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Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 10:23:08 pm

Oh, I forgot to say thank you for shooting back. It keeps this post right near the top where I prefer it to be.

Your lack of compassion is interesting to me. Have you never had a friend make a terrible mis-step and paid for it for ever? I think they should allow these folks another chance. If they blow it then shame on them for being dumb enough to look a gift horse in the mouth. But I should like to see them get just one more chance.

Now please post back, I am shooting for three thousand views by Sunday.

Again thanks

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 04, 2003, 11:08:21 pm

To All,

Greetings.

I think that after reading this never to die topic that I would like to place myself in hot water here.

First, I presume that I am allowed my opinion. That my opinion might be correct or incorrect, and that I will not be punished for expressing my opinion.

Second, I presume I am allowed to gripe, complain and nag at the creators of a product I have purchased. Now, I agree that it would be PREFERABLE for me to do so in a civilized and respectful manner, but that it is not manditory. I am, after all, the customer who paid for the product. I am, after all, one of many such customers who put food on the table of each and every employee who helped create the product I purchased, a product I expected to operate under the parameters that it was sold to me with.

If you agree with the first two presumptions I have made, then we can look at these forums as a place to compliment and congratulate the folks who made our game SFC3 what it is today. Given that, the forums are also a place to share ideas, have questions answered, and gripe about those facets of our game that have yet to function properly.

That is what I believe the folks who have been banned were in the process of doing.

Now, regarding the forum operation itself, I hope we can all agree that whatever rules are in place they should apply equally to all persons irregardless of ethnic background, religion or whatever. I also think it should apply to the content of what is said, be it positive or negative. It doesn't seem to me, in my opinion, that the banning of these chaps is being applied in a neutral and unbiased fashion. Just an opinion.........

Several point have been raised in this particular thread (or whatever you call it) that I would like to address. Please note that I am NOT quoting any single individual here, just ideas that I have gleaned from reading this.

#1) "How long someone has played." I don't give a damn whether someone has been playing for two minutes or twenty years! They bought the same game we all did and are certainly entitled to air their opinion without being put down for the duration of how long they have owned it! Who knows, the new guys may actually have some new takes that some of the old fuddy-duddies have overlooked.

#2) "This is owned/run by Taldren and they can do what they want." This I do mostly agree with, but not entirely. Here is why. Taldren wouldn't own/run this forum or any of the urinals in their office building without all of us paying for it. It is the money we spent that pays for this forum along with everything else they have or own. Not a single soul there endowed Taldren with Uncle Joey's inheritance to buy diddly with. It is by our good graces that and continued support that any of this exists at all, remember that. This just isn't Taldren by the way, it is every single company each and every one of us does business with!

#3) "Other games need patches too, we shouldn't complain." In a nutshell I don't give a damn what other companies do, I only care what the company I purchase from does! If the industry standard sucks, does that mean I shouldn't expect the company I pay good money to "to rise above the suckiness and excel where others have lagged behind". This is a PATHETIC defense of Taldren or any other company for that matter! When I purchase a product I expect it to be fully, completely 100% functional! Realize that if all of us complained as loudly and vehemently as the "Taldren Three" did, then perhaps we would have much fewer lousy products out there. Call me silly, call me strange, say I'm not living in the real world, but that's just the way I am.

#4) "Taldren has made their decision and they don't have to respond." This may be correct, here. However, for a company to not respond to the legitimate concerns of it's patrons is, in a word, stupid. Any intelligent company will bend over backwards to at least try to smooth over ALL gripes its patrons have. And in this case, where the unbanning of chaps costs not one penny, (or pence for you chaps in Brtitany) and yet would make many folks content, well......

Please forgive my rambling. I tend to drift from topic to topic as the mood hits me.

One final note. An idea for those who TRULY wish answers and are willing to spend postage on it. Find out where Taldrens home office is, and file a complaint regarding this matter with their Better Business Bureau. If you truly believe that you or others have been wronged then move to the next level of complaining and do it where they can't just ignore it. Where they are compelled by basic business practices to respond. I am certain that there are other organizations where the same results could be found, but the BBB is the first that comes to mind with me. They are a business after all, and not just on line but in the real world.

Respectfully,

DrSchreber

PS - I do enjoy the game, but I also look forward to the patch.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 11:19:27 pm

Very well said Doctor. (you must be British, I feel like I have been corrected well, harshly, but ever so nicely)

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 04, 2003, 11:33:12 pm

Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 04, 2003, 11:41:22 pm

Quote:

Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Yar! <Raises and waves cornstalk and clog in the air>

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 12:05:30 am

Well I did send a polite PM to David Ferrel about this, and I did tell him if he didn't like my petition that I would not take it personally if he did ban me.

That said,

I know why all 3 were banned

Likkerpig had a brief lapse of language, he quickly apoligized ....does a brief laspse merit a lifetime ban?

Die Hard had a similar lapse, but did not apologize so promptly (understatement), likely because he saw how little good it had done Likkerpig. Anyhow after the forum transfer, he behaved himself perfectly but was rebanned. If this had not happened I'm convinced that he would have watched his P's and Q's

Max Power merely made the mistake of critizing the programming of the game, and although a little rude did not deserve banning by any means. He promply apoligized multiple times and was ignored. Guess how many people are now making the same basic criticisms of the game on the forums now, boy hard to count the threads much less the posted criticisms. Why was he banned, timing! He caught the Taldren boys on their bad day, a day like Likkerpig and Die Hard had that got them banned. So if they can have one why cant a long term community member? Or have we heard nothing from them because they banned themselves in the name of equality? I think not.

It is their forums, granted. Just like you live on state property. If your state starts taking away your civil liberties would you complain? Would others that didn't know you well (my position here, I know the 3 but not so well) stand up for them to protect their own rights, well some would and others would turn a blind eye. Guess what? My vision is quite clear.

My 2cents

I'll turn blue with you Hooch

KATChuut-Ritt
Proud to be turning Blue with eyes open

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Stormbringer on February 05, 2003, 12:10:44 am

That is absolutely correct. THe BBB is an avenue that is much harder for a business entity to ignore or dismiss. Unlike a forum, where the fox is guarding the chicken house so to speak, The BBB cannot be banned, censored or otherwise rendered ineffective by fiat. If they find the complaint legitimate, especially if there is more than one enquiry, they will be able to apply economic, or even judicial pressure as warranted. If the company will not accede to consumer concerns that may be the route to go.

Whilst I am not saying the BBB will intercede in regard to the banned people's issue, as a side issue it will probably be effected. The company does appear to have a history of premature release in the SFC series of products as well as an attitude of condesending or disregarding negative customer feedback or concerns as far as the forums go. While what started it may have been a few disruptive consumers with an axe to grind, it does not excuse what appears to be a blanket policy of disregard for "troublesome" forum members. I say appears, because sometimes apperances and perceptions can be at odds with reality. It is possible that the perception within the company is legitimately different than those of outsiders.

This does not abrogate the business axiom of customer relations: actions and even perceptions have economic consequences for a company's customer base or market share. So, if you feel strongly enough about the real issues, product quality and customer relations then the most effective avenue short of boycott is organisations such as the BBB or articles online or in computer magazines about the companies consumer relations.

However, consider that too much negative attention could cause the best source of the star trek lore based simulations to move on to other genres. I am not certain such actions as negative press and BBB complaints are warranted at this time.
I posted this to confirm that it appears consumer views of public relations problems are legitimate to both sides of the issue.
Consumers have more effective venues to make thier complaints heard if ignored here. Perhaps _both_ sides need to re-evaluate there current course of action or policies as the case may be.

Consumers: Posting complaints here _appears_ to be useless.

Company: (1) Other more more effective complaint channels or actions are available to your customers, ones that could be economically damaging to the company. (2) Consumer perception is as important as reality in consumer relations and currently you have an image problem that has dogged you from the SFC era up 'til the present in this regard. (3) A gesture can go a long way in consumer relations.

I think that some of the people banned have made positive contribution (think: value added) to the game in the past, models or other contribution that kept demand alive and increased the bottom line even. It does not make sense to keep those peopel banned, in thier cases it is like shooting yourself in the foot. Others that have not so contributed might do so in the future if given half a chance, perhaps evangelising the product to friends and net contacts or contributing value added content such as models, scripts, Mod campaigns. I am not as emotional about it as some in the forum but see that it is a serious issue for many here. The thing is, for every gad fly posting complaints about it there are many more, like myself that do not normally post (complaints). This does not mean thier perception of the situation is all rosy; just that they see no point in posting about it. Thier perceptions still color thier decisions about future products, though.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 05, 2003, 12:21:47 am

Quote:

Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Dere Sir,

One of U? hardly. He is a BUCKEYE and I am a HOOSIER!

Just like there is a differnse twixt Diggers and Kiwis, Same hood, differnt terminology.

We do have our differnses.

A Buckeye is a hillbilly who can sign his own name.

A Hoosier is a hillbilly who can sign his own name wit "X".

Yer not banned. Gosh, no!

Heck, come on up an sit a spell.

We'll have some good ol' home cookin, go huntin, and chase my cousin Suzy. She shore is a catch!

Afterwards, we can sit around an watch home movies. You've never seen Deliverance, have ya?

Sinsereli,

Doc

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 02:02:17 am

Bump
There is a lot more than 10 names on the list go to the old fourm and look this thread up
No need to tell us that taldren will not reply to us (why do you think they have modaraters for:D)
But this topic is staying on page one and there does seem to be more for than aganst

Erik once posted after don was banned that if he made a new handle behaved himself and no one knew that it was him
he could come back

These 3 would be knowen stright off if they posted under another name and so would be banned again(3th time for 2 of them)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 02:19:30 am

Just one more thing maybe there should be a clear list of rules so user's know what they can or can not get introuble for
Also I think its fair to give a warrning to people who are out of line

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 05, 2003, 06:17:26 am

Big bump from a KIWI not one of those ockers over the ditch from here

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 08:08:08 am

Quote:

Quote:

Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Dere Sir,

One of U? hardly. He is a BUCKEYE and I am a HOOSIER!

Just like there is a differnse twixt Diggers and Kiwis, Same hood, differnt terminology.

We do have our differnses.

A Buckeye is a hillbilly who can sign his own name.

A Hoosier is a hillbilly who can sign his own name wit "X".

Yer not banned. Gosh, no!

Heck, come on up an sit a spell.

We'll have some good ol' home cookin, go huntin, and chase my cousin Suzy. She shore is a catch!

Afterwards, we can sit around an watch home movies. You've never seen Deliverance, have ya?

Sinsereli,

Doc

Gulp, I hate to even say this but my father was born and rasied in the Petersburg area of southern Indiana, and moved to Ohio after he met my mother at a Moose lodge. Gads, we just might be cousins after all.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 08:19:10 am

Quote:

Gulp, I hate to even say this but my father was born and rasied in the Petersburg area of southern Indiana, and moved to Ohio after he meet my mother at a Moose lodge. Gads, we just might be cousins after all.

Hooch

I didn't know that special hotels were available for moose.........now which parent had the reservation?........

.........sorry Hooch, but I couldn't resist this.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 08:24:13 am

Quote:

Erik once posted after don was banned that if he made a new handle behaved himself and no one knew that it was him

Dave Farrell posted after ArabMan was banned and explained why. He also explained that -L B- could not have his old name back after it was deleted. Why won't he post here?

Come on Dave, I promise to be nice

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 05, 2003, 12:15:26 pm

Durn, I should have called the BBB when I was not allowed to return as an ARM in the SFC2.net AOTK server within 24 hours of my "outburst" and apologizing for it. Apparently, the existing ARM/RMs were against that.

BTW, Hooch is a SFC2.net ARM and so is one of the banned, Max Power. Taldren is not the only entity in the SFC2 community that can be assertive in "banning" matters.

That being said, it would be nice if they unbanned Die Hard to start off. He's commited the least damaging offence, IMHO. I genuinely think he deserves a second chance because he also can be forgiving and understanding of others when they screw up. I respectfully submit that a person of such character would be of substantial benefit to the Taldren forums community.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Demandred on February 05, 2003, 01:22:43 pm

Quote:

Think about it. If YOU banned someone and THEIR friends started screaming at YOU, what would you do? Compound that by having some say, "Admit your mistake and unban them". What message is being sent? If you unban, you lose. No one can ever get banned again because you caved in to pressure. Right or wrong, at this point you have NO ALTERNATIVE but to maintain the ban, or cede all power to the posters (inmates running the asylum).

So, let Taldren do what they must. The more you press, the more you FORCE them to dig in. Back off. They're good people at heart, I'm sure that time will heal all.

Tegestu

Absolutely correct. The admin of a forum can't cave in to pressure to un-can someone or the whole place goes to hell. As a side note, I very much doubt that moderators have the power to ban someone. I've never used forum software that allowed banning from anywhere but the ACP anyway, and I doubt that UBB is any different.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 03:16:15 pm

bumping till I turn blue

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: hobbesmaster on February 05, 2003, 04:25:55 pm

Actually, Max is a RM...

Bump from a Wildcat... keep slaughtering gators like last night!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 05, 2003, 07:08:50 pm

To Hooch,

This topic fell to page 2!

Like our good neighbor Gomer would say, "Fer shame, fer shame, fer shame!"

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aves on February 05, 2003, 07:15:41 pm

If every time I visit this forum the "Please un-ban someone who can just re-register and behave anyway" thread is at the top I may start a "Never un-ban anyone" thread.

To all concerned: your point has been made and then some... please leave this pointless topic alone already.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 07:27:07 pm

Any moderators want to give this post a sticky?

It will save us a lot of trouble

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 08:19:04 pm

Quote:

Any moderators want to give this post a sticky?

It will save us a lot of trouble

Nows there's an Idea:)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 08:37:20 pm

Quote:

To Hooch,

This topic fell to page 2!

Like our good neighbor Gomer would say, "Fer shame, fer shame, fer shame!"

DrSchreber

Thankya fer yer support!

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aves on February 05, 2003, 09:23:18 pm

Luckily we've been told that a sticky cannot be created on this forum *whew*

Wait!, if I keep responding to replies about my desire for this not to be on top, it will stay on top! Arghh!!
*storms off to contemplate (sp?) new tactic muttering about being foiled again...*

"...and I would have got'n away with it too, if it wern't for ya medl'n kids!"

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 05, 2003, 09:29:21 pm

Umm guys. It is not "Ikkerpig" although now that I think about it I guess . . . <snicker>

It's "Likkerpig"

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 09:50:26 pm

Quote:

Umm guys. It is not "Ikkerpig" although now that I think about it I guess . . . <snicker>

It's "Likkerpig"

Yeah I noticed this, I think half the people have fixed this.

I wonder if Taldren could increase the signiture length. I can't fit an Un-Ban Die Hard, Max, and Likkerpig into my post without a little more room. I wonder if Taldren will let me do this

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Sten on February 05, 2003, 10:18:15 pm

Jinn,

I love your sig.

Braving the wild of space.

you got me with that one.

Guys afraid of girlfriend getting credit Card and Doctor visits but he can brave space.

Oh Yea BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 11:52:27 pm

Quote:

Jinn,

I love your sig.

Braving the wild of space. you got me with that one.

Guys afraid of girlfriend getting credit Card and Doctor visits but he can brave space.

Oh Yea BUMP

If you liked my work on that one Sten give me a basic idea and I'll see what I can do for you.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 11:53:47 pm

Quote:

bumping till I turn blue

Ummm.... Hooch......Why don't you bump it till you turn Red again, ........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 06, 2003, 05:27:20 am

Quote:

If every time I visit this forum the "Please un-ban someone who can just re-register and behave anyway" thread is at the top I may start a "Never un-ban anyone" thread.

To all concerned: your point has been made and then some... please leave this pointless topic alone already.

Has it? You mean that Dave and his trusty side kicks are going to un-ban the three...? Really? Really?? Naw...

I think the never unban anyone thread is a good idea. It's a free-speech forum, go ahead and be our guest. No, really.

On another page, I remember someone saying that they thought that Taldren had a history of ignoring posts on the forum. Fact is, they didn't. In the good old days, when EAW was first released, I was struck by three things. First, how good the game was. Second, how many bugs it had. Third, how good the Taldren guys were at communicating with everyone. It was impressive stuff.

Nowadays, the Cone of Silence has descended upon the Taldren massive. Have they forgotten their forum passwords? Has the stress of their marriage with Activision caused them to chew their fingernails, and fingers, completely off? Have they all made millions and retired to Cuba? I think we should all be told the truth.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 06, 2003, 05:32:36 am

Quote:

Luckily we've been told that a sticky cannot be created on this forum *whew*

Wait!, if I keep responding to replies about my desire for this not to be on top, it will stay on top! Arghh!!
*storms off to contemplate (sp?) new tactic muttering about being foiled again...*

"...and I would have got'n away with it too, if it wern't for ya medl'n kids!"

Dont know how told you that but theres a sticky at the top of this fourm I dont think they would sticky this one tho
Wonder what happened to the stars? oh yeah and BUMP:)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 07:25:06 am

re-bumping, not quite blue yet

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 06, 2003, 08:43:30 am

Picture time????

Why not

Wouldn't want these forums to resemble certain other places

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 10:32:02 am

Chutt, where did you get the pictures of my sisters?

Come on Taldren, lighten up and let them back in.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: FatherTed on February 06, 2003, 12:02:46 pm

Release them at once! Or I'll have Gwarlock sing!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Robb Stark on February 06, 2003, 12:45:09 pm

Geez, would it really kill Taldren to at least RESPOND here? This is obviously a very important issue for a good number of fans here, and it seems like it would be easy enough for Taldren to either reinstate the banned parties or explain why they won't. If they have a good reason not to, then that's fine. But if not, then what's the issue?

In any case, it's absurd of them to not even address this.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Sten on February 06, 2003, 01:19:10 pm

Well since I am waiting for it to snow so I can go home early because everyone knows the fine citizens of North carolina can't drive in the snow.

a SNOWY BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 01:31:40 pm

Back again, still holding my breath

Title: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Toasty0 on February 06, 2003, 03:05:58 pm

Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: DrSchreber on February 06, 2003, 05:06:27 pm

Quote:

Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Dear Sir,

As to the Who is who.

On the left (as we face the page) is General Zod, played by Terency Stanp
In the middle is Non, played by Jack O'Halloran.
On the right is Ursa, played by Sarah Douglas (boy is she hot in this movie!)!!!

The movie is Superman.

Did you really not know who they were?

DrSchreber

PS - Free the Taldren Three

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Toasty0 on February 06, 2003, 05:13:13 pm

*sigh*

I meant which one is Max...etc. I know the characters.

Thanks for the help though.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 06, 2003, 08:40:36 pm

BUMP!!!!!

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 10:08:13 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Dear Sir,

As to the Who is who.

On the left (as we face the page) is General Zod, played by Terency Stanp
In the middle is Non, played by Jack O'Halloran.
On the right is Ursa, played by Sarah Douglas (boy is she hot in this movie!)!!!

The movie is Superman.

Did you really not know who they were?

DrSchreber

PS - Free the Taldren Three

Die Hard is chic I'm pretty sure.

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Credo Narth on February 07, 2003, 03:28:24 am

Sarah Douglas was hot because she was wearing baggy PVC. A fashion faux pas in the 80's, and doubly so today. I mean, do we see Captain Janeway in baggy PVC?? No... hang on, that may be a good thing.

Should we have a vote to see which ST character would look the best in baggy PVC? I don't know how to do the voting thingy, so answers on a postcard, please.

Oh yes. And BUMP to the top.

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: LongTooth on February 07, 2003, 11:59:15 am

Still no word from taldren (maybe their still mulling it over) so bump

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 07, 2003, 01:56:55 pm

Oh I am certain they are thinking about it.

Hooch

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: LongTooth on February 07, 2003, 06:28:38 pm

Ok as I have not tried this lets have a little poll

Lets hope polls dont go astray like the stars did

Title: Support Our Banned Brothers!
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 07, 2003, 06:56:03 pm

Bump!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 07, 2003, 09:35:25 pm

bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 08, 2003, 03:14:08 am

Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 08, 2003, 03:44:56 am

just a BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 08, 2003, 09:52:56 am

A group called Freedom Forum held a survey not too long ago where it asked a slew of American citizens to name all five of the rights protected under the First Amendment.

A whopping 30% could not name a single one! 65% cited freedom of speech, and only 15% got freedom of the press. A little better were those who remembered freedom of religion, at 16%. And last were the 10% that said... right to assembly. And not a single citizen of the good o1' U.S. of A. said the last one. Freedom of, the right to... uh? It's the right to petition or protest, dummies.

All apologies to our founding fathers.

In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

Thank you.

BTW this thread has more views than the SETI Thread now.....................

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 08, 2003, 11:34:15 am

Le'Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 08, 2003, 01:51:50 pm

You know I think that taldrem might of been banned
Or they might of been reading the derek smart guide to fourm care
Cant bleave that taldren are too scared to reply to to their own fourm users
In fact the only time I have seen them post in the last few days was to point out that no they were not slaging ati drivers
(yeah right

)
All we want is a reply now would that hurt? Would it hurt as much as seeing this topic at the top of the page for a month 6 months a year?
This is not going to go away we are not going to go away sure you can ban us,delete this topic dont matter it will only start again but with more support
Now you dont want this the size of the seti thread do you

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 08, 2003, 01:53:49 pm

To All,

Greetings.

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it".

- Voltaire

That's it.

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Uss_Defiant on February 08, 2003, 03:17:04 pm

bumpada bum bum bumpada bum bum bumpada bum bum...
(tune from Flight of the Valkerie)

BUMP!

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on February 08, 2003, 04:40:38 pm

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kieran Forester on February 08, 2003, 06:48:31 pm

Quote:

Le'Bump

Das Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 08, 2003, 08:17:01 pm

Das ist der Uber Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 08, 2003, 11:11:47 pm

El bumpo

Title: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 01:03:33 am

Kore wa Bumupu desu.

Title: Re: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: CubCarson on February 09, 2003, 01:42:53 am

Die Hard and Max have been contributing to this community for a very long time- at least from the time dv2 came about ( I think). If they made emotionally heated posts it is because they are big fans of the series and want the best from it. Sure they could log in under another name and make their points but it would not be the same- who the hell would give the same respect to powermax or hardtokill when they show 1 or two posts as compared to 299 or 999 posts? Its a sign of time served and experience earned. They have supported this game and contributed to it for a long time, if the posts were offensive maybe there was a reason behind it?
Taldren is still a small company in the gaming community, I would think it would try to hang on to as many loyal fans as it could.
My 0.02$

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 11:42:13 am

Quote:

In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

I feel, putting Howard Stern's TV show on local broadcast without editing would be a mistake. They even blur out the "naughty bits" on the cable channel that carries it. Now if a pay service picked it up, go for it!

I also feel that the local library should have filters for computers in the "Kids" section. And unrestricted access in the adult section.

Posting should remain unlimited, but if you post something like Kiddie porn and it is tracked back to you, don't be supprised if the local law enforcement people come knocking on your door....

If you host a site in Germany that has Nasi material, don't be supprised if the cops show up at your door....

Don't know what catagory that puts me in, but at least I bumped the thread...

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kieran Forester on February 09, 2003, 01:12:28 pm

Quote:

Das ist der Uber Bump

Wir mussen ein andere Bump haben!

Title: Re: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: Uss_Defiant on February 09, 2003, 02:17:55 pm

Quote:

Die Hard and Max have been contributing to this community for a very long time- at least from the time dv2 came about ( I think). If they made emotionally heated posts it is because they are big fans of the series and want the best from it. Sure they could log in under another name and make their points but it would not be the same- who the hell would give the same respect to powermax or hardtokill when they show 1 or two posts as compared to 299 or 999 posts? Its a sign of time served and experience earned. They have supported this game and contributed to it for a long time, if the posts were offensive maybe there was a reason behind it?
Taldren is still a small company in the gaming community, I would think it would try to hang on to as many loyal fans as it could.
My 0.02$

Now remember, thats $0.02 canadian.... so in reality its only $0.016 US.
Dosent it feel good to be downgraded?

BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 03:19:15 pm

Quote:

Quote:

In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

I feel, putting Howard Stern's TV show on local broadcast without editing would be a mistake. They even blur out the "naughty bits" on the cable channel that carries it. Now if a pay service picked it up, go for it!

I also feel that the local library should have filters for computers in the "Kids" section. And unrestricted access in the adult section.

Posting should remain unlimited, but if you post something like Kiddie porn and it is tracked back to you, don't be supprised if the local law enforcement people come knocking on your door....

If you host a site in Germany that has Nasi material, don't be supprised if the cops show up at your door....

Don't know what catagory that puts me in, but at least I bumped the thread...

jd

JD,

Below the section of my earlier post that you quoted is the following:

Quote:

I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

The filtering of Howard Stern on Public TV, filtering of the library in the kids section, and kiddie porn are not protected by the law nor do I consider these in the spirit ofthe first ammendment. So I'm in agreement with you.

As far as simple human nudity I dont think that it is bad. Look at the way the Europeans view it without seeing it as obscene. The US being a colony of a prudish Victorian England has gone a long way to shape our laws on this, and I think have caused us alot of social problems in the sex crimes area. Much in the same way that drug laws restricting marijuanna use have fueled a criminal economy. Don't know how you feel about the last two, but up to now our views seem to agree nicely, sorry if you got the wrong impression from the earlier post, but that is why I put that second paragraph in it.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 05:05:37 pm

Quote:

I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

Yea Chuut,

We do have the prudishness of our founders to bear.

Nudity/sexuality, well I have 4 kids and I like the fact that I can have some control over what they are exposed too. The problem I have is the prudes want to get rid of it and the other side wants to force it(flaunt it) on people who don't want to see it. I really don't care what consenting adults do to/with each other in private. Just don't throw it in my face and say "it's natural, it's OK."

Dope? No good answer. I have seen first hand too many times how badly pot can burn you out. I have serveral friends who are fried. So I cannot back making it leagal. The points for leagalization ARE strong, but I just cannot see it. As a matter of fact, the last report I saw about Belgum(?) where they had leagalizied it, it was causing a BIG strain on the system. Pot also does lead to harder drugs(I've seen it do it too much).

What really gets me mad is people who say, "Kids are going to have sex." or "Kids are going to do durgs." Niether of those are true. Kids are people, people have the power to do or not to do things. Human beings can control their urges. It's part of being human. Part of what's wrong is we are not raising our kids like people, we too often treat them like dumb anamals and are supprised when that's what we get...

Ahhh well, that outta get some flames going

And the whole point of this post was really....

BUMP

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 05:14:52 pm

I think what I am for on the marijuna issue is legal but restricted kinda like alcohol is. Sell marijuana in state run liquor stores, and tax it rather than have some drug dealer pocketing a significant chunk of the US economy.

I agree about not flaunting it, but that is a product of prudishness, deny something as sinful and it gains the charm of "forbidden fruit". Treat nudity as natural not as a marketing tool.

and BUMP!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 09, 2003, 09:03:33 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 09, 2003, 09:04:32 pm

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 09:06:22 pm

Quote:

I think what I am for on the marijuna issue is legal but restricted kinda like alcohol is. Sell marijuana in state run liquor stores, and tax it rather than have some drug dealer pocketing a significant chunk of the US economy.

That's about the best plan I have heard of for making it leagal. But when I see my friends that have waisted their lives and their brains... I just can not do it...

But I would not be overly upset if they did it that way...

Quote:

I agree about not flaunting it, but that is a product of prudishness, deny something as sinful and it gains the charm of "forbidden fruit". Treat nudity as natural not as a marketing tool.

Well, I am more conserned that the nudity might lead to futher erosion of our moral character.

But face it, most of the people who want to run around in the nude, well, I don't want to see them in the nude!!!

Despite what the people say about the beauty of nudity, clothing covers major flaws in most of us. Not many of us would look really good in our birthday suits. If you know what I mean...

Trust me, I don't want to see myself that way....

and of course...

BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 09:26:34 pm

Quote:

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Agreed,

Thoughts of naked Klingons <shudders> have brought me back on track........

Back to my origional point, the right to protest was granted in the First Ammendment, so I plan to use the spirit of that right to continue my protest of Taldrens banning of Die Hard, Max Power, and Likkerpig.

Can't wait till we make the SETI thread small by comparison.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 09:36:32 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Agreed,

Thoughts of naked Klingons <shudders> have brought me back on track........

Back to my origional point, the right to protest was granted in the First Ammendment, so I plan to use the spirit of that right to continue my protest of Taldrens banning of Die Hard, Max Power, and Likkerpig.

Can't wait till we make the SETI thread small by comparison.

Well Hooch, I did just about as much as I dare in my responce to DF in this thread.

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=14935&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1

We will see how it goes....

And Bump!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: BuckStrider on February 09, 2003, 10:05:34 pm

Quote:

Dope? No good answer. I have seen first hand too many times how badly pot can burn you out. I have serveral friends who are fried. So I cannot back making it leagal. The points for leagalization ARE strong, but I just cannot see it. As a matter of fact, the last report I saw about Belgum(?) where they had leagalizied it, it was causing a BIG strain on the system. Pot also does lead to harder drugs(I've seen it do it too much).

Really?...No good answer?...Guess you beleive all the stuff you see on T.V. too...Like that stupid ass commercial with the kid and the gun or the other one with the girl getting "fondled" because she was "high"

Dude..You have alot to learn (or unlearn)

Not that I wanna drag this on here (it REALLY is ment for the OT Forums) BUT alcohol is a MUCH more deadly drug than "pot" ever will be!

Pot is NOT a physiclly addictive drug...Alcohol IS
You CANNOT OD on pot (There has NEVER been a reported case of it EVER)...But you CAN OD on Alcohol
You NEVER EVER hear of some guy that got so "stoned" that he got in his car and wiped out a family on his way home...But MOST ALWAYS hear reports of some guy that got "ripped" at a bar...Jumped in his car and wiped out somebody on the way home.
Although the long term effects of smoking "pot" on the body has never been fully studied (There is a possibility that smoking pot can cause lung cancer from the tar..but compared to cigarettes [another leagal drug],this statement is moot)...The long term effects of a "heavy" drinker is well documented,including massive liver damage (Ask Mickey Mantle or Babe Ruth)...Severe brain damage over time from formaldihide (spelling?) that forms on the brain after long term consumtion,among other Heath and Social issues.

Thats just a small sample

As far as pot being a "Gateway" to other much more destuctive drugs....It all starts with alcohol my friend...And thats LEAGAL!!!!...Now if you don't mind...I'm going downstairs and pouring myself a Jonny Black on the rocks

And BTW...Recent news has had some impact on my Sig Pic...Alcohol impairs them too

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 09, 2003, 11:00:59 pm

Well . . . . Time for an addition to J'inn's rules to live by.

1 - J'inn's Prime Directive: No good deed goes unpunished.

2 - It is good to be King.

3 - If you can't be King where your are, find a smaller pond.

4 - Words and Letters mean a lot. Hence the vast difference between Screwer and Screwee. Choose your words wisely or you'll always be the latter..

5 - No matter how bad your day was, at least you're still breathing.

6 - Don't trust anyone over 30. They were smart enough to make it that far and thus must be sneaky.

7 - Ignore everyone under 30.

8 - Money cannot buy happiness unless you have the amount that will make you happy.

9 - When you are laying on your death bed you will not say "Gosh I wish I had squoze a few more days in at the office."

10 - If you are unhappy where you are, the wise thing to do is leave. The cheaper thing to do is to stay and make everyone else miserable.

11 - J'inn's secret to a happy life: Find the part of your brain that wants you do be liked by others and turn it off.

12 - J'inn secret to dating. See Rule 11.

13 - Be yourself. If people don't like you as your are, they'll downright hate it if you fake being someone else.

14 - Life is not a game. Games are not life.

15 - Everything in moderation. (except sex with your spouse)

16 - Don't get married until you are five years older than you are.

17 - If you can't do something, teach others how.

18 - Never, ever, ever, film yourself doing anything even remotely embarrassing.

19 - Give a man an inch and he'll take a mile. Charge by the inch and he'll take an inch.

20 - J'inn's Rule on meeting women. Before 30, don't bother. Work on getting your life together. After 30, they'll come to you. At that point do the following: be employed (or fake it well), tell the truth (women have a built in BS detector), smile, and shower once a day at least.

AND NOW . . . . Drum Roll Please . . . .

21 - The J'inn Thread Theory - Any thread over three pages long will turn into a discussion of drugs, booze or sex.

Copyright 2002: JYB, Corporation

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alexander1701 on February 10, 2003, 12:04:54 am

Er... quick thing

I am for the reinstatement of these people, but for point of strict fact, there is a flaw in your arguement.

Freedom of speech laws mean that the GOVERNMENT cannot censor you. However, freedom of ASSOCIATION laws mean that any group can choose not to tolerate anything they bloody well please not to. It's how they keep homosexuals out of Boy Scouts. I know it SOUNDS barbaric, but you can't FORCE anyone to accept people.

Its one of those things... whose rights do you violate? Freedom to speak, freedom not to listen, which comes first?

Alexander

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alexander1701 on February 10, 2003, 12:48:18 am

I know, 2 posts in a row, shoot me now.

Anyhow, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone asking a question here

what are the numbers for different ranks?

How many posts must a man post down, before you can call him captain?
and so on

Alexander

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 10, 2003, 01:19:29 am

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Scipio_66 on February 10, 2003, 03:07:36 am

Quote:

Originally posted by CD NT
Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

Good idea. Let's try this one from our old friend, likkerpig, posted weeks ago. I find it completely in character for him. (Hope he doesn't mind):

Quote:

Originally posted by Likkerpig in another forum:
Thank you for including me in the list Chuut. I am somewhat ambiguous about how I feel about the whole thing. From what I gather Die Hard and Max were banned for making unflattering comments about Taldren. In my case I made a very offensive post insulting an RM (later two when Dogmatix tried to calm me down) and a server admin. The incident that led to my post was because two bull headed people locked horns and I was an idiot who kept the arguement going. I don't know that grouping me with Die Hard and Max is doing them any favors.
.
Since my banning I have lurked on the taldren boards, occasionally posting under another name when I had something to say (usually on the off topic forum) but staying under the radar and just keeping up on the current events of the d2. Still play occasionally, under various other names- I love this friken game!
.
I wrote an apology to the admin I slandered (Kosh I believe), in all sincerity. He posted it on the Taldren boards asking for my ban to be lifted. This suprised me, as I just wanted to apologise for being such a dick. After I recieved several emails from forum regulars expressing a variety of opinions and reasons why I should stay banned I wrote Kosh? again asking him not to push for my unbanning. Also spent some time answering some of the more vitriolic e-mails I had recieved.
.
Would I like to be unbanned? Sure! Should I be? I dunno, thats up to the Taldren people. I went way over the line (except for the off topic forum - no rules there, want to write about killing jews or americans, that's ok with the admins)(A little slash at the fluid morals of the admins).
.
I won't post on the Taldren boards under this name (don't know if they reinstated my ban with Die Hard and Max's or not, haven't tried). I'll just respect their wishes that I not post.
.
To sum up: I am humbled that anyone even remembered me, let alone wants to defend me. At the same time grouping me with Max and Die Hard seems to be an injustice to them, assuming why they were banned is what I gathered from other posts.
.
My apologies to all for my foul mouthed and offensive post that lead to my banning.
.
Likkerpig

Of course, Taldren can do whatever they like. It is the right to private property that matters on a private forum, not the (inapplicable) right of free speach. (Which doesn't apply) You can say what you like on the street corner, and if I don't like it that's too bad. But if you say things I don't like in my house, I can toss you out.

Still, I'll always miss Likkerpig. It's a shame that now his name only shows up as a character in my RP threads. And Max and Die Hard definitely added something to the forum experience.

Was this a bump?

-S'Cipio

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 10, 2003, 04:58:43 am

Well, damn! I go away for one weekend of living in the really real world, and log back into Taldren to find that my favourite thread has been hijacked by wailings and gnashings of teeth about the dangers of bare bottoms and the scourge of all evil that is weed.

I agree that bare buttocks are dangerous. How many intense anti-war protests have revealed the bare-faced cheek of it all to have naked women running around spreading the good word of peace (sorry, Freudian slip there). Heck, even in America, nude women got together to lie in the snow, and used their exposed flesh to come up with two words... NO BUSH. Really? It's a shame the cameras weren't able to get in closer to confirm this.

As for weed... Hey, it might just be the next secret chemical weapon. See Iraq? Well, imagine squadrons, nay, fleets, of B-52s, flying over Baghdad and bombing them with the finest grown hashish the US Army could source. Well, maybe the second best after the testing samples have all been consumed. I mean tested, sorry another slip there. This serves two purposes of ridding the world of the most heinous chemical known to date, as well as stoning the Iraqis to death. Or peace, whichever comes first.

In the meantime, The Yankee capitalist western pigs (to date, Saddam's most wicked insult) can kick back in Camp Kuwait, and work on their suntan. And why ot? They need something to show for their campaign. Heading back to their hometowns in mid-April all fluffed and buffed would make them the envy of girls everywhere.

This is just my free speech, but as far as I can see, everybody wins. Or gets stoned. Now, wouldn't it be nice if we could have three banned members of this forum to contribute to this lively discussion?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 05:42:56 am

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 10, 2003, 09:45:33 am

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Toasty,
You can find that post and a couple other DH gems over on
the SFC2.Net forum. To be fair, I did read posts from Max
and Likkerpig and they seemed sincere with what they had
to say. DH on the other hand seems only able to spew
venom and hate.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 10:21:18 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Toasty,
You can find that post and a couple other DH gems over on
the SFC2.Net forum. To be fair, I did read posts from Max
and Likkerpig and they seemed sincere with what they had
to say. DH on the other hand seems only able to spew
venom and hate.

Give it up Hooch.

I don't think you are gonna win this one. See Exhibit A above.

DH, delete that post if you know what's good for you.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 10, 2003, 10:35:20 am

Coreen Dallas is Borg, gee, the Delta Quadrant is looking better and better...

DieHard was out of line with that one, I won't deny that, but he was a part of the community here, and a long-standing one at that. Imagine all the time he spent typing out all those posts... He must ahave devoted a HUGE amount of time to it. Far more than I would.

And now he's banned, ostracised for being critical of Taldren, and also by being out of line. I don't think many people would deny that he should have been banned for a few days, been sent an email informing him why, and displaying Taldren displeasure at what he did. He should then have been given the opportunity to redeem himself. He wasn't, and now is really pissed. A very significant part of his life is now gone, and for some people to be scorned in a place where they were formerly accepted is very hard to accept.

I don't condone what DieHard said about Dave's kids, but I do understand why he said it. What I don't condone, nor understand, is Taldren's continued reaction. Take Dave, for instance. He now has a new signature, a quote from the bible. This makes him Christian, right? To turn the other cheek and forgive is also Christian, yet do we see any sign of this in the Taldren Three's case? No. This makes him unChristian... It's illogical behaviour, and Dave really does run the risk of being thought of as a hypocrite.

My personal belief is that Dave should remove his signature, or unban the Three. I personally feel it is wrong that a person espousing Christianty so iopenly would also demonstrate such non-Christian values. Which is why I'm BUMPing this back to the top of the pile.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Subspace on February 10, 2003, 11:00:21 am

Christans are not Logical ????

but I dont know what was said so Im not going to judge ,,, I personally dont think any1 has to turn the other cheek ( but im not christan at all)... a second chance would be nice since he contributed so much .... but like i said I dont know what its all about..... I just wanted to get in a negative remark on christans ....

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 11:10:16 am

Quote:

A very significant part of his life is now gone, and for some people to be scorned in a place where they were formerly accepted is very hard to accept.

So, what's going on in the RM/ARM Forums on sf2.net forum, eh? Maybe, we should ask one of the banned who was oh so magnanimous a couple of months ago. Now, I don't care but the facts can never be denied.

Next, y'all go around asking for forgiveness, make sure your own house is in order first.

Anything less smacks of hypocrisy.

A non-SFC2.net ARM spokesman would have served the banned's interests better.

There a lot other threads in this forum that need more attention particularly the ones about games issues and how to make SFC3 a more balanced game.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned *DELETED*
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 01:33:20 pm

Post deleted by SSCF Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 02:28:45 pm

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Scipio_66 on February 10, 2003, 02:41:56 pm

Quote:

Now there is an ugly and unexpected turn on the Fora's most viewed (I think) thread.

Will the Taldren Three be re-instated?

Will Taldern even post on this thread?

Will Hooch turn Blue?

Will Chuut get himself banned?

Will others develop an uncontrolable urge to post negative remarks about other groups?

Will Taldren do anything about it?

What would Paramount say about all this?

Will Die Hard ever learn when it is best to STFU?

Will J'inn ever get back to work and quit wasting time on the forums?

None of this matters, J'inn. The only thing that truly matters in this situations is: what would Brian Boytano do?

-S'Cipio

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 03:08:02 pm

Quote:

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Is this really what computer code looks like? I have to assume so. I don't see how computer code guys can do this all day. I got a headache just trying to figure this little bit out. I'm serious here.

Ya know there is a whole philosophiical thingy about what happens when only a few people in society control everything that keeps that society at a certain level of civilization.. I think we are getting close to The Tyranny of the Computer Aware. Followed eventually by the Luddite Revolution led by J'inn the Roundhead. Followed shortly thereafter by The Dark Ages Part Deux.

Seriously, does computer code HAVE to be this hard to understand?? Or is it all some vast Techie conspiracy to take over the world. I think it just might be . . . . . <ZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPP>

This post has been deleted by Microsoft, Inc. J'inn has been "deleted" as well. Please move along.

Actually the fun part comes when you try to take this mush, compile it into object libraries and then link them into an executable. Or, in SFC2's case make a .scr exe.

Unix:
Bus Error, Core Dump.

Hiring Manager: "So, do you know how to debug a core file?"
Eager Candidate Borg-rammer: "Ummm....you use VI?"
Hiring Mananger: *makes mental note to scratch candidate*

Or in Windows you get the dreaded:

"Illegal program error, etc." aka as the CTD of your SFC2/3 client.

Hiring Manager: "So, do you need those pesky MFC/ATL Dlls?"
Eager Candidate Borg-rammer: "Ummm....No?"
Hiring Mananger: *makes mental note to scratch candidate*

Seriously, though, the code you saw represents instructions to the machine to solve whatever problem is being solved. It's more psuedo-code, or an code snippet, cuz many of the instructions are not defined.

In plain English the code means:

For an eternity, if no response is given then someone will bump the thread. If alternate criticism is given then someone will either:
a) Make up a witty list
b) Convienently, cover up any personal faux pas and still argue
c) Name call
d) Make in-game threats

For every succeeding iteration of thread posts in the above train of thought the amount of thread vitality will diminish.

If the banned are released then they have made a jail break from purgatory.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 03:47:28 pm

You know Karank, right about the time I think your not as big of a newt as I might have thought, you come back and remind me just why I wrote you off the first time and called you a self absorded windbag.

I suggest that you re-read your GFL rules of conduct that you so kindly pointed out to me a while back.

Behavior:

Abusive behavior is grounds for removal from the dyna. For GFL members it may result in punitive action up to, and including, execution and removal from the League roster. Abusive behavior includes personal attacks on other players via text chat, voice, e-mail or forum posting. Keep your fights to the battle field.

In addition to personal attacks, foul language can be grounds for banning. Many players have children who watch or participate in the dyna. In addition, many players have parents who they do not want seeing foul language on a game ... and thus lose their access to the game.

Now please read slowly, I have no intention of letting this thread die. If I get deployed to the gulf soon I bet that somebody else will keep it going until I get back.

Mocking me in your current manner only motivates me all the more.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: hobbesmaster on February 10, 2003, 04:19:10 pm

Quote:

Will J'inn ever get back to work and quit wasting time on the forums?

No.

Keep this as the first thread and Taldren can't possibly ignore it! Oh well...

Quick question: Who did the bannings? Is this person currently doing moderating on the forum? Has this person been known to say things on the forum that Taldren later had to formally withdraw? If so, does that mean that this moderator is competant to make the decision to ban instrumental members of the D2 community?

Ok, the last sentence was directly refering to the Hydran RM, so ban me..

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 04:21:00 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooch:
Cheap shot you creep!

Well, I supposed this was posted by SSCF's finest, also.

All, CD did was take reference of an actual post. Your response is threats and name calling. Well, excuse me if I think that's wrong and say so.

It's your blatant name-calling and threats of in-game intimidation that really are at issue here.

Maybe you should go reread the warning label you put on SSCF's D2 server. Something about no abusive behavior, etc.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Tantalus on February 10, 2003, 04:33:14 pm

<barges into the creche>

Unban the banned!! And get some lolly pops in here! :P

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 10, 2003, 05:00:45 pm

<Errr..... Bump>

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:37:26 pm

What I said WB was that I will make an acception for him in game play, you on the other hand imply I am an idiot of some sort.

My verbage is somewhat less than foul I suspect, only sightly harsh.

Now should I be "lucky" enough to meet you on a server, I will glady withdraw and give you the win, being as I would rather have my hands cut off rather then waste the effort playing you.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:46:39 pm

I find it odd that your comments are directed at me and me me only.

Are you afraid to make comment to Chutt-Ritt and the others that support this thread?

Or do you feel that you are my better and can thereby make your remarks to what you consider to be an unter mann and a military hack?

Concerning the the SSCF server. It stated "have fun, play with honor, no foul language, and be respectful. To your modest credit, you passed the first three but sadly lack the last one.

Also, the issue here is the banned people not me, although you seemed to be determined to make it me.

Anyway, please keep on posting sir. Every time you do I get closer to the 5000 views I am currently shooting for.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 05:53:19 pm

Quote:

I find it odd that your comments are directed at me and me me only.

Are you afraid to make comment to Chutt-Ritt and the others that support this thread?

Or do you feel that you are my better and can thereby make your remarks to what you consider to be an unter mann and a military hack?

Concerning the the SSCF server. It stated "have fun, play with honor, no foul language, and be respectful. To your modest credit, you passed the first three but sadly lack the last one.

Also, the issue here is the banned people not me, although you seemed to be determined to make it me.

Anyway, please keep on posting sir. Every time you do I get closer to the 5000 views I am currently shooting for.

Hooch

I think we covered the "Hooch" issues for today.

But, lest you forget, I have been petitioning for DH's freedom also.

<bump>

Free Die Hard!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:58:14 pm

Dear WB

Oh drat, I was so looking foward to a retort.

Question, if you are in support of this then why for goodness sake to you make ratty remarks at me? Do you like my ratty ones that come back? Or are you just looking for some cheap yayas?

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 06:04:47 pm

You were talking about "being respectful".

Do you really think calling people a "creep" is "being respectful"? I think you are better than that

I just did not appreciate the name-calling. If he started vulgar mouthing off and such, then I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do. But, all he did was reference a post that DH should have deleted by now.

oh yeah, <bump> and DH delete that post!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 06:15:25 pm

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 10, 2003, 06:35:23 pm

Quote:

Now please read slowly, I have no intention of letting this thread die. If I get deployed to the gulf soon I bet that somebody else will keep it going until I get back.

Mocking me in your current manner only motivates me all the more.

Hooch

To All,

Regarding not letting it die.......

Semper Fi! Hoorah!

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 07:51:35 pm

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Brahahaha. That is a fine piece of humor. Anyone who doesn't get it is most likely suffering a serious lack of bran in their diet.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 08:14:11 pm

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

I could not care less what your issues are with him on the SFC2.net Forums. Just keep it civil here if he keeps it civil here, and I believe all will work out nicely for you in the end.

I think people that don't "fall" for the low road temptation of the flamer, come off with their opinion more respected and adhered to in the end.

Something about "being respectful".

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 08:41:18 pm

Hooch wrote:

Quote:

Well, I am a nice shade of pink right now.

DH was not right to say that for sure, It was very poor taste to say what he did.

So, is there any reasonable reason that you feel you should continue supporting the reversal of his banishment from these forums?

Hooch continued to post:

Quote:

CD, I normally allow folks to leave a fight with me if they are beaten, but you I will may a special catagory for if I ever find you on a sever.

I'm not sure why you're upset here, but if you are it begs the question: Do you feel that CD should have continued to have allowed some folks to misrepresent MD as anything more than a poster of hate-filled and vitrolic posts?

Quote:

Hooch

Also please note the comment by DH was made AFTER they banned him again for nothing, oddy CD did not bother to explain that, he only wished to add a fuel to this fire. Cheap shot you creep!

Do you sincerely feel that the time frame of when he posted that tripe is of any justification for such a vile commentary?

Have you considered that maybe you have gotten so wrapped up in your crusade that you have lost sight of more important areas of conduct?

Well, some food for thought.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Hale on February 10, 2003, 09:26:34 pm

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Please line your braces up!! I dislike looking at code where the open braces trail the line. :P

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 09:41:32 pm

Quote:

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Please line your braces up!! I dislike looking at code where the open braces trail the line. :P

LOL, I tried using tabs and spaces but they don't make it when the final post is submitted.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 09:47:42 pm

[quoteYour bossy tone could use a little work too. I think you will find people a little more receptive to your views, if you don't treat them like something to be ordered around whenever you so please.
Read this very slowly: This aint the military here and you are not a GFL member so don't try it with me ever.

You can treat people however you want in the Air Force here or in the Gulf. Try the bossy and self-righteous talk here and you will be continually be causing yourself grief. Something about "being respectful".

Sorry twenty years is a bit of a hard habit to break. Twenty years of "being there" to make sure people have the right to speak their veiws. I have put my money where my mouth is and raised my right hand 4 times to say I will and swear to go where sent so people can live and speak freely.

Civil? I am civil to a fault. You must not read much else on these forums or I would see you commenting on other peoples civility along with my own. You are inconsistant in your oberservations and your posts. You attack and mock the cry foul when you recieve it back and then step up on a soap box and preach the virtues of respect and civilty when you have it served back to you in kind.

I did not start this with you, you began it, and you continue it.

I rather fancy GFL is a very good organization and I respect it and it's gamers. (with one exception of course)

Grief? Here? You have got to be kidding, this is child's play. Jumping in holes at 02:00 when a klaxton goes off because 4 Scuds have been launched at your base is grief. Pulling on CWE gear is grief and lugging an M16 around with you is grief.

Bah, your not even worth the effort.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on February 10, 2003, 10:16:19 pm

OK girls. Cut it out.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Stormbringer on February 10, 2003, 10:18:05 pm

20 minus 475 days and counting.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 12:27:52 am

Oh my,

Hooch, Karnak come over here so I can whop you both of your heads and knock some sense into yas.......

Hooch,

I agree tha CD took Die Hards post out of the proper time line. But that is no reason to bash him for using the post to support his argument, that is his right, and we shouldn't get upset by it. I just wish that the time frame be considered regarding this.

As you said, with regard to that remark, you do not condone it, neither do I, but like others have posted I understand the frustration he must feel at the initial banning. If your boss fires you due to a misunderstanding, and you cuss him out for it, once he comes to realize he was mistaken in his initial assumption, he should still hire you back. That why we continue to support Die Hard, although I feel he should delete that 1 remark (it really isn't kosher) as I posted long ago on that very thread.

I can understand Karnak's defense of CD, and I feel he was correct in this, so dont get so upset by it. Whatever the cause the fact is the two of you got a little heated and started flaming, well stop it and get on with the purpose at hand. Flame wars are not what we are here for.

Karnak,

If you believe in the un-banning cause as you say you do, it is counterproductive to tell Hooch it is a "lost cause" as your post implied. In this matter I support Hooch 100%. A "lost cause" is worth fighting for when it is just (and not sure that it is a lost one myself). Die Hard's continued anger over the banning is not unlike your own over the AOTK issues, but if you will kindly recall, I still went to bat for your return to the campaign as a valued player and community member despite your venomous responses after the incident of your removal as ARM. Later you did admit to a certain unjustness,and render an apology about your negetive responses as I hope Die Hard will do if his situation is corrected. I hope this may prove to be the case and that he will follow that example. Some called the AOTK " Karnak situation" a "lost cause" but it proved worth the effort, as you validated my efforts on your behalf. So don't let it arise again.

I also ask you to remember that Fluf and I were SFC2.net RM and A/RM respectively, and we did our best towards you, so please do not direct criticism towards the SFC2.net RMs without considering this.

I agree in your defence of CD and his rights to disagree, but I think I detected some holdover venom from the AOTK issue, this likely triggered Hooch's response, please let it drop.

Well, either 2 things can happen here, #1 you both give an apology for letting this misunderstanding become a minor Flame, and your heated words, and shake hands, or #2 you both start flaming me for playing peace broker or misunderstanding the issues at hand. I hope you both are men enough to do the former without a "him first attitude". If you can do this, I will hold you both in higher regard. ...........

Now lets get on with it and Bump this sucker!!!!!

my 2 cents plus tax.........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 12:29:55 am

Quote:

Will Chuut get himself banned?
- J'inn

Well J'inn thats what you are here for, to keep me from going too far

Honestly I don't think I have to this point. I have been a nuisance perhaps to those who wish to sweep this banning thing under the rug, but I have refrained from any use of profanity and any personal attacks on this forum. If disagreeing with Taldren's banning policy and disagreeing with those who support it is out of line, well I guess I'm a case of banned waiting to happen.

But let me say this right now, I don't think anyone in the other camp is a moron or a bad person, I just think that they should rethink their views on this particular issue, and suggest that they may have lost some perspective. They may feel the same about me and I will not be angered by them if they do. That is what I am defending after all, the right to disagree.

Oh yeah, almost forgot,

BUMP !!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 11, 2003, 02:35:11 am

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

The man wishes for the death of another persons children
and I'm the bad guy here? That's classic. I make post showing
people what Die Hard is like and I get insulted and called
names. Gimme a break.

I didn't abuse any access to the SFC2.Net forums. I didn't
have to make an account. I didn't have to register. I didn't
have to log on. I didn't have to use a password. The post
was right there in the "General Forum" for anyone to see.

I stumbled upon the SFC2.Net forums because of a link
someone posted here for a thread there called "101 Uses
for SFC3". Speaking of that thread, let's share DH's answer
to that topic:

Die Hard: " #2 Proof the Dave Ferrel is a moron!"

I'm a little unclear on how this is a use for SFC3 but I think
people get the point.

Well, since you are already calling me names, I might as well
post the other two nuggets of DH wisdom that I came across.

In a thread titled "Another Shining Moment In Taldren's History"
with a survey asking if Dave has "lost it"

Die Hard:" I think my opinions on the pig-F'er are well known."

This doesn't sound to good, unless pig-F'er is a code word
for "swell dude".

The last example I found was probaly made when he was
banned the first time. Since he was under undo stress from
the experience we won't hold it against him but let's share it
any ways.

Die Hard: "David Ferrell is a real smuck. Not only has he
banned me 3 times what stuff that was really minor,
he's started deleting individual posts of mine.
He can kiss my tucus before I say I'm sorry and mean it.
I posted a half-hearted apology to this moron, but thats all
he's gonna get. Besides, HE CANNOT KEEP ME OUT!!!!!!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Take care Mr. Hooch. Talk to you soon.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 11, 2003, 02:58:19 am

Just my Daily bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 03:43:17 am

See CD NT,

I will not get offended by your post or the use you put the SFC2,net forums to, it is quite within your rights IMHO.

I still disagree however (except that the posts were distasteful). My view is that Die Hard was wronged initially, and while that doesn't warrant that kind of venom, still his is just expressing his frustrations. When the forums were moved and he briefly had access under his old callsign, his posts were quite well- mannered. So I do not think that venom after the fact changes this.

However,

If Taldren should reinstate him, 3 things can happen

#1 he refuses the invitation to rejoin the forums

If #1 happens end of story

#2 he misbehaves himself and is banned permanently

If #2 happens I will apologize to the community and Taldren for my efforts to bring him back, and support the ban myself. I don't mind anyone who wishes to heap as many I told you so's as they wish. Yyet we really aren't any worse off than we were before now are we?

#3 he behaves himself

If #3 happens alot of players will be very happy

In either of the 3 scenarios I will be fully satisfied that justice has been served. And Taldren will have earned much respect from those who feel as I do.

I think this would be a great PR move by Taldren.

BTW CD NT,

I can at least appreciate your view on the Die Hard issue, but I don't think there is much of a case against Likkerpig, and none at all against Max Power not being re-instated.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 11, 2003, 05:15:26 am

I agree, Chuut. CD, I can understand Die Hard's view of Dave. Personally, I really have to wonder how, when Taldren got EAW out in such a state that you might as well have been trying to play with a bag of spanners, that they could make a similar, albeit lesser, mistake with SFC3. I'm bored to shreds with SFC3 already, while the patched EAW is still one of my favourite games.

Making the same mistake raises some serious questions about exactly what Taldren are doing and whether they want to remain in business in the long term. Then banning those who are more vitriolic in their complaints is deeply concerning.

Oh yeah, and BUMP...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 11, 2003, 06:05:55 am

Quote:

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

The man wishes for the death of another persons children
and I'm the bad guy here? That's classic. I make post showing
people what Die Hard is like and I get insulted and called
names. Gimme a break.

I didn't abuse any access to the SFC2.Net forums. I didn't
have to make an account. I didn't have to register. I didn't
have to log on. I didn't have to use a password. The post
was right there in the "General Forum" for anyone to see.

I stumbled upon the SFC2.Net forums because of a link
someone posted here for a thread there called "101 Uses
for SFC3". Speaking of that thread, let's share DH's answer
to that topic:

Die Hard: " #2 Proof the Dave Ferrel is a moron!"

I'm a little unclear on how this is a use for SFC3 but I think
people get the point.

Well, since you are already calling me names, I might as well
post the other two nuggets of DH wisdom that I came across.

In a thread titled "Another Shining Moment In Taldren's History"
with a survey asking if Dave has "lost it"

Die Hard:" I think my opinions on the pig-F'er are well known."

This doesn't sound to good, unless pig-F'er is a code word
for "swell dude".

The last example I found was probaly made when he was
banned the first time. Since he was under undo stress from
the experience we won't hold it against him but let's share it
any ways.

Die Hard: "David Ferrell is a real smuck. Not only has he
banned me 3 times what stuff that was really minor,
he's started deleting individual posts of mine.
He can kiss my tucus before I say I'm sorry and mean it.
I posted a half-hearted apology to this moron, but thats all
he's gonna get. Besides, HE CANNOT KEEP ME OUT!!!!!!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Take care Mr. Hooch. Talk to you soon.

My goodness! What kind of folks inhabit the SFC2.Net forums? I can't believe that every one of them think this type of conduct is excusable. Do they? Becuase so far that's all I've seen in this thread is one excuse after another trying vainly to explain away, nay, justify some pretty sickening posts.

I just don't see it. N O T H I N G can justify and or be forgiven for what he wrote. For any one of you to campign for his reinstatement, in my opinion, does nothing to further the cause of others. Further more, as far as I'm concerned, it shows a total lack of moral courage on your parts not being able to condemn him and recognise that this community is not about what he represents. His comments, no matter what the context, are vile and disgusting to the extreme.

How any of you can support him in light of these revelations is beyond any undrestanding. Your repudiation of him and what he represents should soundly be stated. No if this then that balogney. Don't be sissies about it. What he wrote on more than on occasion makes me sure that he is in no way even worthy of your contempt, much less your help in getting his sick and twisted identity reinsated to these forums.

For someone to not soundly condemn this contemptous cur for his sick rantings leads me to believe that those who support him are of the same ilk and are hard pressed to distingush between civil and uncivil behavour. Case in point--Hooch's unwarranted flaming of CD for enlightening us to the sick and twisted rantings in the fist place.

And back to my original question...

Do all the members of GFL and SFC2.NET support the tripe we've seen posted on their forums? Is this what they are about?

Hooch's post sure has lead me to think so.

Best,
Jerry

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 11, 2003, 07:05:13 am

While I do not agree with what diehard said both him and max have been banned twice
For putting down the programing of sfc3 they were banned once Why ban them twice ?
May be they should put down the ati programers no action was taken over that
Lets face it if you support sfc2 your classed as scum here its a taldren cast off and as for us they would realy like us
to dissapear

This is our only way to protest and thats what we are going to do
Any ways I sure some one at taldren is getting a kick out of this as they not locked the thread

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Julin Eurthyr on February 11, 2003, 08:21:34 am

Quote:

And back to my original question...

Do all the members of GFL and SFC2.NET support the tripe we've seen posted on their forums? Is this what they are about?

Hooch's post sure has lead me to think so.

Best,
Jerry

As a member of SFC2Net's Forums:

I support the ability for someone to have an opposing viewpoint.
I support the ability to critisize an especially bug-filled and consistenly uncorrected issue.
I support civility, comadarie, and a communal place to discuss various issues about our games, the SFC series.

And I feel the majority of the other users of SFC2Net's forums feel the same way.

As a user of SFC2Net, My support of those administrators means I will support their decision on allowing Die Hard's posts to stand, despite any personal feelings I may have on that topic. As a user of the Taldren forums, my support of their administrators means I will support their decision on banning the Taldren Three. Given the proper reasons to do so, I will question decisions I do not agree with. On this issue, those reasons have not materialized to my liking, therefore a lack of questioning from my part. However, I do wish to see this resolved, one way or another. Therefore, my continued support (via helping Hooch get his 5000 views), of seeking an answer to these questions.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 11, 2003, 08:33:25 am

Quote:

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

The man wishes for the death of another persons children
and I'm the bad guy here? That's classic. I make post showing
people what Die Hard is like and I get insulted and called
names. Gimme a break.

I didn't abuse any access to the SFC2.Net forums. I didn't
have to make an account. I didn't have to register. I didn't
have to log on. I didn't have to use a password. The post
was right there in the "General Forum" for anyone to see.

I stumbled upon the SFC2.Net forums because of a link
someone posted here for a thread there called "101 Uses
for SFC3". Speaking of that thread, let's share DH's answer
to that topic:

Die Hard: " #2 Proof the Dave Ferrel is a moron!"

I'm a little unclear on how this is a use for SFC3 but I think
people get the point.

Well, since you are already calling me names, I might as well
post the other two nuggets of DH wisdom that I came across.

In a thread titled "Another Shining Moment In Taldren's History"
with a survey asking if Dave has "lost it"

Die Hard:" I think my opinions on the pig-F'er are well known."

This doesn't sound to good, unless pig-F'er is a code word
for "swell dude".

The last example I found was probaly made when he was
banned the first time. Since he was under undo stress from
the experience we won't hold it against him but let's share it
any ways.

Die Hard: "David Ferrell is a real smuck. Not only has he
banned me 3 times what stuff that was really minor,
he's started deleting individual posts of mine.
He can kiss my tucus before I say I'm sorry and mean it.
I posted a half-hearted apology to this moron, but thats all
he's gonna get. Besides, HE CANNOT KEEP ME OUT!!!!!!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Take care Mr. Hooch. Talk to you soon.

The issue with me here is that you took the comment out of context, from another forum. Die Hards words were certainly way over the top and he should retract them and make public apology.

I will say say now to you I am sorry for bashing you and I will delete those posts. I was angry too and should have not said those things, again I am sorry.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: C-Los on February 11, 2003, 08:47:36 am

BUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on February 11, 2003, 09:36:22 am

OK before I start. You are excited about getting more views than the SETI thread? Why? People always flock to a fight, and only those interested in helping us with SETI (contributing) go in there. We probably have reached most of the people we ever will. So congrats on your 5000 Views. I am sure I could start a thread about SFC2 vs. SFC 3 and start off by calling Nanner an idiot (which I do not think he is, just an example) and let the flamefest ensue. Now then on to your points.

I know of no one who has gotten a second chance. It appears that their temporary amnesty was a mistake. I also know that the member that was spewing hateful (non-family oreinted bile) anti-semetic language has also been banned. Yes there were even those who protested his banning. I am not one.

This board is offered as a service. It is free, it has no rules besides what Taldren decides it has. I, as an intellgent forum goer, have been able to figure them out.

1. Don't Troll (too much)!

2. Don't make a habit of profanity!

3. If you are going to complain about the people who pay for this board, do so without wishing death upon their children!

4. If you screw up to the point that you are banned. Get over it. Grow up and make a new name or leave.

Now you have no right to criticize Taldren on this. Why? Beacuse you only have the "rights" you have been given by them. THEY OWN THIS PLACE!!!! Now other than obscene amount of rudeness I think supporting this "crusade" to un-ban people that have obviously been banned for something they did. I want to know why these three deserve such a second chance. When (to my knowledge) no one else has been given this chance. I for one fully support Taldren in their efforts to enforce a certain level of civility on their boards. The OT area seems to be given a little more leeway as it is a place that passion runs a little hotter. However, to post in the General forum, and tell the programmers of the company that their product sucks is just plain stupid. What have you accomplished?

Now then... Do I like SFC 3? Not really. I had hoped for something different, but it is nice. Certainly not the worst $50 I have ever spent. I do weight that against SFC 1 and 2 and OP, some of the best software I have ever owned. Was I upset about how it worked (sure) but I was encouraged by the open and honest way Taldren dealt with us (inspite of a dying publisher). They have gone out of their way, time and time again, to make their game enjoyable for as many players as possible. I like Taldren. I find this tantrum being thrown distasteful (being polite) I hope you are sending Taldren a big Valentine thanking them for the ability to question their decisions on a board they are paying for. But, I doubt it.

If you wish to discuss SFC 3s problems their are all sorts of places here to do so. However, I can think of no way that buying a game gives you any sort of "right" to question the running of a private board. I (as most of us will) will look play sfc 3 again after the patch to see if I like it more. If not, ok. I will ask for, and hopefully get a game more like what I want next time. If not that is O.K. too.

Thanks Taldren for all your hard work!

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 11, 2003, 09:43:58 am

Well it seems several would perfer Die Hrd not return. Some would prefer that he be tarred and feathered.

The old: The uncivil should be punished vs. Free Speech stuff. Boring.

Curious:

What is everyone's opinion on Max Power? Should he have been banned for being critical of SFC3? If so, then there are a lot of people on Taldren's To- Be- Banned list now. Should he be un-banned now?

Now I can understand that perhaps Max's statements (which in my opinion were scathing but hardly over the top) came at a delicate time. Maybe, someone was having a bad day. Maybe there was concern over the effect of bad PR at the time on sales. <=== A valid concern IMHO.

I'm just curious here. It seems the pro-banning lobby is focusing on Die Hard. Obviously, he is the worst of the three offenders. I'm sure he would even agree with that. I doubt he would want his actions to effect the other two though.

So, let's see what we have to say about the one that did the least harm. Specifically, Max Power.

Taldren deleted one of my posts at the time too. It was a silly joke about Taldren refusing to sell SFC3 to me because I sucked so bad. I was very surprsied they deleted it because it was clean and in no way said anythiing bad about the game. The only conclusion is when the game first came out there was a lot of concern regarding bad PR effecting sales. Makes sense to me actually. However, now that the initial wave of sales is over Taldren has obviously lightened up. Note: all of the people pissing off Dave but not getting banned.

As for me personally. There are lots of things I wish people would not post on these boards. None of which will cause me to lose any sleep though. And yes, Die Hard has several posts he should delete. But if he doesn't, I live.

SFC2.Net forums? Yes, very liberal. Everyone by now shoudl know that so it's not a problem. When you don't have to worry about sales you can be that way.

So, I would ask Taldren to let the three bad boys back in. Max really did nothing wrong IMHO. Likkerpig had a tantrum and recanted. Die Hard . . . . he's his own worst enemy. He needs to remember that kids read these forums also. Let him back in too. Ban him for life if he ever says one thing un-civil.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 10:06:40 am

It isn't really about second chances when the first chance was marred by an inappropriate banning now is it?

Yes Taldren has the right to do as they please, just as they have the right not to patch their games and leave their customers hanging. I just don't think it is a good move from a customer relations point of view.

Quote:

it shows a total lack of moral courage on your parts not being able to condemn him and recognise that this community is not about what he represents
---ToastyO

Jerry,

I have respect for much of the stuff that I have see you post, but I disagee with this statement. How is tanding up for one's belief about what we consider to be a wrongful banning a lack of moral courage? Moral courage is the strength to stand up for what you believe is right, this we are doing despite the actions of the powers that be on this forum.

I will agree that Die Hard is not doing himself any favors by his posting in anger, but that does nothing to justify the initial banning of him in the first place. As I posted earlier, however I can understand how others, might not feel this way, and I leave you peacefully with your own opinion regarding this. To attack us a "Moral Cowards" for standing up for our beliefs makes me wonder why you cannot do the same.

To sum up, I don't mind your disagreeing, but do you really need to resort to name calling Jerry? Isn't this what you accused Die Hard of? He post that David Ferrel is a moron, you post that we lack "moral courage" and are "sissies", there really isn't much difference here IMHO.

I defended those who disagreed with me on this very issue just a few posts up, now I defend those who agree with me.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 10:15:04 am

Quote:

Well it seems several would perfer Die Hrd not return. Some would prefer that he be tarred and feathered.

The old: The uncivil should be punished vs. Free Speech stuff. Boring.

Curious:

What is everyone's opinion on Max Power? Should he have been banned for being critical of SFC3? If so, then there are a lot of people on Taldren's To- Be- Banned list now. Should he be un-banned now?

Now I can understand that perhaps Max's statements (which in my opinion were scathing but hardly over the top) came at a delicate time. Maybe, someone was having a bad day. Maybe there was concern over the effect of bad PR at the time on sales. <=== A valid concern IMHO.

I'm just curious here. It seems the pro-banning lobby is focusing on Die Hard. Obviously, he is the worst of the three offenders. I'm sure he would even agree with that. I doubt he would want his actions to effect the other two though.

So, let's see what we have to say about the one that did the least harm. Specifically, Max Power.

Taldren deleted one of my posts at the time too. It was a silly joke about Taldren refusing to sell SFC3 to me because I sucked so bad. I was very surprsied they deleted it because it was clean and in no way said anythiing bad about the game. The only conclusion is when the game first came out there was a lot of concern regarding bad PR effecting sales. Makes sense to me actually. However, now that the initial wave of sales is over Taldren has obviously lightened up. Note: all of the people pissing off Dave but not getting banned.

As for me personally. There are lots of things I wish people would not post on these boards. None of which will cause me to lose any sleep though. And yes, Die Hard has several posts he should delete. But if he doesn't, I live.

SFC2.Net forums? Yes, very liberal. Everyone by now shoudl know that so it's not a problem. When you don't have to worry about sales you can be that way.

So, I would ask Taldren to let the three bad boys back in. Max really did nothing wrong IMHO. Likkerpig had a tantrum and recanted. Die Hard . . . . he's his own worst enemy. He needs to remember that kids read these forums also. Let him back in too. Ban him for life if he ever says one thing un-civil.

My sentiments exactly J'inn,

I think you might have expressed them better than I, but you know me and my moral causes and how they can get me worked up. If I have come across as a morally over zealous crusader, I apologize to the community, I'm just trying to stand up for what I believe in in a strong manner, there is no intent to truly offend anyone.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on February 11, 2003, 10:19:36 am

Yes, tar and feather Die Hard!!!

I for one am a sfc2.net regular and think that Die Hard shouldn't be un-banned until he apologizes for the OTT posts, deletes them and Dave feels like it. It is their forum after all and I'm all about civil liberties (e.g. right of private property holders). I actually have grown to like Die Hard and think that once you get past his approach he adds to the community, but he shouldn't expect to be welcomed into someone else's house if he is going to crap on them.

As for Max and likkerpig, let them back in, they have been contrite.

Kroma

PS, Now for my dirty little secrete.......noooo.....stop looking under there........I have been playing the single player campaign of SFC3 for the last week and....well.....enjoying myself.....I won't go blind will I?????

Don't know if it will have the multi-player legs that EaW has for me, but all in all, worth the $50 for the single player alone. Keep in mind that most people that purchase the game only do so for the single player anyway, it is us "die hards" that want the D3 to be so much more and will never be completely happy. For the average "kirk" taldren has created a fun game to wile away some time and IMHO a product worth my money.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 11, 2003, 10:43:03 am

Quote:

Oh my,

Hooch, Karnak come over here so I can whop you both of your heads and knock some sense into yas.......

Hooch,

I agree tha CD took Die Hards post out of the proper time line. But that is no reason to bash him for using the post to support his argument, that is his right, and we shouldn't get upset by it. I just wish that the time frame be considered regarding this.

As you said, with regard to that remark, you do not condone it, neither do I, but like others have posted I understand the frustration he must feel at the initial banning. If your boss fires you due to a misunderstanding, and you cuss him out for it, once he comes to realize he was mistaken in his initial assumption, he should still hire you back. That why we continue to support Die Hard, although I feel he should delete that 1 remark (it really isn't kosher) as I posted long ago on that very thread.

I can understand Karnak's defense of CD, and I feel he was correct in this, so dont get so upset by it. Whatever the cause the fact is the two of you got a little heated and started flaming, well stop it and get on with the purpose at hand. Flame wars are not what we are here for.

Karnak,

If you believe in the un-banning cause as you say you do, it is counterproductive to tell Hooch it is a "lost cause" as your post implied. In this matter I support Hooch 100%. A "lost cause" is worth fighting for when it is just (and not sure that it is a lost one myself). Die Hard's continued anger over the banning is not unlike your own over the AOTK issues, but if you will kindly recall, I still went to bat for your return to the campaign as a valued player and community member despite your venomous responses after the incident of your removal as ARM. Later you did admit to a certain unjustness,and render an apology about your negetive responses as I hope Die Hard will do if his situation is corrected. I hope this may prove to be the case and that he will follow that example. Some called the AOTK " Karnak situation" a "lost cause" but it proved worth the effort, as you validated my efforts on your behalf. So don't let it arise again.

I also ask you to remember that Fluf and I were SFC2.net RM and A/RM respectively, and we did our best towards you, so please do not direct criticism towards the SFC2.net RMs without considering this.

I agree in your defence of CD and his rights to disagree, but I think I detected some holdover venom from the AOTK issue, this likely triggered Hooch's response, please let it drop.

Well, either 2 things can happen here, #1 you both give an apology for letting this misunderstanding become a minor Flame, and your heated words, and shake hands, or #2 you both start flaming me for playing peace broker or misunderstanding the issues at hand. I hope you both are men enough to do the former without a "him first attitude". If you can do this, I will hold you both in higher regard. ...........

Now lets get on with it and Bump this sucker!!!!!

my 2 cents plus tax.........

Fact correction: I resigned as ARM, and changed my mind 24 hours later, but that's neither here nor there.

I choose Option #1.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jerry:
Do all the members of GFL and SFC2.NET support the tripe we've seen posted on their forums? Is this what they are about?

Such vile DH posts in GFL forums would not be appreciated. Frankly, GFL is the most civil forum that I have ever seen. I certainly don't support DH's posts and told him at least twice in this thread with the

icon to delete them.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: David Ferrell on February 11, 2003, 12:09:38 pm

They were never un-banned.

They will not be coming back.

Any further threads of this sort will be deleted as a public nuisance.

Thanks,

Dave

Title: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 29, 2003, 03:22:54 pm

Taldren, why has FPF Die Hard been re-banned in these forums. I have seen nothing that he has done wrong. Please un-ban his account as you have permitted serveral others who where banned back.

New forums, clean slate. At least allow him the ability to hang himself, I know it's your nickel but really, this was not warranted this time.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aenigma on January 29, 2003, 03:47:18 pm

I'm quite new here, and i don't know anything of DieHard, but he seems to be a notorious person, just like someone called Don. What did they do to get this status?

erei'Arrain Aenigma

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Vertigo on January 29, 2003, 04:15:48 pm

IIRC Die Hard made a post in anger accusing Taldren employees of being lazy, not caring about customers, and some other such stuff. He was subsequently banned, even tho' there had been others who had made worse comments and not been banned.

He remained banned even after making a public apology and retraction. Many of them, in fact.

It seems to me that he has changed his ways, and didn't deserve to be banned again. I think Taldren is holding a little bit of a grudge here.

This assumes he didn't post something nasty that I missed. Anyone seen any reason for the banning?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on January 29, 2003, 04:48:21 pm

Unban Die Hard!! Please.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on January 29, 2003, 05:16:55 pm

My guess is that the un-banning was just an unintended effect of the forum server change, and now the IP filters have been put back in place. Can't have Die Hard running amok.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Hale on January 29, 2003, 05:19:07 pm

Quote:

IIRC Die Hard made a post in anger accusing Taldren employees of being lazy, not caring about customers, and some other such stuff. He was subsequently banned, even tho' there had been others who had made worse comments and not been banned.

Heck, I agree with him. Ban away!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Blitzkrieg on January 29, 2003, 05:44:46 pm

Well if Taldren dont deliver I will most likely be in his position, the thing is my IP will not renew and as such would only need one IP to ban.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 29, 2003, 06:12:37 pm

I just noticed Kai Lae was re-banned as well.

I hope this didn't have to do with his profile saying "Hobbies: Baseball, Bug free fighters"

Please don't make me dig up the Un-bann Die Hard thread.

Come on Taldren, can't you forgive and forget?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: FatherTed on January 29, 2003, 06:12:42 pm

Well, doesn't this suck? Again.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Subspace on January 29, 2003, 06:15:24 pm

I agree with him ... taldren isnt crap

great game though

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 29, 2003, 06:34:34 pm

Well, you asked for it!

Straight From the Former President Himself

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Fluf on January 29, 2003, 06:39:45 pm

Agreed. Let them both back in. This is just childish. We have more important stuff to do here than have to have this thread stay at the top of the list forever. And believe me it will.

Unban them both, for the good of the community.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 29, 2003, 06:50:53 pm

Quote:

I'm quite new here, and i don't know anything of DieHard, but he seems to be a notorious person, just like someone called Don. What did they do to get this status?

erei'Arrain Aenigma

Well here is Die Hards most famous thread

Try to guess what it is before you click on it

http://208.57.228.3/ubb/Forum2/HTML/007837.html

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on January 29, 2003, 06:52:54 pm

This is frickin' rediculous, especially the re-banning Kai Lae (Max Power). How many times must a man apologize for his actions? It wasn't as if he had comitted a felony.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: FatherTed on January 29, 2003, 06:59:35 pm

Lemme see, Die Hard apologized and has definitely behaved himself. Max apologized, numerous times. Likkerpig not only apologized, but had Kosh go to bat asking for his reinstatement. For God's sake, somebody call Amnesty International! FREE THE TALDREN THREE!!! FREE THE TALDREN THREE!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CaptStumpy on January 29, 2003, 07:28:06 pm

Let our people go!

[Stumpy pulls out an old beat-up guitar and starts a rousing chorus of Kumbayah.]

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Spartan on January 29, 2003, 07:41:17 pm

They have served the time. They do deserve a get out of jail free card now, IMO.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: WillWeasel on January 29, 2003, 08:08:43 pm

Ehhh why not make this my first post on the new boards....

Free those that have been rebanned without just cause....

and Diehard too........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: NuclearWessels on January 29, 2003, 08:59:22 pm

Damn, even if they were let back in by accident with the new forums, everything was working out swimmingly

- the guys were behaving (wayyyyyyyyy better than lots in this forum for sure),
- their friends were happy,
- their (can't find a good word for this) detractors seemingly weren't riled

Things were well on their way back to being our nice normal dysfunctional group.

So why agitate everyone by actively stepping in and re-banning them???
It accomplished nothing except to stir up old aggravations and disrupt the boards even more.

<shrugs> I just don't get it.

But I'll add my voice,
please! BRING 'EM BACK!

dave

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DiggityDank on January 29, 2003, 09:09:20 pm

Adding my voice as well. It's not like they posted sick porn or anything...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: 3dot14 on January 29, 2003, 09:26:25 pm

Don't give them any ideas...

But until then. Let's them come back. Even the felons get presidential pardons...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: FatherTed on January 29, 2003, 09:33:02 pm

I hate to take drastic measures, but if Admin insists on keeping these fine lads out, I'll mention you in me next Mass.

FREE THE TALDREN THREE!!!

FREE THE TALDREN THREE!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: RAGE Cyberbeer on January 29, 2003, 09:36:54 pm

I'm suprised all the liberals have not called the trial laywers to get him unbanned. Honestly, companies get blasted all the time banning people from a public forum is hardly good PR. Not to mention kinda childish.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 29, 2003, 11:03:15 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on January 29, 2003, 11:21:04 pm

I wonder if this has anything to do with

"He who shall not be named"

being promoted to

"He who should not have been named a moderator"

The world wonders....

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Artie on January 29, 2003, 11:40:56 pm

Just got this off the wire:

AP-GUANTANAMO BAY The "Taldren Three" arrived today and were processed at the new detention area erected in the wake of the infamous "J'inn you bastard" post incident and various other crimes against humanity, in which countless people were horribly scarred by the comments of mastermind Die-Hard and his band of villains. Mr. Hard has made many overtures of peace to his captors but the crimes are still fresh in the victims minds.
Attourney General John Ashcroft is looking into the possibility treating the "evil" posters as prisoners of war, but unfortunately Mr. Ashcroft has been unavailable for comment. Sources in the administration say Mr. Ashcroft is stuck "in-battle" above the Klingon Planet Peace.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Maxillius on January 30, 2003, 12:32:27 am

The only point of banning people is to not let them defend their pont of view. That being said, their transgressions (whatever they were) were on the other boards and Die Hard and Kai Lae were behaving themselves. I have NO FREAKING CLUE what Kai Lae might have done to piss off the Taldrenites, and Die Hard... ummm... well he seemed a bit edgy to me, but that alone is no reason to permanently ban someone. I mean, the image tag is back for pete's sakes, so I guess y'all have forgiven the porn-poster!

To back off the tangent a bit... Why are they banned? I mean, Likkerpig REALLY REALLY didn't seem the sort to be banned, and I was wondering why I hadn't seen him on in a while.

<and my Romulan side wonders if this post will get myself banned>

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on January 30, 2003, 12:54:50 am

"BUMP" Come on Taldren let them back in

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 30, 2003, 01:30:05 am

Quote:

I wonder if this has anything to do with

"He who shall not be named"

being promoted to

"He who should not have been named a moderator"

The world wonders....

jd

This is un-called for, Nanner had NOTHING to do with this. Do the community a favor and delete your post.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on January 30, 2003, 02:10:08 am

I would like to request That the "Taldren Three" be unbanned as well.

I ask all those who agree with this sentament to do as I have and put the request in Yellow Letters in your signature. Let this meggage thus spread though all the forums until it is taken note of.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DarkElf on January 30, 2003, 02:36:59 am

Agreed, and I posted the letters into my signature...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on January 30, 2003, 03:12:32 am

test bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on January 30, 2003, 03:13:47 am

ok can anyone tell this dummey how to get it in yellow

Ok got it

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on January 30, 2003, 04:07:30 am

It makes me laugh how max power and die hard are banned yet arabman can stay
So lets just rember the talk of murdering jews IS fine to talk about on the taldren boards
But putting down sfc3 gets you banned
What a nice message we are sending to the people:rollseyes:

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on January 30, 2003, 04:38:26 am

Hey, just a question, Taldren... Where you guys located? USA, right? Now, when I last did Politics 101, USA was a... wait for it, a democracy. That's right, where EVERYBODY has the right to free speech, to voice their opinions without fear of repression or censorship, so long as they state that it is their opinion, and not fact.

Now, it is my repeatedly-stated opinion that Activision are less valuable than their weight in tribbles. Dan, their agent who lurks within these forums, deserves nothing more than being smothered with a Klingon's armpit and drowned in the Bog of Eternal Stench. As for you guys, Taldren, shame on you. You really didn't do your homework when designing SFC3. Too similar races, not enough races, too simple. And after getting EAW right, you've managed to invent new bugs to put back in the prgoram! Egad, are you guys addicted to de-bugging or what?

And shame on you for not allowing people to say what they think of you. You can't have a public forum, then cesnor people out so that you only hear the nice things. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. If you try, you might as well move to a dictatorship, like Iraq.

Oh wait, that'll be part of America in a month or two anyway!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Blitzkrieg on January 30, 2003, 05:23:17 am

Americans always go on about free speach and the like, they make America sound so nice I'm thinking of moving there shortly. As funny as the last post is its sadly true, meaning that your a bunch of hypercrits.

It dosn't matter though, free speah is one of the most stupidest things ever and I'm glad that there is no such thing. For instance, if I started saying "I think parents should be allowed to drown there babies if they feel like it", then some people would get upset. If I continued on, repeating the same offensive rubbish for days and weeks people would leave the forum and some would start sending me hate male.

To make matters worse, I've started to think that "there should be a baby drowning ellemenant to SFC3" and I'm going to inform you all of this latest edition to the game. I'm going to start threads on it, stop threads with it and generaly haras you all with my beleife in drowning babies.

So all I have to do to validate my oppinion is to simply state it is my oppinion? Does this extend to everything? Could I start beeting people up and using the excuse of "It was just my fists"? Or do you want me to go back to the drowning babies aspect of my argument?

NO

You can't have free speach I would be banned from this forum quicker than you could say "patch please". The thing is, all of you would be for it, my highly offensive views are gone, right? Well you see the only thing free about that is, its free unless you think it should be otherwise, right?

Don't make me laugh, there has to be moderation and moderation in moderation so to speak. There is a line of reasonableness that we should all try to stand on, otherwise people have to be excluded for the simple fact that they make life hard for everyone else.

Things that should be moderated -

1) Racism
2) Excessive use of strong language when used with the sole purpose to offend
3) Promoting violence against anyone other than in self defence
4) Excessive personal attacks on anyone for whatever reason
5) Disagreeing with me j/k

Have fun everyone I'm off to write a bit more of my dissertation.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 05:53:40 am

There's a fourth, who got banned in the model forum, for saying things along the same lines:

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=10279&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Isn't time to for Taldren to show how beneficent they can be?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: mc_cloud on January 30, 2003, 07:18:45 am

this is retarted, let them back in

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on January 30, 2003, 07:25:27 am

Quote:

It dosn't matter though, free speah is one of the most stupidest things ever and I'm glad that there is no such thing. For instance, if I started saying "I think parents should be allowed to drown there babies if they feel like it", then some people would get upset. If I continued on, repeating the same offensive rubbish for days and weeks people would leave the forum and some would start sending me hate male.

Ahh, but that's the problem, isn't it? Allowing free speech also allows the radicals to voice their, usually, uninformed, myopic opinions. This upsets the moral majority, who try to suppress these views. If they succeed, then frequently the radicals are driven underground. Isolated, they seek the company of like-minded radicals and form their own sub-society, where their views are approved. KKK, anyone? Or the US militia groups? Left amongst themselves, they cannot help but become even more radical in their views? After all, who do they have to debate against? Where is their voice of reason?

Rather, the American founders had considerable foresight in making free speech an unalienable right (although they did goof up with the right to bear arms). By allowing these people to voice their beliefs, the opportunity arises to debate, interact with and ultimately understand the causes of radicalism, be it racism, or religious fundamentalism, or anything else.

But simply blocking their right to free speech alienates them further, rising deep-seated resentment and, ultimately, taking matters into the radicals' own hands. How difficult would it be for one of the people Taldren have ostracised to talk to one of their friends, a computer hacker? All of a sudden the entire forum is disrupted, to the cost of everyone.

If Dave really is Christian, then he should forgive and engage the banned people, rather than alienating them. I think Die Hard had a point, although he didn't express it very well. Perhaps by understanding exactly what Die Hard wanted to say, Taldren and Activision would be a little more transparent in their dealings with us, and elicit far fewer complaints.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 30, 2003, 10:12:29 am

Bump to top

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: RAGE Cyberbeer on January 30, 2003, 11:38:55 am

A little off topic but a portion of the last post caught my attention. Someone stated the forefathers goofed up on right to bear arms. Now I firmly believe in this right and as soon as I turn 21 I will purchase a firearm. On the news recently a man shot a thief that had broken into his house and was in his sons beadroom. This man defended his home and family with the law behind him. He did not shoot this man out of malice, but out of self-defense and that of his families.

Sadly this man may face a jail sentence because his gun was not registered. He had just moved from another state, and he was in the process of re-registering the weapon. If the day comes that the liberals ban weapons from this blessed country, thats the day I put them in my walls. Look at Britian, they banned weapons from private citizens, now the criminals and the police are the only gun tooting folk around. Last time I checked there were 10 times more criminals than police in Britian...and probaly more here.

I do not mind registering a gun, or waiting 5 days while they check my background...but if it goes any further than that crime will rise in the U.S. and innocent men, women, and CHILDREN wil suffer because of the lack of protection.

Taldren unban...this is foolishness. You get blasted for banning, you get blasted for not banning, you get blasted for everything...its obvious you will never make everyone happy. However, it is certain that the people you have banned do not care for your company at all due to your action against them. I'd rather have people supporting me as a new software company...than more people pissed.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TheSatyr on January 30, 2003, 12:10:46 pm

There is no free speech on a privately owned board. You all agreed to the terms of use when you joined this board. If you violate those terms of use then Taldren is well within their rights to ban you permanently. And complaining about it will get you no where.

Taldren puts up with more crap then alot of the boards that I check out. To get banned here you have to really screw up.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: 2_X_S on January 30, 2003, 12:27:48 pm

Quote:

There is no free speech on a privately owned board. You all agreed to the terms of use when you joined this board. If you violate those terms of use then Taldren is well within their rights to ban you permanently. And complaining about it will get you no where.

Taldren puts up with more crap then alot of the boards that I check out. To get banned here you have to really screw up.

I agree with that but i also think a second chance wouldnt be a bad thing. Theres quite some ppl asking to give them a second chance and one could think that they have a part within this community. As we all know, most things said in anger arnt really meant that way.

2x

(hmm ok my german is better than my english but i guess you get the point)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 30, 2003, 01:08:29 pm

Quote:

There is no free speech on a privately owned board. You all agreed to the terms of use when you joined this board. If you violate those terms of use then Taldren is well within their rights to ban you permanently. And complaining about it will get you no where. Taldren puts up with more crap then alot of the boards that I check out. To get banned here you have to really screw up.

Did they give you money to say this or are you just content to curry favor with those that find this ethical?

Yes it's thier nickle, but if you go to the off topic forums, there you will find posters saying it's cool to kill Jews and fly planes into building in the name of freedom and alla or what ever they call him, oddly these people do not get banned.

GOOD NIGHT! They voiced concerns about a game that they paid money for and have every right to say it and got banned.

Some have taken to post scripture of late, well I got one for those who banned these people.

John 8, verse 7 (NIV)
"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone"

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on January 30, 2003, 01:26:18 pm

Ok... my turn to take some heat.

I own sfc3. Haven't played it in two months, might after a patch, probably not. Just not a game I like all that much.

I have yet to see anyone who complains about the game get banned. As long as they do it right. For example:

Taldren, I find the lack of diversity in the heavy weapons of this game to lead to a very boring game. I also find the lack of exact data on how the weapons/shields/systems work to be very problematic in devising workable strategies within the game.

Now that is puts your points out there but attacks no one. However this:

Taldren is full of a bunch of no talented programmers. My Dead grandma sports less bugs than the piece of SH!T software this waste of a company produces. Dave smells of hamster vomit and Erik buggers little boys for Activision's viewing pleasure.

This does nothing but piss someone off. In what I have seen hundreds of people have posted like the first thread. A few post like the second thread. Some are in between. But lets face it folks. Taldren can just close the forum doors if they like. If they wish to allow those people back that is their perrogative. If you want them to let them back in you can ask nicely. But don't insult everyone's intelligence by making it sound like those who got banned did nothing to deserve it. They obviously did at some point (no matter how fed up they were) and they broke the rules.

Well, flame away if you like but I think Taldren has every right to ignore you (and me for that matter) if they wish. But perhaps if you wish you can get letters of apology from those in question and post them in their stead. A contrite apology normally goes a lot farther than a mob screaming foul play.

One Gorn's opinion.

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Tantalus on January 30, 2003, 01:35:21 pm

Has anyone else noticed that since Taldren's union with Activision their customer relations (both in forums and game) have dropped dramtically to what we used to have?

Just wondered.

About time Taldren admitted over reacting and reinstated these people. If not reinstate them, enforce the SAME rules in all forums. I remember some threads in the Off Topic forum that were both racist and outragious in their content. THAT was allowed to continue.

And to you Moderators.... I recall a post a while back by Taldren stating that they ... and I think I quote 'Would NEVER put any community member as a moderator'.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 02:00:51 pm

That's a good point, they have made less effort to be friendly with us for the last while.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TalonClaw on January 30, 2003, 02:26:20 pm

If you examine people's behavior in these forums, many have not exactly been nice to Taldren either. People tend to pick apart the game and demand perfection. Some scream that something is a bug when it clearly is not. They just wish it worked differently. Others are totally upset because the SFB based SFC did not continue into SFC3. Oh well too bad. And some are rightfully mad because of real bugs that have hampered play. But civility will get you a lot farther than insult.

IMO those who violated the rules: If you can't do the time then don't do the crime.

Or just log on with a new ID and be good.

Many people seriously act like school children on these forums. Taldren gave you a new forum. Dave even took time to put up Avatars. They have worked on a SFC3 and a OP patch while full force into a new game. Of course they are not going to come out on the forum and hold your hand every day.

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That's a good point, they have made less effort to be friendly with us for the last while.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 02:46:37 pm

See, if public perception is that they made a lousy game and even so far as ripped us off, then the smart thing for Taldren to do would be to sweeten up the Public Relations...because as you said you get a lot farther with honey than with disrespect.

However, the facts are: The recent model contest which should habe been a great PR boost ended in a nightmare, and is still an ongoing nightmare. It was handled very poorly and with not a lot of deft political maneuvering which they should have done to increase a positive image. One Taldrenite even called a long-time modeler a loser (in both the literal sense and the disrespectful sense).

Then there's the matter of killing the political dissidents. I guess it was their right but obviously it did not refelct well on a lot of us.

I can understand them....they are a bunch of computer geeks...hey, just like most of us. And sometimes people-relations can be confusing and tough.

I for one think that they need to hire a full-time PR person, probably a woman. Her job would be to represent Taldren here at the boards and just be really nice and win us over with sweet words rather than be silent and ban people left and right while still not delivering a working product. WOuldn't it be a lot better if they were to sweet talk us and still not deliver a working product? Hey at least we get warm fuzzy feelings along with a defective product.

A little honey could go a long ways, but do they have anybody on staff that can do that? They should consider it. Too much testosterone is not a good thing. Men are accustomed to issuing commands, not taking them. Women are used to taking [censored] and being nice, that's what nmakes them so good at PR.

Hey just a thought.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TalonClaw on January 30, 2003, 02:52:46 pm

That PR person would need a Salary. I doubt that fits in the budget.

I also don't feel like public perception is that we have been ripped off. I think you just have a bunch of nerdy people that want it their way.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 02:55:51 pm

But I dont see you arguing that they don't need one. "D

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TalonClaw on January 30, 2003, 03:00:26 pm

No I'm not arguing with you there. I just think it's not in the budget or they would have one like the Bigger gaming companies like Blizzard etc have.

Quote:

But I dont see you arguing that they don't need one. "D

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 03:13:15 pm

Quote:

I also don't feel like public perception is that we have been ripped off. I think you just have a bunch of nerdy people that want it their way.

TalonClaw buddy, you're a moderator but let the human being inside you come out for a sec and admit that the latest game is just a wee bit broken.

When you've screwed up, that's when you really need to look after the PR! Hey you just admitted they need to bump up the PR, so you must also be admitting to some extent that they have screwed up at least a wee bit.

Thta's good, because denial is what they are indulging themselves in right now. That's just not the way to go.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TalonClaw on January 30, 2003, 03:24:44 pm

Just about every game released these days is a we bit broken. That's what patches are for. Yeah I agree PR is a good tool.

The fact is, I can still play the game. Nothing keeps me from playing. The game is playable but does have some bugs. There is a patch being tested. Will it ever be totally perfect in everyone's eyes. No. That's not possible.

Quote:

Quote:

I also don't feel like public perception is that we have been ripped off. I think you just have a bunch of nerdy people that want it their way.

TalonClaw buddy, you're a moderator but let the human being inside you come out for a sec and admit that the latest game is just a wee bit broken.

When you've screwed up, that's when you really need to look after the PR! Hey you just admitted they need to bump up the PR, so you must also be admitting to some extent that they have screwed up at least a wee bit.

Thta's good, because denial is what they are indulging themselves in right now. That's just not the way to go.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on January 30, 2003, 03:31:02 pm

A PR person, probably a woman?

Good lord, maybe they should offer a topless picture of that person as well. The inference that one sex is better than the other at PR is absolutely nuts!!! When I look out at the people who have been banned I see all have them have "lost it" at some point.

I hear the cry thatTaldren no longer has any PR stuff going. Odd... I just recently got an update on Taldren's new project from the head guy himself. Wonder why? Oh yeah, I haven't called him a loser lately, and I have appreciative of all they have done. It also helps that a few of us have this fun little PR thing going FOR taldren. For those who haven't checked out the SETI project, you should.

I am sorry but to say Taldren hasn't been friendly lately is just a little insulting to those of us who have heard about their programmers sleeping on cots and showering at nearby homes. (I know guys that was our secret but I am tired of this crap) I challenge anyone here to show me a forum that has more interaction AND as much freedom as this one. They have given an off topic area, when many boards would just delete OT threads. They have given us peer moderators who are here to ensure that image posting and such are used correctly. All of this for the annual fee of NOTHING. But I am sure bandwidth is free for them. Well I guess I have said enough. I am off to go thank a wonderful company for giving me so much for less than $150 over 4 years.

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Tegestu on January 30, 2003, 03:38:07 pm

It amazes me how many people scream about their "Rights", yet take so little time in understanding them. Blitzkrieg posted quite well about the fallicy of "Free Speech". Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want, anywhere you want. Try yelling "Fire" in a movie theater. Try yelling "Bomb" or "Gun" on an airplane or in an airport.

What you have a right to is a different opinion. Don't like Taldren? That's fine. Don't like Activision? That's fine too. Don't like SFC3? The Programmers? Your dog? All fine. You can even SAY you don't like them. But, what you CAN'T do is go to THEIR house and blast them from end to end. Why? Because now you're violating THEIR rights.

So, someone said something that ticked someone else off. I'm pretty sure that I've ticked off a few people right now. Likely, they will do 1 of 3 things:

1: Ignore me and continue with this crusade - just as they have ignored Blitzkrieg, Raven, and TalonClaw (nicely written posts btw - little edgy on Raven's part, but effective).

2: Insult me and continue with this crusade - Just as one of these was insulted with insinuation that they were "Paid to post" (hope you can do better here, that was pretty weak. If your best counter-point is an insult, you have a pretty pathetic platform).

3: Stop and think.

Based on the track record of EVERY forum I've ever seen, these options are listed in their likely order.

For those of you who opt for #1 or #2, save it. I could personally care less. You affect my life as much as I have obviously affected yours - not at all.

For those who stop and think, advise your friends to let it rest for awhile. After a couple weeks (Months, years, whatever) have passed, advise those who were banned to PRIVATELY write letters of apology to the moderators, CC'ing those whom they directly offended (Some may need to shorten that list to allow their email account to process it - Send it to group heads if you must).

That will allow Taldren (And/or the Moderators) to cool off a bit. This constant badgering only keeps the offence fresh. The longer you hound them, and the harder you press, the LESS likely they will reconsider their position.

Think about it. If YOU banned someone and THEIR friends started screaming at YOU, what would you do? Compound that by having some say, "Admit your mistake and unban them". What message is being sent? If you unban, you lose. No one can ever get banned again because you caved in to pressure. Right or wrong, at this point you have NO ALTERNATIVE but to maintain the ban, or cede all power to the posters (inmates running the asylum).

So, let Taldren do what they must. The more you press, the more you FORCE them to dig in. Back off. They're good people at heart, I'm sure that time will heal all.

Tegestu

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 03:42:27 pm

Quote:

I hear the cry thatTaldren no longer has any PR stuff going. Odd... I just recently got an update on Taldren's new project from the head guy himself. Wonder why? Oh yeah, I haven't called him a loser lately, and I have appreciative of all they have done. It also helps that a few of us have this fun little PR thing going FOR taldren.

Good, GE-Raven, looks like you really made your way to the top!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on January 30, 2003, 03:44:03 pm

Taldren Admins,

I realize that business cost of keeping the Taldren 3 banned is negligible and you probably are not losing sleep that anyone in the SFC community will stop playing any SFC games in spite of whatever the protesters may post in this thread. However, the banned posters deserve a 2nd chance. Possibly, consider unbanning the one banned poster that committed the least offence to start and see how it goes?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 30, 2003, 03:59:35 pm

Quote:

The fact is, I can still play the game. Nothing keeps me from playing.

TalonClaw buddy, are you sure about that?

Then why does everybody's ships keep exploding?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 30, 2003, 04:13:04 pm

Quote:

IMO those who violated the rules: If you can't do the time then don't do the crime.

The "crime" as you put it was to voice an opinion, when you make a forum for those who buy your game to comment then you perhaps might expect to hear some comments that are less than high praise all the time.

Me? I like all their games and have brought all of them repeatedly for myself and to pass out as gifts. I do not expect much from a game except to have fun, and I have fun with all of them, BUGS and all. I have spent well over $500 on these games because they are good games, and when they offer me not just one but multiple forums to make comments in then I feel they have given me the right to do so. Therefore if I make a "bad" comment about something should I expect to be banned as well? Or since they have given me the forums to comment in are they not saying "lay it out" so we can make a better game next time, or can we make your current game better. So why would you ban anyone for saying what they think about your game, since you gave them the place to do it in?

Let this issue pass, and un-ban these guys.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Hertston on January 30, 2003, 04:28:46 pm

Quote:

There is no free speech on a privately owned board. You all agreed to the terms of use when you joined this board. If you violate those terms of use then Taldren is well within their rights to ban you permanently. And complaining about it will get you no where.

Quite true. It must be.. someone always posts something virtually identical on every board I've ever visited when this subject comes up

That said, whatever the "terms of use", there's no harm in giving these folks another chance, particularly if a full apology has been given. Being "within your rights" is no excuse for not doing the "right thing". I'd agree Taldren are pretty lenient though... I remember I really let rip at them over the Euro SFC2 fiasco, and that did'nt seem to trouble them unduly.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 30, 2003, 04:29:14 pm

I wish Taldren would tell us if they were re-banned because of something else they did since the new forums were put in place, or because they were correcting an error that caused them to be able to come back during the switch.

If it was something new, what was it?

I think we could at least use some info.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on January 30, 2003, 07:10:57 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on January 30, 2003, 08:12:58 pm

Quote:

Ok... my turn to take some heat.

I own sfc3. Haven't played it in two months, might after a patch, probably not. Just not a game I like all that much.

I have yet to see anyone who complains about the game get banned. As long as they do it right. For example:

Taldren, I find the lack of diversity in the heavy weapons of this game to lead to a very boring game. I also find the lack of exact data on how the weapons/shields/systems work to be very problematic in devising workable strategies within the game.

Now that is puts your points out there but attacks no one. However this:

Taldren is full of a bunch of no talented programmers. My Dead grandma sports less bugs than the piece of SH!T software this waste of a company produces. Dave smells of hamster vomit and Erik buggers little boys for Activision's viewing pleasure.

This does nothing but piss someone off. In what I have seen hundreds of people have posted like the first thread. A few post like the second thread. Some are in between. But lets face it folks. Taldren can just close the forum doors if they like. If they wish to allow those people back that is their perrogative. If you want them to let them back in you can ask nicely. But don't insult everyone's intelligence by making it sound like those who got banned did nothing to deserve it. They obviously did at some point (no matter how fed up they were) and they broke the rules.

Well, flame away if you like but I think Taldren has every right to ignore you (and me for that matter) if they wish. But perhaps if you wish you can get letters of apology from those in question and post them in their stead. A contrite apology normally goes a lot farther than a mob screaming foul play.

One Gorn's opinion.

GE-Raven

Raven max did email an apology he never got a reply back
Yes they were out of line but so are many many others take arab man look at what he has posted and got away with
Whats worst posting raceist remarks or putting down a game
Its taldrens fourm and so are the only ones with any rights here and have every right to ban who ever they wish
and if they wish to ignore us so be it
But we will keep posting (till they ban us)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on January 30, 2003, 08:57:03 pm

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I wonder if this has anything to do with

"He who shall not be named"

being promoted to

"He who should not have been named a moderator"

The world wonders....

jd

This is un-called for, Nanner had NOTHING to do with this. Do the community a favor and delete your post.

Hooch

Well Hooch, I see that button still works...

I reserve the right to question Taldrens judgement on issues, as long as I do it within some arcane parameters that noone seems to be able to provide.

The person you mentenioned HAS played a key role in similar situations in the past.

The re-bannings occured right after they announced the new moderators.

The fact that they were announced as moderators very likely had nothing to do with it. TostyO? posted that as admins they did not have the ability to ban someone. I have no reason to doubt him.

Here's my challange to you. Get the person you named to post in one of these threads supporting re-instating these 3 and I will delete my post.

With the support these three are getting it should not be that hard for a reasonable person to do, right?

I won't hold my breath.

I will challange all the mods to support the un-bannings. They must have some pull with taldren or they would not be moderators, right?

thanks,

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on January 30, 2003, 09:06:17 pm

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The only point of banning people is to not let them defend their pont of view. That being said, their transgressions (whatever they were) were on the other boards and Die Hard and Kai Lae were behaving themselves. I have NO FREAKING CLUE what Kai Lae might have done to piss off the Taldrenites, and Die Hard... ummm... well he seemed a bit edgy to me, but that alone is no reason to permanently ban someone. I mean, the image tag is back for pete's sakes, so I guess y'all have forgiven the porn-poster!

To back off the tangent a bit... Why are they banned? I mean, Likkerpig REALLY REALLY didn't seem the sort to be banned, and I was wondering why I hadn't seen him on in a while.

<and my Romulan side wonders if this post will get myself banned>

Maxillius,

You really missed the thread that got likkerpig banned. He was mad and well, he really went over the top. I thought he was trying to get banned. I talked to him later and he wanted to get back in. He has also been banned for longer than die hard and max put togather.

I support letting these 3 back in.

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Brad Bowermaster on January 30, 2003, 09:46:25 pm

[quoteThe fact that they were announced as moderators very likely had nothing to do with it.

Just to clear something up, the moderators were selected based on the fact that they are beta testers. Since they are bound by an NDA, Taldren knows they are trustworthy based on almost a year (some more than a year) of there participation in testing and their ability to keep information secret. Their main purpose is to make sure no more porn is posted, as that is what got the image tags taken away in the first place. There is some debate as to whether they are actually allowed to edit posts, but that's another topic.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on January 30, 2003, 09:47:11 pm

Live from a place where the banned can speak:

http://bozobits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10694#10694

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on January 30, 2003, 09:59:43 pm

Your point is taken, however if you where to not make a broad stroke statement I would not bother to respond. You have no reason to call Nanner into question here. The odd thing is he has laid rather low considering the time the game has been out. He has only chosen to remark on game related issues and far as I have seen.

I am not a Nanner hot button, or cheer leader for that matter. I only want my friends and fellow gamers un-banned that is all. It is most likely Ferrell's call and his alone. To bring Nanner into this is just plain silly and not worthy of discussion.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Teck on January 30, 2003, 11:51:54 pm

Quote:

Live from a place where the banned can speak:

http://bozobits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10694#10694

Well, from Die Hard's reply to that thread, it looks like he has learned absolutely nothing from his vacation. What a class act

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Maxillius on January 31, 2003, 12:34:43 am

hmm... Die Hard's reply was a smidge over the top, but I think I might be too if I got banned for voicing my opinion when others can voice theirs on killing jews and plane-ramming buildings and get away with it. IF this were a democracy, I'd say post links to the offending posts and let the forum members vote on the action to be taken (hell, do it anyway, I'm curious!). But, as we are in the People's Republic of Taldren, it's their board. I come here by choice, and I know their rules, though I haven't actually seen nor read them. Therefore, if I want to piss off a programmer, it's my choice, but I do so knowing full well I may be banned the next day (or sooner). Sometimes I forget how good these forums really are (no I wasn't paid off). The last time I was a forum member of somethign remotely as free as this, they shut themselves down due to lack of money. My point? The next time you see me bitching about so and so getting banned it'll be Sub-Commander Accersitus arguing on my behalf

lol... Seriously, I'm signing off this futile task.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on January 31, 2003, 02:10:11 am

A good morning bump from the U.K.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on January 31, 2003, 06:40:37 am

And a good morning comment, too. It's snowed here, no-one made it into work, so I can post in peace...

I must say that this little stunt of Taldren's has certainly backfired. Were they trying to keep personal attacks on themselves? Were they trying to keep attention focussed on SFC? Whatever the motive, banning the Taldren Three (or now Four?) certainly hasn't been the best handled effort Taldren have done.

The fact is that, whilst these guys' collective manner was wrong, their core matter was largely correct. SFC is a brilliant, brilliant gaming idea. But what have Taldren done with that idea? SFC1 was playable out of the box, but SFC2 was a complete shambles. Who remembers the increasing interminable delays, or the cloaking farce? Yes, it was corrected in patches, but it was completely unplayable off the shelf.

With SFC 3, I don't think that Taldren have really learned their lesson. the game doesn't work right... I've yet to finish the Romulan or federation SP campaigns, because the game hangs in the middle of loading certain missions. Ships explode. There's a power drain bug. There are ghost enemies that don't exist that you cannot defeat because they are not there, so you have no choice but to forfeit and lose prestige. It's not as bad as EAW, but let's be honest, it's not a lot better.

Waiting for the patch, I've been playing a couple of Activision's releases, Soldier of Fortune 2 and Voyager Elite Force. Unpatched, these games are brilliant. I downloaded the patches for them, and in playing terms, they are minor tweaks, at best. Nothing like the substantial fixing that appears to be required for SFC 3. Which leads me to wonder what Activision really think of Taldren. Professional workers getting a workable game out on schedule, or amateurs getting a shambles out and hoping that patches can fix it? It's a democracy, so you guys decide.

Now, Taldren has compounded their failings by withdrawing almost completely from commenting on the Forums. I remember when SFC 2 came out, that Erik and Dave were posting in the forum all the time explaining what they were doing to try to get things right. I was impressed by how honest they were, and how hard they were obviously working to get things straight. They were talking about patches after the patches, and what would get fixed when... Excellent PR stuff.

And now what? I've posted complaining about certain bugs many times, offering to send my savegames in, even offering to be a beta tester when Taldren recently asked for them. What did I get in response? Nothing, nada, jack s**t, not even a postcard from the delta quadrant. What's up with that? Have they been replaced by imposters put in place by the Dominion? It sure seems that way.

I wanted the Taldren of old to succeed in making SFC2 the cracking game that it turned out to be. Now, I am starting to hope that the Taldren of today will go bust, and from the ashes a bunch of programmers will arise that will get SFC 4 out that will be everything that SFC 3 should have been. I'm really not seeing that Taldren care about the game the way they used to. Their PR efforts have really gone up the spout. What happened, guys? The cone of silence is supposed to be from Maxwell Smart, not the Enterprise.

They can ban me for saying this, but it's my honest opinion. And I think a lot of other people that have all three games sitting on their shelves would at least accept my point.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on January 31, 2003, 07:44:04 am

Quote:

I only want my friends and fellow gamers un-banned that is all. It is most likely Ferrell's call and his alone. To bring Nanner into this is just plain silly and not worthy of discussion.

Hooch

Hooch,

Please understand my position, having been banned once. My experience is sometimes the only way to seperate the two people you mentioned in your post with respect to banning is with a CROWBAR.

There seems to be a double standard in banning. History has proven that some people have better access to the powers that be. So the best way to get these people unbanned is to get the people with the pull working on it.

If they don't want these people unbanned, I think that as people with power, they should stand up and tell us why. Especially in the face of the ammount of support generated by the community.

Thanks,

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 31, 2003, 08:01:49 am

Quote:

If they don't want these people unbanned, I think that as people with power, they should stand up and tell us why. Especially in the face of the ammount of support generated by the community.

I agree. They explained why they were previously banned, but haven't given any info now.

We don't know if they haven't been forgiven originally, or if they did something new.

With 70 replys, they would have to have noticed this thread.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aldaron on January 31, 2003, 08:10:05 am

Quote:

hmm... Die Hard's reply was a smidge over the top, but I think I might be too if I got banned for voicing my opinion when others can voice theirs on killing jews and plane-ramming buildings and get away with it. IF this were a democracy, I'd say post links to the offending posts and let the forum members vote on the action to be taken (hell, do it anyway, I'm curious!). But, as we are in the People's Republic of Taldren, it's their board. I come here by choice, and I know their rules, though I haven't actually seen nor read them. Therefore, if I want to piss off a programmer, it's my choice, but I do so knowing full well I may be banned the next day (or sooner). Sometimes I forget how good these forums really are (no I wasn't paid off). The last time I was a forum member of somethign remotely as free as this, they shut themselves down due to lack of money. My point? The next time you see me bitching about so and so getting banned it'll be Sub-Commander Accersitus arguing on my behalf lol... Seriously, I'm signing off this futile task.

First all the people in question were banned for making personal attacks against individuals or companies and not providing any worthwhile posts, they were just bitching with no constructive critism and being rude.

As for the jew-killing comments, those are no worse than the nuke the Mid-East comments, etc.....those aren't personal attacks just opinions. If they offend you then don't read them and don't reply. Too many people bring grief upon themselves because they don't restrain themselves. If Taldren were to ban people for these types of comments there would be no-one left on the boards.

As for Taldren not posting on the forums lately, they are very busy with several projects...mostly their new game they are working on. They don't have time to post.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on January 31, 2003, 08:43:57 am

Yes, but they had time to post aplenty when the SFC 2 CDs were as much use as a pair of hoop earrings. Aldaron, you've been here longer than I have, you should remember when Dave and Erik would constantly be telling us all what the status of the patch was, what bugs were going to be fixed first, what was going to be fixed next, and so on. It was simple stuff, but so effective.

I remember one ROm player going ballistic after a patch because he could cloak, but had lost the cloaking sound effect. Almost straightaway, I think Erik told him that they had to do this to allow the cloaking function to work, and that it would be fixed in the next patch. And it was. These days, what do we get? Very, very few responses. It's not hard, it doesn't take much time, and it certainly doesn't hurt how people feel about you.

As for being too busy on new projects these days, come on... A prime law of American business is that you serve your customers, and serve them well. American business turned customer service into an art form, but Taldren are turning it into a dog's breakfast. Ignoring ardent fans today for the sake of possible ones tomorrow is dangerous territory, and many a company has gone out of business through damaging their corporate reputation this way.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on January 31, 2003, 08:52:24 am

I also think that there is one important difference between the banned people who lashed out against the company and those who think Jews should all be killed (Again I would ban both). The likes of Arabman sticks to the OT forum. The rules there have always been more lax. I think there is less moderation there, as there should be as it has nothing to do with Taldren. However the on topic area of the forum has had lots of threads that are asking for things to be changed, fixed, revisted, etc... However, in each of the cases where some one was banned they broke from constructive criticism to the "Taldren Sucks" arguement.

Not a very effective way to get change. You attack a company and they will circle their wagons. You offer ideas and they "might" be evaluated and possibly incorporated in to the game. As far as earlier insinuations that "I have made it to the top". Get real, if you had decided to do something for the company (albeit nothing more than a gesture) as opposed to complain endlessly about how you were ripped off (my copy of SFC 3 seems to work quite well even though I am non to fond of the game) you might have had a little better response.

I also notice an extreme double standard by some who would call for the banning of DD who has made several mistakes but has apologized most every time. He has been banned, rightfully so, and has been banned several times. Perhaps you could take the sage words of wisdom offered to him and send them you those who "need to be freed"

Make a new callsign
Don't let on you were ever banned
Don't screw up again

TA DA!!!! You political prisoners are now free to post with impunity on the board. This assumes that their IP range wasn't blocked but I haven't heard of that measure being taken by against any that haven't tried hacking (and that was years ago).

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Hale on January 31, 2003, 09:25:06 am

Quote:

And a good morning comment, too. It's snowed here, no-one made it into work, so I can post in peace...

I must say that this little stunt of Taldren's has certainly backfired. Were they trying to keep personal attacks on themselves? Were they trying to keep attention focussed on SFC? Whatever the motive, banning the Taldren Three (or now Four?) certainly hasn't been the best handled effort Taldren have done.

The fact is that, whilst these guys' collective manner was wrong, their core matter was largely correct. SFC is a brilliant, brilliant gaming idea. But what have Taldren done with that idea? SFC1 was playable out of the box, but SFC2 was a complete shambles. Who remembers the increasing interminable delays, or the cloaking farce? Yes, it was corrected in patches, but it was completely unplayable off the shelf.

With SFC 3, I don't think that Taldren have really learned their lesson. the game doesn't work right... I've yet to finish the Romulan or federation SP campaigns, because the game hangs in the middle of loading certain missions. Ships explode. There's a power drain bug. There are ghost enemies that don't exist that you cannot defeat because they are not there, so you have no choice but to forfeit and lose prestige. It's not as bad as EAW, but let's be honest, it's not a lot better.

Waiting for the patch, I've been playing a couple of Activision's releases, Soldier of Fortune 2 and Voyager Elite Force. Unpatched, these games are brilliant. I downloaded the patches for them, and in playing terms, they are minor tweaks, at best. Nothing like the substantial fixing that appears to be required for SFC 3. Which leads me to wonder what Activision really think of Taldren. Professional workers getting a workable game out on schedule, or amateurs getting a shambles out and hoping that patches can fix it? It's a democracy, so you guys decide.

Now, Taldren has compounded their failings by withdrawing almost completely from commenting on the Forums. I remember when SFC 2 came out, that Erik and Dave were posting in the forum all the time explaining what they were doing to try to get things right. I was impressed by how honest they were, and how hard they were obviously working to get things straight. They were talking about patches after the patches, and what would get fixed when... Excellent PR stuff.

And now what? I've posted complaining about certain bugs many times, offering to send my savegames in, even offering to be a beta tester when Taldren recently asked for them. What did I get in response? Nothing, nada, jack s**t, not even a postcard from the delta quadrant. What's up with that? Have they been replaced by imposters put in place by the Dominion? It sure seems that way.

I wanted the Taldren of old to succeed in making SFC2 the cracking game that it turned out to be. Now, I am starting to hope that the Taldren of today will go bust, and from the ashes a bunch of programmers will arise that will get SFC 4 out that will be everything that SFC 3 should have been. I'm really not seeing that Taldren care about the game the way they used to. Their PR efforts have really gone up the spout. What happened, guys? The cone of silence is supposed to be from Maxwell Smart, not the Enterprise.

They can ban me for saying this, but it's my honest opinion. And I think a lot of other people that have all three games sitting on their shelves would at least accept my point.

I agree 100%. If you ban him, ban me too!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: tagos on January 31, 2003, 10:02:07 am

Just my 2 pence worth but if companies release products with so many blatant, unfixed bugs they should be prepared to suck it up from people who have paid a lot of money for a faulty product.

How long has SFC3 been out? Is there a patch yet?

Me, I'm simply not going to buy another Activision/Taldren product, having been burned one to many times.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aldaron on January 31, 2003, 10:06:52 am

Quote:

Just my 2 pence worth but if companies release products with so many blatant, unfixed bugs they should be prepared to suck it up from people who have paid a lot of money for a faulty product.

How long has SFC3 been out? Is there a patch yet?

Me, I'm simply not going to buy another Activision/Taldren product, having been burned one to many times.

No one is debating that. What is in contention is how you go about complaining about it. Be a jerk and just say so and so sucks, etc is the wrong way. Politely bring up your gripes and you'll have no problems about getting banned. Simple.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on January 31, 2003, 11:01:33 am

Quote:

Just my 2 pence worth but if companies release products with so many blatant, unfixed bugs they should be prepared to suck it up from people who have paid a lot of money for a faulty product.

How long has SFC3 been out? Is there a patch yet?

Me, I'm simply not going to buy another Activision/Taldren product, having been burned one to many times.

LOL, if flaming the perceived inept worked then the televised Presidential debates would be full of vulgar language. Of course, everyone knows that the way to political suicide is using vulgar language cuz it offends way too many voters.

Same general principles apply in business, ya think?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on January 31, 2003, 11:08:18 am

Quote:

I also think that there is one important difference between the banned people who lashed out against the company and those who think Jews should all be killed (Again I would ban both). The likes of Arabman sticks to the OT forum. The rules there have always been more lax. I think there is less moderation there, as there should be as it has nothing to do with Taldren. However the on topic area of the forum has had lots of threads that are asking for things to be changed, fixed, revisted, etc... However, in each of the cases where some one was banned they broke from constructive criticism to the "Taldren Sucks" arguement.

That is what happened, but is a permenant banning for a few comments fair?

Quote:

Not a very effective way to get change. You attack a company and they will circle their wagons. You offer ideas and they "might" be evaluated and possibly incorporated in to the game. As far as earlier insinuations that "I have made it to the top". Get real, if you had decided to do something for the company (albeit nothing more than a gesture) as opposed to complain endlessly about how you were ripped off (my copy of SFC 3 seems to work quite well even though I am non to fond of the game) you might have had a little better response.

I also notice an extreme double standard by some who would call for the banning of DD who has made several mistakes but has apologized most every time. He has been banned, rightfully so, and has been banned several times. Perhaps you could take the sage words of wisdom offered to him and send them you those who "need to be freed"

I like Don, and wish he could stay on these boards, but I'm not that hopeful that he will be allowed to post in peace anymore.

Quote:

Make a new callsign
Don't let on you were ever banned
Don't screw up again

TA DA!!!! You political prisoners are now free to post with impunity on the board. This assumes that their IP range wasn't blocked but I haven't heard of that measure being taken by against any that haven't tried hacking (and that was years ago).

But Max won't do this. He has said many times that he doesn't think its right to.

Die Hard might because that's what he did when he was banned before the forum move, but I'm sure he would much rather be reinstated. And I'don't think he woul'd keep a low profile because of how well known he is on the D2 forums.

Did either of them screw up since the move to the new board?
They are probably still being punished for their original comments (which were personal attacks against Taldren that were made out of anger, both people have appoligized for those statements)

Likkerpig might still be doing exactly what you suggest, but I think he would rather be un-banned.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on January 31, 2003, 11:26:34 am

Alidar, it really doesn't matter what I think is "fair". Not my board. If you are asking my opinion, I am pretty good about second chances. But yes I do think it is fair that they have been banned, and are still banned. If their is an amnesty declared on all of the banned members that is taldren's choice. However, there has been a direct statement to one who was banned on how they could continue to post here. It involved my above limitations. I find them not only lenient but down right benevolent. Basically don't point out that you are one who was banned, if some one guesses, not really your fault. I would just say neither confirm or deny who you "really" are and you are fine. Also, don't screw up again, be happy with your second chance. If you are holding out for your old name, don't. It seems obvious to me that the unbanning of the callsign isn't going to happen. If you have some sort of moral objection to creating a new name, I am very sorry, please don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

Again, 99% of all the posters seem to have no problem with the guidlines laid down. I think if you have a shred of common-sense you will be fine here. Yes people lose their tempers, but I can't help but notice that apologies have almost always come AFTER one has been banned. I normally know when I am giong over the line and apologize immediately. I don't think that is too much to ask. But, better yet, don't post angry!!!

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Fornax on January 31, 2003, 02:39:11 pm

Quote:

Your point is taken, however if you where to not make a broad stroke statement I would not bother to respond. You have no reason to call Nanner into question here. The odd thing is he has laid rather low considering the time the game has been out. He has only chosen to remark on game related issues and far as I have seen.

I am not a Nanner hot button, or cheer leader for that matter. I only want my friends and fellow gamers un-banned that is all. It is most likely Ferrell's call and his alone. To bring Nanner into this is just plain silly and not worthy of discussion.

Hooch

You're absolutely right - Paul/Nanner should never had had his name brought up. I've always reserved the right to disagree with him, but when it gets stupid...I draw the line.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Atrahasis on January 31, 2003, 06:31:35 pm

Quote:

I also notice an extreme double standard by some who would call for the banning of DD who has made several mistakes but has apologized most every time. He has been banned, rightfully so, and has been banned several times. Perhaps you could take the sage words of wisdom offered to him and send them you those who "need to be freed"

Don was a different beast altogether. He got banned with prejudice because he was stupid enough to bug Erik so many times both in the forum and in private emails, and the last time he tried to vehemently bad-mouth Dave Ferrell to Erik. Moreover his tirades had nothing to do with game development or SFC, he just liked to cuss people out.

A bit of a difference between him and what the people we're trying to get reinstated did.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 01, 2003, 12:01:06 pm

Bump, I will not let this die. If you thought the post for J'inn was a bore, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Blitzkrieg on February 01, 2003, 12:25:24 pm

LOL PLEASE SOMEONE LET THEM BACK IN - give them another chance so this topic can die. Lets face it, it wouldnt be hard to ban them again if need be.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 01, 2003, 12:55:03 pm

Quote:

LOL PLEASE SOMEONE LET THEM BACK IN - give them another chance so this topic can die. Lets face it, it wouldnt be hard to ban them again if need be.

I agree with blitzkrieg give them a second chance to be fair how many of us have given taldren a second chance I know I have

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Blitzkrieg on February 01, 2003, 03:29:53 pm

Thats actually a good analagy in some respects, maybe they will get let back in when the patch arrives?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 01, 2003, 06:11:39 pm

Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 01, 2003, 11:50:35 pm

Come on Taldren let them in or tell or tell us why they are still baned

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: RJHJ on February 02, 2003, 03:37:26 am

Bump to the top.

Let them in. Banning them forever is childish and stupid.

RJHJ

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 02, 2003, 06:03:23 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 02, 2003, 06:50:14 am

Quote:

Bump, I will not let this die. If you thought the post for J'inn was a bore, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Hooch

Amen Brother Hooch Preach on!!!!

Title: Lets see here, what are the posted rules
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 02, 2003, 09:46:25 am

Quote:

Registration as a User implies acceptance of the following terms and conditions:

1. Participants shall not post any material likely to cause offence, that is protected by copyright, trademark or other proprietary right - without the express permission of the owner of such copyright - or that contains personal phone numbers or addresses.

2. Participants may not use the Forums to post or transmit advertisements or commercial solicitations of any kind.

3. The appropriate Forum Moderator has the right to edit, censor, delete or otherwise modify any posted message.

4. This web site does not verify or guarantee the accuracy of the material posted to the Forums or bear any responsibility for any loss, damage, or other liabilities caused by any posted message.

Now lets see what rules have been broken:

#1 Hmmm, guess many more need to be banned, including myself. I know of very few that have not offended at least one other person and since it says "likely" to offend which is a very subjective call then Taldren needs to get on with banning most of us.

#2 Better ban anyone who has advocated for their fleet or server or even suggested that they buy the games offered by this company or Activison since that constitues commercial solicitations.

#4 Standard "legal woohaa" so when Arabman calls for killing none islamic people that they are not sued for allowing it to remain posted. But let somebody complain about the game and even say that they should have done better, you will get banned.

Taldren, I dig both games. Heck I just bought another copy of III to give to a fleetmate. Thats makes three so far. I have brought many copies of II as gifts. I put my money where my mouth is.

What do I think... really, I think you are just being down right mean here. You could care less about me or my money or any good will that many of us have about your games. You have chosen to say "Tough nuggies you all, we ban who we wish, when we wish as we wish and you have nada to say about it".

How very sad.

I will never let this thread die, never. Ban me and another will step up. Why not just end this silly thing now.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 02, 2003, 11:15:13 am

Another bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 02, 2003, 01:44:34 pm

Bump.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 02, 2003, 05:23:44 pm

Bump

Because its people that make this game what it is, regardless of the bugs.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 02, 2003, 08:51:21 pm

Quote:

Bump

Because its people that make this game what it is, regardless of the bugs.

Amen

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 03, 2003, 01:52:30 am

Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 03, 2003, 06:13:29 am

come on powers that be let them back in

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: C-Los on February 03, 2003, 06:59:33 am

Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 03, 2003, 09:08:58 am

Quote:

come on powers that be let them back in

bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 03, 2003, 11:03:10 am

It's the end of the day in sunny London, but I couldn't log off without seeing your bump, and raising this embarrassing little episode for taldren back to the top of the posts.

We should run a book on the likelihood of Taldren staff actually replying to this thread. Does 25:1 sound reasonable?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 03, 2003, 01:18:52 pm

Quote:

It's the end of the day in sunny London, but I couldn't log off without seeing your bump, and raising this embarrassing little episode for taldren back to the top of the posts.

We should run a book on the likelihood of Taldren staff actually replying to this thread. Does 25:1 sound reasonable?

Honestly, a million to one is far closer. But, that does not matter really does it? I can be just a subborn as they are. I have been at it longer.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 03, 2003, 09:22:45 pm

BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 04, 2003, 12:05:49 am

Bump Bump Thump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 04, 2003, 04:06:31 am

I see your bump and raise you BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 04, 2003, 10:30:13 am

A friendly good afternoon bump from the Delta quadrant...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 04, 2003, 10:48:53 am

Found this old pic and thought it applies

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 11:03:27 am

bumping

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 04, 2003, 01:25:12 pm

Bump once again.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DarkMaster on February 04, 2003, 01:32:50 pm

Guys, these people behaved horribly towards Taldren staff. People in general had been warned that Taldren wasn't going to tolerate that sort of thing on their boards--and still they continued. These boards are the "Taldren boards". It's Taldren's playground. These people knew what the rules were. They knew what the consequences could be. They got what they deserved, sorry.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 03:31:35 pm

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Guys, these people behaved horribly towards Taldren staff. People in general had been warned that Taldren wasn't going to tolerate that sort of thing on their boards--and still they continued. These boards are the "Taldren boards". It's Taldren's playground. These people knew what the rules were. They knew what the consequences could be. They got what they deserved, sorry.

I don't know you, perhaps you are new. Many of us have been here for three and a half years closer to four. Belive me, these guys may play rough from time to time but do not deserve this. Look into thier rules that I posted in an earlier poet here. Lift the blinders off your eyes and see what has been said and then take an informed postion.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on February 04, 2003, 04:13:34 pm

Hmm I hold a similiar position Hooch. I see that I have been here (assuming this is your only name here) not quite 2 years longer than you. I guess I am not qualified to have an opinion either

.

Fact 1 - They screwed up

Fact 2 - I have never once seen any statement that re-instatement was ever an option for anyone. Taldren has never said that you CAN be re-instated (yes I know it is possible) so they obviously are not willing to do this. That IS their perrogative.

Fact 3 - Nothing is stopping them from posting with a new name.

Fact - Ok not a fact, but, If I were Taldren I sure and Heck would not unban anyone because a few (yes few less than 10 seem to have not let this go) people won't let it drop. For if I did it sends a message that the rules only apply to those who aren't willing to apologize and/or don't have a bunch of friends look out for them.

They are banned. So what?!? Tell them to play nice, grab a new name, and join in the fun. Or you can just keep on screaming and waste valuable bandwidth.

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 04, 2003, 04:36:45 pm

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Hmm I hold a similiar position Hooch. I see that I have been here (assuming this is your only name here) not quite 2 years longer than you. I guess I am not qualified to have an opinion either .

Fact 1 - They screwed up

Fact 2 - I have never once seen any statement that re-instatement was ever an option for anyone. Taldren has never said that you CAN be re-instated (yes I know it is possible) so they obviously are not willing to do this. That IS their perrogative.

Fact 3 - Nothing is stopping them from posting with a new name.

Fact - Ok not a fact, but, If I were Taldren I sure and Heck would not unban anyone because a few (yes few less than 10 seem to have not let this go) people won't let it drop. For if I did it sends a message that the rules only apply to those who aren't willing to apologize and/or don't have a bunch of friends look out for them.

They are banned. So what?!? Tell them to play nice, grab a new name, and join in the fun. Or you can just keep on screaming and waste valuable bandwidth.

GE-Raven

They were posting for a week or two before they were re-banned. They had kept what they said under control and avoided the flame-fests at all costs. Now, they're banned again. Why?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 04, 2003, 05:12:03 pm

The thing that bugs me the most is that Taldren won't respond.

When they were originally banned, a reason was given.

No reason was given this time.

Even if the reason given is that they were never supposed to be allowed back in the first place.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on February 04, 2003, 07:44:29 pm

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They were posting for a week or two before they were re-banned. They had kept what they said under control and avoided the flame-fests at all costs. Now, they're banned again. Why?

The world may never know. Or... it may because it took that long to get the banning re-instated on the new forums. Or not... I guess I don't really worry about it. I figure if I am a guest in someones house and paying nothing for the privledge I am just happy to follow the rules and I will leave "housekeeping" to the owners. Taldren "owes" me nothing. I may ask a question, but they need not answer if they don't feel they need to. Of course I have only asked a few questions and all of them have been answered sooner or later.

Hmmmm... Maybe it is how I asked them. Well I will give you my secret.

I ask once in public if it is a topic suitable for public.

I ask via a private e-mail if I feel that it may be an embarassment for Taldren (if someone does make a mistake it is always "nice" to let them resolve it in private) or if I think the topic of the question is not suitable for the general boards.

There it is... that is how I have gotten my satisfaction.

Oh one more thing. I always start by telling them thank you for all the free stuff (board, SETI group, extras for the game) and asking politely.

I suppose it is too late for many to try that on this subject. But, give it a try on your next question. See how well you do.

GE-Raven

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 04, 2003, 09:28:08 pm

J'inn,

I loved that.

Raven,

There quite a few people asking for this.

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: TheSatyr on February 04, 2003, 09:35:55 pm

It's quite simple...Taldren made their decision and there isn't anything left to discuss.

You can go on about it till you are blue in the face but it won't make the tiniest bit of difference.

They do not have to justify their reasons for banning anyone to you or to us moderators for that matter.

Last I heard,this was a privately owned board and not a democracy.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 09:41:56 pm

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Taldren "owes" me nothing.

Really, so when you get a broken (pardon me two) games and ask, and ask, and ask and get no answer then your still ok with that...right? Like I ask before, are you getting paid for this?

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 09:43:23 pm

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It's quite simple...Taldren made their decision and there isn't anything left to discuss.

You can go on about it till you are blue in the face but it won't make the tiniest bit of difference.

They do not have to justify their reasons for banning anyone to you or to us moderators for that matter.

Last I heard,this was a privately owned board and not a democracy.

Then blue is what I will be. Don't like my thread? Please feel free to read another one.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 09:53:33 pm

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Hmm I hold a similiar position Hooch. I see that I have been here (assuming this is your only name here) not quite 2 years longer than you. I guess I am not qualified to have an opinion either .

Fact 1 - They screwed up

Fact 2 - I have never once seen any statement that re-instatement was ever an option for anyone. Taldren has never said that you CAN be re-instated (yes I know it is possible) so they obviously are not willing to do this. That IS their perrogative.

Fact 3 - Nothing is stopping them from posting with a new name.

Fact - Ok not a fact, but, If I were Taldren I sure and Heck would not unban anyone because a few (yes few less than 10 seem to have not let this go) people won't let it drop. For if I did it sends a message that the rules only apply to those who aren't willing to apologize and/or don't have a bunch of friends look out for them.

They are banned. So what?!? Tell them to play nice, grab a new name, and join in the fun. Or you can just keep on screaming and waste valuable bandwidth.

GE-Raven

Sorry, one of the principles on this board likes scripture, well I went to a Bible College as well. Here is one for you.

"How many times shall I forgive a man Lord, seven times? I say to you seventy times seven..."

One more for the road

"No greater love hath a man that he should lay down his life for his friends"

Well bud...these are my friends. So if you don't like my posts then don't read'em, it is a public board YOU are free to do as you wish.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 09:56:06 pm

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It seems y'all are being ignored. Especially since this thread has become large enough to be painfully obvious. This is great news in an odd way. SFC3 must be selling well (I honestly assume that it is); and Taldren must be raking in the dough and very very busy with their next game.

If I send I gripe-o-gram to General Motors over some minor issue, they ignore me. They're big time and heck one little old customer isn't that big a deal to them. You have to understand that a really big company just cannot jusitify the cost of having an employee respond to every little issue. Only the small companies that are trying to grow really need to repsond to minor complaints as well as major. The small companies need every single loyal customer they can get. Even if, at times, they have to deal with petty annoyances to kept their customer base happy. They just can't afford to let even a few customers get a sour taste in their mouth.

But the big boys? Heck they have to look at the bigger picture at all times. Can't get boged down on petty stuff like this.

So I kinda understand why Taldren just doesn't have time to post a brief note responding to the customers questions on this issue. Don't flame me for saying this. It's just the economics of big business. Glad to see Taldren is moving into the big leagues already. Yes, this is good news indeed!

J'inn, man I love ya! (well in a manly kind of way...you understand...i hope)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aldaron on February 04, 2003, 09:57:23 pm

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Taldren "owes" me nothing.

Really, so when you get a broken (pardon me two) games and ask, and ask, and ask and get no answer then your still ok with that...right? Like I ask before, are you getting paid for this?

Hooch

Well I have no idea what Taldren's contract with Activision says as far as patching goes but for SFC2/OP after about 3 patches they were no longer under any obligation to do patches since Interplay no longer officially supported them , so everything after that was on their own time and they didn't get paid for any of it. IOW no they do not "owe" you anything, they chose to continue to support thier game because that is what they believed in.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aldaron on February 04, 2003, 09:59:42 pm

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Sorry, one of the principles on this board likes scripture, well I went to a Bible College as well. Here is one for you.

"How many times shall I forgive a man Lord, seven times? I say to you seventy times seven..."

One more for the road

"No greater love hath a man that he should lay down his life for his friends"

Well bud...these are my friends. So if you don't like my posts then don't read'em, it is a public board YOU are free to do as you wish.

Hooch

Correction, this is a privately-owned forum made available to the public.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 10:07:17 pm

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Taldren "owes" me nothing.

Really, so when you get a broken (pardon me two) games and ask, and ask, and ask and get no answer then your still ok with that...right? Like I ask before, are you getting paid for this?

Hooch

Well I have no idea what Taldren's contract with Activision says as far as patching goes but for SFC2/OP after about 3 patches they were no longer under any obligation to do patches since Interplay no longer officially supported them , so everything after that was on their own time and they didn't get paid for any of it. IOW no they do not "owe" you anything, they chose to continue to support thier game because that is what they believed in.

I am gald your money means so very little to you, you should investigate the priesthood...your ready.

Me, I like the games. I would like to see free and open debate on their merits as well. I am a soft touch, DH, Max and Likerpig well they are a bit more blunt than I can be, (I have my moments) so because they say it with the gloves off and demand satisfaction for thier money it's ok by you to have them silenced by a banning? I hope you don't ever find a flaw here and voice it stronly...you might not like whats comes back at you.

Please note those of you who have taken issue with me. I have not "bashed" Taldren or the game. Player tactics at times, other posts, yes. But not Taldren. I wish only for them to allow these people to post under their choosen names.

Making them lose the persona name they have choosen and open a new account is a sneaky, nasty way of taking something away from them.

Sorry I find that repulsive.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aldaron on February 04, 2003, 10:15:06 pm

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Taldren "owes" me nothing.

Really, so when you get a broken (pardon me two) games and ask, and ask, and ask and get no answer then your still ok with that...right? Like I ask before, are you getting paid for this?

Hooch

Well I have no idea what Taldren's contract with Activision says as far as patching goes but for SFC2/OP after about 3 patches they were no longer under any obligation to do patches since Interplay no longer officially supported them , so everything after that was on their own time and they didn't get paid for any of it. IOW no they do not "owe" you anything, they chose to continue to support thier game because that is what they believed in.

I am gald your money means so very little to you, you should investigate the priesthood...your ready.

Me, I like the games. I would like to see free and open debate on their merits as well. I am a soft touch, DH, Max and Likerpig well they are a bit more blunt than I can be, (I have my moments) so because they say it with the gloves off and demand satisfaction for thier money it's ok by you to have them silenced by a banning? I hope you don't ever find a flaw here and voice it stronly...you might not like whats comes back at you.

Please note those of you who have taken issue with me. I have not "bashed" Taldren or the game. Player tactics at times, other posts, yes. But not Taldren. I wish only for them to allow these people to post under their choosen names.

Making them lose the persona name they have choosen and open a new account is a sneaky, nasty way of taking something away from them.

Sorry I find that repulsive.

Hooch

I value my money very much thank you. My point is Taldren is under no obligation to give you anything other than what they already have, especially in regards to this crusade you are on. Complain all you want about the game or whatever, just do it in a civil and polite manner. Piss off the admins (ie Taldren) who own the boards but don't be surprised when they ban you. These people you wish unbanned stepped over the line one too many times (Taldren decides where that line is) and paid the price. If they don't want to come back under a different handle and post civily that is thier choice but you aren't going to get anywhere in bugging Taldren about it. they have a hell of a lot more important things to do than spend time on this miniscule item. they made their choice to ban those people, end of story.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 10:23:08 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 04, 2003, 11:08:21 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 04, 2003, 11:19:27 pm

Very well said Doctor. (you must be British, I feel like I have been corrected well, harshly, but ever so nicely)

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 04, 2003, 11:33:12 pm

Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 04, 2003, 11:41:22 pm

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Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Yar! <Raises and waves cornstalk and clog in the air>

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 12:05:30 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Stormbringer on February 05, 2003, 12:10:44 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 05, 2003, 12:21:47 am

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Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

We'll have some good ol' home cookin, go huntin, and chase my cousin Suzy. She shore is a catch!

Afterwards, we can sit around an watch home movies. You've never seen Deliverance, have ya?

Sinsereli,

Doc

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 02:02:17 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 02:19:30 am

Just one more thing maybe there should be a clear list of rules so user's know what they can or can not get introuble for
Also I think its fair to give a warrning to people who are out of line

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 05, 2003, 06:17:26 am

Big bump from a KIWI not one of those ockers over the ditch from here

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 08:08:08 am

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Actually Hoochie looks like the good doctor is in Indiana. He's one of <shudder> you.

KAT J'inn the soon to be banned from the Midwest.

Dere Sir,

One of U? hardly. He is a BUCKEYE and I am a HOOSIER!

Just like there is a differnse twixt Diggers and Kiwis, Same hood, differnt terminology.

We do have our differnses.

A Buckeye is a hillbilly who can sign his own name.

A Hoosier is a hillbilly who can sign his own name wit "X".

Yer not banned. Gosh, no!

Heck, come on up an sit a spell.

We'll have some good ol' home cookin, go huntin, and chase my cousin Suzy. She shore is a catch!

Afterwards, we can sit around an watch home movies. You've never seen Deliverance, have ya?

Sinsereli,

Doc

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 08:19:10 am

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Gulp, I hate to even say this but my father was born and rasied in the Petersburg area of southern Indiana, and moved to Ohio after he meet my mother at a Moose lodge. Gads, we just might be cousins after all.

Hooch

I didn't know that special hotels were available for moose.........now which parent had the reservation?........

.........sorry Hooch, but I couldn't resist this.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 08:24:13 am

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Erik once posted after don was banned that if he made a new handle behaved himself and no one knew that it was him

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 05, 2003, 12:15:26 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Demandred on February 05, 2003, 01:22:43 pm

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Think about it. If YOU banned someone and THEIR friends started screaming at YOU, what would you do? Compound that by having some say, "Admit your mistake and unban them". What message is being sent? If you unban, you lose. No one can ever get banned again because you caved in to pressure. Right or wrong, at this point you have NO ALTERNATIVE but to maintain the ban, or cede all power to the posters (inmates running the asylum).

So, let Taldren do what they must. The more you press, the more you FORCE them to dig in. Back off. They're good people at heart, I'm sure that time will heal all.

Tegestu

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 03:16:15 pm

bumping till I turn blue

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: hobbesmaster on February 05, 2003, 04:25:55 pm

Actually, Max is a RM...

Bump from a Wildcat... keep slaughtering gators like last night!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 05, 2003, 07:08:50 pm

To Hooch,

This topic fell to page 2!

Like our good neighbor Gomer would say, "Fer shame, fer shame, fer shame!"

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aves on February 05, 2003, 07:15:41 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 07:27:07 pm

Any moderators want to give this post a sticky?

It will save us a lot of trouble

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 05, 2003, 08:19:04 pm

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Any moderators want to give this post a sticky?

It will save us a lot of trouble

Nows there's an Idea:)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 05, 2003, 08:37:20 pm

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To Hooch,

This topic fell to page 2!

Like our good neighbor Gomer would say, "Fer shame, fer shame, fer shame!"

DrSchreber

Thankya fer yer support!

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Aves on February 05, 2003, 09:23:18 pm

Luckily we've been told that a sticky cannot be created on this forum *whew*

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 05, 2003, 09:29:21 pm

Umm guys. It is not "Ikkerpig" although now that I think about it I guess . . . <snicker>

It's "Likkerpig"

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 05, 2003, 09:50:26 pm

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Umm guys. It is not "Ikkerpig" although now that I think about it I guess . . . <snicker>

It's "Likkerpig"

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Sten on February 05, 2003, 10:18:15 pm

Jinn,

I love your sig.

Braving the wild of space.

you got me with that one.

Guys afraid of girlfriend getting credit Card and Doctor visits but he can brave space.

Oh Yea BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 11:52:27 pm

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Jinn,

I love your sig.

Braving the wild of space. you got me with that one.

Guys afraid of girlfriend getting credit Card and Doctor visits but he can brave space.

Oh Yea BUMP

If you liked my work on that one Sten give me a basic idea and I'll see what I can do for you.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 05, 2003, 11:53:47 pm

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bumping till I turn blue

Ummm.... Hooch......Why don't you bump it till you turn Red again, ........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 06, 2003, 05:27:20 am

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If every time I visit this forum the "Please un-ban someone who can just re-register and behave anyway" thread is at the top I may start a "Never un-ban anyone" thread.

To all concerned: your point has been made and then some... please leave this pointless topic alone already.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 06, 2003, 05:32:36 am

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Luckily we've been told that a sticky cannot be created on this forum *whew*

Wait!, if I keep responding to replies about my desire for this not to be on top, it will stay on top! Arghh!!
*storms off to contemplate (sp?) new tactic muttering about being foiled again...*

"...and I would have got'n away with it too, if it wern't for ya medl'n kids!"

Dont know how told you that but theres a sticky at the top of this fourm I dont think they would sticky this one tho
Wonder what happened to the stars? oh yeah and BUMP:)

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 07:25:06 am

re-bumping, not quite blue yet

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 06, 2003, 08:43:30 am

Picture time????

Why not

Wouldn't want these forums to resemble certain other places

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 10:32:02 am

Chutt, where did you get the pictures of my sisters?

Come on Taldren, lighten up and let them back in.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: FatherTed on February 06, 2003, 12:02:46 pm

Release them at once! Or I'll have Gwarlock sing!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Robb Stark on February 06, 2003, 12:45:09 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Sten on February 06, 2003, 01:19:10 pm

Well since I am waiting for it to snow so I can go home early because everyone knows the fine citizens of North carolina can't drive in the snow.

a SNOWY BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 01:31:40 pm

Back again, still holding my breath

Title: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Toasty0 on February 06, 2003, 03:05:58 pm

Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: DrSchreber on February 06, 2003, 05:06:27 pm

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Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Toasty0 on February 06, 2003, 05:13:13 pm

*sigh*

I meant which one is Max...etc. I know the characters.

Thanks for the help though.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alidar Jarok on February 06, 2003, 08:40:36 pm

BUMP!!!!!

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 06, 2003, 10:08:13 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Banned?

Looks like banishment to me.

I just can't figure out who is who in the picture--anyone able to tell us?

Dear Sir,

As to the Who is who.

On the left (as we face the page) is General Zod, played by Terency Stanp
In the middle is Non, played by Jack O'Halloran.
On the right is Ursa, played by Sarah Douglas (boy is she hot in this movie!)!!!

The movie is Superman.

Did you really not know who they were?

DrSchreber

PS - Free the Taldren Three

Die Hard is chic I'm pretty sure.

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: Credo Narth on February 07, 2003, 03:28:24 am

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: LongTooth on February 07, 2003, 11:59:15 am

Still no word from taldren (maybe their still mulling it over) so bump

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 07, 2003, 01:56:55 pm

Oh I am certain they are thinking about it.

Hooch

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: LongTooth on February 07, 2003, 06:28:38 pm

Ok as I have not tried this lets have a little poll

Lets hope polls dont go astray like the stars did

Title: Support Our Banned Brothers!
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 07, 2003, 06:56:03 pm

Bump!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 07, 2003, 09:35:25 pm

bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 08, 2003, 03:14:08 am

Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 08, 2003, 03:44:56 am

just a BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 08, 2003, 09:52:56 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 08, 2003, 11:34:15 am

Le'Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 08, 2003, 01:51:50 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 08, 2003, 01:53:49 pm

To All,

Greetings.

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it".

- Voltaire

That's it.

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Uss_Defiant on February 08, 2003, 03:17:04 pm

bumpada bum bum bumpada bum bum bumpada bum bum...
(tune from Flight of the Valkerie)

BUMP!

Title: Re: The Axis of Evil Posters
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on February 08, 2003, 04:40:38 pm

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kieran Forester on February 08, 2003, 06:48:31 pm

Quote:

Le'Bump

Das Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 08, 2003, 08:17:01 pm

Das ist der Uber Bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 08, 2003, 11:11:47 pm

El bumpo

Title: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 01:03:33 am

Kore wa Bumupu desu.

Title: Re: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: CubCarson on February 09, 2003, 01:42:53 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 11:42:13 am

Quote:

In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kieran Forester on February 09, 2003, 01:12:28 pm

Quote:

Das ist der Uber Bump

Wir mussen ein andere Bump haben!

Title: Re: Taldren Fails to Respond, to unbanning thread
Post by: Uss_Defiant on February 09, 2003, 02:17:55 pm

Quote:

Die Hard and Max have been contributing to this community for a very long time- at least from the time dv2 came about ( I think). If they made emotionally heated posts it is because they are big fans of the series and want the best from it. Sure they could log in under another name and make their points but it would not be the same- who the hell would give the same respect to powermax or hardtokill when they show 1 or two posts as compared to 299 or 999 posts? Its a sign of time served and experience earned. They have supported this game and contributed to it for a long time, if the posts were offensive maybe there was a reason behind it?
Taldren is still a small company in the gaming community, I would think it would try to hang on to as many loyal fans as it could.
My 0.02$

Now remember, thats $0.02 canadian.... so in reality its only $0.016 US.
Dosent it feel good to be downgraded?

BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 03:19:15 pm

Quote:

Quote:

In the same survey, 25% of those questioned did not want Nazis, skinheads, the klan, or militia groups to demonstrate. Over 50% wanted to keep potty mouths like Howard Stern off the air, citing that the sexual content of their shows have no right to be on the air. 45% of these dimwits wanted the Internet to have restrictions on what was allowed to be posted. Finally, 25% thought the First Amendment guarantees far too many rights to those who do not deserve them. The only thing I have to say to all this is, you should have to know your rights before you try to take them away!

Well Chutt, while bumping this thread, I guess we can get in a knock down drag out about the first amendment...

I feel, putting Howard Stern's TV show on local broadcast without editing would be a mistake. They even blur out the "naughty bits" on the cable channel that carries it. Now if a pay service picked it up, go for it!

I also feel that the local library should have filters for computers in the "Kids" section. And unrestricted access in the adult section.

Posting should remain unlimited, but if you post something like Kiddie porn and it is tracked back to you, don't be supprised if the local law enforcement people come knocking on your door....

If you host a site in Germany that has Nasi material, don't be supprised if the cops show up at your door....

Don't know what catagory that puts me in, but at least I bumped the thread...

jd

JD,

Below the section of my earlier post that you quoted is the following:

Quote:

I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 05:05:37 pm

Quote:

I dont like many of these groups, but I will defend their rights as granted by the US Constitution, and the spirit of these rights where not protected by law. I trust in the wisdom of our founding fathers.

And the whole point of this post was really....

BUMP

jd

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 05:14:52 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 09, 2003, 09:03:33 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 09, 2003, 09:04:32 pm

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 09:06:22 pm

Quote:

I think what I am for on the marijuna issue is legal but restricted kinda like alcohol is. Sell marijuana in state run liquor stores, and tax it rather than have some drug dealer pocketing a significant chunk of the US economy.

Quote:

I agree about not flaunting it, but that is a product of prudishness, deny something as sinful and it gains the charm of "forbidden fruit". Treat nudity as natural not as a marketing tool.

Trust me, I don't want to see myself that way....

and of course...

BUMP

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 09, 2003, 09:26:34 pm

Quote:

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Agreed,

Thoughts of naked Klingons <shudders> have brought me back on track........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KBF-JD on February 09, 2003, 09:36:32 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Keep your eye on the ball guys. Lets get them un-banned and then we can speak freely again about the merits of free speech for right now on this forum that right does not exsist for all of us.

Hooch

Agreed,

Thoughts of naked Klingons <shudders> have brought me back on track........

Back to my origional point, the right to protest was granted in the First Ammendment, so I plan to use the spirit of that right to continue my protest of Taldrens banning of Die Hard, Max Power, and Likkerpig.

Can't wait till we make the SETI thread small by comparison.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: BuckStrider on February 09, 2003, 10:05:34 pm

Quote:

Dope? No good answer. I have seen first hand too many times how badly pot can burn you out. I have serveral friends who are fried. So I cannot back making it leagal. The points for leagalization ARE strong, but I just cannot see it. As a matter of fact, the last report I saw about Belgum(?) where they had leagalizied it, it was causing a BIG strain on the system. Pot also does lead to harder drugs(I've seen it do it too much).

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 09, 2003, 11:00:59 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alexander1701 on February 10, 2003, 12:04:54 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Alexander1701 on February 10, 2003, 12:48:18 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 10, 2003, 01:19:29 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Scipio_66 on February 10, 2003, 03:07:36 am

Quote:

Originally posted by CD NT
Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

Good idea. Let's try this one from our old friend, likkerpig, posted weeks ago. I find it completely in character for him. (Hope he doesn't mind):

Quote:

Originally posted by Likkerpig in another forum:
Thank you for including me in the list Chuut. I am somewhat ambiguous about how I feel about the whole thing. From what I gather Die Hard and Max were banned for making unflattering comments about Taldren. In my case I made a very offensive post insulting an RM (later two when Dogmatix tried to calm me down) and a server admin. The incident that led to my post was because two bull headed people locked horns and I was an idiot who kept the arguement going. I don't know that grouping me with Die Hard and Max is doing them any favors.
.
Since my banning I have lurked on the taldren boards, occasionally posting under another name when I had something to say (usually on the off topic forum) but staying under the radar and just keeping up on the current events of the d2. Still play occasionally, under various other names- I love this friken game!
.
I wrote an apology to the admin I slandered (Kosh I believe), in all sincerity. He posted it on the Taldren boards asking for my ban to be lifted. This suprised me, as I just wanted to apologise for being such a dick. After I recieved several emails from forum regulars expressing a variety of opinions and reasons why I should stay banned I wrote Kosh? again asking him not to push for my unbanning. Also spent some time answering some of the more vitriolic e-mails I had recieved.
.
Would I like to be unbanned? Sure! Should I be? I dunno, thats up to the Taldren people. I went way over the line (except for the off topic forum - no rules there, want to write about killing jews or americans, that's ok with the admins)(A little slash at the fluid morals of the admins).
.
I won't post on the Taldren boards under this name (don't know if they reinstated my ban with Die Hard and Max's or not, haven't tried). I'll just respect their wishes that I not post.
.
To sum up: I am humbled that anyone even remembered me, let alone wants to defend me. At the same time grouping me with Max and Die Hard seems to be an injustice to them, assuming why they were banned is what I gathered from other posts.
.
My apologies to all for my foul mouthed and offensive post that lead to my banning.
.
Likkerpig

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 10, 2003, 04:58:43 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 05:42:56 am

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 10, 2003, 09:45:33 am

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 10:21:18 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Hey, why don't you guys include some posts that these
people have made on other forums to show Taldren just
how sorry they are?

I really enjoyed this one by Die Hard:
"Screw Dave Ferrel. May his children die of cancer."
As you can see it just drips with remorse.

Wow, where'd you find that stool of a post, CD?

Toasty,
You can find that post and a couple other DH gems over on
the SFC2.Net forum. To be fair, I did read posts from Max
and Likkerpig and they seemed sincere with what they had
to say. DH on the other hand seems only able to spew
venom and hate.

Give it up Hooch.

I don't think you are gonna win this one. See Exhibit A above.

DH, delete that post if you know what's good for you.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 10, 2003, 10:35:20 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Subspace on February 10, 2003, 11:00:21 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 11:10:16 am

Quote:

A very significant part of his life is now gone, and for some people to be scorned in a place where they were formerly accepted is very hard to accept.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned *DELETED*
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 01:33:20 pm

Post deleted by SSCF Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 02:28:45 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Scipio_66 on February 10, 2003, 02:41:56 pm

Quote:

Now there is an ugly and unexpected turn on the Fora's most viewed (I think) thread.

Will the Taldren Three be re-instated?

Will Taldern even post on this thread?

Will Hooch turn Blue?

Will Chuut get himself banned?

Will others develop an uncontrolable urge to post negative remarks about other groups?

Will Taldren do anything about it?

What would Paramount say about all this?

Will Die Hard ever learn when it is best to STFU?

Will J'inn ever get back to work and quit wasting time on the forums?

None of this matters, J'inn. The only thing that truly matters in this situations is: what would Brian Boytano do?

-S'Cipio

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 03:08:02 pm

Quote:

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Is this really what computer code looks like? I have to assume so. I don't see how computer code guys can do this all day. I got a headache just trying to figure this little bit out. I'm serious here.

Ya know there is a whole philosophiical thingy about what happens when only a few people in society control everything that keeps that society at a certain level of civilization.. I think we are getting close to The Tyranny of the Computer Aware. Followed eventually by the Luddite Revolution led by J'inn the Roundhead. Followed shortly thereafter by The Dark Ages Part Deux.

Seriously, does computer code HAVE to be this hard to understand?? Or is it all some vast Techie conspiracy to take over the world. I think it just might be . . . . . <ZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPP>

This post has been deleted by Microsoft, Inc. J'inn has been "deleted" as well. Please move along.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 03:47:28 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: hobbesmaster on February 10, 2003, 04:19:10 pm

Quote:

Will J'inn ever get back to work and quit wasting time on the forums?

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 04:21:00 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooch:
Cheap shot you creep!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Tantalus on February 10, 2003, 04:33:14 pm

<barges into the creche>

Unban the banned!! And get some lolly pops in here! :P

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on February 10, 2003, 05:00:45 pm

<Errr..... Bump>

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:37:26 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:46:39 pm

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 05:53:19 pm

Quote:

I find it odd that your comments are directed at me and me me only.

Are you afraid to make comment to Chutt-Ritt and the others that support this thread?

Or do you feel that you are my better and can thereby make your remarks to what you consider to be an unter mann and a military hack?

Concerning the the SSCF server. It stated "have fun, play with honor, no foul language, and be respectful. To your modest credit, you passed the first three but sadly lack the last one.

Also, the issue here is the banned people not me, although you seemed to be determined to make it me.

Anyway, please keep on posting sir. Every time you do I get closer to the 5000 views I am currently shooting for.

Hooch

I think we covered the "Hooch" issues for today.

But, lest you forget, I have been petitioning for DH's freedom also.

<bump>

Free Die Hard!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 05:58:14 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 06:04:47 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 06:15:25 pm

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: DrSchreber on February 10, 2003, 06:35:23 pm

Quote:

Now please read slowly, I have no intention of letting this thread die. If I get deployed to the gulf soon I bet that somebody else will keep it going until I get back.

Mocking me in your current manner only motivates me all the more.

Hooch

To All,

Regarding not letting it die.......

Semper Fi! Hoorah!

DrSchreber

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 07:51:35 pm

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Brahahaha. That is a fine piece of humor. Anyone who doesn't get it is most likely suffering a serious lack of bran in their diet.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 08:14:11 pm

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 10, 2003, 08:41:18 pm

Hooch wrote:

Quote:

Well, I am a nice shade of pink right now.

DH was not right to say that for sure, It was very poor taste to say what he did.

So, is there any reasonable reason that you feel you should continue supporting the reversal of his banishment from these forums?

Hooch continued to post:

Quote:

CD, I normally allow folks to leave a fight with me if they are beaten, but you I will may a special catagory for if I ever find you on a sever.

Quote:

Hooch

Also please note the comment by DH was made AFTER they banned him again for nothing, oddy CD did not bother to explain that, he only wished to add a fuel to this fire. Cheap shot you creep!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Hale on February 10, 2003, 09:26:34 pm

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Please line your braces up!! I dislike looking at code where the open braces trail the line. :P

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 10, 2003, 09:41:32 pm

Quote:

Quote:

int iThreadAirSupply = 200;

for (i = 0; i < INFINITY; i++) {

if (iBannedRemoved == TRUE) {
doToldYaSoHaHa();
break;
}

switch (Forum_Resp) {

case NO_RESP:
printf("bump\n");
break;

case ALT_CRITICISM:
doWittySubleLists();
doPushOwnDirtUnderRug();
doNameCallling();
doIntimidationThreats();
break;

}

PlayYouCantAlwaysGetWantYouWant(Hooch);
iThreadAirSupply -= 1;

} // end for INFINITY ever

printf("Purgatory Jail Break\n");

Please line your braces up!! I dislike looking at code where the open braces trail the line. :P

LOL, I tried using tabs and spaces but they don't make it when the final post is submitted.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 10, 2003, 09:47:42 pm

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on February 10, 2003, 10:16:19 pm

OK girls. Cut it out.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Stormbringer on February 10, 2003, 10:18:05 pm

20 minus 475 days and counting.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 12:27:52 am

Oh my,

Hooch, Karnak come over here so I can whop you both of your heads and knock some sense into yas.......

Hooch,

Now lets get on with it and Bump this sucker!!!!!

my 2 cents plus tax.........

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 12:29:55 am

Quote:

Will Chuut get himself banned?
- J'inn

Well J'inn thats what you are here for, to keep me from going too far

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: CD_NT on February 11, 2003, 02:35:11 am

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Pirate on February 11, 2003, 02:58:19 am

Just my Daily bump

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 03:43:17 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Credo Narth on February 11, 2003, 05:15:26 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Toasty0 on February 11, 2003, 06:05:55 am

Quote:

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

The man wishes for the death of another persons children
and I'm the bad guy here? That's classic. I make post showing
people what Die Hard is like and I get insulted and called
names. Gimme a break.

I didn't abuse any access to the SFC2.Net forums. I didn't
have to make an account. I didn't have to register. I didn't
have to log on. I didn't have to use a password. The post
was right there in the "General Forum" for anyone to see.

I stumbled upon the SFC2.Net forums because of a link
someone posted here for a thread there called "101 Uses
for SFC3". Speaking of that thread, let's share DH's answer
to that topic:

Die Hard: " #2 Proof the Dave Ferrel is a moron!"

I'm a little unclear on how this is a use for SFC3 but I think
people get the point.

Well, since you are already calling me names, I might as well
post the other two nuggets of DH wisdom that I came across.

In a thread titled "Another Shining Moment In Taldren's History"
with a survey asking if Dave has "lost it"

Die Hard:" I think my opinions on the pig-F'er are well known."

This doesn't sound to good, unless pig-F'er is a code word
for "swell dude".

The last example I found was probaly made when he was
banned the first time. Since he was under undo stress from
the experience we won't hold it against him but let's share it
any ways.

Die Hard: "David Ferrell is a real smuck. Not only has he
banned me 3 times what stuff that was really minor,
he's started deleting individual posts of mine.
He can kiss my tucus before I say I'm sorry and mean it.
I posted a half-hearted apology to this moron, but thats all
he's gonna get. Besides, HE CANNOT KEEP ME OUT!!!!!!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Take care Mr. Hooch. Talk to you soon.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: LongTooth on February 11, 2003, 07:05:13 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Julin Eurthyr on February 11, 2003, 08:21:34 am

Quote:

And back to my original question...

Do all the members of GFL and SFC2.NET support the tripe we've seen posted on their forums? Is this what they are about?

Hooch's post sure has lead me to think so.

Best,
Jerry

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: SSCF Hooch on February 11, 2003, 08:33:25 am

Quote:

Quote:

You kidding right? "Creep" was the least of the things i wished to call him for abusing his access to the 2.net forums so he could dump a little more p**p on DH.

Hooch

The man wishes for the death of another persons children
and I'm the bad guy here? That's classic. I make post showing
people what Die Hard is like and I get insulted and called
names. Gimme a break.

I didn't abuse any access to the SFC2.Net forums. I didn't
have to make an account. I didn't have to register. I didn't
have to log on. I didn't have to use a password. The post
was right there in the "General Forum" for anyone to see.

I stumbled upon the SFC2.Net forums because of a link
someone posted here for a thread there called "101 Uses
for SFC3". Speaking of that thread, let's share DH's answer
to that topic:

Die Hard: " #2 Proof the Dave Ferrel is a moron!"

I'm a little unclear on how this is a use for SFC3 but I think
people get the point.

Well, since you are already calling me names, I might as well
post the other two nuggets of DH wisdom that I came across.

In a thread titled "Another Shining Moment In Taldren's History"
with a survey asking if Dave has "lost it"

Die Hard:" I think my opinions on the pig-F'er are well known."

This doesn't sound to good, unless pig-F'er is a code word
for "swell dude".

The last example I found was probaly made when he was
banned the first time. Since he was under undo stress from
the experience we won't hold it against him but let's share it
any ways.

Die Hard: "David Ferrell is a real smuck. Not only has he
banned me 3 times what stuff that was really minor,
he's started deleting individual posts of mine.
He can kiss my tucus before I say I'm sorry and mean it.
I posted a half-hearted apology to this moron, but thats all
he's gonna get. Besides, HE CANNOT KEEP ME OUT!!!!!!!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Take care Mr. Hooch. Talk to you soon.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: C-Los on February 11, 2003, 08:47:36 am

BUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: GE-Raven on February 11, 2003, 09:36:22 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: J'inn on February 11, 2003, 09:43:58 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 10:06:40 am

Quote:

it shows a total lack of moral courage on your parts not being able to condemn him and recognise that this community is not about what he represents
---ToastyO

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: KATChuutRitt on February 11, 2003, 10:15:04 am

Quote:

Well it seems several would perfer Die Hrd not return. Some would prefer that he be tarred and feathered.

The old: The uncivil should be punished vs. Free Speech stuff. Boring.

Curious:

What is everyone's opinion on Max Power? Should he have been banned for being critical of SFC3? If so, then there are a lot of people on Taldren's To- Be- Banned list now. Should he be un-banned now?

Now I can understand that perhaps Max's statements (which in my opinion were scathing but hardly over the top) came at a delicate time. Maybe, someone was having a bad day. Maybe there was concern over the effect of bad PR at the time on sales. <=== A valid concern IMHO.

I'm just curious here. It seems the pro-banning lobby is focusing on Die Hard. Obviously, he is the worst of the three offenders. I'm sure he would even agree with that. I doubt he would want his actions to effect the other two though.

So, let's see what we have to say about the one that did the least harm. Specifically, Max Power.

Taldren deleted one of my posts at the time too. It was a silly joke about Taldren refusing to sell SFC3 to me because I sucked so bad. I was very surprsied they deleted it because it was clean and in no way said anythiing bad about the game. The only conclusion is when the game first came out there was a lot of concern regarding bad PR effecting sales. Makes sense to me actually. However, now that the initial wave of sales is over Taldren has obviously lightened up. Note: all of the people pissing off Dave but not getting banned.

As for me personally. There are lots of things I wish people would not post on these boards. None of which will cause me to lose any sleep though. And yes, Die Hard has several posts he should delete. But if he doesn't, I live.

SFC2.Net forums? Yes, very liberal. Everyone by now shoudl know that so it's not a problem. When you don't have to worry about sales you can be that way.

So, I would ask Taldren to let the three bad boys back in. Max really did nothing wrong IMHO. Likkerpig had a tantrum and recanted. Die Hard . . . . he's his own worst enemy. He needs to remember that kids read these forums also. Let him back in too. Ban him for life if he ever says one thing un-civil.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Kroma_BaSyl on February 11, 2003, 10:19:36 am

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: Karnak on February 11, 2003, 10:43:03 am

Quote:

Oh my,

Hooch, Karnak come over here so I can whop you both of your heads and knock some sense into yas.......

Hooch,

I agree tha CD took Die Hards post out of the proper time line. But that is no reason to bash him for using the post to support his argument, that is his right, and we shouldn't get upset by it. I just wish that the time frame be considered regarding this.

As you said, with regard to that remark, you do not condone it, neither do I, but like others have posted I understand the frustration he must feel at the initial banning. If your boss fires you due to a misunderstanding, and you cuss him out for it, once he comes to realize he was mistaken in his initial assumption, he should still hire you back. That why we continue to support Die Hard, although I feel he should delete that 1 remark (it really isn't kosher) as I posted long ago on that very thread.

I can understand Karnak's defense of CD, and I feel he was correct in this, so dont get so upset by it. Whatever the cause the fact is the two of you got a little heated and started flaming, well stop it and get on with the purpose at hand. Flame wars are not what we are here for.

Karnak,

If you believe in the un-banning cause as you say you do, it is counterproductive to tell Hooch it is a "lost cause" as your post implied. In this matter I support Hooch 100%. A "lost cause" is worth fighting for when it is just (and not sure that it is a lost one myself). Die Hard's continued anger over the banning is not unlike your own over the AOTK issues, but if you will kindly recall, I still went to bat for your return to the campaign as a valued player and community member despite your venomous responses after the incident of your removal as ARM. Later you did admit to a certain unjustness,and render an apology about your negetive responses as I hope Die Hard will do if his situation is corrected. I hope this may prove to be the case and that he will follow that example. Some called the AOTK " Karnak situation" a "lost cause" but it proved worth the effort, as you validated my efforts on your behalf. So don't let it arise again.

I also ask you to remember that Fluf and I were SFC2.net RM and A/RM respectively, and we did our best towards you, so please do not direct criticism towards the SFC2.net RMs without considering this.

I agree in your defence of CD and his rights to disagree, but I think I detected some holdover venom from the AOTK issue, this likely triggered Hooch's response, please let it drop.

Well, either 2 things can happen here, #1 you both give an apology for letting this misunderstanding become a minor Flame, and your heated words, and shake hands, or #2 you both start flaming me for playing peace broker or misunderstanding the issues at hand. I hope you both are men enough to do the former without a "him first attitude". If you can do this, I will hold you both in higher regard. ...........

Now lets get on with it and Bump this sucker!!!!!

my 2 cents plus tax.........

Fact correction: I resigned as ARM, and changed my mind 24 hours later, but that's neither here nor there.

I choose Option #1.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jerry:
Do all the members of GFL and SFC2.NET support the tripe we've seen posted on their forums? Is this what they are about?

icon to delete them.

Title: Re: Die Hard Re-banned
Post by: David Ferrell on February 11, 2003, 12:09:38 pm

They were never un-banned.

They will not be coming back.

Any further threads of this sort will be deleted as a public nuisance.

Thanks,

Dave

Dynaverse.net

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