Topic: Star Trek Enterprise: Zero Hour (season finale) (Read 20089 times)

Tremok · « **on:** May 26, 2004, 07:05:23 pm »

Heh. Haven't done one of these post in a while. Figured might as well for the seaon finale.

To be honest, I haven't seen an Enterprise episode in quite a while. Let's see how this plays out.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:15:41 pm »

I still tune in frequently hoping to hear Scott Bakula say "Oh boy."

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:18:50 pm »

When does it air? I haven't been keeping up with TV...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:22:04 pm »

It's on right now here

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:28:56 pm »

Pacific?

Clark Kent · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:45:20 pm »

I'm on Central.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Corbomite · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:53:57 pm »

Quote:

Pacific?

8 p.m.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:57:58 pm »

Oh for cryin out loud, they sent them back to WWII? what kind of cockamaimy B.S. is this? Can't they stop screwing with time for god's sake? This is getting so OLD!!!!!

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Tremok · « **Reply #8 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:58:52 pm »

So, age is considered intimate information to Vulcans?

Khalee · « **Reply #9 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:03:13 pm »

Nope looks like they are going to run it into the ground. why bother picking it up for another season if this is the best they can do.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:21:18 pm »

seems I'm not alone in my utter disgust

W W 2?

cheesh, can't the morons do anything except time travel crap?

Praxis · « **Reply #11 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:40:16 pm »

What? It was supposed to be on at 8 PM, but it's only 6:40 PM right now.

Harlax · « **Reply #12 on:** May 26, 2004, 09:17:43 pm »

Can you say Galactica 1980?

(Sorry if I stirred up any memories you might have been repressing there....)

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2004, 11:46:10 pm »

Here's a question: how come none of the Germans gave a crap that Nosferatu is apparently an SS officer? Or perhaps it's the Red Skull's eviler cousin, the Blue Skull.

Gambler · « **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:58:30 am »

Think about it this way. With going back into WW2 the era and continuing the time travel arc they can do the following:

1) Save on pesky repairs to their Enterprise Set.

2) Avoid those nasty Trekers who don't like what they're doing with the Rodenberry timeline. See! That NEVER EVER EVER could have happened because we're in an alternate universe!

James_Smith · « **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2004, 08:42:47 am »

Well, that last five or so minutes of the episode was the most ridiculous load of bullsh*t on Trek since the Warp 10 episode of Voyager...

So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

Oh, and the Nazis are teaming up with Scary Looking Aliens?. This is the Nazis - a group of people who were convinced that they had to keep the purity of their race, and that anyone who was different must be eliminated. Great choice guys.

Anyone want to take bets on what will happen in Season 4? I'm going to guess that it will take several eps for Enterprise to get back to it's own time, so the writers have plenty of time now to completely bugger things up.

Gambler · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:18:49 am »

[quote
So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

After my initial post I had the same thoughts. Talk about a load of crap. Or what if we didn't go back in time but history changed to allow the Nazi's to have been more dominant in WWII. So it's Today as far as Enterprise is concerned but Earth has changed. Why would it? Blowing up the weapon in this timeline as long as we stay in this timeline isn't going to effect the past. Unless the time traveling bad guys had a second plan in place an implemented it at the same time the Xindi were doing there thing.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:25:52 am »

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

I am going on the assumption that Enterprise is not warped back in time, because of (as it was pointed out) the Xindi dropping them off.

I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline. Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed. Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

Malcom said that things "did not look different" from the air. Does that imply that San Francisco is built up to 22nd century levels or is it built to 1940's levels? Or maybe he could not tell.

All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit. One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

Kortez · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:30:09 am »

Good questions, Scott. I will reserve judgment until I see what is up next season.

Did anyone else notice the alien had 2 pips on his uniform? Does that make him a lieutenant in Star Fleet's equivalent?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2004, 10:37:27 am »

This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.

ActiveX · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:24:51 am »

Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...

Kortez · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:25:59 am »

My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.

BortaS · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:49:50 pm »

They had one chance to win back some of the fans they lost. I was with them right up until the P-51's. I just changed the channel and thought to myself that it's time to get off the crap wagon known as Enterprise.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2004, 03:50:18 pm »

Look at it in a positive light. Now B&B can do what they've been doing to the trek timeline, but do it to the world's history! Next thing we know, they'll have Mussolini leading tanks against Patton and winning, Hitler's forces taking St. Petersburg in the winter along with Moscow and everything up to Siberia before the Russians strike back, the Nazi's with ICBM's, and the American's barely winning because the Enterprise comes at the last moment and fires some point defense at the ICBM's launched by Hitler!

Kortez · « **Reply #30 on:** May 27, 2004, 05:38:32 pm »

Let's hold our judgment until we see next year's episodes to start the season. I don't like the WW2 crap, but it is still possible it will be interesting. I say they are NOT back in time or the helm would have noticed the star's being out of position.

We will see ...

E_Look · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:44:38 pm »

Ahhh, finally! A calmer voice. True to form, Kortez. Not bad for a spy kid.

P.S. I think in general, the show has recovered its entertainment value, many episodes ago.

Khalee · « **Reply #32 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:01:19 pm »

And lost it with this episode its just going to be more of the same time travel BS

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #34 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:11:06 pm »

Awwwww....

and I was a-gonna rant!

Akiraprise!
Continuity!
Gel-decom!
Klingon Homeworld is TOO CLOSE!
Deep space? Bah! We gots' subspace corridors galore!
Twisted timelines.... Frisky Vulcans....
and now EVIL NAZI ALIENS and P-51s strafing shuttlepods!
Ratta-tat ratta-tat!

DM stops to look at his dusty NCC-1701 model.....
...sniff...sniff... it's not real..... it's not gonna be real.....
it's just a TV show.....

Daew Anahos · « **Reply #36 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:50:36 pm »

As I said in the General Forum Thread, I liked the ending. (Ducks and dons flame proof suit) I always like stories messing with the time-line. Sliders was cool in that respect, each Earth was different in some way, little or big. I agree with the posts that tag this as an alternate time-line, not having traveled through time again. They did somewhat set this up in the very first show with the "Temporal Cold War" deal. How destroying the spheres and the weapon count towards the new history is tough to guess...I'm tuning in just to see how in the (bleep) they are going to explain all this.

Hopefully, it won't be the second Enterprise reset button episode.

One thing, if history was changed, it means we don't have to listen to those #*#&^@^%@% I'm loving it commericals anymore!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #39 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:27:01 pm »

I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but doesn't this remind anybody else of the Farscape finale? It was almost exactly the same situation, a long storyline finally gets resolved and everything is starting to look up for the heroes, when all of a sudden a totally random event throws everything out of whack just before the episode ends.

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #42 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:57:56 pm »

Hmmm, I stand corrected then.
Thx, RatBoy

Maybe my whole problem with this is: The mini-arcs feel so "patched together at the last minute".

B5 had great arcs. Arcs planned from day one.
Enterprise arcs feels like cheap tricks to hook us to watch the next episode.

Will Batman become swiss cheese??!?! Will Robin become the boy blender??!?!
Tune in next time to find out! Same BatTime... Same BatChannel!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #43 on:** May 28, 2004, 12:06:13 am »

In all honesty, I would've paid big bucks if B&B could drag in the guy who played D'Argo just to scream "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" after seeing the Nazi alien. Best...Ending Scream...Ever.

Inquiry · « **Reply #47 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:20:44 pm »

I don't know why they had to use Nazis, they should have done Commies or Frenchies. Or French Commies.

Tremok · « **Reply #48 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:05:23 pm »

Heh. Haven't done one of these post in a while. Figured might as well for the seaon finale.

To be honest, I haven't seen an Enterprise episode in quite a while. Let's see how this plays out.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #49 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:15:41 pm »

I still tune in frequently hoping to hear Scott Bakula say "Oh boy."

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #50 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:18:50 pm »

When does it air? I haven't been keeping up with TV...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #51 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:22:04 pm »

It's on right now here

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #52 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:28:56 pm »

Pacific?

Clark Kent · « **Reply #53 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:45:20 pm »

I'm on Central.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #55 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:57:58 pm »

Oh for cryin out loud, they sent them back to WWII? what kind of cockamaimy B.S. is this? Can't they stop screwing with time for god's sake? This is getting so OLD!!!!!

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Tremok · « **Reply #56 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:58:52 pm »

So, age is considered intimate information to Vulcans?

Khalee · « **Reply #57 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:03:13 pm »

Nope looks like they are going to run it into the ground. why bother picking it up for another season if this is the best they can do.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #58 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:21:18 pm »

seems I'm not alone in my utter disgust

W W 2?

cheesh, can't the morons do anything except time travel crap?

Praxis · « **Reply #59 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:40:16 pm »

What? It was supposed to be on at 8 PM, but it's only 6:40 PM right now.

Harlax · « **Reply #60 on:** May 26, 2004, 09:17:43 pm »

Can you say Galactica 1980?

(Sorry if I stirred up any memories you might have been repressing there....)

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #62 on:** May 26, 2004, 11:46:10 pm »

Here's a question: how come none of the Germans gave a crap that Nosferatu is apparently an SS officer? Or perhaps it's the Red Skull's eviler cousin, the Blue Skull.

Gambler · « **Reply #63 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:58:30 am »

Think about it this way. With going back into WW2 the era and continuing the time travel arc they can do the following:

1) Save on pesky repairs to their Enterprise Set.

2) Avoid those nasty Trekers who don't like what they're doing with the Rodenberry timeline. See! That NEVER EVER EVER could have happened because we're in an alternate universe!

James_Smith · « **Reply #65 on:** May 27, 2004, 08:42:47 am »

Well, that last five or so minutes of the episode was the most ridiculous load of bullsh*t on Trek since the Warp 10 episode of Voyager...

So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

Oh, and the Nazis are teaming up with Scary Looking Aliens?. This is the Nazis - a group of people who were convinced that they had to keep the purity of their race, and that anyone who was different must be eliminated. Great choice guys.

Anyone want to take bets on what will happen in Season 4? I'm going to guess that it will take several eps for Enterprise to get back to it's own time, so the writers have plenty of time now to completely bugger things up.

Gambler · « **Reply #66 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:18:49 am »

[quote
So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

After my initial post I had the same thoughts. Talk about a load of crap. Or what if we didn't go back in time but history changed to allow the Nazi's to have been more dominant in WWII. So it's Today as far as Enterprise is concerned but Earth has changed. Why would it? Blowing up the weapon in this timeline as long as we stay in this timeline isn't going to effect the past. Unless the time traveling bad guys had a second plan in place an implemented it at the same time the Xindi were doing there thing.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #67 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:25:52 am »

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

I am going on the assumption that Enterprise is not warped back in time, because of (as it was pointed out) the Xindi dropping them off.

I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline. Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed. Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

Malcom said that things "did not look different" from the air. Does that imply that San Francisco is built up to 22nd century levels or is it built to 1940's levels? Or maybe he could not tell.

All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit. One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

Kortez · « **Reply #68 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:30:09 am »

Good questions, Scott. I will reserve judgment until I see what is up next season.

Did anyone else notice the alien had 2 pips on his uniform? Does that make him a lieutenant in Star Fleet's equivalent?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #71 on:** May 27, 2004, 10:37:27 am »

This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.

ActiveX · « **Reply #72 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:24:51 am »

Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...

Kortez · « **Reply #73 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:25:59 am »

My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.

BortaS · « **Reply #76 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:49:50 pm »

They had one chance to win back some of the fans they lost. I was with them right up until the P-51's. I just changed the channel and thought to myself that it's time to get off the crap wagon known as Enterprise.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #77 on:** May 27, 2004, 03:50:18 pm »

Look at it in a positive light. Now B&B can do what they've been doing to the trek timeline, but do it to the world's history! Next thing we know, they'll have Mussolini leading tanks against Patton and winning, Hitler's forces taking St. Petersburg in the winter along with Moscow and everything up to Siberia before the Russians strike back, the Nazi's with ICBM's, and the American's barely winning because the Enterprise comes at the last moment and fires some point defense at the ICBM's launched by Hitler!

Kortez · « **Reply #78 on:** May 27, 2004, 05:38:32 pm »

Let's hold our judgment until we see next year's episodes to start the season. I don't like the WW2 crap, but it is still possible it will be interesting. I say they are NOT back in time or the helm would have noticed the star's being out of position.

We will see ...

E_Look · « **Reply #79 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:44:38 pm »

Ahhh, finally! A calmer voice. True to form, Kortez. Not bad for a spy kid.

P.S. I think in general, the show has recovered its entertainment value, many episodes ago.

Khalee · « **Reply #80 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:01:19 pm »

And lost it with this episode its just going to be more of the same time travel BS

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #82 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:11:06 pm »

Awwwww....

and I was a-gonna rant!

Akiraprise!
Continuity!
Gel-decom!
Klingon Homeworld is TOO CLOSE!
Deep space? Bah! We gots' subspace corridors galore!
Twisted timelines.... Frisky Vulcans....
and now EVIL NAZI ALIENS and P-51s strafing shuttlepods!
Ratta-tat ratta-tat!

DM stops to look at his dusty NCC-1701 model.....
...sniff...sniff... it's not real..... it's not gonna be real.....
it's just a TV show.....

Daew Anahos · « **Reply #84 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:50:36 pm »

As I said in the General Forum Thread, I liked the ending. (Ducks and dons flame proof suit) I always like stories messing with the time-line. Sliders was cool in that respect, each Earth was different in some way, little or big. I agree with the posts that tag this as an alternate time-line, not having traveled through time again. They did somewhat set this up in the very first show with the "Temporal Cold War" deal. How destroying the spheres and the weapon count towards the new history is tough to guess...I'm tuning in just to see how in the (bleep) they are going to explain all this.

Hopefully, it won't be the second Enterprise reset button episode.

One thing, if history was changed, it means we don't have to listen to those #*#&^@^%@% I'm loving it commericals anymore!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #87 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:27:01 pm »

I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but doesn't this remind anybody else of the Farscape finale? It was almost exactly the same situation, a long storyline finally gets resolved and everything is starting to look up for the heroes, when all of a sudden a totally random event throws everything out of whack just before the episode ends.

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #90 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:57:56 pm »

Hmmm, I stand corrected then.
Thx, RatBoy

Maybe my whole problem with this is: The mini-arcs feel so "patched together at the last minute".

B5 had great arcs. Arcs planned from day one.
Enterprise arcs feels like cheap tricks to hook us to watch the next episode.

Will Batman become swiss cheese??!?! Will Robin become the boy blender??!?!
Tune in next time to find out! Same BatTime... Same BatChannel!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #91 on:** May 28, 2004, 12:06:13 am »

In all honesty, I would've paid big bucks if B&B could drag in the guy who played D'Argo just to scream "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" after seeing the Nazi alien. Best...Ending Scream...Ever.

Inquiry · « **Reply #95 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:20:44 pm »

I don't know why they had to use Nazis, they should have done Commies or Frenchies. Or French Commies.

Tremok · « **Reply #96 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:05:23 pm »

Heh. Haven't done one of these post in a while. Figured might as well for the seaon finale.

To be honest, I haven't seen an Enterprise episode in quite a while. Let's see how this plays out.

Clark Kent · « **Reply #97 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:15:41 pm »

I still tune in frequently hoping to hear Scott Bakula say "Oh boy."

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #98 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:18:50 pm »

When does it air? I haven't been keeping up with TV...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #99 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:22:04 pm »

It's on right now here

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

ActiveX · « **Reply #100 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:28:56 pm »

Pacific?

Clark Kent · « **Reply #101 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:45:20 pm »

I'm on Central.

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Clark Kent · « **Reply #103 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:57:58 pm »

Oh for cryin out loud, they sent them back to WWII? what kind of cockamaimy B.S. is this? Can't they stop screwing with time for god's sake? This is getting so OLD!!!!!

CK

P.S. I like Latinas...
....And apparently Asian ladies as well...

Tremok · « **Reply #104 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:58:52 pm »

So, age is considered intimate information to Vulcans?

Khalee · « **Reply #105 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:03:13 pm »

Nope looks like they are going to run it into the ground. why bother picking it up for another season if this is the best they can do.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #106 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:21:18 pm »

seems I'm not alone in my utter disgust

W W 2?

cheesh, can't the morons do anything except time travel crap?

Praxis · « **Reply #107 on:** May 26, 2004, 08:40:16 pm »

What? It was supposed to be on at 8 PM, but it's only 6:40 PM right now.

Harlax · « **Reply #108 on:** May 26, 2004, 09:17:43 pm »

Can you say Galactica 1980?

(Sorry if I stirred up any memories you might have been repressing there....)

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #110 on:** May 26, 2004, 11:46:10 pm »

Here's a question: how come none of the Germans gave a crap that Nosferatu is apparently an SS officer? Or perhaps it's the Red Skull's eviler cousin, the Blue Skull.

Gambler · « **Reply #111 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:58:30 am »

Think about it this way. With going back into WW2 the era and continuing the time travel arc they can do the following:

1) Save on pesky repairs to their Enterprise Set.

2) Avoid those nasty Trekers who don't like what they're doing with the Rodenberry timeline. See! That NEVER EVER EVER could have happened because we're in an alternate universe!

James_Smith · « **Reply #113 on:** May 27, 2004, 08:42:47 am »

Well, that last five or so minutes of the episode was the most ridiculous load of bullsh*t on Trek since the Warp 10 episode of Voyager...

So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

Oh, and the Nazis are teaming up with Scary Looking Aliens?. This is the Nazis - a group of people who were convinced that they had to keep the purity of their race, and that anyone who was different must be eliminated. Great choice guys.

Anyone want to take bets on what will happen in Season 4? I'm going to guess that it will take several eps for Enterprise to get back to it's own time, so the writers have plenty of time now to completely bugger things up.

Gambler · « **Reply #114 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:18:49 am »

[quote
So the weapon blows up. We now have to accept that Archer somehow is transported both several million kilometres away and several hundred years back in time. And Enterprise is also transported back to this time period. I guess that Aquatic ship travelled back in time as well, but I'm sure that the writers will be completely ignoring that little fact.

After my initial post I had the same thoughts. Talk about a load of crap. Or what if we didn't go back in time but history changed to allow the Nazi's to have been more dominant in WWII. So it's Today as far as Enterprise is concerned but Earth has changed. Why would it? Blowing up the weapon in this timeline as long as we stay in this timeline isn't going to effect the past. Unless the time traveling bad guys had a second plan in place an implemented it at the same time the Xindi were doing there thing.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #115 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:25:52 am »

I can't make heads or tails out of it.

I am going on the assumption that Enterprise is not warped back in time, because of (as it was pointed out) the Xindi dropping them off.

I am going on the assumption that Archer is in the past because the whole scene had a WWII feel to it.

My guess is that WWII is messed up because Evil Aliens are messing with the poor, too-often abused, timeline. Somehow this messed up our history such that by Enterprise's time the Earth still had not achieved space travel and even aviation has not progressed. Maybe the Nazi's were not defeated in the 1940's and it's 200 years later and we're still fighting?

Malcom said that things "did not look different" from the air. Does that imply that San Francisco is built up to 22nd century levels or is it built to 1940's levels? Or maybe he could not tell.

All and all there was not enough info to make it all fit. One thing I can say: it really, REALLY, reeks of 3rd season TOS nonsense and instead of anxiously awaiting the next season (like I was at the end of season 2) I have a summer of waiting to see if things are going to end up as stupid as they appear.

Kortez · « **Reply #116 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:30:09 am »

Good questions, Scott. I will reserve judgment until I see what is up next season.

Did anyone else notice the alien had 2 pips on his uniform? Does that make him a lieutenant in Star Fleet's equivalent?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #119 on:** May 27, 2004, 10:37:27 am »

This'll go down as the Trek equivalent of the Janet Jackson Super Bowl incident; there was quite a compelling showdown being waged between the Carolina Reptilians and the Federation Patriots, but everyone will forget about that and focus on one little incident that seemed to be a completely separate part.

ActiveX · « **Reply #120 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:24:51 am »

Next thing you know, we'll see Voyager accidently hit Enterprise, with the SS Bounty as clean up hitter...all over the Golden Gate Bridge...

Kortez · « **Reply #121 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:25:59 am »

My initial thoughts is the end represents no trip into the past, that we are seeing alien intervention in Earth's time line, that this involves the Suliban, which has not been resolved, and that Earth has been transformed into such a sorry state of affairs it can never evolve and help create the future that we have all come to know and enjoy.

Earth is a pretty important planet, and if it never develops into the warp-driven society of peace and exploration, someone is not going to be stopped.

BortaS · « **Reply #124 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:49:50 pm »

They had one chance to win back some of the fans they lost. I was with them right up until the P-51's. I just changed the channel and thought to myself that it's time to get off the crap wagon known as Enterprise.

Dash Jones · « **Reply #125 on:** May 27, 2004, 03:50:18 pm »

Look at it in a positive light. Now B&B can do what they've been doing to the trek timeline, but do it to the world's history! Next thing we know, they'll have Mussolini leading tanks against Patton and winning, Hitler's forces taking St. Petersburg in the winter along with Moscow and everything up to Siberia before the Russians strike back, the Nazi's with ICBM's, and the American's barely winning because the Enterprise comes at the last moment and fires some point defense at the ICBM's launched by Hitler!

Kortez · « **Reply #126 on:** May 27, 2004, 05:38:32 pm »

Let's hold our judgment until we see next year's episodes to start the season. I don't like the WW2 crap, but it is still possible it will be interesting. I say they are NOT back in time or the helm would have noticed the star's being out of position.

We will see ...

E_Look · « **Reply #127 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:44:38 pm »

Ahhh, finally! A calmer voice. True to form, Kortez. Not bad for a spy kid.

P.S. I think in general, the show has recovered its entertainment value, many episodes ago.

Khalee · « **Reply #128 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:01:19 pm »

And lost it with this episode its just going to be more of the same time travel BS

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #130 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:11:06 pm »

Awwwww....

and I was a-gonna rant!

Akiraprise!
Continuity!
Gel-decom!
Klingon Homeworld is TOO CLOSE!
Deep space? Bah! We gots' subspace corridors galore!
Twisted timelines.... Frisky Vulcans....
and now EVIL NAZI ALIENS and P-51s strafing shuttlepods!
Ratta-tat ratta-tat!

DM stops to look at his dusty NCC-1701 model.....
...sniff...sniff... it's not real..... it's not gonna be real.....
it's just a TV show.....

Daew Anahos · « **Reply #132 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:50:36 pm »

As I said in the General Forum Thread, I liked the ending. (Ducks and dons flame proof suit) I always like stories messing with the time-line. Sliders was cool in that respect, each Earth was different in some way, little or big. I agree with the posts that tag this as an alternate time-line, not having traveled through time again. They did somewhat set this up in the very first show with the "Temporal Cold War" deal. How destroying the spheres and the weapon count towards the new history is tough to guess...I'm tuning in just to see how in the (bleep) they are going to explain all this.

Hopefully, it won't be the second Enterprise reset button episode.

One thing, if history was changed, it means we don't have to listen to those #*#&^@^%@% I'm loving it commericals anymore!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #135 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:27:01 pm »

I know I'm going to catch flack for this, but doesn't this remind anybody else of the Farscape finale? It was almost exactly the same situation, a long storyline finally gets resolved and everything is starting to look up for the heroes, when all of a sudden a totally random event throws everything out of whack just before the episode ends.

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #138 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:57:56 pm »

Hmmm, I stand corrected then.
Thx, RatBoy

Maybe my whole problem with this is: The mini-arcs feel so "patched together at the last minute".

B5 had great arcs. Arcs planned from day one.
Enterprise arcs feels like cheap tricks to hook us to watch the next episode.

Will Batman become swiss cheese??!?! Will Robin become the boy blender??!?!
Tune in next time to find out! Same BatTime... Same BatChannel!

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #139 on:** May 28, 2004, 12:06:13 am »

In all honesty, I would've paid big bucks if B&B could drag in the guy who played D'Argo just to scream "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" after seeing the Nazi alien. Best...Ending Scream...Ever.

Inquiry · « **Reply #143 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:20:44 pm »

I don't know why they had to use Nazis, they should have done Commies or Frenchies. Or French Commies.

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