Type at the command prompt Ipconfig | more *** Should give you your local ip address. 9192.168.1.x more than likely...
Step 5: Log into your router and double check this information is in the DMZ setting.
On the 10/100 connection To enable that, you may have to go into the device manager and enable the card.
Step 1: Right click on the micomputer icon and select properties.
Step 2: Click the hardware tab.
Step 3: Click the device manager button.
Step 4: On the device manager page, expand the network adapters.
Step 5a: If there is a red X on the adapter right click it and choose enable.
Step 5b: If there is a yellow ! there is a problem.
Let me know how it goes...
jd
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Ok, to answer serveal questions...
Setup is indeed, cable modem-wireless router-laptop. Formerly had desktop system simply plugged into router, no wireless ability for the desktop system w/o buying additional stuff. (Damn, maybe I should simply do that to the laptop? Plug it in to the router while disabling the wireless function?) :-\ *edit* tried this, no joy...
No connections bridged and had turned the XP firewall off after it first failed to connect with it running, I do have the XP firewall set to allow OP to access the internet(and yes, have the WINXPSP2)
I did set everything back the was it was, obviously is working correctly, since I'm here and it let me post about the problem to begin with.
Checked IP config commands and all the number match exactly. It does say It's in DMZ mode, including giving me some warning about my network being unprotected. But, since I use ZoneAlarm as well as the WINXP firewall(on both desktop and laptop), not concerned about that.
I did previously disable the wireless connection and re-enabled the Realtek adaptor when I was trying to connect by plugging in the cable modem to the laptop. When I did that, it told me I had limited or no connection...
I also checked the device manager and it showed the X's and ! icons in what appeared to be in all the right places. While I'm not a Computer Techno guru, it did appear as if it was all set correctly. I only saw the "!" icon on the Realtek adaptor after I got the above mentioned message.
When we first got the laptop, I was able to enable the wireless connection with great ease, kind of expected reversing the process to be just as simple.
Also checked my router settings and it is running in DMZ mode. It was my (limited) understanding that this would avoid having to set ports open, etc and that has worked great for online play previously, allowing me to play OP and other games online with no problems at all using the desktop system.
Thanks again for all the help...keep it coming...
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Configure your lan statically, do not use the DMZ, allow the router to be pinged wan side (disable "Block WAN Request"), disable all software firewalls, forward ports 2300-2400,47624 to the SFC2 client PC.
(disregard ports posted by Mazeppa above - if you want the story on what ports for what - search the forums here - look for posts by Cleaven about ports).
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Configure your lan statically, do not use the DMZ, allow the router to be pinged wan side (disable "Block WAN Request"), disable all software firewalls, forward ports 2300-2400,47624 to the SFC2 client PC.
(disregard ports posted by Mazeppa above - if you want the story on what ports for what - search the forums here - look for posts by Cleaven about ports).
Um, speaking a little Greek to me there, sir. :)
Well, thing about setting ports, I'll have to set ports for each game I play online (four of them). Used the DMZ setting mostly for the desktop system so I wouldn't have to do that, with great success. I have tried with ALL firewall software off and had ports set previously, when I first got the router for use with the laptop. Had limited success and so much frustration switched to the DMZ setting and was able to play online with zero problems. I guess I should have tried to play on the laptop wirelessly before, but never really had the need since I use the desktop fot gaming because of superior performance abilities. The laptop does far exceed all requirerments for playing OP, though.
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I also checked the device manager and it showed the X's and ! icons in what appeared to be in all the right places. While I'm not a Computer Techno guru, it did appear as if it was all set correctly. I only saw the "!" icon on the Realtek adaptor after I got the above mentioned message.
When we first got the laptop, I was able to enable the wireless connection with great ease, kind of expected reversing the process to be just as simple.
OK,
if you have a yellow ! by the realtek adapter, That adaptor will not work. That's why plugging it directly in does not work.
try plugging the lan cable from the laptop into the router(just like the desktop was). Make sure the ipconfig for the laptop has the ethernet adaptor for the realtek card with the dmz address.
to try to get the yellow ! to go away....
Step 1: goto device manager
Step 2: Right click the Realtek card and select uninstall.
Step 3: In the device manager right click the computer(at the very top) and choose "scan for hardware changes"
That should reinstall the card and hopefully clear they yellow !.
An acceptable driver for this card should be avaliable in windows XP So this should not be an issue.
The whole point I am trying to do is, if you get the wired connection to work on the laptop, we shold be able to make it look exactly like your desktop. Then it should work exactly like your desktop.
While wireless works ok for most people, it still has qurks. And I would like to get your laptop working wired first. then see if wireless works...
I like to fix one issue at a time.... makes troubleshooting easier...
jd
PS if you can get Vemtrillo working, then we can help you live. you may want to download and install that. Team speak will work too. It's soo much easier to do this real time.....
jd
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If he can connect wirelessly, then I don't know what the problem can possibly be. Is it possible that the router is the DMZ and not the actual laptop? If he has the router itself in the DMZ, then I assume it will still be acting as a hardware firewall. However, if the computer is in the DMZ there should be no problem. I would turn off windows firewall, make sure ZoneAlarm is configured properly to allow SFC to access the internet, and make sure it is the computer (i.e. the computer's IP address. Ex. 192.168.1.100) that is in the DMZ and not the router's IP address (Ex. 192.168.1.1). That how I have things confirgured and it works fine for me with ZoneAlarm running no problem.
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If he can connect wirelessly, then I don't know what the problem can possibly be. Is it possible that the router is the DMZ and not the actual laptop? If he has the router itself in the DMZ, then I assume it will still be acting as a hardware firewall. However, if the computer is in the DMZ there should be no problem. I would turn off windows firewall, make sure ZoneAlarm is configured properly to allow SFC to access the internet, and make sure it is the computer (i.e. the computer's IP address. Ex. 192.168.1.100) that is in the DMZ and not the router's IP address (Ex. 192.168.1.1). That how I have things confirgured and it works fine for me with ZoneAlarm running no problem.
Lepton,
I agree, if the computer is in the DMZ ant it's not working, on the surface, that seems wrong. BUT it is wireless. The wireless is more than likely encripted and that can change the way packets are encrypted and decrypted. That's why I say get it working wired first. then try to get it working wireless. It could be MTU size and fragmenting packets or any host of other issues. We know the desktop worked. Make it work like that first. Then fix the wireless issues.
jd
ps we see this alot at work. customers try to use VPN into their company sites. It workes wired, but not wirelessly. It should be the same, but quite often it is not...
jd
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Sorry if I missed it, but you have done the WON server update, right?
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The DMZ and port forwarding might be incompatable on certain routers...
I know when I was trying to get port forwarding working here on my router, I couldn't get it to work, so I tried the DMZ, and that wouldn't work till I shut off the port forwarding entries...
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I also checked the device manager and it showed the X's and ! icons in what appeared to be in all the right places. While I'm not a Computer Techno guru, it did appear as if it was all set correctly. I only saw the "!" icon on the Realtek adaptor after I got the above mentioned message.
When we first got the laptop, I was able to enable the wireless connection with great ease, kind of expected reversing the process to be just as simple.
OK,
if you have a yellow ! by the realtek adapter, That adaptor will not work. That's why plugging it directly in does not work.
try plugging the lan cable from the laptop into the router(just like the desktop was). Make sure the ipconfig for the laptop has the ethernet adaptor for the realtek card with the dmz address.
to try to get the yellow ! to go away....
Step 1: goto device manager
Step 2: Right click the Realtek card and select uninstall.
Step 3: In the device manager right click the computer(at the very top) and choose "scan for hardware changes"
That should reinstall the card and hopefully clear they yellow !.
An acceptable driver for this card should be avaliable in windows XP So this should not be an issue.
The whole point I am trying to do is, if you get the wired connection to work on the laptop, we shold be able to make it look exactly like your desktop. Then it should work exactly like your desktop.
While wireless works ok for most people, it still has qurks. And I would like to get your laptop working wired first. then see if wireless works...
I like to fix one issue at a time.... makes troubleshooting easier...
jd
PS if you can get Vemtrillo working, then we can help you live. you may want to download and install that. Team speak will work too. It's soo much easier to do this real time.....
jd
Well, only saw that yellow symbol after I had re-enabled it and disabled the wireless. Tha's also when it had the message about a limited or no connection. When I set everything back to wireless, the symbol does go away. I also did try plugging the laptop in exactly as the desktop was, still didn't work. >:(
Also, already have VT loaded, but, no one can seem to hear me talk, however the text to speech works fine...*sigh* I'm just a slow typist and I'm limited to 1 or 2 short sentences at a time that way.
I'm on it right now actually with WS and Kytarh.
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Does the laptop use a third party software for managing the connections?
Suggestions...
1. Save your settings to a file, option should be in the Tools parts of the router, from there try a reset of the router. Remember this will clear the routers settings to the way it came out the box. Now try setting up your network again.
2. Manually set Directplay server access through the xp firewall... Start/Control Panel/Windows Firewall/Exceptions/Add Program/Browse... C:WINDOWS\system32\dplaysvr
3. Try this (http://www.purenetworks.com/products/)
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3rd party? Don't think so, if it does, don't know how it got that way, lol.
Interestly, discovered I also cannot get voice to work on VT, but the text-to-speech option works fine...
Donno, I've tried nearly everything, almost all of the suggestions posted here havn't worked, getting really disgusted with the whole thing.
Hopefully will have my desktop CPU back by this weekend and I can stop even stressing about it.
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Does the laptop work on any other connections? Dial-up even?
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Does the laptop work on any other connections? Dial-up even?
Well, don't have a dail-up program, I'm on cable. And I'm not planning on getting one, either. Just to clarify, it works fine, I can access anything on the internet, do downloads, etc. Just seem to have problems gaming on GSA or D2. Also have one other game installed on it, can't access online multi-player with it, either(MechWarrior4:Mercenaries).
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I was wondering if you were able to try it on anybody elses network, just to nail it down to the laptop itself, or the router and it's wireless connectivity.
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Do you still have your old settings entered for your main PC on the router?
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Do you still have your old settings entered for your main PC on the router?
Yes, even checked the settings via the laptop, still in DMZ mode. And, still waiting for a call from the shop telling me my other one's done...grrrr! :-\
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Can you define what you mean by DMZ mode? I assume that you mean that you have a single laptop connecting to the router with an IP address like 192.168.1.100 and that is same IP address is entered into the router configuration. One problem with DMZ mode is that if your router is configured to assign IP addresses dynamically (i.e. changing them depending on what machines are accessing the router), the router could change your IP address and you never might know it. This is why Bonk suggested making the IP address static (one machine, one IP address forever). Are there any other computers using this router? I think this problem has got to be simple. If he has access to the web and internet browsing, this suggests all the other ports are blocked in some manner. This could only be for two reasons. His computer is not actually in the DMZ or his software firewalls are not configured to allow programs access to all the ports it needs. Perhaps it could be a port-forwarding table/DMZ conflict. I'd make sure that the port-forwarding table is totally empty and that none of the ranges are set as enabled on the router configuration page that handles port-forwarding.
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Can you define what you mean by DMZ mode? I assume that you mean that you have a single laptop connecting to the router with an IP address like 192.168.1.100 and that is same IP address is entered into the router configuration. One problem with DMZ mode is that if your router is configured to assign IP addresses dynamically (i.e. changing them depending on what machines are accessing the router), the router could change your IP address and you never might know it. This is why Bonk suggested making the IP address static (one machine, one IP address forever). Are there any other computers using this router? I think this problem has got to be simple. If he has access to the web and internet browsing, this suggests all the other ports are blocked in some manner. This could only be for two reasons. His computer is not actually in the DMZ or his software firewalls are not configured to allow programs access to all the ports it needs. Perhaps it could be a port-forwarding table/DMZ conflict. I'd make sure that the port-forwarding table is totally empty and that none of the ranges are set as enabled on the router configuration page that handles port-forwarding.
Define...hell, I don't even know what it means... ;D I did it upon suggestion of me asking about configuring the router on the forums.
Normally there are 2 machines using the router, One: my desktop system, usually just plugged into the back of the router. When we got the router all I had to do with the desktop system was plug it in and set the router for DMZ to allow me to play online, took all of 2 minutes and everything worked great.
2: The laptop. It has a built in wireless connection and also required little effort to get it working online. But, never tried to game on it until I had to put my desktop system in the shop. Even when I bypass the router completely, plugging directly into the cable modem, and enabling the LAN connection rather than the wireless, I get the firewall message when trying to get onto D2 and games on GSA never appear for me to join. While I'm not super computer savvy, I do have some basic understanding of how they work and am fairly familiar with enabling the connection, since this is the 3rd computer I've set up to play with. Making it "one machine, one IP address, forever" is not going to be very practical when I get my desktop back. Also some suggestions have been made about uninstalling programs, with the "possibility" of the computer restoring them later. But, this is something else I'm not thrilled about doing since the laptop is primarily used by my wife for work and some online courses she's taking for said job. It was intended that I would use the laptop for temporary gaming only. It has however turned into a longer period, since my desktop seems to be taking forever to get done (BTW, just found out the shop is now closed until Tuesday due to Hurricane Jeanne's approach, it was supposed to be done Fri they told me... >:( ). I've pretty much resigned myself that I simply will not be gaming online until I get it back now. I spent the better part of 2 days messing around with it, to no avail. I do greatly appreciate everyone to attempted to help me and made suggestions.
But I just give the hell up on it... ::)
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If you have by-passed the router and it still does not work, then it would seem to be a software firewall problem to me. I would connect directly to the cable modem, turn off the XP firewall, and leave ZoneAlarm on and see if that works. If it does, you know it's XP firewall giving the problem. If it still does not work, switch off ZoneAlarm as well, and try it. If it still does not work, then I am stumped. One thing about ZoneAlarm is that the first time you start up an application, you get that pop-up window that asks if you will allow the application to connect to the internet. Perhaps you said "No" once and it saved this setting. You should be able to go into ZoneAlarm, go to Program Control and see that OP has green check marks in all the slots to make it a trusted application. If it doesn't, make it so.
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Been there, done all that, Lepton. Even with XP firewall and Zonealarm completely shut down, it gives me the firewall message. Scroll down and you'll see my multiple posts about different approaches I've taken.
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Damn...that's wierd...I wish I could help you out bro...
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Then it has absolutely nothing to do with your router. I'd suggest that you check to see if XP Service Pack 2 did not do something to alter how your system is functioning. Might be able to find something in Microsoft's support area. Or you could just uninstall XP SP2 and see if that has any effect.
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Unlikely...had the SP2 loaded on the other system, too. Didn't affect a thing. Actually made setting the firewall much easier.
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Sorry if I missed it, but you have done the WON server update, right?
How did you do this? The mini-patcher or manually?
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Sorry if I missed it, but you have done the WON server update, right?
How did you do this? The mini-patcher or manually?
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Been there, done all that, Lepton. Even with XP firewall and Zonealarm completely shut down, it gives me the firewall message. Scroll down and you'll see my multiple posts about different approaches I've taken.
What is the wording of the message? There are different messages depending upon the situation.
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These may seem like dumb questions but with the answers, more questions and time, I may be able to help.
What make and model is the router? <-Key info...
Are you running the latest firmware for your router?
You're not trying to forward ports to one PC and place another in the DMZ are you?
Have you read your router manual?
Do you know what DHCP is and how to configure clients on your LAN statically?
* Have you installed Gamespy on the laptop and tried connecting to gamespy?
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He can't even connect with GSA or D2 when he connects directly to the modem. It ain't a router problem. He's screwed. Nothing else to say. Now if he can't connect with all the software firewalls off, he is really screwed.
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These may seem like dumb questions but with the answers, more questions and time, I may be able to help.
What make and model is the router? <-Key info... *Linksys Wireless 2,4 Ghz Wireless Boradband Model #WRT54G*
Are you running the latest firmware for your router? *Yes, have checked that about 20 frikking times lately*
You're not trying to forward ports to one PC and place another in the DMZ are you? *No, just DMZ, have no ports forwared at all*
Have you read your router manual? *Yes, before I even opened the plastic, follow instruction for setup to the letter, was actually very easy. Have had zero issues until trying to game on the laptop. Has been several months.*
Do you know what DHCP is and how to configure clients on your LAN statically? *All Greek to me, sir. ;D *
* Have you installed Gamespy on the laptop and tried connecting to gamespy?
*Yes, after not being able to get on D2. Let's me into room, but upon game lauch, the game never appears for me to join. A host-forced rejoin also failed*
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Is there any chance that you actually have another firewall running, because if it's not the router then it must be software on the laptop? Something that wasn't uninstalled properly perhaps. What does the Task Manager or MSConfig reveal?