Post by: CptCastrin on April 24, 2003, 08:43:16 am
Post by: FatherTed on April 24, 2003, 09:13:36 am
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 24, 2003, 09:36:44 am
http://www.sfcx.org/downloads/mirrors/NuclearWessels/OPMissions.zip
dave
Post by: CptCastrin on April 24, 2003, 09:46:32 am
http://www.sfcx.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=31
Dave, are you planing on another update soon? Firesoul mentioned the possibility.
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on April 24, 2003, 09:59:40 am
I'm splitting my time about 50/50 between Reclamation and Litterbox 3. I can actually afford a decent ship on Reclamation...just haven't seen one yet....heheh.
Me <----<<< Still railing at the fact that the only D5L I've seen appeared when I had 6 pp in the bank. Oh, the humanity...
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 10:03:44 am
.. after all, I'm currently flying a L-BTP
-- Luc
Post by: jimmi7769 on April 24, 2003, 10:15:55 am
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I'm sure that if you manage to increase the economy of your empire, you'll see ships you will like...
.. after all, I'm currently flying a L-BTP
-- Luc
Well whooptiy frickin' do!!! I'm still in the F5D I got for the F5C to disintegrated around me. ;-)
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on April 24, 2003, 10:19:50 am
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I'm sure that if you manage to increase the economy of your empire, you'll see ships you will like...
.. after all, I'm currently flying a L-BTP
-- Luc
I'm trying, Luc....I'm the only Klingon on the server and I've managed to take two 20 DV, 20-point astreroid fields all by myself in the past two days. I'm sure you'll agree that 40 missions in a D5 on that server is quite a lot of work.
I also grabbed a 5-point, 10 dv empty hex. That's 45 econ in 2 1/2 days and I'm still only seeing oe or two ships at a time...and they always seem to either be some tug or a survey cruiser. Oog! Post by: jimmi7769 on April 24, 2003, 10:20:59 am
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on April 24, 2003, 10:31:22 am
Post by: jimmi7769 on April 24, 2003, 10:53:41 am
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I didn't count you because the last and only time I've seen you there you had a poofy fuscia frog suit on.
Yeah well, I lost that ship on the first mission and went back to a brighter shade of red.
On another note, I CTD'd during the new data recovery mission on reclamation.
here's the setup: Me in my trusty F5D(no it doesn't even have a B refit) and an allied LDR troop ship(at least it had P-G's vs. 2 Gorn Whoknowswhatzits(a tug and a troop DD I think)
I blew of the DD and left my buddy to take our the Tug while I headed to the listening post.
After I got to it it started shooting at me and the shock must have been to much for my PC because here I am now typing this stupid message.
Anyway, watch out for the new data recovery mission it appears to have a little bug.
P.S. It put down money on a new FWC!!!! Now just gotta wait 30 minutes to get it ;-)
Post by: jdmckinney on April 24, 2003, 11:15:41 am
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 11:51:45 am
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I'm trying, Luc....I'm the only Klingon on the server and I've managed to take two 20 DV, 20-point astreroid fields all by myself in the past two days. I'm sure you'll agree that 40 missions in a D5 on that server is quite a lot of work.
Don't blame me.. someone let the Pandora box of SPECIAL loose.
.. as for taking hexes... wait till my artwork's done.
-- Luc
Post by: Mog on April 24, 2003, 12:07:46 pm
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on April 24, 2003, 12:12:52 pm
I noted a D7B got built as one of our two ships every 30 mins in 2276. Are LYAs set up for ships and if so...how long after a refit comes out does the obsolete ship continue to be produced?
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 12:15:05 pm
..'someone' played with it.. on the " admin " side.
-- Luc
Post by: KBF-Dogmatix on April 24, 2003, 12:22:40 pm
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Doggy, you haven't been the only Klingon on. I've seen CaptStumpy on at times. And, me being my usual generous self, I helped lower a couple of 20 econ hexes last time I was on, 7 14 I think was one, for the Klingons. Anyway, it makes a change fr us Lyrans to be the dominant race lol. Now it's just a pity that there are no players to fight. I guess the Alliance is playing on Litterbox and the Coalition on Reclamation - pretty funny.
I'm playing on both. LB3 has pretty much been a cakewalk for the Alliance from the start due to low Coalition player turnout. I actually switched sides because I just couldn't be a part of "The Horde" on a second-straight server. Being the underdog is fun and all, but it gets a little tiring at time and then I go to Reclamation to have my hull abused by hordes of Gorn ships and my bank raided by the profiteering at stardock.
Post by: CptCastrin on April 24, 2003, 12:32:53 pm
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I said don't blame the shiplist.
'someone' played with it.. on the " admin " side.
-- Luc
Actually AFAIK there was very little modification to your shiplist server side. I think the main problem is not the list (which is great) but how the kit "picks" what it builds, I have never truely understood it's method and I've been running these for quite some time.
Having said that though we do want people to have more choices and thus we've tweaked some settings that should help keep ships available for much longer. Prior to this the yards were clearing at the same rate they were builing, good if you build lots but not so when production is so minimal. This has now been changed. Production remains the same but ships will stay longer in the yards. We'll see if that creates a better varity.
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 12:35:55 pm
.. how?
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 24, 2003, 12:46:10 pm
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Or this one:
http://www.sfcx.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=31
Dave, are you planing on another update soon? Firesoul mentioned the possibility.
I'm testing one out today. It can probably be released anytime, but it might be worth holding off for a bit - two new packs in three days might just be a little excessive
Here's the scoop for the new pack whenever you want it
(1) In the missions that usually feature lots of AI, they will no longer self destruct on capture
(2) In those same missions the marine counts have been lowered for the AI compared to the last few packs (45% to 70% of max, where the stock AI loadout is usually 50% of max)
(3) The asteroid base assault and defense missions are debugged and back in the mix
I think those are the only changes from the pack you're running now.
dave
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 12:50:56 pm
I want the asteroid base missions back for the variety's sake on reclamation!
Post by: jimmi7769 on April 24, 2003, 01:47:27 pm
did anyone notice I said I CTD'd on the new Data Recovery mission???
I rarely ever CTD
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 24, 2003, 01:52:47 pm
Looking into it now,
dave
Post by: CptCastrin on April 24, 2003, 02:09:53 pm
One person reports that drones mistriously vanissing off a ship after doing a Data Recovery, scan and run style.
Two people just reported that when they killed all AI in a DR mission, at that point it closed and gave then 25 - 30pp less. This without "scanning" the listening post.
I'll let you know if anythig else pops up.
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 24, 2003, 02:18:49 pm
Well, back to the drawing board!
I'll hold the new pack until I get a fix worked out for this one and get a bit more testing in on the asteroid missions, you might want to pull DR in the meanwhile.
dave
Post by: jdmckinney on April 24, 2003, 03:05:24 pm
As of now, a lot of those "special" ships should be back to that tag, removing them from the mix -- that's what Castrin said he'd done earlier today. This should remove things like commando tugs.
Post by: FireSoul on April 24, 2003, 05:07:15 pm
-- Luc
Post by: Mog on April 24, 2003, 05:17:53 pm
Post by: CptCastrin on April 24, 2003, 05:25:57 pm
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I think the shipyard preserves the ships for sale for too long, now.. The lyan shipyard screen was actually full.
-- Luc
Well to be honest ... don't worry about it.
It's really an illusion, the yard(s) keep the ships for 9 (econ cycle rate x 3) turns now. If your yard is producing 2 ships then you will see 6 waiting max but in the case of the Lyrans who (I believe) are leading in econ you are probably making like 4 (5?) per econ run. That will eventually creat a full screen but it's nothing different than when the delay match the econ run rate. All it does is give some longer to get a ship they saw but didn't have the preseige to get at that time.
Later on as the other races get more coming in the hold times will be adjusted. Unfortunetly because it's a global setting there will be some yards that have a glut of ships hanging around to get. Better that than few to none.
Post by: Capt Jeff on April 26, 2003, 12:37:49 am
Post by: IndyShark on April 26, 2003, 11:18:03 am
Could you look at that please? Thanks
BTW, I have not had any CTD's on any of your new missions. Good job!
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 26, 2003, 02:31:57 pm
This is a longstanding problem with the way the AI draft was implemented - it's based purely on the strength of one team on a side, not on the strengths of all teams on the side.
The missions that generate some extra (non-drafted) AI for balance limit the effects of this somewhat, but missions that are purely based on the draft will definitely suffer from this problem.
dave
Post by: FPF_TraceyG on April 26, 2003, 04:00:15 pm
For example, in the PatrolB missions, if a FF drafts a BCH, the FF takes player slot #1 and the BCH takes player slot #2.
Enemy slot #1 gets an AI ship that is at most one above or one below a FF (min FF). Enemy slot #2 then gets a AI based on player slot #2's hull class, a BCH, so it gets AI limited in hull class to one above and one below a BC, which is Heavy to a Dreadnought. I put a limit on AI ships in slots #2 and #3 to BC however, so in this example, at most you would only get a BC.
It seems to be working well and all the PatrolB variants I wrote, this is the code for AI generation. The only problem is that I havent been able to get the hull class of an AI ship generated in the player slots specifically, so I've just had to use the same range for these slots as for enemy slots. I've probably made that sound way too complicated... lol!! But it works...
In other words, if a FF drafts a BC in any of the PatrolB's, there is no real advantage, as matching AI ships will be generated.
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 26, 2003, 05:22:25 pm
)If you're talking about having mDefineTeamShipStrengths( ) actually change the class and BPV range specifications for drafted ships on the fly, i.e.
Code:
mSetTeamShipStrength( kEnemyTeam1, lowhullsize, highhullsize, lowbpv, highbpv );
then that's very cool to know - it's always backfired out on me when I played with that, but that was in the early development days and might well have been due to other problems. How do you get it to determine if the team is AI or human before the team is actually drafted and created?
dave
Post by: The Postman on April 26, 2003, 07:25:07 pm
Post by: Green on April 26, 2003, 08:31:15 pm
Post by: Cleaven on April 26, 2003, 08:50:42 pm
Not EAW bashing, but some people may forget as they switch between games.
Post by: FPF_TraceyG on April 27, 2003, 02:06:45 am
hullClass = shipScriptDescription.fClassType;
In the patrol, there are 6 teams, 3 on each side. The 3 player teams are created first, then the enemy teams. Since the player teams are created first, I can use the hull classes of the player team ships to set minimum and maximum hull classes for the enemy ships. This is all done whilst the teams are being set up and no ships are added after the mission begins.
I can only record the hull classes of human ships in this way however, as I'm reading the hull class from the information sent to the script by the dyna.
Post by: Cleaven on April 27, 2003, 02:29:09 am
While trying to co-op, it seems that most of the patrols were traps (single player). Is the only other patrol the one with the freighter? Is it co-op-able? If these are the only two patrols then that's okay. Probably the right thing for a single ship to be doing, while two ships would be sent on a mission such as convoys or couriers.
Also I haven't had an ambush mission yet. Are they still there (patrols)?
Post by: NuclearWessels on April 27, 2003, 01:11:16 pm
Cleaven, the patrol mission with the freighter should be coop compatible, actually you should be able to get up to three humans drafted per side (plus the freighter). I'll look into the convoy raid issue, if it's happening with about the frequency you suggest then I think I know where the problem is.
dave