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Taldrenites => Starfleet Command Models => Topic started by: Shadowfleet on January 06, 2008, 10:26:57 am
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New ENTERPRISE F needed ASAP! http://www.darkerprojects.com/lostfrontier.html
Oh how I wish I could model and not just bash :(
Darker Projects is a site that has some pretty good Fan Based ST Fiction audio stories. Many of you might be surprised at the quality – of the stories and the production. I download and listen to them in the car or during physical therapy exercises.
They have a new project (a little like a cross between Andromeda and Star Trek) that needs an awesome design for the 1701-F.
I know one of you all can do it! Raven updated us on some really original stuff a few months back - bring 'em on man. Atolm is always original - grab a pencil. Wicked Zombie, pa-leez come out of the crypt for this one. F9 - do it man. Old Buzz you can still fly! AsYlUm, dude you make connie fans crazy! Pepperman - spice this comp up! TUS – give us one with some ‘tude. FW – you’re not down, you’re not out, you’re always in the fight. Queball, put this one in the corner pocket! All of the above and so many of you are creative geniuses – you know the canon and yet you keep it original. Create. Let there be light!
If the SFC community builds it I know it'll be great. Although Pocket Book’s Titan is growing on me - it would have been SO MUCH better if it had come from here.
BUT that was a fan based design to commercial fiction -- this is fan based design to fan based fiction. We could create a synergistic effect that could spread like the Genesis Wave throughout the Universe -- sparking creativity beyond the last frontier... making even the Great Bird proud.
Please visit this link http://www.darkerprojects.com/lostfrontier.html for more information.
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Flattery will only get you a Connie kitbash. :-p Just kidding. ;D
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Impressive opening - you should be a public speaker!
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How do we know he isn't? :)
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Just as a suggestion.. the community here already has an awesome candidate for an Enterprise F, and has had one for several years:
(grabbed this from Cleeves')
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Damn, I LOVE that Soulwolf class.
Very well done!
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.. so do I, and I've always seen it as a viable extension of the line.. especially when you look at the Prometheus Class..
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Just as a suggestion.. the community here already has an awesome candidate for an Enterprise F, and has had one for several years:
(grabbed this from Cleeves')
seems to me i'm workin on the refit to that shippy... ;)
(http://outalance.battleclinic.com/tus/images2/soulwolf90-4.jpg)
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Tus, Why not refit your majestic (longer nacelles and a few bells and whistles you'd expect on the flagship like extra armament, improvements ect) because that thing has the look of a possible next enterprise. Or atleast it does to me. I just hope they don't pass up some truely original sh*t for a kitbash like they did for the titan. Yea, the titan is nice, but it's still a bash, and there were plenty off good original runner ups...
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I must say I've always been fond of the Century-class by DJcurtis when it comes to an Enterprise-F. The soulwolf just looks too out of style to me, lacking smooth curves and a flowing hull.
(http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/8/files2/82748_4.jpg)
(http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/8/files2/82748_1.jpg)
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I'd easily buy the Centure-class as an Ent -F. More progression toward a flatter design first seen with Voyager. Maybe the feds finally understand the low profile equals harder target design concept.
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And a slimmer hull design means a smaller shield bubble, thus allowing more shield resistance per square metre for the same amount of generated shield energy or more energy rendement to use for other systems.
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Tus, Why not refit your majestic (longer nacelles and a few bells and whistles you'd expect on the flagship like extra armament, improvements ect) because that thing has the look of a possible next enterprise. Or atleast it does to me. I just hope they don't pass up some truely original sh*t for a kitbash like they did for the titan. Yea, the titan is nice, but it's still a bash, and there were plenty off good original runner ups...
I would, atolm has even designed a refit for me, problem is i have 5 unfinished projects, i don't want to add another till i at least finish off 2... maybe 3 of them
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Thanks for all the posts and interest. I know one of you can do it!
BTW - Looks like the winning design will be used in "podcasts".
Grand prize ain't much (itunes credits) but Darker Projects is not for profit and fan based. Maybe Paramount will get some ideas from the design snd the fiction for future projects.
::)
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I really don't think you'd want me to "design" you an Ent-F...I say this, because my stuff has a tendency to be scrutenized a bit too much as to what Trek "is" and "is not".
So you got the Wolf up there...use her, that design is rather tame.
Oh and if anyone(s) (their could always be a collaborated idea) is willing to tackle this I'm sure they would just do it for the sake of doing it.
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I agree with you Jay1886, the Century Class design would apear right for the Enterprise F, rathen than the Soulwolf Class...
Adam
To each their own.. the Century Class to me simply looks like a fat Soverign, where the Soulwolf is a paradigm shift along the lines of the Ambassador > Galaxy transition. And that more reflects the way that Federation ship design seemed to go if you follow C > D > E
Honest opinion..
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I agree with you Jay1886, the Century Class design would apear right for the Enterprise F, rathen than the Soulwolf Class...
Adam
To each their own.. the Century Class to me simply looks like a fat Soverign, where the Soulwolf is a paradigm shift along the lines of the Ambassador > Galaxy transition. And that more reflects the way that Federation ship design seemed to go if you follow C > D > E
Honest opinion..
I definitely agree. The Century isn't a terrible design, but it looks way too derivative of the Sovereign.
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I agree with you Jay1886, the Century Class design would appear right for the Enterprise F, rathen than the Soulwolf Class...
Adam
To each their own.. the Century Class to me simply looks like a fat Sovereign, where the Soulwolf is a paradigm shift along the lines of the Ambassador > Galaxy transition. And that more reflects the way that Federation ship design seemed to go if you follow C > D > E
Honest opinion..
There isn't a lot of change between the three designs. There isn't a lot of change between any of the six Enterprise designs on the basic level. What change there is was mostly cosmetic. The C is an intentional derivative of the D and the Excelsior, the A was a remake of the original, looking at the Excelsior you can see the influence of the A and the E is a mix of all the previous.
Really interesting article on the design of the E. (http://www.robsacc.nl/_forgottentrek/tng_3.php)
A balanced mix of the Soulwolf with the Sovereign is more likely to be received favorably.
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Before First Contact came out, I was really hoping that the "E" was closer to a large version of the Defiant or Steamrunner with integrated warp engines.
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Before First Contact came out, I was really hoping that the "E" was closer to a large version of the Defiant or Steamrunner with integrated warp engines.
Its funny you say that, because i did an interstellar-class Ent-E that had an intergrated hull-nacelle ideology, back when TNG had the Gal destroyed in Generations
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Show us, show us please!
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There isn't a lot of change between the three designs. There isn't a lot of change between any of the six Enterprise designs on the basic level. What change there is was mostly cosmetic. The C is an intentional derivative of the D and the Excelsior, the A was a remake of the original, looking at the Excelsior you can see the influence of the A and the E is a mix of all the previous.
Really interesting article on the design of the E. ([url]http://www.robsacc.nl/_forgottentrek/tng_3.php[/url])
A balanced mix of the Soulwolf with the Sovereign is more likely to be received favorably.
So you'd be more looking at something like this then?
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More likely something closer to this. Though a little more neck wouldn't hurt.
(http://www.weblogimages.com/v.p?uid=vipre&pid=586331&sid=ZbA10kzAM0)
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Hrmm, I find the vulture neck of the Soulwolf overkill I must say. It has so many sharp angles that if it's made redish/orange it would make a good Mirak vessel also. I do like Vipres example though.
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To each they're own...
Anyway, here's a revamped version of my old design
Interstellar-Class (in hindsight, I guess its an indirect homage for you Intermech... ;) )
Enjoy:
(http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/37633/2001090040588728272_rs.jpg)
(http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/39292/2001098718371262559_rs.jpg)
Anyway i might totally refine it some more...dunno though.
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That's a wicked looking ship, nice job.
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That's a wicked looking ship, nice job.
Agreed. A very hot design, as are almost all of Atolm's works. It doesn't work for me as an Ent-F design though. This design has more of a TNG Andromedan design to me. But, as Atolm says, 'to each their own'.
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Atolm - I like it and I think it would be an excellent entry for the Darker Projects 1701F it looks like a "Dark Enterprise", sleek and deadly - yet so beautiful it'd make yo lose your breath the first time you saw it against the stars!
Anyone want to try the mesh?
If not -- That top view sketch looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! Atolm, can you do a clearer bottom - front - rear - side sketch and send them off as an entry? Even if it doesn't win maybe the additional sketches will motivate someone enough to fire up Max and make your vision a virtual reality!
Thanks for sharing!
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Looks great and would be a groundbreaking Trek design. I wouldn't know where to start as far as meshing it goes. Although, I know who could. I'm not going to throw him under the bus and name names. ;) Looks friggin awesome though.
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More likely something closer to this. Though a little more neck wouldn't hurt.
([url]http://www.weblogimages.com/v.p?uid=vipre&pid=586331&sid=ZbA10kzAM0[/url])
Ick. Sorry, the Soulwolf just doesn't work with short pylons.
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It'd no longer be the Soulwolf if rebuilt like that. It's just an example of what I think a show exec would be more likely to accept as a blend of Sovereign and Soulwolf. I'd prefer something closer to this for a blend.
(http://www.weblogimages.com/v.p?uid=vipre&pid=586436&sid=aCG82cjsN2)
The pylons aren't much shorter than the original.
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Shadowfleet, The Interstellar-class will not be entered...I posted it because you wanted to see it.
I already have an Ent-F...its the Soulwolf.
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I like the SoulWolf - I just like the new design better :-[.
Most importantly - neither of the designs is mine, they come from your imagination and skilled work as an artist. Folks may not like everything you design but if they are like me -- they admire everything you design because it sparks our imagination.
Thanks again for sharing. :)
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Try this on for size.. it's something I've had hiding in a notebook for a couple of years:
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Nice spin on Steamrunner lineage, I like it - makes a nice change and logical to see a few other ships with this kind of structure. Not sure if it's Ent-F, but I'd but overjoyed to see it made! :D
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Hello ShadowFleet,
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I'll put it into a Beta test if your interested, should only take 2 weeks for beta test then i'll create the installer.
ShadowLord WorfHonour ;D
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I have to say my choice is Azel's original Soulwolf. With TUS updating the model, it's a winner for sure. However... the Dark Phoenix design has alot of potential as well.
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No respectable modelers would build the Alliance. The original author of the ship doesn't want it to be duplicated in anyway, and from what I know, he's a very respected person in the general modeling community. So they respect his wishes.
I've asked about this model before and found all this out.
I would love to see this ship made for either SFC, BC, or even Legacy, but I doubt it'll ever happen. Not unless you really want some hell to pay.
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Really? It doesn't look THAT impressive... just a Sovereign/Galaxy hybrid, sheesh.
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While I like the Dark Phoenix design, it seems like a step backward in design lineage from the Sovereign. I don't envision it as a feasible Ent - F.
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I think the next step up from the Sovereign design is a solid hull design, where hull, nacelles and saucer are one whole.
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I think the next step up from the Sovereign design is a solid hull design, where hull, nacelles and saucer are one whole.
I can't see that as a logical next step - for small warships it is understandable, but not for large scale exploration cruisers that the Enterprises have always been.
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I agree, the enterprise has always had certain elements to its design. if it changed too drastically it just wouldn't be an enterprise. It be a nice looking ship but not an enterprise. The design lineage really has a certain feel to it, you know what I mean? The basics of that shape is the beauty of it. I would dare say nothing posted so far is a fair successor to the enterprise. All very nice ships but in all the cases something feels off. (by the way I mean absolutly no offense to anyone with that statement as you are all brilliant designers and I love your work. Especially the soulwolf.) Just none of these feel like a true successor. I dare say we'd all attack the enterprise-j savagely if it had been more important to a series but since it was little more than talk and some ackward camera angles in a single episode anyone who likes it is happy and anyone who doesn't can very easily ignore it. Anyway, I'm ranting but I would love to see some great new ideas for a 1701-F come out of this.
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Okay, not to keep dragging this out.. but I did a comparison of the ships in side views just to show a bit of the lineage.. I put in the NX, TOS, TMP, Sovereign, Soulwolf, and conjectural side view of the J (as done up on the Blender forums). The J side view in the Blender forums was built using what details could be gleaned from the limited views shown of it on Enterprise. Personally, I still see the Soulwolf as a plausible extension of the line if the development continued towards the J as shown in Enterprise.
Anyone looking to doing an "F" should consider the history of the ships, and incorporate elements for the previous ships, as well as adding something new and exciting.
I think that Chris did a fantastic job in doing that, and Tus' refit adds extra polies that smooths out some of the lower poly aspects of the original Soulwolf design and just makes it that much more plausible to me.
But YMMV, and to each their own..
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:) Reminder: Deadline for entry is 15 Jan 08.
Thanks for all the great discussion - I was surprised at how much interest this thread generated!
Whether anyone enters their design into the Darker Projects competition or not, I've enjoyed your thoughts.
Good luck!
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(http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/40489/2006030166343636370_rs.jpg)
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so you mean tomorrow, oh well theres goes my chance to design an Ent-F, wait i gave up trying to design an enterprise years ago. too hard to make a design everyone loves. I personally don't think the Soulwolf or the Century Class's are Enterprise worthy, no disrespect to either artist of course but it takes so much to build a design that everyone loves and even then you will have people who disagree. But good luck to all those that entered. Lets hope we don't get another bash like the Luna class
LOL... if you remember, the NX design was pretty reviled among many Trek fans.
The Soulwolf works perfectly as an Ent-F design for me - it's an excellent combination of the traditional Enterprise design and a paradigm shift in Starfleet ship designs that seems perfectly plausible in an era decades after the Sovereign. Personally, I think Tus' refit should be entered in the contest, as it would probably be the best and most sensible design that makes it in. A design doesn't have to be universally loved to be a good design.
But hey, to each their own. ;)
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LOL... if you remember, the NX design was pretty reviled among many Trek fans.
Hey, whaddaya mean, "was"? ;D
I do however agree with you here, Kieran. Atolm's Soulwolf class is just out there enough without going to far. It would be a great next step in the lineage. Gets my vote as the Enterprise-F.
The ship doesn't look so hot from fore/aft as she looks at the same time spindly (nacelles) and bulky (neck), but the other views are really cool.
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Please forgive my necro-posting, but is there a winner?
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I'll go over to the Darker Projects site on the the 1st of Febri=uary and check. The winner is supposed to be announced then. I'll give everryone an update here when it's posted.