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Taldrenites => Starfleet Command Models => Topic started by: Mackie on January 17, 2011, 06:57:45 pm
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parts from the abbe class: moonraker, khaliban
parts from the akyazi class: wickedzombie
parts from the constitution class: khaliban
and their retextures: foas
heres the ship in lwo format, up for conversion.
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=106&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=106&sort=1)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Shaker_class-LWO.jpg)
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outstanding! Love it. Let me know when it's released.
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Okay, I really like this Mackie! It would make a great perimeter action ship leader, or some-such. Great imagination on this.
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This will be my F-CM :)
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lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=107&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=107&sort=1)
credits:
parts from nitocris: WZ
parts from loknar: wz, khaliban, lord schtupp, makotokat
retextures: foas
I know its pretty unimaginative... havent bashed much for couple of years so...
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/twister_class.jpg)
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Hello heavy destroyer :). Grabbed.
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Hello heavy destroyer :). Grabbed.
I was also thinking communications ship, surveyor, ect. Very cool, Mackie! Whadaya mean unimaginative??? :notworthy:
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rebashed one of my oldest ships, not exactly what you'd call a carbon copy but its basically the same. pieces taken from same ship classes as with the original.
for comparison, heres the original: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pride_class-LWO.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pride_class-LWO.jpg)
credits:
parts from oberth: p81
parts from akyazi: WZ
parts from enterprise: khaliban
parts from trooper: khaliban
retextures: foas
download lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=87&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=87&sort=1)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pride_class_V2.jpg)
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Frakin sweet
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And I have a new police ship! these are frakin sweet mackie!
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thanks guys :)
ive also started redoing Einherjer and Dodge, i need to rework the miranda roll bar first though, lots of holes in it...
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Very :Dnice
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Well done! Good to see you!
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still as ugly and ridiculous but its one of my personal favourites so i wanted to redo it wether you guys like the ship or not :P
heres the original for comparison: http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class-LWO.jpg (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class-LWO.jpg)
credits:
parts from abbe: Moonraker, Khaliban
parts from miranda: WZ, Zambiezan
parts from new jersey: khaliban
retextures: foas
lwo: http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=26&sort=1 (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=26&sort=1)
http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class_v2.jpg (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class_v2.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class_v2.jpg)
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Add two more warp engines to that please... Ark Royal style or even side by side. That would make a fine FBB, IMHO.
Mackie, any chance for some non Klingon Bird of Prey bashes from you? There are plenty of new Klingon and Romulan ships out there that could use your attention...
Qapla'
KF
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Or snag 2 off a Ulysses. Nice BB
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First, this ship is great!
Second, was that Miranda ever released with that paint job? If so, where can I get that?
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mackie had caught me in a a day where I had a free couple hours between shifts. I uploaded all my MAX files for him to grab.
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Add two more warp engines to that please... Ark Royal style or even side by side. That would make a fine FBB, IMHO.
Mackie, any chance for some non Klingon Bird of Prey bashes from you? There are plenty of new Klingon and Romulan ships out there that could use your attention...
Qapla'
KF
I left it slow & sluggish so that it would have atleast some weakpoints ;D
I am however going to do a refit of the ship that will be more sensible than this...
and klinks yeah why not, i'll need to pester foas about his klinks for that ;)
the only reason why i never really made that many klingon bashes was simply because there never were many matching klingon ships around, until now!
mackie had caught me in a a day where I had a free couple hours between shifts. I uploaded all my MAX files for him to grab.
of which I am very grateful for :)
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...and heres that refit I promised. what has changed?
a. excelsior saucer
b. custom pylons modified from churchill class
c. beefier nacellas from the ulysses class (tried few different arrangements with other nacellas as well but nothing seemed to fit)
d. sacrified shuttlebays 1 and 2 for more impulse engines stolen from an excelsior class refit
e. whatever the hell that thing is called thats now there in the middle of both dishes. found it on the churchill class so i guess it does something?
credits:
parts from abbe: Moonraker, Khaliban
parts from miranda: WZ, Zambiezan
parts from new jersey: khaliban
parts from churchill: cleeve, khaliban
parts from ulysses: WZ
parts from excelsior-b: foas
retextures: foas
lwo: http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=26&sort=1 (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=26&sort=1)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Einherjer_class_refit.jpg)
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Yeah, I like the new version more :)
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Yeah, I like the new version more :)
I do as well.
I have some concerns about the scale of the parts being used.
Are the Ulysses Warp engines really that huge in comparison to the Challenger class (USS Churchill) secondary hulls?
I absolutely LOVE the idea of using the Excelsior saucer. A+ idea there Mackie.
I had a thought about the Abbe torpedo pod, maybe it could be converted into a through deck hangar to augment the Challenger class hangars?
We need an equally cool Klingon, Romulan or other non-Federation monster ship to balance the coolness scale here too Mackie.
Well done!
KF
Qapla'
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I like them all :thumbsup: Tos and :o JJ version please they will fill all era refits . :)
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I love how bad-ass those rollbars look from the sides. And what you've done with the engines on the excelcior version along with the deflectors.
Are you by chance planning the cour de lion as well?
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Yeah, I like the new version more :)
I do as well.
I have some concerns about the scale of the parts being used.
Are the Ulysses Warp engines really that huge in comparison to the Challenger class (USS Churchill) secondary hulls?
I absolutely LOVE the idea of using the Excelsior saucer. A+ idea there Mackie.
I had a thought about the Abbe torpedo pod, maybe it could be converted into a through deck hangar to augment the Challenger class hangars?
We need an equally cool Klingon, Romulan or other non-Federation monster ship to balance the coolness scale here too Mackie.
Well done!
KF
Qapla'
the only things on the ship that arent to scale are the pylons (=somewhat customized), I used the scale of the parts that FOAS had provided :S
And no they arent churchill hulls, theyre a new jersey hulls which are about the same size and shape as those of a constitution class refit, maybe a little wider and longer.
Only those pointy things in the middle of the dishes I used are from the churchill :P
I suppose I could easily whip up a through deck carrier version of the pod, too. which also reminds me, i can do a small carrier ship with just the pod..... and yall know how much i love flying bridges and torpedo pods :D
I have the foas klinks available to me when i want em, as soon as i get back home to my place to my computer i'll start trying to bash something out of em :)
I like them all :thumbsup: Tos and :o JJ version please they will fill all era refits . :)
For a TOS version I dont have the rights parts for yet and whats a JJ version?
with a little tinkering i could do one more refit of it in the dominion war style, with phaser strips instead of tits and all ;D
I love how bad-ass those rollbars look from the sides. And what you've done with the engines on the excelcior version along with the deflectors.
Are you by chance planning the cour de lion as well?
thanks, that kinda was the point :)
Ive tried making the cour de lion a number of times but i never could get it right but i guessi could try again since ive never tried it with these parts and its been a few years since the last attempt!
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JJ version
That would Be from the new AR univeres drom the last movie
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JJ version
That would Be from the new AR univeres drom the last movie
oh ;P while i shouldnt be the one to complain since I produce loads of anything-but-canonical style ships, I really didnt like what they did.
I was kind of okay with the ent series but the movie... well it was a good movie in general, i liked it for the entertaintment value but it was a sh*t movie as far as trek is considered.
I wish that the movies at very least could stick to the already established trek canon since theres plenty of lore yet to be explored but no, instead they seem hellbent on reinventing the whole goddamn franchise.
thank god for great fan made serieses and stories...
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Looking forward to the converted file
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Okay, this will be my last new thread for another bash. -if ill keep dishing these out in the near future this quick ill just open up a "projects thread"...
As for the ship, this isnt very big or well armed.
Its just a large box with the ability to come and go under its own power that carries a rather large number of shuttles/fighters/landing craft... and commandos.
Supposed to be supported by the rest of the fleet, not intented to carry out missions on its own.
I think you get where im going with this :p
credits:
parts from abbe: moonraker, khaliban
parts from new jersey: khaliban
parts from excelsior-b: foas
parts from miranda: wz, zambiezan
parts from akyazi: wz
parts from oberth: p81
retextures: foas
lwo: http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=68&sort=1 (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=68&sort=1)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Karu_class.jpg)
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NOICE!!!
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I wasnt exactly sure if there would be any ship type in sfc that would be a match for this ship, i made it with bridge commander in mind and was thinking of making it a mothership type vessel which it could be detachable from :)
btw, karu = "strange but kinda cool" in finnish ;D
I am well aware knowing that is going to kinda ruin this for someone but i just couldnt think of a better name so... :D
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Nice work Mackie! Very imaginative use of the Oberth engines too. Thanks for the Finnish language lesson too!
Now that hangar pod should find its way on to the latest Abbe class to make an additional light carrier as well.
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So noted, KF :)
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I'd suggest putting a shuttle in scale next to her to get an idea as to how many shuttles she would carry
Looks like she could carry quite a few. ;D
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Looks like some strange cousin of the Sydney class (Jenolen, et all). Very interesting.
Now if only SFC and the like had such places for these vehicles.
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Beautifull design :thumbsup:
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ACK! i just realized... reminds me of the Defiant!
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yeah it looks like these just keep on coming for now :P
minow class police ship... or monitor? -something like that.
credits:
parts from miranda: wz, zambiezan
parts from star league: khaliban, p81
parts from nitocris: wz
parts from okinawa: wz
retextures: foas
lwo: http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=86&sort=1 (http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=86&sort=1)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/minow_class.jpg)
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Doesn't feel massive enough to be a monitor (at least, I imagine them massive). Would definitely work great as a Police ship, though :)
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Doesn't feel massive enough to be a monitor (at least, I imagine them massive). Would definitely work great as a Police ship, though :)
yeah well I dont know how these things work out, as in class types ;D
I suppose that police ship it is since its for patrolling already held systems, dealing with minor issues.
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No worries. That's pretty much what I do: go for an idea and let other people sort out the details I don't want to bother with. Just thought I'd share my impression :). Btw: Your Trooper (and my rebash since) is what I use as a Fed Monitor. Btw: As far as the trooper, davids, firebrand, etc: Obviously if you want to come up with better bashes than what I've made: feel free, I'd rather use yours anyways :)
also: I took the liberty of merging all your topics into this one :).
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No worries. That's pretty much what I do: go for an idea and let other people sort out the details I don't want to bother with. Just thought I'd share my impression :). Btw: Your Trooper (and my rebash since) is what I use as a Fed Monitor. Btw: As far as the trooper, davids, firebrand, etc: Obviously if you want to come up with better bashes than what I've made: feel free, I'd rather use yours anyways :)
also: I took the liberty of merging all your topics into this one :).
Thanks for the merger, i was about to ask for you to do this anyway ;D
I can definitely redo some of those, davids is a really simple ship so that doesnt really need any improvement (nor is there really room for any now that the design is what it is) though....
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No worries.
At your leisure/inclination; Figured I'd just state my intention to yield to you when it comes to your designs (a common sense "duh" thing to do, but I want to be clear). :)
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Trooper and Behemoth classes rebashed.
heres the original behemoth for comparison, it was the ship I developed trooper from.
http://stupidfusion.com/files/mods_sfc2op/behemoth_class.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/mods_sfc2op/behemoth_class.jpg)
credits:
trooper class
parts from (foas version) trooper: khaliban
parts from enterprise: khaliban
retextures: foas
behemoth class
parts from (foas version) trooper: khaliban
parts from enterprise: khaliban
parts from akyazi: wz
retextures: foas
lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=113&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=113&sort=1)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/trooper_and_behemoth_class_V2.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/trooper_and_behemoth_class_V2.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/trooper_and_behemoth_class_V2.jpg)
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by the way guys, i'd appreciate if you could provide me with some doable klink designs?
this is what i have as material to bash with, thanks foas :)
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9864/klingonfleet.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9864/klingonfleet.png)
click the link to see the full image....
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9864/klingonfleet.png)
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YEEE! *grabbed*
Hey, btw, do you remember that other bash you made, it had a mini-saucer stuck inside the secondary hull, popping out on the port and starboard? I can't remember any other details >.<
As far as klinks, I actually can't think of any others, but you have a better bashing imagination than I do. I know the klink fleet lacks DNs (it only has 1 with another variant, plus the Light DN). It lacks on frigates, too.
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YEEE! *grabbed*
Hey, btw, do you remember that other bash you made, it had a mini-saucer stuck inside the secondary hull, popping out on the port and starboard? I can't remember any other details >.<
As far as klinks, I actually can't think of any others, but you have a better bashing imagination than I do. I know the klink fleet lacks DNs (it only has 1 with another variant, plus the Light DN). It lacks on frigates, too.
oh thatship? yeah i still remember it, one doesnt forget a horror like that in only a few years ;D
it was a behemoth refit of sorts, i was trying to make a dominion war refit of it...
yeah i'll figure out something yet, maybe klingon fanatic can be of assistance? :p
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I just remembered it, i wasn't referring to it before, is all.
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YEEE! *grabbed*
Hey, btw, do you remember that other bash you made, it had a mini-saucer stuck inside the secondary hull, popping out on the port and starboard? I can't remember any other details >.<
As far as klinks, I actually can't think of any others, but you have a better bashing imagination than I do. I know the klink fleet lacks DNs (it only has 1 with another variant, plus the Light DN). It lacks on frigates, too.
oh thatship? yeah i still remember it, one doesnt forget a horror like that in only a few years ;D
it was a behemoth refit of sorts, i was trying to make a dominion war refit of it...
yeah i'll figure out something yet, maybe klingon fanatic can be of assistance? :p
I've tried to block out the horror of that *cough* ship...
I did like the Federation Ktinga.
Kitbash request: D10 with three warp engines using the Kelicos command pod and boom. The third Warp engine MUST be under the command boom for seperation ability...
Additionally, you Might want to experiment with increasing the D10 secondary hull by up to 25% (you'll know better than me about the scale) to give the Klingons a new off the shelf Heavy carrier.
Keep up the great work Mackie!
Qapla'
KF
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Mackie, your Trooper & Behemoth will make excellent monitors.
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Mackie, your Trooper & Behemoth will make excellent monitors.
See? Quoted for Truth
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I've tried to block out the horror of that *cough* ship...
I did like the Federation Ktinga.
Kitbash request: D10 with three warp engines using the Kelicos command pod and boom. The third Warp engine MUST be under the command boom for seperation ability...
Additionally, you Might want to experiment with increasing the D10 secondary hull by up to 25% (you'll know better than me about the scale) to give the Klingons a new off the shelf Heavy carrier.
Keep up the great work Mackie!
Qapla'
KF
Ok, thats something i can definitely get started with :)
Mackie, your Trooper & Behemoth will make excellent monitors.
See? Quoted for Truth
heh, i guess that little bash was a bit better than I thought ;D
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heres the ship that KF requested... I made it because I said i would but Im really not a fan of these "slab-on-one-more-engine-THERE-I-HAVE-MENDED-IT" type of designs :P
Klingon Sur'Kia class.
credits:
parts from kelicos: wz
parts from riskadh: terradyne, wz
retextures: foas
lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg)
these arent too classy either... I know that im kind of reinventing the wheel but a little more variety wouldnt hurt would it?
Sortavala class
credits:
parts from miranda: wz, zambiezan
parts from excelsior-b: foas
parts from churchill: cleeve, khaliban
parts from ulysses: wz
lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=109&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=109&sort=1)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Sortavala_class.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Sortavala_class.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Sortavala_class.jpg)
Pitkaranta class
credits:
parts from miranda: wz, zambiezan
parts from excelsior-b: foas
parts from star league: khaliban, p81
parts from churchill: cleeve, khaliban
parts from akula: khaliban
lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=97&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=97&sort=1)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pitkaranta_class.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pitkaranta_class.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/Pitkaranta_class.jpg)
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I actually kind of like that Riskadh refit would make a nice DN-conversion.
As for the others, I like them too :) the Pitkaranta would make a nice f-CM as well :).
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heres the ship that KF requested... I made it because I said i would but Im really not a fan of these "slab-on-one-more-engine-THERE-I-HAVE-MENDED-IT" type of designs :P
Klingon Sur'Kia class.
credits:
parts from kelicos: wz
parts from riskadh: terradyne, wz
retextures: foas
lwo: [url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1[/url] ([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1[/url])
[url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url] ([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url])
([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url])
Sortavala class
Nicely done! This is MUCH better than the bazillion slap on another warp engine Federation ships that are out there. Thank you very much Mackie for a wonderful addition to the Klingon Fleet.
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heres the ship that KF requested... I made it because I said i would but Im really not a fan of these "slab-on-one-more-engine-THERE-I-HAVE-MENDED-IT" type of designs :P
Klingon Sur'Kia class.
credits:
parts from kelicos: wz
parts from riskadh: terradyne, wz
retextures: foas
lwo: [url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1[/url] ([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=76&sort=1[/url])
[url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url] ([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url])
([url]http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/klingon_sur'kia_class.jpg[/url])
Sortavala class
Nicely done! This is MUCH better than the bazillion slap on another warp engine Federation ships that are out there. Thank you very much Mackie for a wonderful addition to the Klingon Fleet.
there will be more, im going through http://www.shipschematics.net/ (http://www.shipschematics.net/) this right now to find some designs that please me or could possibly inspire :D
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Made a new bash again, supposed to be sort of an experimental warpdrive & deflector prototype ship, calling it the Silicon Valley class...
credits
parts from akyazi: wz
parts from oberth: p81
parts from enterprise: khaliban
parts from churchill: cleeve, khaliban
parts from new jersey: khaliban
parts from okinawa: wz
parts from excelsior-b: foas
retextures: foas
lwo: http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=109&sort=1 (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/?file=109&sort=1)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/silicon_valley_class.jpg)
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WOW! I really like that one. The proportions are perfect! You really have a talent for kitbashing.
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Keep it up Mackie !!!!! ;D Now we just need to get them converted over to SFC ;D
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mackie you may want to review the first post of this thread, the supposed download link gives me a jpg of the oklahoma class.
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mackie you may want to review the first post of this thread, the supposed download link gives me a jpg of the oklahoma class.
oh? sorry about that, i must of have screwed something up ;D
oh wait, now i know whats wrong :S
I modified the database a little a while ago and now EVERY single goddamn link has has changed path so just go to www.stupidfusion.com (http://www.stupidfusion.com) downloads instead of using the links :/
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Heres something weird and quite possibly downright ugly;
Misfit class and its variants, check lwos, yet again.
and no those arent torp tubes... I just couldnt fit one big deflector there so i opted to toss in 3 smaller ones instead.
credits:
parts from oberth: p81
parts from akula: khaliban, lord schtupp
parts from from enterprise: khaliban
parts from excelsior-b: foas
retextures: foas
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/misfit_class.jpg)
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these are really cool. The base version kinda looks like an updated TOS small freighter - I hope someone is converting these :)
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I see a PF :)
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Also, while I was creating it i had a nagging feeling that it reminded me of a ship from another scifi series but i couldnt quite put my finger on what until now; -Battlelstar Galactica.
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Rereleased all my new bashes in 3ds and added a new category for them, moved the 3ds file pack for my older bashes into the said category as well.
---> www.stupidfusion.com (http://www.stupidfusion.com)
should make it a bit easier for those who can and want to convert them for sfc2.
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I really like where you are going with these kitbashes. The front end of the Misfit could use a little more work but i love the design.
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I really like where you are going with these kitbashes. The front end of the Misfit could use a little more work but i love the design.
I tried attaching a couple of things to it but nothing really seemed right so figured that i oughta leave it bare, a matter of taste I suppose :P
Guess I could do one more variant though :)
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Actually, a Miranda-torp-pod-with-deflector-thingy might work.
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Actually, a Miranda-torp-pod-with-deflector-thingy might work.
tried that with and without deflector and with and without the pod and the deflector alone fit somewhat ok but then i thought it looked a bit better with nothing on the nose of it :P
ill make a version of it with the deflector yet, however :)
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Just suggesting. it's your call.
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Just suggesting. it's your call.
I know, i was trying to say that you were on the right tracks with that idea since I too thought it was a good one ;D
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Hmmm, tossing another idea out there: instead of going with miranda pod, how about a Connie torp-launcher-thing. Hang it off the bottom slightly and let it protrude forward. Hang the sensor ball underneath that.
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really, really great stuff! I even love the weird & ugly
just a novice talking here, but I gave a shot at using SCME to convert the LWO to MOD. No success
I'm pretty sure I have milkshape on an older box, maybe I'll fire that up later
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howsaboutso?
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/howaboutso.jpg)
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Noice!
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Looking good Mackie.. most (if not all) downloaded. Need to beat a hole in my "hunnydolist" and then I'll convert those over. :)
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Looking good Mackie.. most (if not all) downloaded. Need to beat a hole in my "hunnydolist" and then I'll convert those over. :)
hehheh ;D
I was curious wether or not you even followed dyna anymore, apparently you do :P
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I have this Altomesque vision in my head of two D-10s mirrored top/bottom with some type of connection between them. One command pod in between the two hulls. It has 4 warp engines but I can't decide if they are on top or to the rear of the engineering hull.
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hehheh ;D
I was curious wether or not you even followed dyna anymore, apparently you do :P
Frownie face?
I still do.. but mostly get notified of new threads of interest through iGoogle. For what it's worth, I keep a tab open on it everyday.. but sometimes it takes a couple of days to get back to msgs. :)
Email is still a good way to get ahold of me quicker, and I *swear* that at least one or two days this winter are going to be "sit down at computer and fire up 3dsMax" days. My project shelf is getting too dusty..
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and I *swear* that at least one or two days this winter are going to be "sit down at computer and fire up 3dsMax" days. My project shelf is getting too dusty..
Dusty?
more like to stop it from over flowing anymore and to get some room back in the house
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and just because im quiet it dont mean i aint doing nothing ;)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/charger.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/charger2.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/charger3.jpg)
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ok heres teh same ship again, i decided not to add or remove anything to or from it no more; it was slowly starting to drive me crazy so this is the final version :p
Charger class
download: can be found both in 3ds and lwo formats on my site
credits:
parts from akyazi: wz
parts from lexington: wz
parts from enterprise: khaliban
parts from akula: khaliban
retextures: foas
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_3ds/charger_class_1.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_3ds/charger_class_2.jpg)
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Where is the D/l link for the new Klingons?
Kitbash request: Atrahasis' N6 tug with ONE pod. There is a zero pod version and a two pod version but no ONE pod version.
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Where is the D/l link for the new Klingons?
Kitbash request: Atrahasis' N6 tug with ONE pod. There is a zero pod version and a two pod version but no ONE pod version.
Do you know where I could get Atra's N6?
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What is the N6?
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It's an SFB large tug similar to the one Terradyhne made but bigger and with a pod under each "wing".
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Oh and sorry Mackie, for hijacking your thread . . . not intended.
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Got a few of these converted this weekend along with moving a guys daughter 35 miles and some remote work at my job this weekend. Will upload one as a test, want to make sure that it looks right because in Modviewer on this machine, looks like I have normals flipped or something on the quick look. (could also be just Modviewer on this machine though)..
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Got a few of these converted this weekend along with moving a guys daughter 35 miles and some remote work at my job this weekend. Will upload one as a test, want to make sure that it looks right because in Modviewer on this machine, looks like I have normals flipped or something on the quick look. (could also be just Modviewer on this machine though)..
alright thats fine :)
ive got some stuff to do right now anyway, im working on my car... tossing out most of the interior, fake wooden panels from the dash, doorpanels kickpanels seats etc... replacing panels with real wood and seats with ones from another a car ;D
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It's Modviewer on that machine.. they look fine on another. Twister is going to be a bit of an issue to convert, there's a lot of materials on that one. But am working on it.
Shaker, Behemoth, and one more are converted now.. will work on the Twister ASAP.. (need to condense down those materials somewhat so it'll convert somehow)..
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nevermind this..
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It's Modviewer on that machine.. they look fine on another. Twister is going to be a bit of an issue to convert, there's a lot of materials on that one. But am working on it.
Shaker, Behemoth, and one more are converted now.. will work on the Twister ASAP.. (need to condense down those materials somewhat so it'll convert somehow)..
once you get stuff done can you email em to me or... ? :)
nevermind this..
what?
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I thought there was a model problem but it was max screwing up..restarted it and the model had all textures in the correct place. I've niffed all the models now except the challenger, I think.
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once you get stuff done can you email em to me or... ? :)
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Can do.. :)
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heres a size comparison of the more recent bashes :)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/g_m_s/2011_bashes_comparison.jpg (http://stupidfusion.com/files/g_m_s/2011_bashes_comparison.jpg)
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/g_m_s/2011_bashes_comparison.jpg)
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I may have missed this, but is anyone converting these to .mod format?
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I may have missed this, but is anyone converting these to .mod format?
atheorhaven is on it ;D
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Is Atheorhaven also converting the Klingon kitbashes you have done Mackie?
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I can, if I'm pointed to LWO's. ;)
Btw, figured out a workaround for the Twister, it's now converted to .MOD as well.
So, completed:
Pride
Shaker
Trooper
Behemoth
Twister
No HP's on these right now, the biggest challenge was to get the Twister across (32 materials with Max handling 24 on the import from LWO).
Mackie, PM me a good email address (or a place to upload), or else I can shoot you some links to something I have running, either or. :)
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Fantastic work, as always my friend. You imagination knows no boundaries. FYI, I still plan on visiting ya when my health improves ;)
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Is Atheorhaven also converting the Klingon kitbashes you have done Mackie?
I hope ;)
Ive tried a bunch of different klingon bashes from foases set but I just cant seem to come up with something that would sort of look sensible and at the same time, conform with my own "quality" or rather "complexity" standards when it comes to bashes :-\
I just cant seem to settle with the sort of bashes that either add or remove just one or two things to or from a ship... that being said theres so far just that single one out that I put together.
Ill figure out something yet!
Fantastic work, as always my friend. You imagination knows no boundaries. FYI, I still plan on visiting ya when my health improves ;)
Thanks! hope you get better :)
I can, if I'm pointed to LWO's. ;)
Btw, figured out a workaround for the Twister, it's now converted to .MOD as well.
So, completed:
Pride
Shaker
Trooper
Behemoth
Twister
No HP's on these right now, the biggest challenge was to get the Twister across (32 materials with Max handling 24 on the import from LWO).
Mackie, PM me a good email address (or a place to upload), or else I can shoot you some links to something I have running, either or. :)
hm?
you can find em either here in lwo
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/ (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_lwo/)
or here in 3ds :)
http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_3ds/ (http://stupidfusion.com/files/kitbashes_startrek_3ds/)
The new bashes are largely made from WZ sourced models which is the reason for the large amount of textures being used :)
and the email address: themackie@gmail.com
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Okay, converted as of last night..
Charger
Karu
Sur'kia
Pride
Shaker
Trooper
Behemoth
Twister
I'll send you download links Mackie as soon as I upload 'em..
Also, played a little bit with the Sur'kia, it's a pretty little ship. ;)
(edit: Mackie, you have mail.. yay!) ;)
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Okay, converted as of last night..
Charger
Karu
Sur'kia
Pride
Shaker
Trooper
Behemoth
Twister
I'll send you download links Mackie as soon as I upload 'em..
Also, played a little bit with the Sur'kia, it's a pretty little ship. ;)
(edit: Mackie, you have mail.. yay!) ;)
postin here just to be on the safe side; none of your links worked that you emailed to me, i dont have the password to them.
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postin here just to be on the safe side; none of your links worked that you emailed to me, i dont have the password to them.
Crap.. okay, I'll try and reupload to your uploader.. it only let me do one though first time..
(edit: try the links I sent you again, I found where that p/w was and disabled it).
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Released for SFC 2 & OP
-Karu class
-Pride class V.2
-Shaker class
-Klingon Sur'Kia class
-Trooper and Behemoth classes V.2
-Twister class
Thanks for the conversions, as usual, goes to Atheorhaven!
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Awesome.. (you got them).
Rest of them coming up ASAP.. :)
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Klingon Sur'Kia class
Thank you! I hace a new KCV...
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mackie, when ya get the chance, can you put up a copy of the hurja and mankan in the 3ds section? I seem to have missed those and the 3ds ports are going ok so..
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mackie, when ya get the chance, can you put up a copy of the hurja and mankan in the 3ds section? I seem to have missed those and the 3ds ports are going ok so..
theyre in the old kitbashes 3ds file...
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Downloaded the Shaker, Pride and Karu and tried them out - nice, good work.
Thanks! :thumbsup:
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if someone could get some ingame pics of em and post here id be happy :)
... i aint got sfc2op anywhere handy right :-\
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If you have lost your copy the Dynaverse.net Marketplace has em for sale: $5.99us
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Here ya'll go:
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee499/CaptCujo/SCR00181.jpg)
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And another:
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee499/CaptCujo/SCR00185.jpg)
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Screenies.. I loves screenies. :D
They look great ingame.. :)
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WOOT ;)
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And a couple more:
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee499/CaptCujo/SCR00186.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee499/CaptCujo/SCR00190.jpg)
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someone misconverted a texture on the rear of that shaker..
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If you have lost your copy the Dynaverse.net Marketplace has em for sale: $5.99us
Thanks for the tip, ill keep it in mind!
someone misconverted a texture on the rear of that shaker..
Looking very nice ingame but yeah, theres definitely something wrong with the ass-end of that ;D
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Did I forget to hand you a texture?
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Did I forget to hand you a texture?
no uh either i forgot the texture from the bashes zip i handed over to atheorhaven or he messed something up during the conversion... i need to check my files, ill report back about that later ;D
edit: both 3ds and lwo packages of the ship that i have are fine but something is definitely wrong with the sfc2 version :-\
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no uh either i forgot the texture from the bashes zip i handed over to atheorhaven or he messed something up during the conversion... i need to check my files, ill report back about that later ;D
edit: both 3ds and lwo packages of the ship that i have are fine but something is definitely wrong with the sfc2 version :-\[/quote]
I'll redo it and fix, thought that all were fine, but was probably a misassigned texture.
Usually to convert these, I get the mesh across and then have to assign textures in Max, usually works fine, but sometimes one gets missed or messed if I'm in a hurry. :p
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I'll redo it and fix, thought that all were fine, but was probably a misassigned texture.
Usually to convert these, I get the mesh across and then have to assign textures in Max, usually works fine, but sometimes one gets missed or messed if I'm in a hurry. :p
np dude its not like i havent ever screwed something up, just email me the fix whenever you can and ill upload :)
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np dude its not like i havent ever screwed something up, just email me the fix whenever you can and ill upload :)
Will do.. :)
Working on others now as well.. (about 5 of them).. send ya the links when done..
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Figured it out.. had a Generic in place of bay.bmp. Fixed on the main mesh and will get 'er over to Mackie shortly.
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Figured it out.. had a Generic in place of bay.bmp. Fixed on the main mesh and will get 'er over to Mackie shortly.
Will you also be converting Mackie's Sortavala and Einherjer variants? I can't wait to get my hands on those! :D
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Figured it out.. had a Generic in place of bay.bmp. Fixed on the main mesh and will get 'er over to Mackie shortly.
Will you also be converting Mackie's Sortavala and Einherjer variants? I can't wait to get my hands on those! :D
Hmm... Big targets...
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And BIGGER explosions! :2gun:
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Will you also be converting Mackie's Sortavala and Einherjer variants? I can't wait to get my hands on those! :D[/quote]
Seeing that I did version 1, will do version 2. :)
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the fixed version of shaker has now been uploaded :)
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Thank you!
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Any ETA on the Einherjer II ? Although, I am usually on an anti-Federation ship rant, I have to say that's a mighty fine target I'd hate to not have the opportunity to shoot at...
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Mackie, I checked your site and the Shaker zip file still shows an upload date of 02-23-11.
I am looking at the Starfleet Command2 & OP ships page.
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Mackie MIGHT have had to go for a bit for a familial thing - not 100%, but its POSSIBLE we might not here from him for a little bit.
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Thanks for the info.
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Mackie, I checked your site and the Shaker zip file still shows an upload date of 02-23-11.
I am looking at the Starfleet Command2 & OP ships page.
it is the updated/fixed version I just checked, the file database didnt update, uh, the date for some reason. :p
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Ah, good - mackie you're still around :)
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Any ETA on the Einherjer II ? Although, I am usually on an anti-Federation ship rant, I have to say that's a mighty fine target I'd hate to not have the opportunity to shoot at...
Probably be out by the 4th.. I've been also working on my own stuff, and am contemplating trying a kitbash as well...
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Any ETA on the Einherjer II ? Although, I am usually on an anti-Federation ship rant, I have to say that's a mighty fine target I'd hate to not have the opportunity to shoot at...
Probably be out by the 4th.. I've been also working on my own stuff, and am contemplating trying a kitbash as well...
The Einherjer II is in hiding. Why else haven't we seen it since it's first appearance? The flatheads are too afraid to let the paint be scratched on their precious, Romulan cloak equipped, Ubership.
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Pfft - they didn't get the cloak for the Einherjer II from us. I think it was you lobster-faced folk. Contests of "honour" can lead to some pretty bad security lapses ;)
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Shortly.. been working on an insect first.. need another PF in the game.. ;)
Might get it completed before I go to bed in about half an hour.. :)
(edit: Mackie, yer mail R Groan). ;)
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thanks dudebro :>
Einherjer class v2 sfc2 is up now!
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Just grabbed it; very nice! :D
I have a question, and I hope it isn't too far off topic: Who made the Miranda hull used on the Einherjer II, and where can I get it?
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Doh! I should have looked MUCH closer the ship I want for my FBB is the Einherjer Refit not the Einherjer V2...
(http://stupidfusion.com/files/g_m_s/2011_bashes_comparison.jpg)
Thank you Mackie and Atheorhaven for sharing these fine kitbashes.
Qapla'
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Will see what I can do about getting the other one out soon. :)
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Will see what I can do about getting the other one out soon. :)
By the way, thanks for taking time to convert these ships. We know real life takes priority, so it's even more appreciated.
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By the way, thanks for taking time to convert these ships. We know real life takes priority, so it's even more appreciated.
Not a worry... I've always enjoyed converting Mackie's work over to SFC, he does good stuff. And by now, I have it more or less down to a routine. :)
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Where is the Einherjer Refit?
Cloaked and hiding no doubt while its paint dries... Flathead scum.. LOL.
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Where is the Einherjer Refit?
Cloaked and hiding no doubt while its paint dries... Flathead scum.. LOL.
You really want to blow that ship up don't you, KF? :knuppel2:
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Yes he does... :)
Will port it over tonight as 3dsMax won't be working on the Hawk tonight...
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Yes he does... :)
Will port it over tonight as 3dsMax won't be working on the Hawk tonight...
Awesome! :woot:
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Lookie what I gots... I gots me a Battleship. ;)
Now, I just needs to get Mackie a Battleships.. :)
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Lookin' good! :D
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"There she is. Not so wounded as we were led to believe. So much the better..."
Nice can't wait to blow her up, LOL.
Finally a nice Fed TMP battleship that makes sense.
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oooooo..... shiney :knuppel2:
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oooooo..... shiney :knuppel2:
And torpedo-ey. :2gun:
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The paint must be still wet on the Einherjer Refit. Either that or the Romulans have it hidden somewhere.
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Yup, the Einherjer Refit is definitely hiding... or its a flathead propaganda campaign at work designed to stoke the fires. This is an abomination and a threat to Klingon security. There will be no peace until this is destroyed by the Klingon Imperial Navy.
In the meantime, any chance for a kitbash of Terradyhne's Klingon L' rexa?
(http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/images/thumbs/2/24f8d11e415644500f6512f2e4e1172d.jpg)
A two nacelled version exists here: http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/view.php?id=4014 (http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/view.php?id=4014) I have been incorrectly credited for kitbashing this L'rexa. I have NEVER kitbashed any SFC ship just textures...
I would like to have a L'rexa with three warp engines to be used as a suitable alternative model for the Klingon F6:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new (http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new)
Qapla'
KF
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i already got the sfc2 port of it but i cant upload it until later today... :(
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Yup, the Einherjer Refit is definitely hiding... or its a flathead propaganda campaign at work designed to stoke the fires. This is an abomination and a threat to Klingon security. There will be no peace until this is destroyed by the Klingon Imperial Navy.
Yup, propaganda, just like the email Mackie got the other day with a link to grab the ship from. ;)
He must be busy and will upload 'er when he can..
In the meantime, any chance for a kitbash of Terradyhne's Klingon L' rexa?
If Terradyhne's cool with it, it can be done.. ;)
A two nacelled version exists here: [url]http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/view.php?id=4014[/url] ([url]http://sfc.battleclinic.com/docks/view.php?id=4014[/url]) I have been incorrectly credited for kitbashing this L'rexa. I have NEVER kitbashed any SFC ship just textures...
I would like to have a L'rexa with three warp engines to be used as a suitable alternative model for the Klingon F6:
[url]http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new[/url] ([url]http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new[/url])
See, it gets a lot easier with a download link and picture.. ;) Again, we'll see if it can be done. :D
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its up!
btw, what exactly is the name about?
The Einherjar are the heroes who have died with great bravery on the battle fields. These heroes are prepared in Valhalla for the oncoming battle of Ragnarok. In the morning they are woken by the crowing of the rooster Gullinkambi ("golden comb"). During the day they train and fight, until they cut each other to pieces. At night they feast at Odin's side and their wounds are miraculously healed.
On the day of Ragnarok, the bravest of the Einherjar will march with Odin to battle the frost giants, the enemies of the gods.
in essence, they are odins chosen warriors who rise from dead to fight again.
the ship was originally my idea for a ds9 type dominion-war frankenstein ship that could actually do something other than just blow up on the first strike.
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On the day of Ragnarok, the bravest of the Einherjar will march with Odin to battle the frost giants, the enemies of the gods.
in essence, they are odins chosen warriors who rise from dead to fight again.
the ship was originally my idea for a ds9 type dominion-war frankenstein ship that could actually do something other than just blow up on the first strike.[/quote]
Cool.. Odin's Revenants! :)
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I am having difficulty with my laptop (Windows 7) taking pictures with the F12 key. Otherwise I'd post pictures of the magnificant explosion the Einherjer Refit made when it blew up! Nicely done. Thank you for this fine FBB.
Now where is the L' rexa F-6 style kitbash? I have no doubt that Terradyhne will give his blessing for that and have sent him a PM about this topic.
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I am having difficulty with my laptop (Windows 7) taking pictures with the F12 key. Otherwise I'd post pictures of the magnificant explosion the Einherjer Refit made when it blew up! Nicely done. Thank you for this fine FBB.
Now where is the L' rexa F-6 style kitbash? I have no doubt that Terradyhne will give his blessing for that and have sent him a PM about this topic.
my pleasure :D
im kinda on the road right now and not at home; theres only so much that can be done from this pos laptop which hardly has enough oomph to even run modeling software :/
ill have to see about that once i do get back, I already have terras ok from wayback... ive messed with his work before ;D
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Mackie - did you grab all the klinkers I retexed - somewhere in there might be a version of the L'Rexa that KF needs (not really understanding what, specifically he needs).
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Mackie - did you grab all the klinkers I retexed - somewhere in there might be a version of the L'Rexa that KF needs (not really understanding what, specifically he needs).
yes did ive got em all :) but yeah i didnt quite capture what the man wants either, maybe ive missed something... do specify kf?
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Mackie - did you grab all the klinkers I retexed - somewhere in there might be a version of the L'Rexa that KF needs (not really understanding what, specifically he needs).
yes did ive got em all :) but yeah i didnt quite capture what the man wants either, maybe ive missed something... do specify kf?
I am not a big fan of Klingon Bird of Preys/KBOP style ships. The L' rexa is a fine substitute for the KBOP in my corner of the Trek universe.
I would like to have a L'rexa with three warp engines to be used as a suitable alternative model for the Klingon F6:
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new (http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163391192.msg1123020200.html#new)
So I recommend starting with the standard 1 warp engine version of the L' rexa and add two warp engines to it where they already are in the previous 2 warp engined L' rexa kitbash. Then it should be scaled to the same size that Firesouls' F-6 is. That's what I was hoping for.
Qapla'
KF
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MMmmmmmm standby...
My retex of Terra's L'Rexa. Mackie should have it :).
(http://i.imgur.com/OSNCU.jpg)
Don't have a single-nacelle version :/
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The link with the kitbashed L' rexa has the STOCK FASA one warp engine L' rexa.
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Will look into it
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bämp :p
alec theres still work to be done ;D
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heres a couple of ships ill release sometime soon (or so i hope). ive been really busy this summer working on my car, i have an old 75 dodge dart with a 225 slant 6 engine, the crankshaft rear main seal gave up and pissed away all the oil which caused the engine to overheat real quick and caused all kinds of havoc... somewhat time consuming rebuilding the engine.
I wonder if anyone plays the game these days anymore?
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/kuplawip1.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/kuplawip2.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/clydestale1.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/clydestale2.jpg)
(http://www.stupidfusion.com/kuvia/clydestale3.jpg)
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That first one, the Nitrosis variant, now that's pretty sweet.
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That first one, the Nitrosis variant, now that's pretty sweet.
whats a nitrosis? my curiosity has been raised ;D
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bämp :p
alec theres still work to be done ;D
ZzZz... bwaha?! There is? Sorry, must've dozed off.. ;)
Send me a PM with the ones you want done first, I'll try and sneak some in over the long weekend here..
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heres a couple of ships ill release sometime soon (or so i hope). ive been really busy this summer working on my car, i have an old 75 dodge dart with a 225 slant 6 engine, the crankshaft rear main seal gave up and pissed away all the oil which caused the engine to overheat real quick and caused all kinds of havoc... somewhat time consuming rebuilding the engine.
I wonder if anyone plays the game these days anymore?
Even if they don't play so much, I do know that apparently we're one of the easier games to port from. So there's always that as well. :)
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Oh people still play. I still play, actually.... but more on that later ;)
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Even if they don't play so much, I do know that apparently we're one of the easier games to port from. So there's always that as well. :)
explains why some of the modellers are getting angry again.
By the way you will want to fix the light maps on the warp pylons on the first ship
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explains why some of the modellers are getting angry again.
Again? Thought that it some cases, that was a "still".
By the way you will want to fix the light maps on the warp pylons on the first ship
One of us will get it corrected, I'm sure.. ;)
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Mackie, your stuff is always so cool looking to me, but that "not-Nitrosis" one is just amazing!! Those double struts on the nacelles - so simple but so rarely done... Very cool!
Tip of the hat for these latest!
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Beautiful work as always... Thanks guys...
Question, when converting the 3ds to mod, do the ships always come out transparent....
Adam
Your polies are probably inverted, max has a way to fix it but can't remember what it was FOAS?
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sounds like flipped normals.
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Two methods I know of:
1) If you're in editable poly or editable mesh, selected all the faces and there should be a button in the control bar called "flip" - press it.
2) Add a "normal" modifier. It should flip all the normals.
Now here's the real question. Are ALL the normals flipped or only some?
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Beats me, when I rotate the ship on mod viewer it just looks all funny, how would I go about checking to see if all or some are flipped?
First method sounds simple to do, soon as I go home I'll try it...
Adam
If you see a hollow like effect its reversed/ flipped
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heres a couple of ships ill release sometime soon (or so i hope). ive been really busy this summer working on my car, i have an old 75 dodge dart with a 225 slant 6 engine, the crankshaft rear main seal gave up and pissed away all the oil which caused the engine to overheat real quick and caused all kinds of havoc... somewhat time consuming rebuilding the engine.
I wonder if anyone plays the game these days anymore?
Even if they don't play so much, I do know that apparently we're one of the easier games to port from. So there's always that as well. :)
Well you know I'll always be porting...except in the summer. I got some car crap to work on myself. I got a strait 6 that never seems to run right, 2 cb antennas to fix and a tree to remove and most of june felt more like fall except for the 2 100 degree days so everythings been delayed a month lol. I still plan on finishing the rest you gave me over the winter. waiting for the pix to get fixed on filefrotn so when they're released people will actualy download them. Those new bsahes look great too.