Post by: Thu11s on March 27, 2003, 07:19:09 am
and a comparison with the FireHawk
More updates soon
Thu11s
Post by: Rogue on March 27, 2003, 08:57:48 am
Sorry, I meant to make this comment with Andurils Condor WIP. I thought it to be funny. (easily amused) Never mind, I'm out to make myself laugh, if no one else.
Anyway, I really appreciate your work on the Romulans. Certainly look great for a TMP fleet. And I am dearly fond of your firehawk and sparrowhawk. They were really crying out to be done. Yours set a high level of excellence.
How do feel about the warp extensions at the end of the Condor's wings? To my eye they don't quite fit. Perhaps eliminate them and rotate the engines 90 degrees? Or drop them down like jet engines near the end of the wings. Just a thought.
Post by: sandman69247 on March 27, 2003, 09:04:11 am
Keep 'em coming.
Post by: Captain KoraH on March 27, 2003, 10:17:49 am
Post by: Marauth on March 27, 2003, 12:08:46 pm
Thu11s - what ever happened to that kick-ass Skyhawk you posted pics of when you first showed us the Killerhawk and Sparrowhawk? It looked almost finished - had most of the textures already on it.
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on March 27, 2003, 06:45:45 pm
Outstanding! The Romulans definitely need more ships!
Qa Pla!
KF
Post by: RipperMan on March 27, 2003, 08:58:37 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on March 28, 2003, 12:37:12 am
Killerhawk/Firehawk. (Which IMO it should.) Maybe, reaching back a little closer to the TOS era with Klingo/Romulan
lines being very obvious. That's what it speaks to me, anyway
Post by: Marauth on March 28, 2003, 11:25:20 am
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I like this because it looks a little "out of date", older generation than the
Killerhawk/Firehawk. (Which IMO it should.) Maybe, reaching back a little closer to the TOS era with Klingo/Romulan
lines being very obvious. That's what it speaks to me, anyway
Well yeah, but that's what the old series ships are - the Condor was pretty much the last ship the Romulans came up with when everyone else started making DNs and BBs, the only ships that came after it were the King Condor (BB) and the 2 X-ships which I don't know the name of... The ship has the same Klink style engines of the other new series ships (as opposed to the fed style cigar nacelles from the old series ships) the 2 separate hulls with an interconnecting boom - like the Klink ships as opposed to the single hull designs of the old series. Also it's kind of absurd that the Rommies would have built a Dreadnought before any actually useful cruiser and frigate designs because although the old series ships could serve admirably as overpowered firgates and the Klink trade ships could act as reserve ships (they were the very bottom rung of the Klink navy - mostly mothballed ships) the Rommies REALLY badly needed a new fleet of cruisers and destroyers - not overpowered Dreadnought behemoths.
Post by: Desty_Nova on March 28, 2003, 02:36:07 pm
Post by: Marauth on March 28, 2003, 03:11:06 pm
Post by: Thu11s on March 28, 2003, 06:22:51 pm
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Thu11s Would you mind if I take some ships from your site to use in my TNZ mod? I'm adding the Gorn to the mod and I need a good base model
Yup, go for your life. As i say to everyone else, give credit where its due. All my downloads have 'credit.txt' files, see these for the origin of each model
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Well yeah, but that's what the old series ships are - the Condor was pretty much the last ship the Romulans came up with when everyone else started making DNs and BBs, the only ships that came after it were the King Condor (BB) and the 2 X-ships which I don't know the name of... The ship has the same Klink style engines of the other new series ships (as opposed to the fed style cigar nacelles from the old series ships) the 2 separate hulls with an interconnecting boom - like the Klink ships as opposed to the single hull designs of the old series. Also it's kind of absurd that the Rommies would have built a Dreadnought before any actually useful cruiser and frigate designs because although the old series ships could serve admirably as overpowered firgates and the Klink trade ships could act as reserve ships (they were the very bottom rung of the Klink navy - mostly mothballed ships) the Rommies REALLY badly needed a new fleet of cruisers and destroyers - not overpowered Dreadnought behemoths.
Ok, As I stated when i made the first FireHawk model (and pretty much most of my models), I've tried to create TMP era ships (being a TMP freak) that follow the lines of the old SFB style ships (ie, top down view of the old SSD's and being an old time Sfb'r) and the SFB history. Hence the Romulans that follow a design lineage that is uniquely Romulan, but has clear roots in Klingon design, using Klingon based technology (see the klink style warp nacelles and so on). Since the Romulans never developed there own Warp technology but 'exchanged' with the Klinks, in my eyes, it makes sense that there nacelle design would stay close to the original style as would the overall layout of ship, again folowing on from the original Kestrel series ships (Klingon ships for non SFB'rs). Bascially they took the best points of the old Eagle series (War Eagles etc) and the mid Kestrel series (KDR's etc) and developed the Hawk series (SparrowHawk and FireHawk etc). They attempted to strike a balance between the old ships general hard as nails design and the Klingon's light, manouverability style. The end result was a powerful design series that was equivalent to the 'War' versions of other races. In essence, the SkyHawk could be considered a War Destroyer and the SparrowHawk a War Cruiser and so on (the KillerHawk was only ever built to replace a destroyed DN for example!) Add to this, I've also tried to incorporate a style that could concievably lead to the Next Gen style of Warbird etc, again showing a logical progress in design. So in all, you get a TMP style ship that has roots in TOS Klingons that leads to TNG Romulans! Kinda brain ache stuff when designing it, but I think im getting there!
Anyway, be out soon, along with the SkyHawk
Rant over
Thu11s
Post by: Bernard Guignard on March 28, 2003, 06:54:01 pm
Its looking very good looking forward to seeing the final product keep up the great work
Post by: Marauth on March 29, 2003, 06:58:16 am
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Hence the Romulans that follow a design lineage that is uniquely Romulan, but has clear roots in Klingon design, using Klingon based technology (see the klink style warp nacelles and so on). Since the Romulans never developed there own Warp technology but 'exchanged' with the Klinks, in my eyes, it makes sense that there nacelle design would stay close to the original style as would the overall layout of ship, again folowing on from the original Kestrel series ships (Klingon ships for non SFB'rs).
Oh dear! What a can of worms that is - I know in SFB they said that the Romulans never developed their own warp drive but that is just plain BS - same as the FASA assumption that the Klingons would have TNG ships with Excelsior nacelles and phasers. It is impossible that the Romulans could have maintained any kind of empire behind the neutral zone inbetween the Romulan-Earth war and TOS, also I don't care what anyone says they could never have reached Earth during the war (which was quoted in that TOS ep. Balance of Terror I believe it was) or even cross the neutral zone with 1 War Eagle to fight the Enterprise. It was a scripting error that GR himself disowned anyway - the Romulans had warp drive at least by the 2250s to fight their war with Earth - on www.ex-astris-scientia.org there is a very nice article about this which raises the possibility that Scotty's line 'their power is simple impulse' actually meant they used a fusion powered engine core - which is what the Fed's use for their impulse engines, however it is possible the Rommies used it to power their warp drive.
Rant over
LOLOh and the new sweep of the wings looks alot better, much more agressive.
Post by: Marauth on March 31, 2003, 02:26:33 pm
Any news Thu11s?
Post by: Lord Schtupp on March 31, 2003, 02:54:34 pm
Post by: Captain KoraH on April 01, 2003, 01:42:56 am
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 03, 2003, 04:02:59 pm
Post by: Steelviper33 on April 07, 2003, 07:44:33 pm
And I throw a bump out there too
Post by: starforce2 on April 08, 2003, 07:11:48 am
Post by: Marauth on April 08, 2003, 03:26:17 pm
Thu11s - any info, please? Even telling us they wont be out till christmas would be better than not telling us anything... Erm, no wait scrap that, just release em when ready...
BTW Thu11s - what part of London are you in/from, I from the northeast, well right on the edge of Essex actually, kind of a bad image really - you know that show 'Essex Wives'? Just a few blocks away from us they filmed that!
Post by: Thu11s on April 12, 2003, 02:38:55 am
Been busy at work doing extra days covering peoples holidays
But my days off have been spent out on my bike whilst the weathers been good, so it's not all bad 
. Next week is my short week (only in Wed & Thurs) so hopefully have this and the SkyHawk done for the end of the week (fingers crossed!)Quote:
BTW Thu11s - what part of London are you in/from, I from the northeast, well right on the edge of Essex actually, kind of a bad image really - you know that show 'Essex Wives'? Just a few blocks away from us they filmed that!
I'm in over in West London just down the road from Heathrow, a poky little town called West Drayton
Thu11s
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on April 12, 2003, 05:38:20 am
Qa Pla!
KF
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on April 16, 2003, 01:55:54 pm
My Romulan and Prime Industres ships are in for a boost.
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on April 18, 2003, 04:14:56 pm
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on April 24, 2003, 05:44:47 pm
BUMP for news!
Thulls, ADB should approach you to do a TMP miniatures line...
Qapla!
KF
Post by: Marauth on April 24, 2003, 06:02:04 pm
Anyway BUMP - Thu11s where are you man? You've not got trapped by that evil alien lifeform they call real life again have you?
Post by: Thu11s on April 25, 2003, 07:41:25 am
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Thu11s where are you man? You've not got trapped by that evil alien lifeform they call real life again have you?
Shhhh, Im at work..... Yup, real life has its evil, ugly & corrupted hand on me again :/ Currently a 6 day week for me this week, 12 hours a day
Did lates last night and on earlies this morning so have had about 4 hours kip 
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Classic though it would be to have miniatures of Thu11s' ships (I'm still trying to figure out how to go about scratchbuilding a Firehawk) ADB would have to manufacture them in the reviled 1/3000-and-somethingth scale (I forget exactly what scale those miniatures are in) - besides ADB models always suck. Obviously we need a garage company to make 1/1400th scale resin models of Thu11s' work.
Easy way to do this (although expensive, maybe hard to get someone/somewhere to do it, relatively time consuming, so maybe not easy!) is convert the 3ds files to a format AutoCAD can handle and get them made using Stereolithography (pretty sure thats what its called, been a while since Uni). It's a manufacturing process where you have a vat of liquid plastic (not sure which one) and a platform that goes down into the liquid. It starts at the top and lasers (UV I think) are fired onto the surface of the liquid setting it in the shape you want. As the platform moves down, it slowly builds up a 3d shape by setting layer upon layer. You can make pretty much limitless shapes with it, even hollow shapes with no holes or weld lines. Saves time and money in not needing tooling, you just send info from the PC and off it goes. Little effort but expensive. It's mainly used for prototyping if memory serves
Anyhooo, slightly OT, the SkyHawk is now done and just the head and boom section of the Condor need doing. I'm off work Sunday thru till Tuesday so hopefully get them up then
Sorry for the lack of updates all round, but by the time i get home it's either real late or the last thing i wanna do is stare at ANOTHER monitor, as at work I'm in a room by myself with 16 monitors!!! can you say "Radiation", lol
Thu11s
Post by: Captain KoraH on April 25, 2003, 12:55:57 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 25, 2003, 07:13:05 pm
Post by: Anthony_Scott on April 25, 2003, 08:30:12 pm
-bump-LOL
Post by: Bubba91873 on April 25, 2003, 08:32:34 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 27, 2003, 08:18:50 am
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on April 28, 2003, 07:13:41 pm
Page two indeed!!!!
Hey Thulls, check this out at Sci-Fi meshes: http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/data/501/546the_ambush-med.jpg
KF
Post by: Qob'nuH on April 28, 2003, 08:16:29 pm
Looks like it would go well with your expanding Rom fleet.
Post by: Captain KoraH on April 29, 2003, 11:34:53 am
Post by: Thu11s on April 29, 2003, 04:10:19 pm
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Hey Thu11s lets get some updated screenshots!
K, this is the current situ, was kinda unhappy/not feeling perfectionist enough about some of the texturing, so have re-worked some of the hull textures. This is it so far. feel alot happier wtih it now. Before, the hull plating didn't stand out enough and the mapping didn't line up too brilliant, so it got redone!
and a close up of the big bird itself (again reworked)
Also tidied up some of the mesh aswell as redone some texturing on the SkyHawk. Add to this, I've tidied up some of the shield sizing on the ISC CL and CLS which will all go public in a couple of days. I'm planning for a Feral Yards update at the weekend, where both this and the SkyHawk will be available, maybe some others depending how busy I am
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 30, 2003, 12:24:09 am
Post by: Rhaz on April 30, 2003, 08:49:40 am
Cheers,
Post by: RipperMan on April 30, 2003, 03:50:24 pm
I too have not been able to do much art wise :-(
I am glad to see that you and some others are tho in this busy time of year.
some quick messages
Thu11s - let me know if you want me to publish this ship on the FW front page
KF - when you gonna send me those ship pics!
CKORAH - send me an e-mail when u get a free moment.
Awesome work all ;-)
Post by: Bernard Guignard on April 30, 2003, 05:45:37 pm
Kee up the fantastic work.
Post by: Captain KoraH on May 01, 2003, 05:32:15 pm
Post by: Qob'nuH on May 02, 2003, 10:31:14 pm
Post by: Scorpion on May 02, 2003, 10:40:53 pm
Keep up the good work!
Post by: Qob'nuH on May 04, 2003, 06:55:52 am
Also tidied up some of the mesh aswell as redone some texturing on the SkyHawk. Add to this, I've tidied up some of the shield sizing on the ISC CL and CLS which will all go public in a couple of days. I'm planning for a Feral Yards update at the weekend, where both this and the SkyHawk will be available, maybe some others depending how busy I am
Waiting patiently,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ok that was lie, How's the update coming? Any chance you may expand on your Orion section? I very much like the concept...dark hull, looks like its made for fast ,forward assault.
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on May 04, 2003, 08:44:02 am
More Romulan targets on the way.... yeah!
KF
Post by: Qob'nuH on May 04, 2003, 05:39:07 pm
Post by: Anthony_Scott on May 05, 2003, 05:26:33 am
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Trying to keep this one" page 1".
My sentiments too! Elements help me but I am beginning to like Rommie ships more and more! I always had a fondness for those bird designs on the bottom of their ships..not only are they pretty but they make convenient aiming points!LMAO
Okay, just joshing...but gods, those are some pretty ships..If only I couild get these new skins for the Firehawk to work i would be VERY happy!
I am gonna soooo like this new Rommie!
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on May 05, 2003, 09:26:25 pm
The TOS episode "The Doomsday Machine" music can be heard in the background...
Kirk: "Thulls, now would be a good time to post those Romulans"
VISUAL: Doomsday Machine bearing down/Impulse engine Fusion explosion countdown
Kirk: "Thulls, no would be a REALLY good time to post those Romulans"
Seriously...
BUMP to page 1.
KF
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on May 07, 2003, 05:24:03 pm
Post by: Marauth on May 08, 2003, 11:04:54 am
Oh for God's sake I'm too impatient, Thu11s release the ships man! I cannae take n' more!
Post by: Qob'nuH on May 09, 2003, 02:24:19 pm
4/29/03
Also tidied up some of the mesh aswell as redone some texturing on the SkyHawk. Add to this, I've tidied up some of the shield sizing on the ISC CL and CLS which will all go public in a couple of days. I'm planning for a Feral Yards update at the weekend, where both this and the SkyHawk will be available, maybe some others depending how busy I am
5/9/03
Uhhh, just curious...what weekend were you talking about? Damn that intrusion called "real life". How's that big bad bird coming along?
Post by: Qob'nuH on May 10, 2003, 05:24:12 pm
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on May 13, 2003, 09:47:25 pm
I'm just doing my part to keep the Romulan-Klingon [SFB/TOS-TMP Era] alliance alive!
BUMP!
KF
Post by: Marauth on May 14, 2003, 11:37:22 am
Thu11s, it's a nice sunny day out today, why don't you cloister yourself away and release those Rommies instead of enjoying the sunshine like a 'real world' person
LOLOL is there any news Thu11s?
Post by: WhiteKnight on May 14, 2003, 01:22:13 pm
Post by: Klingon Fanatic on May 15, 2003, 09:21:12 pm
Lets keep the Romulan Model theme going.
Thulls, I did find a copy of the original early ISC cruiser you made.
Thanks again.
KF
Post by: Anthony_Scott on May 16, 2003, 08:24:26 pm
Post by: Marauth on May 20, 2003, 12:34:29 pm
Post by: SPQR Renegade001 on May 22, 2003, 10:53:35 pm
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Anybody else notice that a good chunk of the folks who have bumped this thread are Klingon?
Trust me (did I say that?). There are Romulans watching and waiting.
Were always watching... especially when you don't see us.