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Title: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Bonk on June 17, 2008, 01:13:50 pm
I find it much snappier. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: FCM_SFHQ_XC on June 17, 2008, 02:02:57 pm
I'm downloading it now :)

EDIT:
humm, it does seem to do a much better job the Firefox 2 :D
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Just plain old Punisher on June 17, 2008, 04:28:15 pm
Where you downloading it from? The main site seems to be overloaded.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: KBF-Kurok on June 17, 2008, 05:35:01 pm
yes and it is  faster i got it when it asked ne to update.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Akira_Commander567 on June 17, 2008, 07:27:02 pm
I haven't used it yet, but I'll try to get it soon.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: jualdeaux on June 17, 2008, 07:43:43 pm
I just downloaded it from download.com
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Akira_Commander567 on June 17, 2008, 07:53:44 pm
There's a site for downloading everything now! What next!?! Bunnies with miniguns and grenades!
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Lepton on June 17, 2008, 09:02:56 pm
I hate the address bar now.  Hate it.  You get these monstrous entries in the drop-down list and the search functionality for address is not what it was before.  It now looks for content on visited pages instead of the URL itself.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Akira_Commander567 on June 18, 2008, 08:39:23 am
Thanks for telling me, no I won't have to get it. I always wait for suckers.... er, I mean people to tell me if the thing is worth the time in trying to get it.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Bonk on June 18, 2008, 09:31:22 am
I hate the address bar now.  Hate it.  You get these monstrous entries in the drop-down list and the search functionality for address is not what it was before.  It now looks for content on visited pages instead of the URL itself.


I saw comments about it on /. and I expected to be bothered by it as well, but I hardly notice, really, I just keep using the address bar as I always have. Currently all I see is dramatically improved overall performance.

You could try setting browser.urlbar.matchBehavior (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.matchBehavior) to 2 to simulate the old behaviour if it bothers you that much.

Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Akira_Commander567 on June 18, 2008, 09:34:37 am
I'm sticking with what I have thank you.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Lepton on June 18, 2008, 07:44:27 pm
I installed the oldbar extension, which reverts the look and functionality to Firefox 2.  I don't know who thought that this crapulent address bar in the new version was acceptable.  It looks ugly and functions oddly.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Akira_Commander567 on June 18, 2008, 08:00:24 pm
I prefer what's been around for a long time, type in site name and click go.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Pestalence_XC on June 19, 2008, 01:13:41 am
This and the Security Vulnerability in FF 3 when going to spyware infected sites.. more reasons why I like a properly configured IE .. especially IE 8. Using IE now for 12+ years.. 0 spyware, virus, Trojan, or tracking cookies.. :)

I put FF on my old rig for a week.. FF2 I believe.. and within a week, I had 2 Viruses.. not something to convince me to switch over.. now that IE 8 is Acid 2 compliant, and is being patched up for Acid 3 for the Final Release.. FF still has a long way to go.. IE was Acid 2 before FF and IE will be Acid 3 before FF.. and if Safari can't get things together soon, IE will pass them up as well.

IE 8 (in IE 8 compliance mode) supports all the Alphas in PNG now even in IE 7 compatibility mode (non compliance mode).

I never did like the FF look. It is too jumbled for my tastes.. IE looks good out the get go, and simple right click commands allows you to configure on the fly within 1 or 2 seconds.. I'm not sure how FF is on this.. but IE ito me is extremely user friendly, especially IE8.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on June 19, 2008, 02:52:58 pm
They had a cake for the launch. (http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/06/sweet-plugin-microsoft-cake-20-for-firefox-3/)

Those already using Firefox 3.0 might find this site (http://lifehacker.com/396312/power-users-guide-to-firefox-3) useful
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Age on June 19, 2008, 07:31:49 pm
I installed the oldbar extension, which reverts the look and functionality to Firefox 2.  I don't know who thought that this crapulent address bar in the new version was acceptable.  It looks ugly and functions oddly.
When it comes to the address bar all you do is type in the address and hit enter and it help out for coping and pasting in several thread.What I like about FF is that there is Ad Block Plus and No Script which doesn't come with IE as I get pops up on IE.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Tulwar on June 19, 2008, 08:04:26 pm
Got rid of FireFox three months ago.  After an update, it started locking up my computer.  I don't need that.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: FCM_SFHQ_XC on June 19, 2008, 08:15:31 pm
I keep it as a secondary browser, where if IE doesn't work on a site, Firefox probably will.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on June 19, 2008, 09:00:40 pm
Got rid of FireFox three months ago.  After an update, it started locking up my computer.  I don't need that.

After a patch to IE (on Win98SE) I was no longer able to access the internet with any programs, so I stopped using IE as of version 5.x.  I moved on to Mozilla (now Sea Monkey) then to Firefox 1.0.  Of course I now mostly use Firefox 2.0.0.14 on LinuxMint.

Different people, different problems show up. 
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Pestalence_XC on June 19, 2008, 09:34:02 pm
I installed the oldbar extension, which reverts the look and functionality to Firefox 2.  I don't know who thought that this crapulent address bar in the new version was acceptable.  It looks ugly and functions oddly.
When it comes to the address bar all you do is type in the address and hit enter and it help out for coping and pasting in several thread.What I like about FF is that there is Ad Block Plus and No Script which doesn't come with IE as I get pops up on IE.

IE has pop up blocker built in.. it is defaulted to a medium setting.. you can go into Internet Tools and go into Security, and click on Properties for Pop Up Blocker and set to maximum..  You will get 0 pop ups.. However if a site needs to have pop ups, then all you have to do is right click and select Do Not Filter This Site or use the yellow ribbon at the top of the explorer window..

In IE 6, it was a separate DL add on. It is integrated in IE 7 and newer.

IE 7 and newer also has a Phishing filter built in as well.


Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Pestalence_XC on June 19, 2008, 09:38:21 pm
I keep it as a secondary browser, where if IE doesn't work on a site, Firefox probably will.

IE 8 can view any site.. it has a button at the top that says Emulate IE7, which puts it into non compliance mode.. this mode you would use 90% of the time when viewing the web.. if a site looks weird or broken in IE7 mode, unselect the button , close the window, open the windows again, and go back to the site.. the site will show up correctly now since the browser will be in IE8 mode or "compliance mode". Emulate IE7 button puts the browser into "Non Compliance mode" for the rest of the web coded for older versions of IE.

Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Bonk on June 20, 2008, 09:51:37 pm
Got rid of FireFox three months ago.  After an update, it started locking up my computer.  I don't need that.

It was released on the 17th. Months ago you would have been running a beta or release candidate which you can expect to be unstable.

I put FF on my old rig for a week.. FF2 I believe.. and within a week, I had 2 Viruses.. not something to convince me to switch over.. now that IE 8 is Acid 2 compliant, and is being patched up for Acid 3 for the Final Release.. FF still has a long way to go.. IE was Acid 2 before FF and IE will be Acid 3 before FF.. and if Safari can't get things together soon, IE will pass them up as well.

Oh come on. we are all too old for ACID. ;)

My favourite browser is QNX's Voyager. I still have a copy of Mosaic on my hard disk...  :P Lynx is up there too, and OMG ITS NOT ACID compliant! How could I think of using it!! (All in good fun Pestalence - just a little perspective.)

Correlation is not causation re your virus experience. Though I sympathise, because I see ICQ that way from back in 99.

I can use almost any browser securely. Security, when it comes to IE vs FF at this point depends mostly on the user and their familiarity with the product.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: FCM_SFHQ_XC on June 21, 2008, 12:46:03 am
Well firefox CAN reconstruct some missing code that IE cannot
(I.E. <-- **** --> HTML comment system, if your missing <--  firefox will reconstruct that, while IE will not)
While IE can run certain sites that firefox cannot either..
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on June 21, 2008, 07:08:48 am
Got rid of FireFox three months ago.  After an update, it started locking up my computer.  I don't need that.

It was released on the 17th. Months ago you would have been running a beta or release candidate which you can expect to be unstable.

The question here is was he saying "Got rid of FireFox V3,  months ago." or "Got rid of FireFox, 3 months ago. ". 

If he was referring to the V3 then you are right.  If he was referring to the time period 3 months then you are wrong.   In either case he might consider trying it again now that the V3 release is here. Up to him really.  Just as I could have tried IE again once I changed out the hardware it was incompatible with, but I was happy with Mozilla then Firefox so why bother?  Now that most of my browsing is on Linux that of course won't happen.  He may well be in the "I'm happy with IE so why bother?" category just as I was with Mozilla and am with Firefox.  When and if he feels the need for something Firefox offers that IE does not provide he can try it again if he wishes.

Myself I'm waiting for V3 to enter the repositories I use for LinuxMint before I update my main machine.  My gaming machine is now updated but I haven't used it much for browsing sinxe last August.  Sometime this weekend I'll update my mothers Windows machine to V3 as well.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Bonk on June 22, 2008, 06:31:49 am
Got rid of FireFox three months ago.  After an update, it started locking up my computer.  I don't need that.

It was released on the 17th. Months ago you would have been running a beta or release candidate which you can expect to be unstable.

The question here is was he saying "Got rid of FireFox V3,  months ago." or "Got rid of FireFox, 3 months ago. ". 

Doh! :smackhead:
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: USS Mariner on June 22, 2008, 08:45:08 am
(This image contains BSG $$$SPOLIERS$$$ from the last episode.)

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9408/craptl2.th.png) (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9408/craptl2.png)

I now have all my addons updated. It feels much better in most ways than FF2. I'm loving the new keyhole design for the Back/Forward buttons, especially with the Phoenity theme. All-In-One Sidebar and Tab Mix Plus (FF3 Beta) work well, and ImageBot seems to load faster too. Also, IE Tab allows me to switch to IE8 inside a tab if I need to.

Even with the issues some people have been having, Micro$oft should take some lessons, rather than just doing this:

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4696/vistacornerscc0.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Tulwar on June 22, 2008, 09:23:15 am
Sorry, for not being clear, I would have used a comma if I had meant, "Firefox 3, months ago."  Then again, I still post with incorrect punctuation and spelling errors all the time, so how can you tell?  I've had problems with non-IE browsers locking up my computer, but would really like another browser that I could use surfing the more dangerous parts of the web.  It's not that I fear security problems with IE, I just don't want cookies from site like this one to mingle with cookies from sites that may be run by thieves.  The last time I ran Firefox, it locked up my computer with only three windows open.

Firefox3 supposed to be stable?  Maybe I'll give it another try.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on June 22, 2008, 09:53:30 am
It's not that I fear security problems with IE, I just don't want cookies from site like this one to mingle with cookies from sites that may be run by thieves.  The last time I ran Firefox, it locked up my computer with only three windows open.

Firefox3 supposed to be stable?  Maybe I'll give it another try.


Have you considered using a Linux Live (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/) CD for browsing "questionable sites"?

The advantage of such a thing is that you don't need to install them and each time you reboot it is "fresh" and uncontaminated.  When experimenting with LinuxMint I used the bootable CD to browse online without installing.  You can also install some of them to a USB Key (aka thumbdrive, though I found it slow when I tried that with LinuxMint).

(Ubuntu is just one of many variants if you don't like Ubuntu you can use others.)
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: jualdeaux on June 22, 2008, 07:54:19 pm
Another possibility is to try our something like Portable Apps. It runs all sorts of programs from a flash drive, CD even an iPod. And when you use FF3 it doesn't place any files on the hard drive. In fact, at no times do any files get added to the hard drive from any of the portable programs.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Age on June 23, 2008, 04:10:17 pm
I mostly use FF for big image sites IE can't handle and I use IE mostly for downloading.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: toasty0 on June 25, 2008, 02:01:03 pm
http://www.arcanology.com/2008/06/17/ie-sends-mozilla-a-new-cake-for-firefox-3/

I really like the picture.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on June 27, 2008, 08:06:52 pm
PCPro (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/27/firefox-3-already-rules-the-roost/) has an interesting breakdown on their users and the rate of upgrade for both Firefox and IE.  It seems that Firefox users upgrade to the newer version quicker. 

Quote
Here’s the breakdown of Firefox browser versions visiting [url=http://www.pcpro.co.uk]www.pcpro.co.uk[/url] this week:

1. Firefox 3.0 - 55.13%
2. Firefox 2.0.0.14 - 39.27%
3. Firefox 2.0.0.11 - 0.96%

And for comparison, here’s the breakdown for Internet Explorer:

1. Internet Explorer 7 - 68.86%
2. Internet Explorer 6 - 30.97%
3. Internet Explorer 8 - 0.09%


I'm still on Firefox 2.0.0.14 as I wait for Firefox 3 to enter the software repository for my version of Linux.  I do have it updated on my Windows machine but don't use it much.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Javora on June 27, 2008, 08:57:56 pm
I've been using Firefox 3 for about week now and it seems pretty good, not as fast as people claim but still a good program.  I do like the bigger back button, nice touch.
Title: Re: Anyone using Firefox 3 yet?
Post by: Nemesis on July 04, 2008, 07:21:57 am
Link to full article (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/06/microsoft-abandons-internet-explorer-8.html)

Quote
Ballmer said that Firefox 3.0 will be the standard browser included with Windows 7 installations along and will replace Internet Explorer 7 on Windows Vista SP2. “We’ve been looking for something to try to salvage Vista, and this could be it,” said Ballmer.