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Title: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: Tus-XC on November 14, 2005, 01:35:38 pm
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=33262

Braga: I'm Done With Trek

Longtime Star Trek producer Brannon Braga told SCI FI Wire that he's done with the franchise, at least for now and for the foreseeable future. "At the moment, yeah," Braga said in an interview. "There will be a lot of fans cheering about that," he added wryly, referring to the often caustic fan criticism directed at him during his 15 years as a writer and producer on Trek series and movies.

Since the end of Star Trek: Enterprise earlier this year after four seasons on the air, there have been no plans announced for either a new Trek film or TV series for the first time in 18 years. But Braga said that, even if there were, he would likely turn down any chance to be part of it. "At this point, most likely not," Braga said. "Just having come off so many years on the show and having done something different, I just don't think I would be ready now. Nor do I think they would necessarily ask me. But if they came to me today, I would have to be very flattered, but politely decline."

Braga served as co-creator and executive producer of Star Trek: Enterprise. Braga began his tenure with the Trek franchise in 1990 as a writer/producer on The Next Generation. In 1995, he was appointed executive producer of Star Trek: Voyager. Braga wrote more than 150 Trek episodes, including the Next Generation series finale "All Good Things ... ," which earned him the Hugo Award for excellence in science fiction writing. Braga also co-wrote the movies Star Trek: Generations and Star Trek: First Contact, which became the highest-grossing of the nine Star Trek films. Braga worked closely with the other longtime executive producer of Trek, Rick Berman.

Braga is now an executive producer on CBS' new SF drama Threshold and has left Trek behind. "You know how it is," he said. "You did something for a long time. Star Trek was very good to me. And I certainly did my best to contribute to Star Trek. But there just comes a point where I'm not sure what else I would have to give. I certainly could see the financial value in it, but at this point, creatively, I would not want to be involved in something that I couldn't give to."

Threshold moves to a new timeslot, Tuesdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, beginning Nov. 22.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: EmeraldEdge on November 14, 2005, 01:59:11 pm
Yipee!  The down side is that it leaves the door open.  I wonder if this was the political style "I'm done and moving on of my own desire" where you've pretty much been told you're done, but allowed to retire or go elsewhere without the embarrasment of having been publicly given the boot.  I remember seeing some interview somewhere where some guy said that a lot of the garbage wasn't B&B's fault.  If not them, who?  Probably the janitor pressured the executive producers into it, right?  Ugh!  I haven't seen Threshold yet, but I find myself hoping it will die a fairly quick death.  Maybe the move to tuesdays...
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 14, 2005, 02:59:49 pm
and someone please shoot him in the @ss on the way out......



who's next????
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: el-Karnak on November 14, 2005, 03:56:15 pm
Trek is not making money for Paramount anymore. So, is it a surprise to anyone?
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: IndyShark on November 14, 2005, 06:29:24 pm
Good. It's time for someone else to take charge and re energize Star Trek. Braga was burned out.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: OlBuzzard on November 15, 2005, 08:00:49 am
IMHO ..   not everything he did was bad ...  but that said between him and his other "B&B" counterpart they drove the "Enterprise" series in the dirt.  You can see the arrogance of certain officials eeking out of "Threshold".  Perhaps that is where Brent Spinner belongs as well.  (I think they make a good couple).

Yes we do need to see life back into Trek.  I saw a model that someone did that would make an excellent refit for the "E" if they would use it.

Or ...  if they chose to do another intermediate step between the NX-1 and the TOS era would also be cool.

There are always possibilities, if they will only look at it ....  and take the time to develop it properly.  I guess that is why I hated to see "Enterprise" die as it did.  They were just starting to "connect the dots" properly.  Then the last couple of episodes stunk so bad ....  I hated the way they killed off Trever ( I think that was the one) ...   

OY ..  I'm ready for some positive stuff to be written for Trek now !
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: Sirgod on November 15, 2005, 08:22:33 am
Don't give Up Buzz, Between the Fan Fiction, and the Novels, I think Trek will be around for a long long time. If we could just Get Garfield/Stephenswritting some new Episodes, We'd have IT made.

Stephen
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 10:20:42 am
Don't give Up Buzz, Between the Fan Fiction, and the Novels, I think Trek will be around for a long long time. If we could just Get Garfield/Stephenswritting some new Episodes, We'd have IT made.

Stephen




Not that my writing is better than anyone else's, but this is the first time that I've been moved to write Virtual Seasons..... I've got one episode done, and more in the works. Have a look http://startrekenterprisevirtualseasons.blogspot.com/if you're curious. I'd love opinions.....



Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: Sirgod on November 15, 2005, 10:35:53 am
I will do just that Kapact.

Stephen
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 10:58:41 am
I will do just that Kapact.

Stephen


thanks. Feel free to email me about it if you want..... you should be able to click on the little email button..... or just use this..


kapact@xtra.co.nz



Cheers


Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: OlBuzzard on November 15, 2005, 01:29:29 pm
I also wrote a short story for one of Nanners servers ..   It was actually several pages long ..  not just a few paragraphs ..  I should clean it up and put it up some where.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 01:45:22 pm
I also wrote a short story for one of Nanners servers ..   It was actually several pages long ..  not just a few paragraphs ..  I should clean it up and put it up some where.


send it to me if you want... I'd like a look at it....



Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: OlBuzzard on November 15, 2005, 03:39:16 pm
They're a bit rough (IMHO) ...  and several pages.

The setting is late TNG ... as we also used a number of names from various active fleets in the SFC community (at least they were active then).

It would need to be rewritten, cleaned up ...  and some of the names changed to be more apropos.

Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: E_Look on November 15, 2005, 09:51:10 pm
To change to subject a bit, I think the idea someone just brought up here is good- a series dealing with the period after Archer's prototype starship leading up to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy lugging their luggage off the Constitution-class NCC-1701 after five years of spitting at Klingons and Romulans.

That is, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION AND INITIAL WARS WITH KLINKS AND ROMS!!!
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 09:54:05 pm
To change to subject a bit, I think the idea someone just brought up here is good- a series dealing with the period after Archer's prototype starship leading up to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy lugging their luggage off the Constitution-class NCC-1701 after five years of spitting at Klingons and Romulans.

That is, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION AND INITIAL WARS WITH KLINKS AND ROMS!!!



This isn't quite what you're talking about I don't think, but my Virtual Season Five will kick off the Romulan Wars. I have Major Stiles as a MACO right now. He'll see a quick promotion to Captain.




Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: OlBuzzard on November 15, 2005, 10:03:03 pm
I hope you guys are not refering to the 100 year war between the Feddies and the Klingon ...

After all .. it never took place in Trek.  That was a SFB thingy.

(sorry .. not trying to start anything)
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 10:05:36 pm
I hope you guys are not refering to the 100 year war between the Feddies and the Klingon ...

After all .. it never took place in Trek.  That was a SFB thingy.

(sorry .. not trying to start anything)



I'm not. I'm talking Romulan Wars..... and no real declaration of war with the Klingons.... just ongoing skirmishes.....


Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: OlBuzzard on November 15, 2005, 10:11:32 pm
I hope you guys are not refering to the 100 year war between the Feddies and the Klingon ...

After all .. it never took place in Trek.  That was a SFB thingy.

(sorry .. not trying to start anything)



I'm not. I'm talking Romulan Wars..... and no real declaration of war with the Klingons.... just ongoing skirmishes.....




hmmm

interesting !
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 15, 2005, 10:13:02 pm
I hope you guys are not refering to the 100 year war between the Feddies and the Klingon ...

After all .. it never took place in Trek.  That was a SFB thingy.

(sorry .. not trying to start anything)



I'm not. I'm talking Romulan Wars..... and no real declaration of war with the Klingons.... just ongoing skirmishes.....




hmmm

interesting !


I'll add a link to the public posting I have for my episodes.....
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: Dash Jones on November 16, 2005, 03:24:47 pm
To change to subject a bit, I think the idea someone just brought up here is good- a series dealing with the period after Archer's prototype starship leading up to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy lugging their luggage off the Constitution-class NCC-1701 after five years of spitting at Klingons and Romulans.

That is, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION AND INITIAL WARS WITH KLINKS AND ROMS!!!



This isn't quite what you're talking about I don't think, but my Virtual Season Five will kick off the Romulan Wars. I have Major Stiles as a MACO right now. He'll see a quick promotion to Captain.






I thought Federation Rank had it as Ensign, Junior Lt., Lt., Lt. Commander, Commander, and then Captain?
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: EmeraldEdge on November 16, 2005, 04:15:59 pm
For some reason I thought the MACO guys existed as part of a military body seperate from Starfleet.  Wouldn't making him the captain of a starship be like making somebody who has spent his military career as a tank commander into the commanding officer of a naval ship?  Maybe I've got it wrong, though.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: Dash Jones on November 16, 2005, 04:32:59 pm
For some reason I thought the MACO guys existed as part of a military body seperate from Starfleet.  Wouldn't making him the captain of a starship be like making somebody who has spent his military career as a tank commander into the commanding officer of a naval ship?  Maybe I've got it wrong, though.

That would make two of us.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 16, 2005, 04:39:08 pm
To change to subject a bit, I think the idea someone just brought up here is good- a series dealing with the period after Archer's prototype starship leading up to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy lugging their luggage off the Constitution-class NCC-1701 after five years of spitting at Klingons and Romulans.

That is, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION AND INITIAL WARS WITH KLINKS AND ROMS!!!



This isn't quite what you're talking about I don't think, but my Virtual Season Five will kick off the Romulan Wars. I have Major Stiles as a MACO right now. He'll see a quick promotion to Captain.






I thought Federation Rank had it as Ensign, Junior Lt., Lt., Lt. Commander, Commander, and then Captain?


yeah, but MACO uses Major, etc.....
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 16, 2005, 04:50:18 pm
For some reason I thought the MACO guys existed as part of a military body seperate from Starfleet.  Wouldn't making him the captain of a starship be like making somebody who has spent his military career as a tank commander into the commanding officer of a naval ship?  Maybe I've got it wrong, though.


You're right.... but things will blow up a bit. MACO loses its unofficial status, merges with Starfleet..... and there is a recruitment drive. See, the Romulans are going to hit hard and fast, and scare people a bit. I mean, B&B left them with real time comm with Earth, the idiots. So that's the first thing the Romulans take out.......
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: EmeraldEdge on November 16, 2005, 07:46:40 pm
Even still, wouldn't there be a more qualified person for a captains seat (I'm assuming he's not the captain of a freighter or something)?  Someone with Starfleet (translated as Starship operations) training, rather than ground combat training?  I'm not trying to bash anything, btw.  It's you're story and you're entitled to do anything you want with it, just wondering how things are justified in the storyline.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 16, 2005, 08:38:57 pm
Even still, wouldn't there be a more qualified person for a captains seat (I'm assuming he's not the captain of a freighter or something)?  Someone with Starfleet (translated as Starship operations) training, rather than ground combat training?  I'm not trying to bash anything, btw.  It's you're story and you're entitled to do anything you want with it, just wondering how things are justified in the storyline.


Hey, I appreciate opinions..... I mean, I know it's a wild idea, but imagine if people making Trek actually gave a %%$^% about what people thought????


Seriously though, you're right. I've been thinking about that.... and what may happen is that Major Stiles gets killed by the Romulans, and that drives a brother (in line for a command somewhere..... maybe for the Daedelus project) to want revenge. Not that I need to use Stiles, but I've already brought him in as a MACO, in my season five premiere, "Leap of Faith"  ::)  ;D , and I don't want to change that. So maybe we can see the origins of the Stiles family drama. Thoughts?
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Crim on November 18, 2005, 02:45:03 pm
Jeez...how could I miss this birthday present!

Look..I'm doing the happy dance :spam:

Good riddence...
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: FPF-SCM_TraceyG_XC on November 19, 2005, 10:48:21 pm
Star Trek is full of inconsistencies, its always has been. Its the product of a geberational TV show that has had many different writers and producers, as well as a plethora of fan fiction and fan created material that becomes obsolete when 'new' cannon material is produced. Some of the best Trek novels, such as "Federation", were exceptional (sadly, these are exceptional also in that many Trek novels are little more than pulp fiction), and described many events that were not seen in movies or the TV series. In particular, Federation describes the birth of warp flight and the story of Zephram Cochrane, which all became obsolete when First Contact was written.

Unfortunately, Berman and Braga took this level of inconsistency to a new height. I never actually watched Enterprise on TV, and read much about the croticisms people were making of it. However, all 4 seasons are now released on DVD (the last of which was released here in Australia a few weeks ago, thus completing my Star Trek DVD collection - yes, thats right! I have the entire Star Trek collection on DVD!!) and I've been watching the entire series from start to end (only up to season 3 at the moment). While I am, in fact, enjoying the series a great deal, there are a few inconsistencies which I am finding to be very annoying. The episode that has the Ferengi in it, for example. While I actually liked the episode, my impression was that it was an attempt to bring back some of the old style TOS humour that has been sorely lacking from Trek for awhile, using the Ferengi in the episode was reallt just a bit too incongrous for my tastes. For example, if it was possible to stumble across the Ferengi in the 22nd century, then certainly by the 23rd, there would have been more such incidents, let alone the 24th where the Ferengi were initially described as a previously unknown race with very little contact.

The next inconsistency which I found to be just a bit too blatant and entirely uneccessary was discovering photon torpedo launchers on a Klingon ship. In the Original series, the script writer's guide descibed the Klingons and their technology for use by script writers of the show, and the main weapon used by Klngons was called a "Sonic Disruptor pistol". This was also extrapolated later to onboard ship mounted versions. The first time we ever saw Klingons actually use Photon Torpedos was in Star Trek the Motion Picture, the K'Tinga class which had fore and aft photon torpedo tubes. Yet in STIII, a Klingon Bird of Prey is once again armed with Disriptors, as both Klingons and Romulans are in TNG. The K'Tinga class, then, seens to be an aberation, and conjecturely we can allow this inconsitency by assuming that after contact with the Federation for what would have been quite some time by then, that Federation technology had been stolen or copied, just as the Klingons and Romulans had traded technology giving the Klingons a cloaking device. According to Enterprise, however, it was the Federation who copied the Photon technology from the Klingons (Archer makes a comment that he has never heard of Photon Torpedoes when he discovers them on the wrecked Klingon vessel) and then later, we see the Enterprise being refitted with them.

My personal opinion, is that both Braga and Berman had become accustomed to the freedom of creativity they had had with TNG, DS9 and Voyager, the latter in particular. Voyager, out in the Delta Quadrant, was far enough removed from anything previously seen in Trek, that just about anything could be created and it would be believable. Yet, when creating a TV show that is based on historical content, such leverege of artistic license becomes severely curtailed. While both Braga and Berman discuss this in the bonus material interviews on the DVDs, claiming that they wanted to stick with the Original feel of TOS as much as possible, they achieved this only to varying degrees. The set of Enterprise, the hairstyles, and even thhe uniforms do seem to have qualities where this is apparent, nevertheless, there are other areas where consistency was completely ignored. The conspt of Enterprise was an excellent one, however, in my opinion, Braga and Berman were still trying to make it look like a TNG series, despite their comments to the contrary. I attribute this to the pursuit of ratings, since TNG was very successful and also to Paramount and its favouring TNG over TOS.
Title: Re: !!NEWSFLASH!! BRAGA DONE WITH TREK
Post by: KBF-Kapact on November 21, 2005, 07:39:05 pm
you know.... that smart, you really should fly Klingon.....



 ;D