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[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Lyran PFs do suck by themselves, but flown correctly like the way Firesoul used to the are absolutely devestating.

Just thought that bears repeating...

[Hexx]

Lyran PFs do suck by themselves, but flown correctly like the way Firesoul used to the are absolutely devestating.

Just thought that bears repeating...

As long as it's also pointed out that anything the Lyran PF does, another PF does better
with better utility as a bonus.

I'd say try the Ph1's and reduced shields, see what happens.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

This is another case of traditional enemies....

If you improve the Lyrans b/c their drone defense isn't on par to the Feds/Klinks/Kzinti, then you throw them out of whack against the Hydrans.

It is the same situation of the Klink carriers getting drone racks to improve against Feds/Kzinti that screws the Hydrans....

Why does it always seem to be the Hydrans getting shafted?

Isn't it bad enough they get stomped by droners as it is?

Maybe the Fed conjectural PF's should go away but that still leaves the Feds short against all the other races.

And the Lyrans still have to deal with plasma PF's and Kzinit drone tossers... err.. I mean PF's.

[Dizzy]

Give the lyr PF's extra tractors, lol... That wont screw the Hydrans and it helps them get on par with the other races.

[Hexx]

This is another case of traditional enemies....

If you improve the Lyrans b/c their drone defense isn't on par to the Feds/Klinks/Kzinti, then you throw them out of whack against the Hydrans.

It is the same situation of the Klink carriers getting drone racks to improve against Feds/Kzinti that screws the Hydrans....

Why does it always seem to be the Hydrans getting shafted?

Isn't it bad enough they get stomped by droners as it is?

Maybe the Fed conjectural PF's should go away but that still leaves the Feds short against all the other races.

And the Lyrans still have to deal with plasma PF's and Kzinit drone tossers... err.. I mean PF's.

Same as Lyrans have to do extra damage to Hydran fighters to compensate said fighters for the fairly rarely seen drone fighters.

Boosting 2 Ph2's on each PF to PH1's shouldn't have a huge imbalancing effect.
If on the next server run (that uses the mod) Lyran ships with PF's start owning every fight they're in then obviously it's too much.
Somehow I doubt it will happen though.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Same as Lyrans have to do extra damage to Hydran fighters to compensate said fighters for the fairly rarely seen drone fighters.

Boosting 2 Ph2's on each PF to PH1's shouldn't have a huge imbalancing effect.
If on the next server run (that uses the mod) Lyran ships with PF's start owning every fight they're in then obviously it's too much.
Somehow I doubt it will happen though.

Hydran fighters whooping Lyran PF's has rarely been the case, pre or post SFB fighter implementation.

And that is why we are doing testing so things are NOT out of whack once the server starts.

Hell, as it stands now, a Hydran CA ship with 6 or 8 Stingers vs a Lyran CA with 2 pf's usually results in a Hydran CA vs a Lyran CA with ONE pf....

[FPF-DieHard]

It is the same situation of the Klink carriers getting drone racks to improve against Feds/Kzinti that screws the Hydrans....

I don't see how anything I've done is ANY worse than having to fight Kzin which happens a lot.   the C8VK is no where near as hard on the Hydrans as the Z-CVA and I don't think the smaller carriers are that hot.   Keep in mind, the klink fighter don't even get decent unitl 2277.   I also don't think with the proposed Carrier/Escort CnC it will be that bad at all.

Why does it always seem to be the Hydrans getting shafted?

Because I'm out to screw the Hydrans as much as I try to screw the Feds, guess you missed the memo

Isn't it bad enough they get stomped by droners as it is?

How many D5Ds did will kill on GW2?

Maybe the Fed conjectural PF's should go away but that still leaves the Feds short against all the other races.

I'm thinking about it as with the stricter fleeting rules the "3rd way" might be posible.  Need more contemplation before I consider it as Father Ted may damn me to hell

[FPF-DieHard]

Give the lyr PF's extra tractors, lol... That wont screw the Hydrans and it helps them get on par with the other races.

This is a good idea, they have none as it except the leader.  1 or 2 might be worth testing.

Speaking of testing, I want to try some stuff tommorow, any chance we can get 6 to show?

[Dizzy]

If you gave all the Lyr PF's 1 trac and left their shielding and Ph2's alone, I think they'd be good. Then mb bear would stop his whinning...

[Strafer]

Lyran PFs do suck by themselves, but flown correctly like the way Firesoul used to the are absolutely devestating.

Just thought that bears repeating...

Just copy/pasted that his way....

*FS|IG*
*FS|IG* it IS nice to be feared^H^H^H^H^H^Hremembered

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

It is the same situation of the Klink carriers getting drone racks to improve against Feds/Kzinti that screws the Hydrans....

I don't see how anything I've done is ANY worse than having to fight Kzin which happens a lot.   the C8VK is no where near as hard on the Hydrans as the Z-CVA and I don't think the smaller carriers are that hot.   Keep in mind, the klink fighter don't even get decent unitl 2277.   I also don't think with the proposed Carrier/Escort CnC it will be that bad at all.

Traditional enemies.  Hydrans are not normally expected to fight Kzinti CVAs....

Why does it always seem to be the Hydrans getting shafted?

Because I'm out to screw the Hydrans as much as I try to screw the Feds, guess you missed the memo

Hell, even I KNEW that!!

Isn't it bad enough they get stomped by droners as it is?

How many D5Ds did will kill on GW2?

Will?  Or you talking about me?  Killed lots of them.  But it was never in a fighter laden CA or CL.  It was H-LB's with 3 fighters that usually provided just an ounce of anti-drone support. (ie a CC vs a CL)

Maybe the Fed conjectural PF's should go away but that still leaves the Feds short against all the other races.

I'm thinking about it as with the stricter fleeting rules the "3rd way" might be posible.  Need more contemplation before I consider it as Father Ted may damn me to hell

Probably best, if you are going to make PFT's capital ships with requirements, ALL of them should be that way.  Even as much as I like to take the F-NHP solo... it should be a fleet type ship.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Give the lyr PF's extra tractors, lol... That wont screw the Hydrans and it helps them get on par with the other races.

This is a good idea, they have none as it except the leader.  1 or 2 might be worth testing.

Speaking of testing, I want to try some stuff tommorow, any chance we can get 6 to show?

Can a ship (even a pf) have defensive tractors but no real tractor?  Or is that going to be an unexpected consequences?

[FPF-DieHard]

Give the lyr PF's extra tractors, lol... That wont screw the Hydrans and it helps them get on par with the other races.

This is a good idea, they have none as it except the leader.  1 or 2 might be worth testing.

Speaking of testing, I want to try some stuff tommorow, any chance we can get 6 to show?

Can a ship (even a pf) have defensive tractors but no real tractor?  Or is that going to be an unexpected consequences?

No, but a PF tractoring a ship will just get owned.  Point-blank phaser blast from a cruiser kills these PFs.

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

Not sure yet, but I may be available tonight....

[FPF-DieHard]

I'm sick, need to rest for the rest of the week.   

Come monday, it would really be nice to have 6 available to test stuff

[Dizzy]

Total Crew in the shiplist needs to always be an even number. Whenever you have an odd number of deck crews or boarding parties and the shiplist comes in contact with 'shipedit' you get a partial crrew of .5 which causes a CTD when the game tries to load. Right now, the SG7 list has no partial crew. But there are some odd number of marine counts in base and max which should be fixed to even numbers. I didnt check to see if deck crews had an odd count, but u might want to DH just to be safe.