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Title: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 18, 2007, 07:19:21 pm

And yes, they're having a civil war.

COMING SOON!! (early Dec )
<picture a cool looking Chuut/Dizzy picture here, advertising LCW, hot chicks or whatver, let you picture that and ponder the
grandeur of the LCW advertising budget for a bit>

Yes finally LCW will run (assuming someone can run it or con DH into running it, either way I'm happy)

Featuring
TWO sides!
Yes that's right non believers. This server will have TWO SIDES!!
I don't want to give to much away..but they're called "Side A" and "Side B" right now... you know what that means eh?

<more details coming soon>

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: NuclearWessels on September 18, 2007, 07:43:25 pm

I notice you didn't say which december ...

 ;D

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 18, 2007, 07:51:25 pm

yeah
<cough>

Funny that....

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: FPF-Tobin Dax on September 18, 2007, 08:04:27 pm

Quote from: NuclearWessels on September 18, 2007, 07:43:25 pm

I notice you didn't say which december ...

 ;D

 :rofl:   +1 for that.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 18, 2007, 08:11:10 pm

Looks like I have my two RM's...  :P

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 18, 2007, 08:41:25 pm

What is it with the Feline races and civil wars??

The Kzinti are constantly squabling amongst themselves and now the Lyrans too??

Should make for good entertainment for the Klingon Empire.

Erm, in the SFB timeline, isn't the breakaway faction (the LDR) secretly backed by the Hydrans??

At least the Lyrans will finally be fighting against hostile ships that aren't in anyway superiour to their own!!
 

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Dfly on September 18, 2007, 08:58:04 pm

The FSD are waiting and ready, and will be there in December.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Mog on September 19, 2007, 08:39:39 am

Quote from: Panzergranate on September 18, 2007, 08:41:25 pm

What is it with the Feline races and civil wars??

The Kzinti are constantly squabling amongst themselves and now the Lyrans too??

Should make for good entertainment for the Klingon Empire.

Erm, in the SFB timeline, isn't the breakaway faction (the LDR) secretly backed by the Hydrans??

At least the Lyrans will finally be fighting against hostile ships that aren't in anyway superiour to their own!!
 

You have a very paw opinion of Lyran ships from reading your posts in the tactics thread in General forum. Looks like you've never played against good Lyran players. they would soon disavow you of that notion.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Kroma BaSyl on September 19, 2007, 10:55:13 am

Quote from: Hexx on September 18, 2007, 07:19:21 pm

TWO sides!
Yes that's right non believers. This server will have TWO SIDES!!
I don't want to give to much away..but they're called "Side A" and "Side B" right now... you know what that means eh?

Yeah, we know exactly what that means. Once again the A team will get all the good toys and the B team will get totally shafted with a nerf.  :D

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 11:24:43 am

Here I kinda figured I'd let you shaft the "B" team..

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Kroma BaSyl on September 19, 2007, 02:04:59 pm

Quote from: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 11:24:43 am

Here I kinda figured I'd let you shaft the "B" team..

<quivering with anticipation>

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 02:31:20 pm

<shudders> the poor "B" team..

Anyway

Yes! Lyran ships are actually better 1v1 than pretty much any ship of any race out there.
Unless I'm in need of a reason I lost in which case they suck.

I can confidently predict that everyone will enjoy flying Lyran unless you're one of those " I need to use dronez to make up for my failed manhood" types

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Kroma BaSyl on September 19, 2007, 02:44:15 pm

Quote from: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 02:31:20 pm

in which case they suck.

Alright already, you have convinced me.

What comes on a Lyran BF anyway...I mean aside from the purring?

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 19, 2007, 03:06:19 pm

I find some Lyran ships are quite well thought  out in SFB.

In our last campaign the Lyran players made good use of L-SC (Survey Cruiser) carrying troop pallets to slip past our patrols and do annoying hit and run raids. A D5G & TTP just isn't the same, by comparison, to a L-SC & TTP. We were kind of envious.

They just spent their BPV points on the wrong ships mainly. Mainly a fe big capital ships and tried to make up numbers with PFs. We hardly saw a cruiser and then they were backing up the DNs, which we were shadowing with scouts so as to avoid them with our cruisers. Lyran DNs are something to take seriously.

However, they never actually saw combat with any of the DNs battlegroups they had deployed out there. Most of the time they were travelling backwards and forwards, always being in the wrong place and too late to catch us.

They also went more for L-DD+ than L-DW, mainly because of BPV expense.

We did find the odd Puma and Cougar tug, which are pretty leathal with the combat pallet fitted. These did chalk up a fair few of our frigates.

Perhaps your right about the players  lacking experience and understanding of the variety of Lyran warships on offer and what their capabilities & limitations are.

We do, because we are using LAN, have up to 9 ships per side. One on one battles are extremely rare. Total chaos can errupt duing these battles and it takes a lot of cooperative team work to keep some sort of strategy going, etc.

They were on the backfoot as we mounted a complex attack on them before they could hit us and they'd set up their fleet for attack, rather than defence.

They haven't made that mistake in the new Kzinti - Klingon Campaign, hit us first and have advanced well over the border into Klingon space. Despite casulties (mainly the hapless Kzinti frigates), they are doing well, territory wise.

In a one on one game of a L-FF versus a Kz-FF, my money would be on the Lyran!! If it was a L-PF versus a Kz-FF, I'd still back the Lyran player!!

I'm just so used to flying well armed Klingon Warships, which are just so good!! ;D

Lyran ships, from when I've played them, lack a ranged indirect fire weapon system (missile or torpedo), which is just so infuriating, as this means that all effective combat musts be performed at close range. The enemy wiil try to keep at longer range and use ranged weapons. The ESG is only good for ramming an enemy not familiar with this tactic. If not playing against a rookie, it is just a power drain. I generally turn it off and us the power more productively. I usually put it into shields or movement. Human oponents usually seem surprised that my ship is more sprightly than it should be.

The other hastle is the turn class usually being always less than enemy ships of similar class.

Now if the Lyrans could fire Drones, Hellbores, Photons, etc.,  then that would be an improvement. It has always been a handicap that Lyran players have to work with.

This must grate with other Lyran players as well??

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Dfly on September 19, 2007, 04:18:45 pm

Actually this does not grate with FSD, who fly Lyrans.

We love the ESG, and embrace it.  That does not mean we fly in close to die, or take too many plasmas to be effective any more either.  The ESG can be used multiple ways. 
1-Self-Defence.  takes care of drones/fighters fairly effectively
2-Defencive.  Stops enemies from wanting to close tightly.
3-Protective.  When chasing it takes care of mines, shuttles, fighters, and drones, if needed.
3-Offencive.  Run people over with them, but timing is everything.

Saberdancing is very useful to the Lyrans, and nearly as effective as the Klingons.  Sometimes more so, as there are almost always more Phaser 1s on the Lyran ships than the Klingons.  ESGs help with this as the enemy does not usually want to close even after you have fired.

Long range, dizzies work well.  Pretty much the only weapon long range we hate are the PPD, which are forward firing only, and useless under range 4.  Photons can hurt when hit with overloads, but they too are forward firing only.  Saberdancing with plasma based ships work the same way as any other race does vs them.  Sure turn modes are not always great, but can be overcome most times.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 04:32:24 pm

And really only the Klinks (and some Roms) will beat your turn modes.
Anyone else ties them at best.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 19, 2007, 05:52:00 pm

The Kzinti ships may be a tad out of date, but they are quite maneuverable. They need to be as in dogfights, once the Drone racks are spent, they don't last long!!

Why don't the Lyrans use Drones??

ESG only offers some protection from their sworn mortal enemies, the Kzinti??

One has to sit there and tollerate the long range Drone waves, unable to return fire on equal terms, until they exhaust their racks and have to either come in close or run away.

I never understood why the Lyrans hadn't studied captured Kzinti Drone technology or bought it off of the Klingons, during the odd moments when there is an alliance against the Hydrans or Kzinti?? During the General War, the Klingons end up having to prop up the Lyrans when the decide to prematurely attack the Kzinti's, who  surprise them with new heavier warships, firing even more Drones than before. Comes as a bit of the to the Klingons as well.

The Klingons did share Disrupter technology for free, to upgrade the Lyran fleet. Correction, there was the trade of useless Mauler Tecnology.

Klingons and Lyrans do have one thing in common, a mutual loathing of the Kzinti!!

If not Dones then why not Hydran Hellbore??

OK if the arguements are based on hull unsuitability and interface problems, then why not mount the weapons on a special pallet and sling it under a L-SC, Puma or Cougar fleet tugs?? This would solve the hull mounting problem and interfacing problem in one go. Imagine the shock value to an enemy attaccking a Lyran battle group and finding themselves  being Droned or Hellbored from long range. The L-SC also has longer sensor range than non-special sensored warships, even in SFC!!

Come to think of it, the Lyran's handicap of not having ranged indirect fire weapons has been brought up before in SFB forums, etc. and the hull mounting excuse is trundled out by Armarillo.

A special pallet might be a way around it.

It's worth experimenting with.



 

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 19, 2007, 06:31:01 pm

Another useful thing I've just remembered about the L-SC.... It has a very high ECM capability thus rendering Hellbores  and Photons next to useless. Targeting is improved by special sensors, which are well worth the exchange with a couple of the Dis2s or Dis3s if the L-SC+

On the down side, special sensors are taken out on any Disrupter hits first and are not crew repairable in SFB or SFC.

I usually fly the L-SC or L-SC+ with either the SCS, FTR or Combat Pallet if I play Lyrans in a one on one game here or a six sided fun skirmish.

Did they include the L-SC in SFC 2 or do you have to add it in, as with SFC 1.

In 1980's SFB games they doubled as both the CVA, AWAC and Scout at the same time in battlefleets. No other race has anything like this ship.

Maybe they'll allow one side in the civil war to have them as the advantage!! (Pictues folks reading this, digging up SFB Volume.III. and reading up on L-CA to L-SC conversions and Lyran pallet SSDs).

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Dfly on September 19, 2007, 06:55:25 pm

BTW, the best defence against drones, is no defence.  Unless the drones are speed 32, you just simply outrun them till they run out of gas.  You would be surprised how hard it is to hit with a speed 24 drone vs a speed 27 Lyran ship.  Sure the game goes longer, but unless you get yourself into a corner, you can pretty much outrun nearly any drones,  Especially in OP game.

Unfortunately the Scouts and such never translated to the OP and SFC1 and SFC2 games.  Perhaps this is why the Lyrans are better off in these games?

Actually I have found there are very few well accomplished Lyran pilots out there who can or will fly them vs any and all other races.  It seems they are one of the harder ones to master.  I myself have flown since SFC1 started, and only 1 year ago finally tackled the second last race for me to try to master to some extent.  The only other one I have not fully embraced are the FEDS.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 08:09:37 pm

Yeha- if you're playing OP with us (and of course more than welcom to) the scouts aren't usually even included in the shiplists
They're useless in OP. no additional scout advanatges or scout functions are present.

You might like Dynaverse play, you may hate it~ there aren't any (or very very few) pilots flying anything along generic SFB build lists.
Basically everyone flies (command) war cruisers, (command) war destroyers , CB's , and (sometimes depending on the server) one gets into BCH's
and the otehr metal ships.

There's just not enough balance between the races or interest in servers for their to be anything like the idea
"Klingon fleets have an F5b,e4 and a F5c"
You're more likley to encounter a couple of D7C's or F5D's depending.

And for this kind of fight- Lyran ships generally match up equal to ot slightly better than pretty much everyone eleses equivalant ship.
(Some notable exceptions of course)

Still- while we don't use the build lists for fleets your used to, as i said you'r more than welcome to try it out with us.
Generally speaking the servers are usually alot of fun.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Nemesis on September 19, 2007, 08:50:24 pm

Quote from: Kroma BaSyl on September 19, 2007, 10:55:13 am

Once again the A team will get all the good toys

So if its the A-Team you must be Murdock.  Hexx must be Baracus (afraid of flying).  So who is Hannibal and "Faceman"

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 19, 2007, 09:11:06 pm

I pity the fool...

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 19, 2007, 10:27:30 pm

 I fund it strange that they include special sensors in the shiplist options of SFC 1 (don't have SFC 2 here) which actually works exactly to the SFB rules, etc., yet no ship or object in the stock shiplist actually uses them. The same with ADD 6 and ADD 12, in th the list but not used by any of the ships. This doesn't seem to work however, unlike the Special Sensors, which do.

If a ship has Special Sensors in SFC 1 Photons and Hellbores can be fired to hit at range 50!! Also tactical intelligence of targeted vessels works over a longer range, over 100!!

Still can't figure why nothing uses them in the stock game though??!!

Here's an interesting thought.... How will the SFC game sort out ESG ramming between opposing ESG equiped ships?? There is room for another programming cheat bug here.  Anyone have the SFB rules lying around to see how they say to decide this situation??!!

I generally just outrun Drones or fly past an ally who will PD them for me. However the volume of Drone the larger Kzinti warship shuck out can be qute frightening.

Seeing 20 plus Drones following one around is unnerving. Even ESG won't take out all of them if they're in staggered waves. We're playing late period so its all speed 32 Drones.  It's like watching  BSG when the Kzinti fleets open up!!

Maybe we'll do a Lyran versus Kzinti LAN campaign after the one were in finishes in a month or so. Late period of course.

The WYN converted a Wildcat destroyer into a pocket battleship by adding a third engine. Increases movement cost and turn circle but gives more power. Might be worth exploring with the L-CA+,etc.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Dfly on September 20, 2007, 07:22:26 pm

SFC2 and OP both use a long range sensor system for ALL ships.  This costs a little engine power and extends the range to 150.  It can also be turned off at any time.  All ships also come with as little as 2, or as many as I think 7(biggest ships only) transporter mines, which can be placed within 5 via a transporter through a now dropped shield, or just simply dropped out of the back of the ship with no shield drop(just like SFB).  You can also purchase extra mines, up to a total of 12 on all ships.  These often get used for waves that have been launched at the same time, or waves that coincide, or even when a scatterpack is dropped, before it opens.

ADD6 and ADD12 work fine in SFC2 and OP, but no special sensors.

ESG fields controlled by the same team do not hit each other(ship or esg), ever.  ESG Fields when 2 different teams meet, do not hit other ESG fields, only enemy ships, drones, fighters, shuttles, and ANY mine.  Hellbores however do hit ESG fields 100% of the time.

Only way to see 20+ drones on the map at the same time would be for 3 Mirak(Kzinti) ships to have a 12 drone control, and all launch 2 loads, OR, include the drones fired from fighters, which can pump it up well above 40+.  Again, they(especially fighter drones that cluster), can be taken out with a mine. 
If you are travelling at speed 31, and speed 32 drones are launched at range 4 from a ship, they wont reach you before they run out of gas(unless you turn too much) so drones can be outlasted easily enough, provided you can do 31.  Fighter drones last I think only 1 turn(maybe 2, forget), so they run out of gas even faster, meaning at range 3 they wont hit you.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Mutilator on September 20, 2007, 07:52:08 pm

Early Dec awsome! I should be home by then  :D sign me up!  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Dfly on September 20, 2007, 07:54:11 pm

Already did Mutt  :)

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: FSD Warp10 on September 20, 2007, 08:38:09 pm

Great to hear from you Mutt,
   Look forward to flying with you.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 20, 2007, 08:53:35 pm

There were 9 Kzinti ships in the 20 plus Drone nightmare.  It was a turkey shoot for the Kzinti players. They had a whale of a time.

Anyway, this should be all about the impending Lyran civil war.

Will it be based on the LDR breakaway??

If I remember SFB correctly, the LDR rebels are kind of limited in certain larger ship classes. Could this be the handicap mentioned?? ::)

Should make for an interesting civil war. :)

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 20, 2007, 08:56:14 pm

Nah the LDR doesn't play any kinda of major role.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 20, 2007, 09:05:07 pm

So what is the civil war gonna be about??

The Lyrrans are supposed to me more civilsed than the constantly feuding Kzinti, and so need a strong motive to have a civil war.

(Any references to Lyrans in any way sharing genetic relationships with the Kzinti was not implyed in this statement!! ::))

 

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 20, 2007, 09:10:11 pm

Nah the Lyrans (according to SFb history) are always having Civil Wars

Sides- the history of the general war doesn't really make any sense at all unless the Lyran forces are doing something else.
So, figured a cookout would be kinda boring, so they're having a war.

See there used to be this evil Lyran pilot who can not be named, and he was supposed to be the king...

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 20, 2007, 09:55:16 pm

Wiil the loosers flee into the Wyn star cluster when it's all over?? ::)

So cattiness is just the way they are then??

The Kzinti are so far behind other races in starship design because of their constant fighting. Howcome the Lyrans managed to keep up with other races or aren't their wars so destructive??

Interestingly enough, the Kzinti predate Star Trek and Larry Niven was approached by Gene Roddenberry, who had read the Kzinti Sci-Fi books, to invite him to include the Kzintirace, in a rewritten form, into the Star Trek cannon. Hwever TOS was dropped but the story ended up in the animated series.

However, in STTMP V Gene had a Kzinti included in one scene purposefully, as homage to Larry Niven's work. The only time a Kzinti is shown on Sar Trek is in the animated series and a female fighting Kirk in a bar on a planet.

It is a shame that Gene didn't pursue developing the Kzinti in TNG.

Bearing in mind that the Mirak thing is because Larry Niven didn't give permission to use the Kzinti race in SFC 2 but did in SFB, might explain a lot about how Larry Niven's copyright of the Kzinti race is used. Paramount would hae had to strike a deal to use the Kzinti and perhaps they'd rather invent their own races. We ended up with the Cardies instead.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Julin Eurthyr on September 20, 2007, 10:32:30 pm

Panzer:

Welcome to the D2 forums...

One word of advice here, you really should try to pick up a copy (or 6) of Starfleet Command: Orion Pirates.  That's the game we play over here... ;)

Some notes on your postings:

Special Sensors have never worked in any SFC incarnation.  Photons had their ranges universally extended to 55, though for any chance to hit they need to be in proxy mode firing into a 0 shift...

Dedicated Anti Missile Defenses (SFB ADD & "defensive" Pl-D) were perfected in time for SFC II.  IIRC, SFC I adds 2xPh-3 & 1-2 power per AMD/Pl-D rack, compare the "stock" K-C7 & R-KCRS (the converted C7 battlecruiser w/3 Pl-D) to the SFB counterparts to determine the actual additions per rack.  That may be hurting your Klinks in the SFC I battles for your campaign, if you ported the D5Es over exactly, you're missing out on all the AMD (or phaser-replacement) goodness those ships "deserve"... A Kzin (even MDC) shouldn't ever land a drone on a healthy D5E / AD5 in a dedicated drone-defense stance...

Also, we're big fans on playing "what if" scenerios that have no ties to any established history.  This is one that we're anticipating, a chance to play Lyran on Lyran, and we're making up a backstory to fit our desires... :P

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Kroma BaSyl on September 21, 2007, 10:03:51 am

Quote from: Panzergranate on September 20, 2007, 09:05:07 pm

So what is the civil war gonna be about??

The Lyrrans are supposed to me more civilsed

Table manners, those that lick their butts at the dinner table vs those that lick their dinner guest butts at the dinner table. Filthy mammals!!!

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 12:14:24 pm

There will be no licking of ANY butts at the dinner table in the Lyran Empire.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 01:53:10 pm

OK so DH claims he's "busy" "working foir a living" or some drivel like that.

probably just afraid to fly Lyran against me...

Anyway- We (by which I mean "you" ) have just over 2 months to find someone who knows how to run these things!
(Or for one of you to convince Frey to give me access and let me poke around Thor until I figure out how a server works  :o  )

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 21, 2007, 04:03:31 pm

I've had a good poke around inside SFC 1 and there seems to be a lot of unfinished work inside it. A few incomplete features, such as ADD, etc. that are just dormant. Obviously they couldn't make it work in time for the relaese date, and so disabled it.

The Special Sensors, in SFB, are mainly an intelligence gathering facility in game and, having tested them against the rules in SFB Volume.III., they do seem to work in this capacity. A lot of properties, like mine sweeping abilities, are missing (would be so useful!!).

Actually MSB (Mine Sweeping Beam) would hae been simple to include.

I convert SFC OP and SFC 2 ship modles to SFC 1. The difference is the way in which hardpoints are tagged onto the models. It is easy to detach a model from the hardpoint tags and embed SFC 1 hardpoint tags, then position them where they should be.

As for the shiplist, I use Ship Edit and transcribe SSDs over from SFB rules. I also transcribe any modifications and upgrades. Some are just as bad as described in SFB conversions, such as the Kzinti FH and FH+, which just do not have enough power to 2 x Dis2 mounts.

We play the "What Ifs" in our LAN games, play some of the SFB mini-campaigns such as the "Red Wyn Express" and try out some of the ship designs people post up on ship schematic sites, books and in battleclinic, just to see how they'd really work out. Some really do suck!!

The "General War" didn't happened in our timeline.

I set up a custom models folder and SFBSFC13.TXT file for the LAN campaigns, which can take weeks to prepare. I'm the only one with the patience to trawl the web or create models, convert things, etc.

All SFB ships are the correct 1970's/1980's SKYTREX miniatures and not the stock game ships. Lyrans look as they should, as do the Klingons, Feds, Gorns, Romulans, etc.

We run combined SFB and FASA ships. L9s suck even more in SFB then they do in FASA!! :P The FASA ships fill in some of the gaping fleet holes in the Klingon SFB Order Of Battle very well and vice versa.

I'm contemplating making models and creating/incorporating a new race that was the principle villains in a short Sci-Fi story in a book published in the late 1960's, the Sleen.

These were nomadic molusc type creatures resembling giant snails, about juvenile Elephant sized. Their shells mounted, what for a humanoid, would be classed as a  heavy weapon. Four mounted to cover 360 Degree arcs and all controlled from a helmet. They were also pretty thick skinned/shielded and immune from hand energy type weapons in the story. Basically living tanks.

They travelled through space seeking out Class M worlds and stripped them of 80% of their vegetation and then move on. When the world has recovered after maybe a century or so, they will return and "harvest it" again. If anyone lives there or has colonised the world, tough luck, they are eliniated one way or another. Argarian colonies are another prime target on their hit list.

They have no regard for any lifeforms standing between them and the next meal.
 
Their ships were massive well armed and armoured and move in a fleet numbering thousands.

In the short story, an Earth science party, who are guests of a flying humanoid race, are caught up in defending the planet from a Sleen "harvesting". Human cunning finds a way of driving them away in the short story.

Now the Sleen would make for an interesting new race in SFB and SFC. Could plan a whole mini campaign around them.

At the moment I'm still figuring how best to model an illiustration of a Sleen ship. It is definately interestingly different and unique. No idea of colour schemes as the illustration in monotone.

Anyway, this'll the a subject for another post and discussion.

As for SFC OP and SFC 2, finding the game here in the UK and Europe is difficult. All the game shop chains here don't have or have never carried it.

At the moment I'm also busy fixing bikes as my priciple bike decided it was a good time to throw a big end bearing, just when I've everything else in my garage up on the benches undergoing major surgery. sh*t happens in salvoes sometmes!! :(

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Mutilator on September 21, 2007, 04:26:31 pm

Quote from: Dfly on September 20, 2007, 07:54:11 pm

Already did Mutt :)

Thanks Dfly! Hopefully TT will get his disk out to Alberta by then.

Quote from: FSD Warp10 on September 20, 2007, 08:38:09 pm

Great to hear from you Mutt,
   Look forward to flying with you.

Same here Warp. Life at sea is a blast, rough weather, search and rescues, gun shoots, helicopter ops, boarding party's etc etc. can not wait to get home! Something else to look forward to in December...

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Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 04:28:02 pm

Oh I am so stealing that pic.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Laflin on September 21, 2007, 04:46:17 pm

Hexx, are you going to add that special L-CWLFNEC like we discussed loong ago - oops, forgot that was supposed to be hush hush...

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 04:53:34 pm

Nah I went with the STLHXT instaed..figured why take chances?

Also trying to decide whether to give the PF's Ph1's or leave them with 2's
-Any opinions?

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 21, 2007, 05:18:53 pm

Perhaps the advantage is to only let one side have access to Sabre ToothTiger Mauler cruisers.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 05:24:58 pm

Nah I'm not going to punish anyone by making them fly hte junk stuff.

Well maybe kroma if he's man enough to show....

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 21, 2007, 05:50:28 pm

One side is handicapped by having the French as allies??!! ;D

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: marstone on September 21, 2007, 10:09:12 pm

Quote from: Panzergranate on September 21, 2007, 05:50:28 pm

One side is handicapped by having the French as allies??!! ;D

oh yeah.  sever handicap there.

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Julin Eurthyr on September 22, 2007, 07:17:31 am

Quote from: Panzergranate on September 21, 2007, 05:50:28 pm

One side is handicapped by having the French as allies??!! ;D

No handicapping there, the other side has Space Navy Command's WCP... :p

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Panzergranate on September 22, 2007, 02:03:03 pm

The Emergency Tactical Officer hologram, on one side's starships, is Arnold Judas Rimmer!!

Yes inddeedy!! ;D

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Kroma BaSyl on September 24, 2007, 09:26:52 am

Quote from: Hexx on September 21, 2007, 05:24:58 pm

Nah I'm not going to punish anyone by making them fly hte junk stuff.

Well maybe kroma if he's man enough to show....

Oh, I'll show you my junk alright, you'll just have to look back over your shoulder to see it.

You found anyone to run this yet?

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on September 25, 2007, 10:32:18 pm

No

It's ok though- redoing the map so I'm not worried. (Bigger and more stuff!)
Probably start to panic and make threats around Nov 1st

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: NuclearWessels on February 08, 2008, 08:45:36 am

<nudge>

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Roychipoqua_Mace on February 08, 2008, 05:47:32 pm

So how'd this campaign go?

Lyrans rock!!

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Reyam on February 11, 2008, 05:43:29 pm

My guess is another battle over the cat nip supply  :D looks like it's time to sharpen our claws  >:(

Title: Re: So there's these Lyrans
Post by: Hexx on February 14, 2008, 10:37:56 pm

Oh it went well.

I won .
Got the babe.
Rode off into the sunset.
(unsurprising perhaps, but there were some tense moments)