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Title: The Karma System
Post by: Braxton_RIP on February 15, 2008, 03:52:01 am: Right, so I just want to get a feel for the community's feelings about the karma system. Personally, it is a huge headache for me, since most of my admin time is spent dealing with karma issues.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: NuclearWessels on February 15, 2008, 06:47:09 am: If that's the case I'd say dump it (in a heartbeat!) - your time is too valuable to let it get sucked up on something like this!

dave
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 07:19:08 am: what is the point of the karma?
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 08:30:46 am: Is this the 4th or 5th time the karma issue has come up here on D.net? I stopped counting after 3.

Just as then as now, it's useless and should have been deleted from the whole server years ago.

I know I've used it to give Karma and take it away. Thing is, alot of people, especially in H&S, who tend to claim karma isn't that big of a deal, also say it should be kept around, and also complain when they get neg karma and then comment that the people who neg others karma aren't man enough to just come out and say what's on their minds, yet they're guilty of the exact same thing.

If the karma system is gonna be kept around, disable the neg karma feature. If someone doesn't like what you post, they can't neg you. If they really like it, they'll give you +1.

But, since we've been down this road before, I don't have many hopes these days of anything really changing. The last time all that was done was that instead of showing both positive and negative karma, only the sum of both is shown.

But, again, just do away with the system. Like you said, it takes up too much of your time. Maybe if the karma system were eliminated, more time could be spent putting down flame wars in certain threads before they start, and actually warn those people who like to start them to stop and start acting civilized or get banned.

Or, in my case, stop hijacking threads with senseless, yet sometimes extremely funny, comical posts. (You gotta admit though, I've become quite proficient in that capacity ;D :angel:)
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Bonk on February 15, 2008, 08:43:22 am: I tried desperately to get rid of the karma system. Best I could get other admin staff to agree to was the net value instead of +/-.

Definitely count my vote for removal.

However, be aware that the same problem members will find other ways to consume your time with childish disputes, whether it involves karma or not. Removing karma would slow it down for a little while until they found somet6hing else to fight about.

Want to solve the problem permanently? Get rid of Hot and Spicy. (that would make a nice db prune too)

Here's another suggestion that might work: only positive karma. No negative.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 08:56:58 am: Quote from: Bonk on February 15, 2008, 08:43:22 am
I tried desperately to get rid of the karma system. Best I could get other admin staff to agree to was the net value instead of +/-.

Definitely count my vote for removal.

However, be aware that the same problem members will find other ways to consume your time with childish disputes, whether it involves karma or not. Removing karma would slow it down for a little while until they found somet6hing else to fight about.

Want to solve the problem permanently? Get rid of Hot and Spicy. (that would make a nice db prune too)

Here's another suggestion that might work: only positive karma. No negative.

No more H&S? :'( :'( Then where would I wear my Merenge costume?
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Bonk on February 15, 2008, 09:08:32 am: Well our database has grown rather large, it would be good to make room for the more important Dynaverse and Modeling forums.

Though My favorite idea is only positive karma which would solve the issue and we could leave everything else as is.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Dracho on February 15, 2008, 09:23:49 am: Another idea would be, since nothing posted in H&S has any lasting impact on the game, once it drops off page 2, it's gone. Only allocate a finite amount of space to H&S and let it work like circular logging.

Why would we save a discussion about OJ Simpson indefinitely? It's nice to be able to have the discussions, but 99.9% of them have a usable shelf life of less than a week.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 09:39:17 am: Quote from: Dracho on February 15, 2008, 09:23:49 am
Another idea would be, since nothing posted in H&S has any lasting impact on the game, once it drops off page 2, it's gone. Only allocate a finite amount of space to H&S and let it work like circular logging.

Why would we save a discussion about OJ Simpson indefinitely? It's nice to be able to have the discussions, but 99.9% of them have a usable shelf life of less than a week.

How about page 4? Sometimes I still dig through the various pages, but rarely do I dig past page 5.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Vipre on February 15, 2008, 10:01:14 am: I'm of the same mind as most everyone else, if karma's a problem dump it. I give bumps when I read something that makes me laugh or is well thought out or thoughtful and when a modeler posts a model WIP that wows me. I won't give negative karma, if I don't like something written I'll ether say so or just ignore it. Dropping karma wouldn't be a big loss.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: KBF-Kurok on February 15, 2008, 10:21:05 am: Drop it
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Braxton_RIP on February 15, 2008, 12:25:29 pm: And she is gone!

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163379447.0.html
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 02:09:28 pm: well i hope that you will sweep the floor and not let it there so we wont walk on it as we pass there ? ;D
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Sirgod on February 15, 2008, 04:49:44 pm: Quote from: Dracho on February 15, 2008, 09:23:49 am
Another idea would be, since nothing posted in H&S has any lasting impact on the game, once it drops off page 2, it's gone. Only allocate a finite amount of space to H&S and let it work like circular logging.

Why would we save a discussion about OJ Simpson indefinitely? It's nice to be able to have the discussions, but 99.9% of them have a usable shelf life of less than a week.

I agree, a monthly pruning would be a good thing. Heck the only person I know of that can remember what Sethan posted back on July 2nd 3003 would be mush. That guy has to good a memory.

Stephen
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: FA Frey XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm: One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Dracho on February 15, 2008, 06:17:34 pm: If you feel that way about it.. perhaps we should have a bewbies forum..

Actually, 2 would be better. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Sirgod on February 15, 2008, 08:33:20 pm: Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Thanks Frey, that would be great.

Stephen
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm: Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm: Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 08:55:59 pm: Quote from: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.

Bewbies = A.K.A. Dirty Pillows, Fun Bags, Knockers, Hooters, Racks, Torpedoes, Headlights, Mountains/Molehills.

H&S is Hot and Spicy.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Sirgod on February 15, 2008, 08:57:03 pm: Quote from: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.

Bewbies are a gift from the Great Bewbie God ThePostman. It's a High Brow approach detailing the various Curvature of the Female species for artistic and Scientific research and Prosperity.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. :D

Stephen
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 09:32:06 pm: Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 15, 2008, 08:57:03 pm
Quote from: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.

Bewbies are a gift from the Great Bewbie God ThePostman. It's a High Brow approach detailing the various Curvature of the Female species for artistic and Scientific research and Prosperity.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. :D

Stephen

I can't believe you spelled prosperity. ;-p Also it was Clark that started the Bewbies thread. ;D
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Nemesis on February 15, 2008, 09:48:16 pm: Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 15, 2008, 08:57:03 pm
Bewbies are a gift from the Great Bewbie God ThePostman. It's a High Brow approach detailing the various Curvature of the Female species for artistic and Scientific research and Prosperity.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. :D

Stephen

I think the Bewbies thread should be deleted to conserve space.

I'm on dialup and can't "read" the bewbies thread very easily anyhow. Can you tell?
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Sirgod on February 15, 2008, 10:05:05 pm: Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 09:32:06 pm
Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 15, 2008, 08:57:03 pm
Quote from: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.

Bewbies are a gift from the Great Bewbie God ThePostman. It's a High Brow approach detailing the various Curvature of the Female species for artistic and Scientific research and Prosperity.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. :D

Stephen

I can't believe you spelled prosperity. ;-p Also it was Clark that started the Bewbies thread. ;D

Hey stop picking on us poor Dyslexics. :D Yeah Clark started it, But man Postman is the goto guy on that thread. More post by him then any other person.

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 15, 2008, 09:48:16 pm

I think the Bewbies thread should be deleted to conserve space.

I'm on dialup and can't "read" the bewbies thread very easily anyhow. Can you tell?

We need to do something about that Nem. Even my poor sat con is better then no Broadband at all.

stephen
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 15, 2008, 10:09:04 pm: Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 15, 2008, 10:05:05 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 09:32:06 pm
Quote from: Stephen NCC -73070 on February 15, 2008, 08:57:03 pm
Quote from: Don Karnage on February 15, 2008, 08:44:46 pm
Quote from: F9thCenturus on February 15, 2008, 08:36:22 pm
Quote from: FA_Frey_XC on February 15, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
One reason why H & S won't be going away:

1.) BEWBIES.

'Nuff said.

Now, on the pruning - if we could do it in such a way as to not affect BEWBIES, that'd be swell.

I'll look into it with our Admins.

Regards,

Bewbies is always on the first page of H&S. So maybe anything past page 4 or 5 of H&S is deleted from the datebase, that way the Bewbies thread is left untouched. Or does the db not work that way?

what's Bewbies?

i never ben to H&S before so.

Bewbies are a gift from the Great Bewbie God ThePostman. It's a High Brow approach detailing the various Curvature of the Female species for artistic and Scientific research and Prosperity.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face. :D

Stephen

I can't believe you spelled prosperity. ;-p Also it was Clark that started the Bewbies thread. ;D

Hey stop picking on us poor Dyslexics. :D Yeah Clark started it, But man Postman is the goto guy on that thread. More post by him then any other person.

Quote from: IKV Nemesis on February 15, 2008, 09:48:16 pm

I think the Bewbies thread should be deleted to conserve space.

I'm on dialup and can't "read" the bewbies thread very easily anyhow. Can you tell?

We need to do something about that Nem. Even my poor sat con is better then no Broadband at all.

stephen

Although I've never been tested, there's a reasonable chance I might be dyslexic myself. It's extremely genetic in my family. And very true, Postman loves to post bewbies, but to be honest, I haven't looked in that thread since before I left.

As for the pictures in the bewbies thread, maybe we can archive them for download on a protected ftp or something if you wanna free up space.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: I, Mudd. on February 16, 2008, 08:49:32 am: Why am I just now hearing about Boobage in H&S?!?

I never signed up because I figured it was a bullsh*t area for folks to pop off and flame each other ... but ... there's boobage?!? That makes it so worth while to sign up ...

"Here I kneel on bended knee ... Oh, Great Boob of the Galaxy, hear my plea ... the only thing better than one is two, you'll agree ... Please give me access and bewbies to see!"

:D

JM.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am: I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Age on February 16, 2008, 03:44:11 pm: Yeah I am glad to one who ended up with Neg. around -26 or so.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: E_Look on February 18, 2008, 01:35:25 am: Quote from: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am
I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.

:laugh:

You mean that was all that was stopping you??!!

:rofl:
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Dizzy on February 18, 2008, 02:19:08 am: Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on February 18, 2008, 01:35:25 am
Quote from: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am
I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.

:laugh:

You mean that was all that was stopping you??!!

:rofl:

Well, yeah. Perception with a lot of people is king. So as a server admin, my credibility may be damaged when trying to host a server with negative karma... However, if Karma worked only in the threads it were used in and not carry over for all to see in other threads and such, then it'd be a different story. But as it was, karma was showing it's ugly head in forums that it shouldn't imo.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Sirgod on February 18, 2008, 08:38:03 am: Somehow, I doubt the Guy who Brought us Green Chics would get much Negative Karma in Hot and spicey, No matter how big his mouth was. :D :D :D

J/K ya Dizzy.

Stephen
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Dizzy on February 20, 2008, 03:26:55 am: Im testing the waters.

How'd u like Berte in her Pink Spartan outfit?
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: NuclearWessels on February 21, 2008, 07:36:36 am: Quote from: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am
I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.

Oh gawd, I see it now ...

Ladies and gentlemen, the dawn of a new era ...

DIZZY II -- DIZZY UNLEASHED!!!!

;D
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: Centurus on February 21, 2008, 08:05:33 am: Quote from: NuclearWessels on February 21, 2008, 07:36:36 am
Quote from: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am
I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.

Oh gawd, I see it now ...

Ladies and gentlemen, the dawn of a new era ...

DIZZY II -- DIZZY UNLEASHED!!!!

;D

From the previews i've seen so far, I think I'd settle for watching Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes again.
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: el-Karnak on February 21, 2008, 11:46:16 am: Quote from: NuclearWessels on February 21, 2008, 07:36:36 am
Quote from: Dizzy on February 16, 2008, 11:03:18 am
I am SO glad karma is gone, lol. Now I can just be my good ole self. :angel:

Ahhhhh. Now I just need to find the right kinda thread to start some sh*t in. Hey, someone give me access to hot and spicy. Bout time I had a place to go to speak my mind.

Oh gawd, I see it now ...

Ladies and gentlemen, the dawn of a new era ...

DIZZY II -- DIZZY UNLEASHED!!!!

;D

Star Trek III "The Search for Dizzy". We have found Dizzy's katra. ;D
Title: Re: The Karma System
Post by: KBF MalaK on February 23, 2008, 02:08:04 pm: The karma system isn't really important but it does help remind me to temper my opinions, and to choose my words carefully.