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Taldrenites => Starfleet Command Fan Fiction => Topic started by: Andromeda on July 18, 2008, 03:23:37 pm
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TMP era, smaller than the Constitution class. Not an explorer or heavy cruiser but something that would work inside controlled space.
Thanks in advance.
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How about the SFC Okinawa class frigate?
(http://www.starbase23.net/cgi-bin\ffg01.jpg)
Accordng to the Klingon Academy stats on her, she has a crew of 80 and is 183m long. I figure her to be about 5 decks tall.
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TMP era, smaller than the Constitution class. Not an explorer or heavy cruiser but something that would work inside controlled space.
Thanks in advance.
You could also consider the Akula Class, or the Akyazi Class.
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Also thought of the Phobos Class. That might also be suitable.
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What about a Podesti Class cruiser (CR 2400).... which has simialr lines to the Enterprise Class, apart from the virually non existant neck and longer hangar deck.
Then there are the rebuilt TOS era Victory (CM 980) and Viceroy (CM 990) medium cruisers, which have interestingly different hull design. Both are internal space non-exploration starships. Both are very small classes, with the Viceroy being derived from the earlier Victory class.
Both are slightly larger than a Miranda and equally as radical in hull shape.
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Okay, after some research I'm down to the following:
Miranda, Soyuz, Akula, and Okinawa. What can you tell me about each (or direct me to)?
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Miranda and Soyuz are derivatives of each other.
Miranda is basically a combat ship, NCL/NCA class, while the Soyuz is a science version with the same space frame.
Akula is a DD, pure and simple. Its SFC's version of the Saladin.
Okinawa, is a FF, I don't know much about that one.
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Puts me down to Miranda and Okinawa.
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Miranda and Soyuz are derivatives of each other.
Miranda is basically a combat ship, NCL/NCA class, while the Soyuz is a science version with the same space frame.
Akula is a DD, pure and simple. Its SFC's version of the Saladin.
Okinawa, is a FF, I don't know much about that one.
Actually the Soyuz was geared more for patrol and combat than science. Limited production meant for patrol/defense and to fill gaps in the fleet structure on a stable design that could be produced quickly with minimal resources. The Miranda hull was the perfect choice because of the modularity of the hull design.
The Mirandas were meant to be every bit as versatile as the Constitutions, but have a smaller hull. Suited for combat, patrol, science/exploration, and some diplomatic missions.
The Saladin is a one engine destroyer/escort, with the engine being below the saucer. The Akula is a two engine destroyer/escort, with one engine being above the saucer and the other being below. It's also used in other Trek games. I think KA or Starfleet Academy had it, and I know Shattered Universe had it.
Okinawa is meant for light patrols, rarely ever put near the front lines. Usually monitor the shipping lanes for pirates and raiders and such. Since they're small, they're harder to hit, but faster and more manuverable. That's their greatest advantage should they ever end up in a combat situation, because they are very lightly armed.
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I agree with Centaurus, Rommie. If you want an interior patrol ship, go for the Okinawa. Destroyers like the Loknar/Phobos, Saladin and Akula are still front line ships. Light-cruiser armament without most of the science, exploratory, diplomatic, and deep-space ability of the cruisers. They have crews of around 200.
The Miranda class is a very capable light cruiser with a lots of shuttles and about 300+ crew. If that's not what you're wanting, go with the Okinawa. They;re interior patrol ships, guarding the spacelanes, customs checks, scaring off pirates. They are very maneuverable because they are small, but they are also lightly armed and short on the multirole capabilities of cruisers.
In my current view of the Starfleet (which no doubt Larry will argue or just roll his eyes at), their cruisers are multirole platforms, destroyers are smaller cruisers gutted of their multirole capability but still well armed and more manoeuvrable, and frigates are smaller destroyers with even less weaponry.
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In my current view of the Starfleet (which no doubt Larry will argue or just roll his eyes at), their cruisers are multirole platforms, destroyers are smaller cruisers gutted of their multirole capability but still well armed and more manoeuvrable, and frigates are smaller destroyers with even less weaponry.
[Vulcan]I don't argue. I merely point out the flaws in your theories because they are naturally inferior to mine.[/Vulcan]
:angel: ;D
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That's not [Vulcan], that's [Joe]. ;D
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Oh. Right. My mistake. ;D
An Okinawa type would be my choice, incidentally. Or some ship in that size category.
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Okinawa it is. Thank you all for the input. Do a google search for federation ship classes. This thread is at #3 as of yesterday. Amusing. Very amusing.
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The Soyuz isn't a science vessel..... the books as an support assault frigate due to the Mega Turrets (Ph4) top and bottom.
I run the Soyuz under its designation as an F-FAS.
There are the Knox, Daran, Darter and Decisive classes of frigates, not to mention the Commanche, Kresta and Oberon classes of heavy frigates.
Unlike the Miranda class heavy frigate, which is a rebuilt Surya Class, the Oberon Class is a new build based on the Miranda. The differences are in systems and shielding and a few minor cosmetic differences.
The Know is a shortened hulled Miranda with Ph1s on pylons to cover the rear arcs. However no torpedoes.
The Daran is a Knox minus the pylon phasers with the Darter and Decisve Classes the same except for Drone racks.
The Kresta Class is the Drone version of the Oberon Class (another new build).
The Commanche is the three engined assault frigate version of the Miranda.
"Models Please" has modelled the most of the abov, if not all of them..... where does he find the time??
I've only managed the Knox, Daran, Darter, Decisive and Commanche classes so far plus the Swazey Class patrol frigate.
In the TOS camp there is the Surya, obviously, the long serving Burke Class plus variants and the Quillen (FR 1900 - 1929) which is the Surya with SCNN engines instaed of the more usual PB 32 / PB 47 types.
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Mileage may vary when it comes to defining Star Trek ship classes, Panzer.
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As the title says, now I need a ship model. A jpeg or two will do.
I'm looking for something freighterish that doesn't immediately jump out at you and say "this is so star trek the narrow corridors are 10 feet wide and polished"
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I'm a bit of a fan of ad-hoc starships, freighters and auxilaries. You know, the rear line and fringe edges of the warfront vessels that free up proper warships for the exciting stuff.
SFB makes good use of them to spice up scenarios and campaigns, therfore so do we in our LAN campaigns here. They're also cheap on BPV.
I can have 2 x AuxCVA for the cost of a real CVA. OK, an AuxCVA is just a large freighter fitted with launch tubes, drone racks and stuff, dog slow and handles like a Cadalac, but it is still fun to fly. The Klingon AuxCVA carries more fighters than a D7V so guess what we tend to prefer.... ::)
So I say lets give a well deserved round of applause to those modellers who bother to create the freighter models that make convoy attack or convoy defence missions that much more diverse and colourful.
There are a lot of vacancies for models for SFB plus other commerce, ad hoc warships and other interesting vessels still needed in game.
Mine Laying freighters (F-MS, K-MS, L-MS, F-ML, H-ML, G-ML, etc.) with mine racks visible. have massive explosion value when things go wrong.
Auxilary Carriers with launch tubes / rails, drone racks visible, etc.
Survey Freighters.
Towships.
Barges (civilian lesser tugs).
Tankers (F-AK, K-AK, H-AK, G-AK, etc.)
And then there is the need for commerce facilities (as scenario raid objectives) such as refineries, container depots (where containers and pods await collection / pick up), etc.
All props needed for games.
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What you want will depend on what size of freighter you are looking for. Here's a small tramp feighter from STIII:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Merchantman.jpg
Here also is a Vulcan freighter
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:VulcanFreighter.jpg
For non-canon designs, try the Durance:
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/cargoxporttug_durance.jpg
Or you can browse t he entire selection for the look you want. You can find the Federation part of the site here:
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/federation.html
Happy perusing!
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I do have a fair few commercial vessels I've created myself either from drawings or freestyle.
The Merchantman is already in the shiplist here and a popular choice in LAN pirates versus civilians scenarios.
The stock SFB freighters are well supported for the Feds, Klingons, Gorns and Kzinti, though everyone seems to have ignored the Lyrans, Romulans and Hydrans so far.
A Freight Eagle would be nice too.
Even the Fed free trader and Fed Ex vessels are covered in SFC 1 and SFC 2 as I've already downloaded them.
However, it would be nice to actually attack a proper SFB Hydran freighter rather than the stock game "Dust Buster".
I know that different races have different needs for commerce.... even the Klingons conduct trade.
Bearing in mind that we can't all create a new model as if by magic in a matter of minutes (How does "Models Please" do it??), I've been slowly filling in the holes in the Klingon commerce fleet, when time allows.
I'm thinking of maybe the Romulans need some decent freighters next.
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Thanks all. Your input was very valueable.
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Based on Ship of the Line I took a Soyuz to be typically used in the role of Border Patrol Cutter. A police ship more than a line ship. This, however, may simply be a case of that happened to be Captain Morgan Bateson's assignment with the U.S.S. Bozeman.
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The Soyuz Class is a Fire Support Frigate (FAS), according to several books, hence the Mega Turrets in place of Torpedoes and extended engineering deck to power it all.
For cutters, corvettes, clippers, etc. check out spins offs from the Oberth Class.
Star Fleet wouldn't waste a frigate hull as a cutter, especially a large frigate hull.
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Neither your information nor mine is Canon, Panzer. Considering what Bateson was supposedly up against, Klingons or Romulans, for example, who knows what the Federation would use for border patrol.
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If you calculate some of the weapons power demands against the available power on a hull type, in SFB terms, some hull designs in some diagrams, such as the New Hampshire Class, have serious problems.
I actually modelled a New Hampshire Class for friends to play in LAN games, just to prove the point.... all those Ph4 turrets just suck all the power right up..... and then there's all that maas screwing up the turn mode.
It's a shame that there isn't a package that allows warp profiles to be displayed and even the maximum speed to be shown for a design.... a sort of "Starship Envelope" package, similar to those used by aitrcraft designers.
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The turrets don't soak anything up. It's the phaser capacitor for them. Change your charge rate.
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The Phaser Capacitor still needs power to charge up and a Ph4 Capacitor is a very hungry beast.
I've modelled a New Hampshire Class (8 x Ph4 on a Soyuz Hull) and although it is possible to run at low speed, at the start of the game, and Charge all the 6 x Ph1 and 8 x Ph4 weapons, this isn't always convinent or wise when caught up in the thick of a battle. At in the increased mass and maneuverability penaties that result from this.
The design is just an example where the firepower to power generation balance isn't right and makes for a probematic ship to play in any Star Trek game, especially SFC.
However, it should appeal to tactically niave kids and the like.
Basically the Starfleet equivalent of the 1930's Soviet 5 turreted "Landbattleship" T35 tank which saw all 64 units either destroyed or captured by the Axis invasion of Russia in 1941.... though they did (and still do), look impressive on 1930's Mayday Parade filmstock.
I have a couple of 1:76 Scale models lying around here.
I'm just pointing out that ships (and stations) obviously need a viable role (or roles) as a reason to exist.
These roles can be comercial or millitary, depending on racial modus operandi, as SFB rulebooks point out.
The Klingons, for example, only have two exploration cruisers.... just to seek out new races to pick (and win a fight) with.
There is also the need for diversity in any Navy, as if the enemy finds an Achille's Heel in, say your frigate design, if that is your only frigate design then you have problems.
Frigates and Destroyers make up the bulk of today's naval fleets, yet totting up the vessels available on Blattleclinic, most races seem to have a dearth of cruisers and larger vessels. In fact, I can count the number of Klingon Destroyers available on my fingers.... with a few left over.
As for Klingon Frigates, not counting the tedious numbers of BOP models available, are also pretty paltry in number.
Science vessels, etc. are also in short supply, especially notable for the Federation to carry out its primary goals of exploration.
So, if anyone wants subject matter for a new model project, then come up with a novel (i.e. NOT another pimped BOP hull please :() frigate or destroyer model that looks viable and cool,
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Ack. My thread got away.
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(TMP) Wanderer-Class CoE Support Tender
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(http://www.geocities.com/trekwriter31/Wandererclass_forward.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/trekwriter31/Wandererclass_profile.jpg)
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(http://www.geocities.com/trekwriter31/PandoraClass_BW.JPG)
Pandora-Class Freighter by Kaden and Suricata from "Star Trek: The Breen War" RPG