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#### Nemesis

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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2005, 09:48:06 am »
Now I know my cousin doesn't believe this, BUT officially, Microsoft has stated that if they ever stop suppoting XP and the activation, then they will provide a workaround.

The question would be if you believe they will do that or not.

I have never heard that.  If they do make a legally binding commitment to do so it will remove one of the valid complaints about activation.
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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2005, 09:54:53 am »
I know this might be the rabid left winger in me, but I personally believe that shipping a computer without a working OS and installation disks should be illegal, since a computer with no OS is an inert lump of metal and plastic...

Why should I be forced to pay someone else to do a generic install of Linux when I have my own (legal) install disks and will just have to redo it to my custom setup as soon as it arrives?  Even my Windows system is custom setup in ways that a Dell or HP would never be shipped in.  Ways that Microsoft would do well to emulate as they enhance stability and the ability to recover data after a reinstall.

Dell is currently shipping (officially anyhow) a machine with no OS installed but a FreeDOS cd included.  There are reports that it a/ costs more than a Windows machine b/ is hard to find on the website c/ can't actually be bought.  So it may be more of a publicity ploy or a negotiating ploy for dealings with Microsoft.
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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2005, 10:46:29 am »
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Will Microsoft use activation to force me to upgrade? In other words, will Microsoft ever stop giving out activation codes for any of the products that require activation?

No, Microsoft will not use activation as a tool to force people to upgrade. Activation is merely an anti-piracy tool, nothing else.

Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2005, 11:35:15 am »
When Vista comes out and people notice that Windows machines cost (base) over $1000 compared to under$500 now with XP, they'll see that even the Macintosh has become more cost-effective.

I don't see component capabilities increasing that far without a hefty pricetag.

Thus explains why I've switched to Mac.
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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2005, 11:46:09 am »
I know this might be the rabid left winger in me, but I personally believe that shipping a computer without a working OS and installation disks should be illegal, since a computer with no OS is an inert lump of metal and plastic...

Why should I be forced to pay someone else to do a generic install of Linux when I have my own (legal) install disks and will just have to redo it to my custom setup as soon as it arrives?  Even my Windows system is custom setup in ways that a Dell or HP would never be shipped in.  Ways that Microsoft would do well to emulate as they enhance stability and the ability to recover data after a reinstall.

Dell is currently shipping (officially anyhow) a machine with no OS installed but a FreeDOS cd included.  There are reports that it a/ costs more than a Windows machine b/ is hard to find on the website c/ can't actually be bought.  So it may be more of a publicity ploy or a negotiating ploy for dealings with Microsoft.

You would not be foreced to pay someone else to do a generic install of Linux, because if you build your own custom computers as I do and you do, then you would not be buying a generic ready made PC...  This would mean that the advanced user would not be throwing money at someone for installing an OS, and that the less advanced user would have a free OS provided to them...

To cut a long story short, I think that Closed Source Operating Systems should be forbidden, and that the windows code should be open sourced forthwith.  Hell, most of it is just butchered unix code anyway...

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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2005, 01:53:18 pm »
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Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the product.

Likely provide.  Not exactly a binding commitment.  What is the Microsoft life span for Windows? 10 years?  I don't think that is good enough.
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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2005, 02:08:07 pm »
You would not be foreced to pay someone else to do a generic install of Linux, because if you build your own custom computers as I do and you do, then you would not be buying a generic ready made PC...  This would mean that the advanced user would not be throwing money at someone for installing an OS, and that the less advanced user would have a free OS provided to them...

Businesses use Linux too and they are also better off with custom installs.  Why should they be forced to pay for a generic install of a version of Linux that does not neccesarilly in any way match their desires.  Why should they have to pay the computer manufacturer for an OS when they may already have a licensing/support agreement with a Linux company?

I see no benefit to the customer or the computer manufacturer from requiring a mandatory installed OS.  It is a cost for both and not alwasys needed.

To cut a long story short, I think that Closed Source Operating Systems should be forbidden, and that the windows code should be open sourced forthwith.

Can't agree.  They created it and have the right to keep what they created.  Just as I have the right to tell them "no sale Bill".

Hell, most of it is just butchered unix code anyway...

Proof?  Or just rhetoric?

If this was true then when substantial quantities of Windows source were leaked out I think it would have been front page news.  Too many people would have a field day with this if it cold be shown to be true so I find it very difficult to believe.

They do use (or did use) some BSD/Unix code for the TCP/IP stack - totally legitimately and honestly.  I believe they may also be shipping PERL (or was it Python?) with some Windows editions, also legitmately and honestly.
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##### Re: Windows Product Activation (WPA)
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2005, 06:54:38 pm »
You would not be foreced to pay someone else to do a generic install of Linux, because if you build your own custom computers as I do and you do, then you would not be buying a generic ready made PC...  This would mean that the advanced user would not be throwing money at someone for installing an OS, and that the less advanced user would have a free OS provided to them...

Businesses use Linux too and they are also better off with custom installs.  Why should they be forced to pay for a generic install of a version of Linux that does not neccesarilly in any way match their desires.  Why should they have to pay the computer manufacturer for an OS when they may already have a licensing/support agreement with a Linux company?

I see no benefit to the customer or the computer manufacturer from requiring a mandatory installed OS.  It is a cost for both and not alwasys needed.

To cut a long story short, I think that Closed Source Operating Systems should be forbidden, and that the windows code should be open sourced forthwith.

Can't agree.  They created it and have the right to keep what they created.  Just as I have the right to tell them "no sale Bill".

Hell, most of it is just butchered unix code anyway...

Proof?  Or just rhetoric?

If this was true then when substantial quantities of Windows source were leaked out I think it would have been front page news.  Too many people would have a field day with this if it cold be shown to be true so I find it very difficult to believe.

They do use (or did use) some BSD/Unix code for the TCP/IP stack - totally legitimately and honestly.  I believe they may also be shipping PERL (or was it Python?) with some Windows editions, also legitmately and honestly.

Rhetoric, I must admit...  I was assuming that because the internet protocols are all UNIX based that it will be so across the board in the OS, which could be untue...  But I think that all computer OS should be Open Sourced and government owned...  To my mind, there has never been a better case for eminent domain...

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2005, 09:43:15 pm »
...  But I think that all computer OS should be Open Sourced and government owned...  To my mind, there has never been a better case for eminent domain...
That's a very socialistic point of view.  I consider myself to be a very patriotic person, but I don't trust the government to provide me with a good quality OS.  Besides, that's not the government's job.  Our capitalistic system in the US is currently in the process of balancing itself out right now.  Microsoft has spent many years abusing the capitalistic system by gaining a virtual monopoly through strong-arm tactics instead of providing quality products that were superior to their competitors' products.  This unethical practice is now catching up with them.  More and more people have become discontent with Microsoft and are swithing from their products to their competitors' products, like Macintosh, Linux, and Open Source applications like OpenOffice and Firefox.  These alternatives are keeping Microsoft in check because they are taking away enough of Microsoft's market share to cause them to realize that they really need to do something about their software.

Do you think the government would offer a variety of OSes to choose from, or would they make things much easier on themselves by only offering one standardized OS?  How good would the tech support be?  How often would a new version with new innovations be released?  If someone came up with a better, non government-owned OS would it be illegal?

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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2005, 02:52:35 am »

Rhetoric, I must admit...  I was assuming that because the internet protocols are all UNIX based that it will be so across the board in the OS, which could be untue...  But I think that all computer OS should be Open Sourced and government owned...  To my mind, there has never been a better case for eminent domain...

Government owed!  Just what I need, the government telling me what OS I can use and no doubt reporting what I do with my computer.
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2005, 04:16:04 am »
Actually, I was blind drunk when I wrote that last night, and I've no idea what the hell I was thinking of...  At the moment in the clear light of morning, the thought of Tony Blair providing my operating system is frankly appalling...

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2005, 10:57:18 pm »
although I find the idea equally revolting, IF it were to come to that, Apple should start lobbying congress now
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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2005, 12:19:28 pm »
I have reinstalled my version of WinXP probably 100 times on my gaming machine over the last 3 years.....

I now even have a copy of Windows XP SP2 that works just fine with my Pre SP1 CD key.

Yes, there have been numerous time I've had to call and get a install ID to re-activate....and it took me all of 10 minutes.

Of course, if this discussion were actually on topic, then it'd be about honesty and personal integrity, not being mad because you can't install Windows onto as many PC's as you'd like with one key.

That's just silly.
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