Post by: Azel on October 12, 2003, 09:18:46 am
She just needs signage and windows(if anyone can help there...it would be most appreciated, thanks)
She will be lightnapped as soon as there are some windows and signaged...lol
But none the less engoy
And the zip
http://www.frost-works.com/watchtower/Excelsior.zip
Post by: Bernard Guignard on October 12, 2003, 09:23:58 am
Post by: Azel on October 12, 2003, 09:29:22 am
Post by: DonKarnage on October 12, 2003, 10:41:36 am
can you try a tmp version of the defiant and voyager?
Post by: Terradyhne on October 12, 2003, 10:46:47 am
Post by: Clark Kent on October 12, 2003, 11:14:14 am
CK
Post by: atheorhaven on October 12, 2003, 01:37:50 pm
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This had just came to me yesterday...so I just did it
She just needs signage and windows(if anyone can help there...it would be most appreciated, thanks)
She will be lightnapped as soon as there are some windows and signaged...lol
But none the less engoy
I'm on it..
I have an idea for this puppy as well that I'll tell you in confidence in email, and it'll be really feasible and explainable.
Post by: Azel on October 12, 2003, 01:45:13 pm
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the model looks good but an TOS Excelsior is not a good idea for me because the Excelsior is an typical TMP design
I agree(but she is a looker isn't she
)If you want, look at it like this....lets just say : The Excelsior was supposed to to be produced just before the orgainian peace treaty...but because of that treaty the project had to be redefined from a space superiority ship to The next generation Transwarp testbed...just a thought
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I have to admit that I was skeptical when I saw this post in the forum, but i looked anyway. Turns out, I was right to take a look. I actually like her, nice work.
Well glad I peaked your interest man...Always glad to have you guys come around and comment
Thanks
Post by: Rod O'neal on October 12, 2003, 03:45:23 pm
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This had just came to me yesterday...so I just did it
She just needs signage and windows(if anyone can help there...it would be most appreciated, thanks)
She will be lightnapped as soon as there are some windows and signaged...lol
But none the less engoy
I'm on it..
I have an idea for this puppy as well that I'll tell you in confidence in email, and it'll be really feasible and explainable.
I can't wait to see this done. Man, I'm really lovin' all the attention for TOS designs we're getting. Thanks Azel and Atheorhaven
Post by: Azel on October 12, 2003, 10:15:25 pm
Post by: Magnum357 on October 13, 2003, 02:09:14 am
Post by: Azel on October 13, 2003, 05:45:38 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on October 13, 2003, 07:29:55 pm
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Very nice work dude! I never thought about making a TOS style Excelcior. As a matter of fact, it kinda makes sense if you wanted to include it in a strictly "TOS" mode, or strictly SFB mode. Again, good job!
It always felt a bit uncomfortable to use the standard TOS/SFB battlecruiser models in the BCE slot. This will give us something to put in there that will be a better fit IMO.
Post by: Steelviper33 on October 13, 2003, 08:26:25 pm
Real looker
I downloaded her and her Texture maps are layed out wierd. Gonna be an issue for someone doing specs and what not.
Post by: Steelviper33 on October 13, 2003, 09:12:39 pm
Post by: Azel on October 13, 2003, 09:15:57 pm
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I downloaded her and her Texture maps are layed out wierd. Gonna be an issue for someone doing specs and what not.
Ok man...Good luck
Sorry for the tough textures
Post by: Steelviper33 on October 13, 2003, 10:03:54 pm
Post by: sandman69247 on October 13, 2003, 10:19:06 pm
Post by: Desty_Nova on October 13, 2003, 11:44:53 pm
Post by: starforce2 on October 14, 2003, 02:03:46 am
Post by: Azel on October 14, 2003, 10:06:16 am
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Hey Azel. Rod sent me the ship. It looks great! I like how you handled the sensor dish. Want me to do light maps for it?
Sure if you want
...but first she needs windows and signage...without that we anit got much...
Post by: Kaenyne on October 14, 2003, 10:10:51 am
Just stopped by to say I like your Excelsior.
You have a LOT of good ideas in that head of yours and you always surprise me.
You think of stuff that never would occur to me...a TOS Excelsior? I never thought of that!
Post by: James Formo on October 14, 2003, 03:12:10 pm
Post by: Azel on October 14, 2003, 03:32:26 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on October 16, 2003, 09:48:49 am
The one thing that I've added since this shot was the registry lights... (and I'm boosting the amount of lighting on the nacelle glowies).
Post by: Kaenyne on October 16, 2003, 09:56:32 am
I still think it's neat that Azel came up with this. So simple, yet so cool...
Post by: Rogue NineCH on October 16, 2003, 10:14:28 am
Post by: Azel on October 16, 2003, 01:31:00 pm
THanks!!!
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I like the idea and this model is very cool looking, but I think it still looks too much liike a TMP design with TOS engines. The saucer, neck and drive hull would need to be redone completely in a TOS style. I am not trying to criticize here, it looks like a great start so far, but more work needs to be done to make it TOS.
Did you DL the Model yet man???
There is another version in there...alottle more retro looking...aspecially in the interhull.
I understand where you are coming from man, but the ship was intended to be a Late TOS ship
Kinda like a mothballed project till TMP
Post by: Steelviper33 on October 16, 2003, 03:07:04 pm
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Here's about where I am with this.. although I'm changing the lower saucer texture I tried back to something else..
The one thing that I've added since this shot was the registry lights... (and I'm boosting the amount of lighting on the nacelle glowies).
Damnit ive been shown up
-=shrug=- lookin good!
Post by: Rogue NineCH on October 16, 2003, 07:12:06 pm
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LOOKS REAL Cool so far Alec!!!
THanks!!!
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I like the idea and this model is very cool looking, but I think it still looks too much liike a TMP design with TOS engines. The saucer, neck and drive hull would need to be redone completely in a TOS style. I am not trying to criticize here, it looks like a great start so far, but more work needs to be done to make it TOS.
Did you DL the Model yet man???
There is another version in there...alottle more retro looking...aspecially in the interhull.
I understand where you are coming from man, but the ship was intended to be a Late TOS ship
Kinda like a mothballed project till TMP
I was in a hurry for work this morning, I didn't realize that it's up for d/l already, I'll check it out the other version, although both will be in my game I like them.
Post by: Rod O'neal on October 16, 2003, 09:00:37 pm
I don't often give suggestions to WIP, because I don't want to mess with the "flow" and like to see what the artist is going to come up with. If I can suggest one small thing though. What about putting the double red stripe around the top of the saucer like on the SFB War era designs? It might help with suggesting the late TOS look.
Post by: Desty_Nova on October 16, 2003, 09:35:20 pm
Post by: E_Look on October 17, 2003, 12:15:53 am
Post by: Reverend on October 17, 2003, 02:14:07 am
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I like the way the dish sticks out of the secondary hull.
Yeah, me too- really give it a proto-Excelsior look... still Excelsior, just as though it was going to be too expensive to build at that moment- maybe this hull built and then instantly retired or sent off to do purely science missions... is this the U.S.S Cousteau as mentioned in Hellion Documentary? Couuullld be....
Post by: Azel on October 17, 2003, 02:38:28 pm
Post by: Steelviper33 on October 17, 2003, 02:52:57 pm
Thats all i got, I just mashed it with Atra's Textures...looks okay, but im not entirely content with it, im gonna see what i can do to fix it in a few days.
Post by: atheorhaven on October 18, 2003, 12:33:40 am
(Had to remap the saucer so that it'd accept a standard saucer-type texture anyways, so adding those two red lines will help with the look.)
But here's my take on things...
Let's say that the Excelsior project was a project that was a long time in development (like the original Connie). It could've started off as a testbed for new technologies in TOS times, and had multiple problems like underpowered nacelles (the technology not being in place yet for TMP and the higher powered TMP engines) structural reinforcement problems (a lot larger ship than even a Star Empire), and a good number of other problems that weren't resolved by the end of TOS. At this time, it'd have recieved and kept NX-2000.
However, with the refit of the Enterprise, new tech was available. A relook would've been done with the new tech available to refit and finally get the Excelsior flying and out of mothballs. The warp engines would've been totally rebuilt to provide more power for the huge ship, the hull totally rebuilt, and few systems would've been left. And then the transwarp engine project came up. Another hull reinforcement, and upgrading of the SIF generators to try and handle the stresses of transwarp. And then transwarp failure. Going back to the rebuilt non-transwarp engine design with all the new SIF changes and other transwarp reinforcements remaining in place. And there we go.
However.. mouahaha.. I have another idea that I'm trying to send to Azel in private for this design as well.. (grin).. However his Hotmail email addy appears to be not working, and all that... so methinks I need to send him a PM here on Taldren..
Post by: Azel on October 18, 2003, 08:54:37 am
Odontotyrannus@aol.com
Post by: wanderer on October 18, 2003, 11:09:55 am
Speaking of TMP to TOS designs, I remember someone was working on a TOS Constellation at some point...
Post by: Rod O'neal on October 18, 2003, 12:18:20 pm
Post by: Azel on October 19, 2003, 10:21:11 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on October 19, 2003, 10:29:01 pm
But it's saved.. I just haven't peeked at it yet. Too much other stuff happening today.. (I'll post a message shortly)..
Post by: Azel on October 20, 2003, 05:08:44 pm
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I did.. it overloaded my email as usual..
But it's saved.. I just haven't peeked at it yet. Too much other stuff happening today.. (I'll post a message shortly)..
LOL...Sorry man
But ok
Post by: Azel on October 21, 2003, 04:44:11 pm
lol
Post by: Reverend on October 22, 2003, 01:32:40 pm
Post by: Fire Blade on October 22, 2003, 10:39:21 pm
Post by: Azel on October 23, 2003, 10:32:26 am
Thanks Rev
Post by: Bernard Guignard on October 29, 2003, 06:31:15 am
Post by: Azel on October 29, 2003, 07:40:21 am
What is going on with this ship lol????
Post by: Fire Blade on October 29, 2003, 09:36:09 pm
Bump Bump :banghead 
Post by: atheorhaven on October 29, 2003, 10:00:22 pm
All I have to do is create an inner sphere that's textured for that, add a starship inside, and it's complete (and back to this one)..
Post by: E_Look on October 29, 2003, 11:09:58 pm
Post by: Kaenyne on October 30, 2003, 09:11:08 am
I for one am looking forward to your TOS starbase! She is just what the doctor ordered!
Post by: Fire Blade on November 04, 2003, 11:29:25 pm
Post by: Pataflafla on November 05, 2003, 06:55:49 am
I'm really diggin' the storyline you've come up with Alec.
As always......very talented and imaginative work, Azel.
You guys keep this up and I just might get the bug to start texturing again.
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Post by: Azel on November 05, 2003, 07:33:10 pm
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was skeptical, but I finally peeked in here and this TOS Excelsior ain't bad.
I'm really diggin' the storyline you've come up with Alec.
As always......very talented and imaginative work, Azel.
You guys keep this up and I just might get the bug to start texturing again.
Wow!!! thanks man!!!
Comming from you that means alot !!!
Thanks
Post by: Kaenyne on November 06, 2003, 09:00:10 am
Post by: Fire Blade on November 06, 2003, 09:01:49 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on November 06, 2003, 10:06:24 pm
But in the next hour, I'll do some more work on both it and my station and try to get these both out this weekend. Sound good?
Post by: Fire Blade on November 06, 2003, 11:43:13 pm
Post by: Kaenyne on November 14, 2003, 01:20:42 pm
Post by: Fire Blade on November 15, 2003, 03:38:22 am
Post by: Kaenyne on November 24, 2003, 12:10:15 pm
Post by: Azel on November 24, 2003, 02:28:07 pm
Post by: Fire Blade on November 24, 2003, 02:58:48 pm
Post by: Fire Blade on November 26, 2003, 09:10:20 pm
Post by: Kaenyne on December 01, 2003, 12:49:14 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on December 01, 2003, 07:42:33 pm
Post by: Kaenyne on December 02, 2003, 11:20:02 am
I and a bunch of other folks around here are really looking forward to both projects.
Thanks for the update!
Post by: FPF-Wanderer on January 08, 2005, 07:00:32 am
So, fellas, what ever happened to this gem of a project? I'd love to see it resurrected.
Post by: Bernard Guignard on January 08, 2005, 07:03:52 am
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 04:12:19 pm
Post by: Dawntreader on January 08, 2005, 04:29:15 pm
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 05:01:12 pm
Post by: Chris Johnson on January 08, 2005, 05:34:00 pm
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 05:54:25 pm
Post by: Chris Johnson on January 08, 2005, 06:00:55 pm
Post by: stewiedude on January 08, 2005, 06:55:39 pm
And a download link would be gr8 if its done :)
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 07:55:11 pm
windows
Lightmaps
Possible saucer retexture(I explained why in the earlier post)
registry and signage
BRKmod
and hardpoints
lets see if this works:
Post by: stewiedude on January 08, 2005, 08:02:25 pm
Like the tan colour scheme, and the addition of the saucer dish, looks gr8
Good job :)
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 08:18:47 pm
Feel free to tweak her as you feel is nessesary...just share your results, Thanks :)
Post by: GotAFarmYet? on January 08, 2005, 09:07:53 pm
Post by: Azel on January 08, 2005, 10:11:37 pm
Post by: GDA-S'Cipio on January 08, 2005, 11:10:42 pm
I must have missed this one the first time around. But I like it.
-S'Cipio
Post by: GotAFarmYet? on January 08, 2005, 11:23:25 pm
sure NP...I'll get it to you tomorrow ok???
Sure that would be great
Post by: Centurus on January 09, 2005, 09:02:33 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on January 10, 2005, 02:26:23 am
(http://b5fc.dyndns.org:8090/tos_excel.jpg)
(http://b5fc.dyndns.org:8090/tos_excel_2.jpg)
(http://b5fc.dyndns.org:8090/tos_excel_3.jpg)
Hopefully the new images work properly.. I've been having fun trying to get anything uploaded recently..
Post by: GotAFarmYet? on January 10, 2005, 03:50:26 am
Post by: Azel on January 10, 2005, 06:33:27 am
:'( :'(
Post by: atheorhaven on January 10, 2005, 11:27:25 pm
Crap...all I get are the infamous "Red X's"
:'( :'(
Yeah.. I saw that.. the server needs to be rebooted I think..
I'll try uploading them here..
Post by: FPF-Wanderer on January 10, 2005, 11:29:45 pm
Post by: Centurus on January 10, 2005, 11:49:16 pm
Post by: Azel on January 11, 2005, 01:18:26 pm
also you may want to turn off some lights...lol
:)
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Post by: stewiedude on January 11, 2005, 01:42:01 pm
Post by: Centurus on January 11, 2005, 10:45:20 pm
Yep.. Looks great, although I agree with AZ on the windows, they seem to take away the TOS feel... apart from that... top dog!!!
They do have a point with the windows, but then again it occured to me that maybe this TOS Excelsior ship was the beginning bridge between the TOS and TMP eras. I know, it's a stretch, but hey, couldn't it work?
Post by: Chris Johnson on January 12, 2005, 01:01:38 am
Post by: Azel on January 12, 2005, 12:45:41 pm
That would be true...except that the TMP ships also had less windows...and the Excelsior saucer(like the other TMP and older TOS ships) only has windows on the saucer edges and sides of the ship ...in TNG the saucer of a Starship had windows on the saucer dorsally and/or ventrally)Yep.. Looks great, although I agree with AZ on the windows, they seem to take away the TOS feel... apart from that... top dog!!!
They do have a point with the windows, but then again it occured to me that maybe this TOS Excelsior ship was the beginning bridge between the TOS and TMP eras. I know, it's a stretch, but hey, couldn't it work?
Post by: Sandman3D on January 12, 2005, 04:55:01 pm
Post by: Rhaz on January 12, 2005, 10:02:19 pm
Just my $0.2
Also, if the "neck" was smooth as opposed to ribbed, I think that would be more TOS looking
Rhaz
Post by: ModelsPlease on January 16, 2005, 08:29:23 am
Post by: Azel on February 28, 2005, 08:46:00 pm
BUMPBump...
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 28, 2005, 09:35:44 pm
Post by: ModelsPlease on March 01, 2005, 07:21:46 am
-MP
Post by: FPF-Wanderer on March 01, 2005, 08:46:39 pm
I have the original Azel, I could post it @ Battleclinic till we here from Alec on the status of his retextured version if you want me to.
-MP
Please do, sir. :)
Post by: atheorhaven on March 03, 2005, 10:29:48 pm
I have the original Azel, I could post it @ Battleclinic till we here from Alec on the status of his retextured version if you want me to.
-MP
Yeah.. sorry again for the long delay.
It is finished, but it's not as pretty as I'd like.. the secondary hull is still pretty rough and there is still some texture distortion on it on the secondary hull.
But it's definitely in a better state now.. and I'm going to try an experiment here to see if my buddies' server is up and running (the main reason why I've not been posting pix lately is due to a Mackie-space issue). :p
If this works, you should see these test imgs.. if not, you'll get a lot of red X's..
(http://mareimbrium.dyndns.org:8080/imgs/homer_drool.gif[IMG][IMG]http://b5fc.dyndns.org:7999/mareimbrium/atheorhaven/imgs/homer_drool.gif)
And just to be sure, I'll attach the renderings I did of the ship to keep it relevant.. if the imgs work, I can put the ship up for download as well..
Post by: FPF-Wanderer on March 03, 2005, 11:51:22 pm
Post by: atheorhaven on March 07, 2005, 07:33:56 am
ftp://67.136.232.124/atheorhaven/TOS_Excelsior.zip
Hope that that's right. :)
If not, get onto the FTP server, you should find a folder up there with my name on it, go in there and you should see it...
Post by: Rhaz on March 08, 2005, 09:34:28 am
I can't get to the ftp site - I think I've got all of my setting correct, but I keep getting "Can't open data connection" errors in Mozilla. In IE - I'm getting "can't find server"
Post by: ModelsPlease on September 26, 2005, 12:42:23 pm
-MP
Post by: OlBuzzard on September 26, 2005, 04:24:04 pm
To think this one started almost 2 years ago !
Post by: atheorhaven on September 27, 2005, 01:22:12 am
Post by: Rhaz on September 28, 2005, 08:20:49 am
Post by: atheorhaven on September 28, 2005, 08:11:23 pm
Well worth the wait Alec.!
As long as she's used and enjoyed, I'm happy. :) Screenies of it being used ingame by anyone.... I'm estatic. That's pure gold for me... so if anyone ever gets the idea to send me some screenshots and are worrying about it filling my Inbox... I have a Gmail account and I store all my email locally. Feel free, please! :D
I'd love to see the ship get into scrapes, and am sitting here without any new screenies from any ship that I've worked on for almost 2 years now. :p
Post by: atheorhaven on September 29, 2005, 12:35:02 pm
atheorhaven mind if i try a quick retexture for a giggle as i cant do any huge ammounts of work as sorting out my new house (most recent additions to people living with me is my freind russel and his 3 childern who i should be gagging soon and tying to the chairs:P ) but the textures should be nice and quick
Go for it... I followed my usual tradition on this one of using Atolm's own textures as a basis and built them up.. Doing this from scratch textures, I'd have gone for something more in line with Lord Schtupp's work. :D
You'll find some weird texture mapping on this though, be forewarned. ;)