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Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« on: January 01, 2009, 07:07:19 pm »
Scanning  your  Computer .There is  part  where  you are  mentioned here  Pestalence  not  by  name  but  as  friend.I know  how  much  you  swear by  IE  over  other  browsers.Read  this  thread.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showthread.php?t=485436

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 08:39:02 am »
I read through that thread. What an unfortunate thread of misinformation.  :(
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 08:58:28 am »
I've noticed that, and a lot recently. It used to be that when I searched an error string I found helpful posts in threads and mailing lists about various problems and solutions involving that string. Now when you search stuff the number of hits on threads where nobody has a clue but the string you searched for is present are getting more and more prevalent, you have to dig deeper in the results lists now to find anything useful.

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 09:47:05 am »
I'm subscribing to blogs more often now. The info is usually more accurate.


Not sure if you'll be able to open or import this file. It's an export of my feeds from IE7. http://www.jerryhammond.net/feeds.zip

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 11:43:36 am »
OK.. with security in IE 8 and IE 7....

When you run a scan with AVG or Ad-Aware or even Spybot, you usually get a web address for the tracking cookies that pop up (usually provided by trojans that come in from ads).

In IE 7 and IE 8, if you open the browser before you remove the files, click on Tools>Internet Options, click on the Privacy tab, Click the Advanced button, make usre that you have Override Automatic Cookie Handling checked, and set First Party to Accept, Third Party Blocked and check Always allow session cookies, click OK.. and then click on sites button and enter the web addreses that Ad-Aware, AVG and Spybot found.. IE will now block those sites from installing tracking cookies and block trojans from those sites from infiltrating your system. Also use Spybot Search and Destroy to Immunize your computer Hosts files by scanning them and locking them will increase system security. Make sure that you also have the phishing filter and Ad-Blocker enabled.. and have the Ad-Blocker set to at least Medium level.. this will have most security set up on your browser.. I usually also make sure that the security settings in the security tab are set to default level or even a bit higher.. I never run lower than Med security on my IE.

As for Trojans and Viruses.. well let me put it this way.. I have been running IE 8 Beta 2 for about 4 months now with these settings... once I added sites to block to the Cookie Management during the first 2 weeks.. I have had a total of 0 infections or tracking cookies.

Last time I had a Trojan on my system was over 2 years ago. So IE 8 Beta 2 is pretty secure on its own.. I get 0 pop ups unless I tell IE 8 to allow pop ups, I get 0 tracking cookies on my system, I get 0 trojans on my system (I also verify using online virus scanners from Panda and Trend Micro)...

So seeing where people say Firefox is more secure.. how many add ons do you have to plug into it to get it secure.. I have 0 add ons on IE 8 to be secure.

No Script and Ad-Blocker add ons.. what a crock.. if people just learn to use IE properly, then there is no need for add ons.

The only advantage Firefox had over IE up until IE 8 was PNG Alpha Channel support.. IE 8 has PNG Alpha channel support in compliance mode.. plus in compliance mode it is W3C compliant in Acid 2 testing.. with the IE team working towards Acid 3 support.. Firefox is just now Acid 2 compliant.. when it doesn't break on certain sites with the add ons.

Plus on sites that don't look right in IE 8 Compliance mode.. IE 8 has a button at the address bar to set IE8 to IE 7 compatibility mode.. this disables the W3C Compliance coding and reverts back to IE 7 web page rendering (non-standard coding).

but it all lies in preferences.. to me IE 8 is much easier to use than the current version of Firefox.. plus I don't have to DL any add-ons to get it functioning properly.

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 06:51:18 pm »
The only part which bothered  me  was  that  person  calling  you  a moron.What  do  you  think of  this?

http://www.ie7pro.com/download.php

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 07:16:47 pm »
Hi Pest--

Nice post about IE. Just a note of observation. I think that in Vista the host files are protected by default and cannot be changed without removing the file from its directory, making any changes (such as a IP address addition) with notepad, and then placing the file back in its correct directory. I could be wrong though as it's been some months since I played around with that file setting.
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 07:22:53 pm »
The only part which bothered me was that person calling you a moron.What do you think of this?

http://www.ie7pro.com/download.php


IE7 Pro is a great add on for IE 7.. it is not compatible completely with IE 8 as of yet.

The only function I really ever used in IE7Pro was the YouTube Downloaqder.. but since that is a separate program available for download.. I don't need IE7Pro. The script blocker in it can interfere with many sites and you have to disable the filter. I also liked the My Space CSS filter to remove page formats from the god aweful backgrounds that people pick out.. but again that is now a separate download if desired..

Me... I just write my own CSS and have it overlay web sites with a right click function, overriding the site designer's layout. You can set your own CSS in the general tab of Internet Options of IE.. this has been built in ever since IE 5.

A moron is someone who does not know how to operate something that is built in.. IE is built in to Windows.. but there are hundreds of Morons who do not know how to configure or use it properly.. the easiest way to learn it is to play with the settings. The second easiest way is to research the settings IE has to offer.

Firefox is designed for people who are too lazy to set things up for themselves.. expecting others to do it for them.

Don't get me wrong.. Firefox gave options that took IE years to impliment.. but IE 8 seems to surpass Firefox for functionality, compatibility on sites, constant security updates released every month or even sooner for major risks where Firefox releases new builds.. it is easier to patch than to uninstall - reinstall every time an update is needed.

All I can say is like above.. it boils down to preference.. I like learning my software and computer.. as such I like to micromanage my settings.. IE allows me to do that with every single function.. Firefox, I have to get many plug-ins to do what IE does natively after configuring the settings a bit.

For me and a new PC.. I can have IE completely configured for the web securly in about 7 min. How long does it take to get all the plug-ins for Firefox and configure them?

Again it is preference.. there is not much difference between browsers now... basically the differences are layout.. as for Security.. IE gets updates as soon as threats are discovered.. How long does it take Firefox to put out an Update or a new build to address issues?

Anyhow.. I believe in what MS puts on to their systems.. up until IE 7 came out,, I used Opera and Firefox and IE 6.. IE 6 the most.. Firefox or Opera for sites using PNG Alpha images.. then IE 7 came out with IE7Pro and I imported PNG Alpha support into IE 7.. Now IE 8 has it built in natively .. so there is no need for any add ons in my book.. it is all built in.

But it is preference.. some people like the simplicity of Firefox with its default settings and installing add-ons to get proper functionality from their browser.. it was all the add-ons that drove me away from Firefox in the first place.. broken links or corrupted installs or sites not displaying properly.

Anyhow.. Just 1 person's opinion.
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 07:37:03 pm »
Hi Pest--

Nice post about IE. Just a note of observation. I think that in Vista the host files are protected by default and cannot be changed without removing the file from its directory, making any changes (such as a IP address addition) with notepad, and then placing the file back in its correct directory. I could be wrong though as it's been some months since I played around with that file setting.

You are correct, however Spybot write protects the file...

See Vista's hosts file is protected by the location of the file in the OS as part of the UAC. However many disable UAC which they should not do.. they should set it to Quiet mode... However the Hosts file is not write protected natively in Vista.. a good virus that bypasses UAC and Windows Security can edit the hosts file.. Spybot just scans the hosts file.. and write protects each domain and then write protects the file itself.

Most trojans try to attack the hosts file in order to self propogate on a system or to reinstall itself if removed. I happen to like the extra protection... However Windows Live Messenger sometimes doesn't like the Hosts file being write protected.. but to me that just means it is secure.
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 08:08:48 pm »
It  worked  I am not  getting  any  ads  from  that  site  anymore .The only thing  IE  needs  is its own  downloader.


They  still  don't  believe  a  thing  you  are  saying  over  there  as they  think  you  got  the  trojan  instead of  me.
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2009, 11:08:51 pm »
I read about how they said Firefox was so secure.. Hmmm...

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Firefox Users Beware of New Malware
Posted 12.05.2008 by Frank J in Computers, Internet,

Make sure your antivirus definitions are updated as many vendors will have an update for this malware quickly.

Researchers at BitDefender have discovered a new type of malicious software that collects passwords for banking sites but targets only Firefox users.

The malware, which BitDefender dubbed “Trojan.PWS.ChromeInject.A” sits in Firefox’s add-ons folder, said Viorel Canja, the head of BitDefender’s lab. The malware runs when Firefox is started.

The malware uses JavaScript to identify more than 100 financial and money transfer Web sites, including Barclays, Wachovia, Bank of America, and PayPal along with two dozen or so Italian and Spanish banks. When it recognizes a Web site, it will collect logins and passwords, forwarding that information to a server in Russia.

Firefox has been continually gaining market share against main competitor Internet Explorer since its debut four years ago, which may be one reason why malware authors are looking for new avenues to infect computers, Canja said.

Users could be infected with the Trojan either from a drive-by download, which can infect a PC by exploiting vulnerability in a browser, or by being duped into downloading it, Canja said.

When it runs on a PC, it registers itself in Firefox’s system files as “Greasemonkey,” a well-known collection of scripts that add extra functionality to Web pages rendered by Firefox.

BitDefender has updated its products to detect it, and other vendors will likely follow suit quickly, Canja said. Users could avoid it by only downloading signed, verified software, but that’s a measure that restricts the usability of a PC, he said.


Or how about

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Less than one day after its launch, Firefox 3 has a vulnerability.

According to Tipping Point's Zero Day Initiative, the vulnerability, which it rates as critical, was reported within the first five hours of Firefox 3's release.

"Once the vulnerability was verified in TippingPoint's DVLabs and acquired from the researcher, the vulnerability was promptly reported to the Mozilla security team," said a representative.

Although the Zero Day Initiative team does not offer specifics until the vendor has a chance to patch it, the blog post did say this vulnerability, which also affects Firefox 2, requires user interaction and could result in an attacker executing arbitrary code.

Mozilla is reported to be working on a fix.

The Zero Day Initiative has been criticized in the past for paying researchers who find vulnerabilities.

or how about

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Firefox has its plate full when it comes to security.  It has grown a substantial enough market share to place it in a strong second after Microsoft.  This gives it a high profile and leaves it a desirable target to be exploited by hackers and malware writers.  Worse yet, it has less money to fund security efforts that Microsoft, and according to some experts, less focus as well.

While small market share browsers like Opera and Chrome have built a reputation on their security (with Safari’s reputation for insecurity being a notable exception), Firefox continues to plod along in a day to day fight, trying to remain a secure platform while dealing with the challenges of browser celebrity.

Perhaps for this reason, Bit9, an application whitelisting firm that helps employers block employee access to certain apps, placed Firefox on the top its list of most vulnerable apps.  The remaining spots on the list were filled out with more familiar names, with two through twelve respectively being: Adobe Flash & Acrobat; EMC VMware Player, Workstation, and other products; Sun Java Runtime Environment; Apple QuickTime, Safari, and iTunes; Symantec Norton products; Trend Micro OfficeScan; Citrix products; Aurigma and Lycos image uploaders; Skype; Yahoo Assistant; and Microsoft Windows Live Messenger.

The Bit9 study looked at several factors in ranking vulnerability.  One factor was how popular the applications were.  Another factor was how many known vulnerabilities existed, and how severe they were.  Lastly, it looked at how hard patching was for the particular application.

In order to make the list, programs hand to run in Windows and not be centrally updatable via services such as Microsoft SMS and WSUS.  Many say that the survey was unfair to Apple products because it kept easier patched Microsoft applications off the list.

In some ways, though Bit9’s list is a useful benchmark.  It aptly points out that many networks have Firefox installations running on machines, without the system administrator being fully aware of the instance of these installs.  Thus, despite the fact that most of the vulnerabilities looked at have been patched, the installs may not receive these patches immediately, until the employee upgrades to the next edition of the browser.

The study’s conclusions only marginally apply to the consumer market.  However, when it comes to the business market, the study argues that picking or allowing employees to run Firefox, even with its security plug-ins, is a ticket to the IT danger zone as malware increasingly targets application layer targets such as Firefox.


So even experts state that MS IE is more secure than Firefox, especially in the business environment.

These articles come from Dec 5, 2008 to present.

As I stated.. IE 8 Beta 2 is the most secure and functional browser. Combine this with running Vista and you get even more built in security.. place on top of that 64 bit and Ultimate edition and a nice router.. you have a fortress.. add in bitlocker.. most hackers are hard pressed to infiltrate the system.

Also consider IE 8 Beta 2 installs several browers in 1 install.. given I run Vista Ultimate x64.. I have :

IE 8 Beta 2 x86
IE 8 Beta 2 x86 In Private
IE 8 Beta 2 x64
IE 8 Beta 2 x64 In Private
IE 8 Beta 2 x86 No Addons
IE 8 Beta 2 x86 No Addons In Private
IE 8 Beta 2 x64 No Addons
IE 8 Beta 2 x64 No Addons In Private

So I get a choice of which IE I want to use.. each one runs a separate instance and each one runs its own security..

Also setting the security tab to Med level and then customising non security issue settings to allow increased functionality without opening holes..

Also setting Cookies to Block third party will not stop incoming trojans.. but blocking the Addresses for the cookies left from trojans or tracking will prevent IE from allowing them to load on to your system.

I have used Avast AV in the past and recently also.. AVG has found many things that Avast has not found.. so it depends on what your preference is...

Personally I like Kapersky, but I don't like paying for it.. so I use AVG with Panda and Trend Micro to back up the results.. Spybot, I do not use Tea Timer or Browser Helper.. I only allow Spybot to scan my system and write protect my hosts file.. it does this by encrypting the domains and then encrypting the hosts file in such a way that only Spybot and Windows can alter the file.

You can disable the encryption using the Advanced settings checkbox, however I can't see any reason to decrypt the file.

Also UAC adds a security level when combined with Windows defender notifying you and blocking changes to the start up files and the OS.. Many disable UAC, but you should actually leave UAC operational and set it to quiet mode using TweakUAC.

If someone wants lessons on how to properly configure IE, then I would be glad to teach them..... So long as they are openminded and not a Firefox premadonna...

IE and Firecox both have exploits and security vulnerabilities.. Firefox is subceptable to Zero Day still through Quicktime faults that IE is not subceptable to.. the problems with Flash have been taken care of.. and IE 8 was patched for Zero Day 48 hours after detection.. Firefox users are still waiting a new build...

So please.. with all the $ MS has to dump into IE which they are doing.. and Mozilla is trying to stay up especially with Acid compliance... both browers are about the same with different lay outs...

in FF, you have to use No Script to block certain scripts.. which is an add on.. in IE, just go into security settings and put Scripts to either Prompt or Block.. it is built in.... In FF to stop Flash, you mostly have to use an addon.. in IE, you can set Active X controls to allow, block or prompt.... again built in..

IE allows you to re-arrange the tabs as you like.. again built in.. no addons needed...

It all boils down to preference.. IE gets updates every 2nd tuesday of the month.. or with major security risks.. within 48 hours of detection...

How long does Firefox take to fix exploits or vulnerabilities.. there are security risks in FF that have been outstanding since Dec 5.. IE's have been fixed 48 hours after detection.. so which is more secure?
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 11:17:06 pm »



So even experts state that MS IE is more secure than Firefox, especially in the business environment.




Now it is, but MS became complacent in the past and destroyed its reputation with regards to security.

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 08:27:31 am »



So even experts state that MS IE is more secure than Firefox, especially in the business environment.




Now it is, but MS became complacent in the past and destroyed its reputation with regards to security.

That does not excuse the misinformation those cretins are posting about FF.
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 01:07:11 pm »
Your link is from Jan 20, 2004.. have anything more recent?
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 01:18:09 pm »
Your link is from Jan 20, 2004.. have anything more recent?

Does a humour site need to be current?
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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 04:22:19 pm »
They  give  the  domain of this
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Internet Explorer - internetexplorer.com Microsoft doesn't even own this one. It's one of those generic search portals masquerading as an IE site.


I was  using FF avidly on my older machine but after  getting  my new one  I got  use  to  IE7 which has tapped browsing although I do have FF installed I would mostly  use the  for  downloading with dl them all.

They still probably  wouldn't believe  you.It iws not  easy  debating or  aruguing with those over there  just  ask  Manitoba has argued with all  of them.

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Re: Scanning your computer (Pestalence)
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 01:20:05 pm »
Yeap they are morons over there. No amount of truth will change there minds there. I say let them crash and burn.