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Tus

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USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« on: March 11, 2004, 04:16:18 pm »
Well here it is folks

Atolm asks what you all think the class name should be so start thinking

Hope ya enjoy me renders


   
   
   
   
   
   
 

Edit: Update
here she is again suffering some seperation anxieties (atolm always manages to keep me busy....)
 
 
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Core

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2004, 04:23:04 pm »
holy bludy nine hell
 

no ideas on the class name sence  Ive got no mind for ship names but this looks grat

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2004, 04:54:59 pm »
Simply wonderful!

What shall her class be named...

Perhaps one of these:

Vesuvius
Venture
Gladiator
Odysseus
Glory
Magnificence
Superior

Just some brainstorming ideas to start you off...

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2004, 05:00:19 pm »
 
Quote:

holy bludy nine hell
 

no ideas on the class name sence Ive got no mind for ship names but this looks grat
 



Thanks mate  

 
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 Simply wonderful!

What shall her class be named...

Perhaps one of these:

Vesuvius
Venture
Gladiator
Odysseus
Glory
Magnificence
Superior

Just some brainstorming ideas to start you off...  




Wow thanks for some K9
I was thinking Regent myself...but I am still looking for something better

And TUS,
Thanks greatly on hosting, posting, taking screen shots and Cleaning up the mesh
   

Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2004, 05:16:00 pm »
well i should note that all i've done so far is apply a smooth to the mesh (which doesn't transfer to well to mod) so this weekend i will start smoothing her manually (oh fun lol)

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2004, 06:27:48 pm »
 
Quote:

 well i should note that all i've done so far is apply a smooth to the mesh (which doesn't transfer to well to mod) so this weekend i will start smoothing her manually (oh fun lol)  




LOL Thanks anyway

She also needs some skin.....  

ModelsPlease

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2004, 06:42:40 pm »
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Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2004, 07:03:39 pm »
BTW:
How do you guys like the design???
Is 1701-G appropriate for the look???

Does she do the Name credit???  

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2004, 07:42:17 pm »
Personally I dig it.But if you are going for a "In the design line " look,redesign the saucer,get rid of the hole in the center.If we assume that the Ent J is that holographic image on Enterprise then I would think the Ent G model ,since it's about halfway between E and J perhaps it should look like a hybrid of the 2..... A flatter wider Sovie saucer/ maybe a thinner shorter secondary hull and a set of hybrid narcells.
1) Monarch Class
2) Legacy Class
3) Heritage Class
4) ENDURANCE CLASS

 
 
 

I think something more along this line would be a better candidate for the Ent G.
Maybe this new ship of yours could be the  Soulwolf G ?
My $.02
 
-MP
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E_Look

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2004, 09:42:08 pm »
Atolm, I never thought you'd ever make a hol(e)y ship!

Teeth_03

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2004, 10:00:34 pm »
maybe use some Latin-

"Semper Valebo"-should be translated as "I will always be strong"

Semper Valebo Class,could be,sounds more Romulan tho

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2004, 10:01:42 pm »
 
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 Atolm, I never thought you'd ever make a hol(e)y ship!  




What???
Are you serious??
I did the Windrunner...and the Freedom
The Alexander...
And all those Kryptonian ships
LOL

 
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DeltaAssault

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2004, 10:20:08 pm »
Looks alright, except for that freaky hole in the saucer. God, that's just silly. I mean, unless it's gonna be used as a obstacle course for cadets to fly trainers through......

CDEDS

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2004, 10:37:58 pm »
Azel/Atolm, buddy, I love your designs.....BUT....I don't think the hole is workin. I think maybe a recessed area would be appropriate, but like someone said, is that going to be used for training purposes? Threading the needle?

Lose, er, filll the hole and then you will have perfection.

Or reverse the saucer so the front part is open and attach. But that might look worse....don't listen to me. But fill the hole.

Please?

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2004, 10:39:27 pm »
I thought of a few more possible class names this evening:

Resplendent
Demeter
Jubilant

Also, (not a critique-rather an observation/opinion) this design has more of a resemblance to the ships of the 30th century Soulwolf Era. It seems that this G incarnation arrives too soon in the lineage and would more likely appear after the 26th century Enterprise J perhaps.

Instead of altering this design (as I think its wonderful) maybe another similar ship could be made. Two differences I suggest would be to (1) fill in the primary saucer and (2) slide the nacelles back so that they connect near their fronts rather than the back, giving it a more "Sovereign" look and the appearance of being "fast" like the "E'' incarantion. A third alteration could be reducing the height of the neck, again to show more resemblence to the "E".

Just some ways to make her look like a further refinement/evolution of the Enterprise lineage.  Just my .02

But don't anything to the version you have now! It's too cool!
 
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Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2004, 11:11:41 pm »
well two things i picked up when a saw her were one the similarities between it and the galaxy (naccels, saucer, neck) and the connie (pylons, overal height of the naccels and pylons)  
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Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2004, 11:14:44 pm »
OK do you guys Remember the 1701-F???
That is the original Soulwolf...That is what I am chasing to surpass
Not the J
As far as I am concern..all ships and planes go through an era or 2 that tries something new
the purpose of this is to think outside of the box...to test new ideas
look at the WW2 German aircraft designs...all of those ideas where made...some where very very
radical( totall asymetrical designs for example or manned cruise rockets)...
but without them...the jet engine would might not have ever be born
same goes for Steath tech...look at the F/A-117 Nighthawk vs the new F-22 Raptor and F-35 JSF
the Nighthawk looks nothing like its sucessors...but it was made

Not all the time must things be taken in baby steps...or the next "logical" step...sometimes the situation arises
where as the design will and must become radical to suite a particular situation

As always I thank you guys for your comments, opinions and Support
Just thought that you should know why I designed the ship the way that I did


Thanks

BTW keep those Names going  

Rod O'neal

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2004, 11:32:34 pm »
I think that the design looks physically balanced the way that it is. If the saucer was filled in then, IMO, to keep it balanced it would also have to be set back more to bring the CG into line and possibly move the nacelles as well. To me, it seems to work well like it is. Just my .02  

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2004, 11:37:34 pm »
I didn't realize the Soulwolf didn't start out as a ship of it's own,I actually had to go and look at it in my model viewer,Funny how I never noticed that lil ncc 1701 f  .Anyway, I actually like it better as a stand alone vessel ( which is now getting it's very own lineage ) Enterprise / Excelsior / Miranda /  Soulwolf   .That's my lil take on it.I hope you don't mind Azel sir. Dare I restate  Soulwolf G  for this ship  

Klingon Fanatic

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2004, 11:44:36 pm »
Nice ship. Looks like the FASA version of the Andorians won the design contest

Tus, are you working on any non-Federation ships?

KF

red_green

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2004, 11:55:47 pm »
nice design Azel. It has elements of your Windrunner and some of your Vulcans I think.  The lines are much more angular than traditional Feds. Great concept bud.  

Dallas

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2004, 12:17:09 am »
Neat looking ship. Has anyone else noticed that the saucer sections looks
like one of those paper thingies that you put on the toilet seat when using
a public restroom? Or am I losing my mind?    

ActiveX

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2004, 12:18:59 am »
You need to start with one to lose it...

Toasty0

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2004, 12:44:50 am »
Quote:

Neat looking ship. Has anyone else noticed that the saucer sections looks
like one of those paper thingies that you put on the toilet seat when using
a public restroom? Or am I losing my mind?    




LOL...that's a tough call there. I can see what you're talking about in regards to the look of the saucer section, but this thing about your mind...

Well, some things are bettrer left un-pondered.

Best,
Jerry  

DeltaAssault

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2004, 02:40:39 am »
Quote:

Neat looking ship. Has anyone else noticed that the saucer sections looks
like one of those paper thingies that you put on the toilet seat when using
a public restroom? Or am I losing my mind?    




Hehe, you're not losing your mind. I saw it too. Who knows, maybe two Borg Spheres will land on it... =)

Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2004, 08:02:01 am »
Quote:


Tus, are you working on any non-Federation ships?
 



nope, right now i only clean up the meshes atolm gives me.  hopefully i'll be able to start work on the Tornado sometime soon.

Tus

Toasty0

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2004, 10:12:19 am »
I mean no disrespect to the artist who put in all the time on this model, but, being Toasty0 I just can't but ask this question:


Is this the new commode class starship we Klingons have been hearing about?
     

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2004, 11:42:39 pm »
bump  

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2004, 06:18:40 am »
Quote:

I mean no disrespect to the artist who put in all the time on this model, but, being Toasty0 I just can't but ask this question:


Is this the new commode class starship we Klingons have been hearing about?
     





  Do not make this ship the butt of anymore jokes,to do so would be (assinine)sp?
J/K I couldn't resist.  

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2004, 11:37:02 am »
How is the progress going, Tus?  I am really excited about it myself... yes, the hole is weird, but it's still very cool!
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Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2004, 01:15:39 pm »
well right now i'm cleaning up the mesh as for textures, well i hope theres a volunteer out there cause if i do them (which will be after the soul wolf era fleet which well take me at least 6 months at my current rate) it will take me till christmas to get it done lol

Tus

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2004, 01:18:31 pm »
She will be done when shes done
lol  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2004, 11:30:43 am »
Ok as for the Class Names listed Thus far
Which should be Chosen:

Glory
Venture
Regent
Monarch
Legacy
Endurance

Or is there something better???
Thanks  

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2004, 11:35:18 am »
Venture!  

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2004, 12:08:16 pm »
Okay.... 'Venture' is good.... 'Monarch' for a second perhaps... suits it,,,but-
Venture is my final vote...    

InterMech

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2004, 07:41:00 pm »
First off, great ship. I have absolutely no problem with the hole in the sauser which I think would make for some pretty cool fighter-based battles. The following are my name suggestions:

Enochos Class :Greek for pending judgement.
Shephet Class: Aramaic for dealling out judgement.
Anakrino Class: Greek for ask,  judge, or search (if you think about it, the basic duties of starfleet are "diplomacy (asking), Defence (judgement), and exploration (searching)

Just a few "out of the box" suggestions.

Interstellar Machine

 

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2004, 11:03:21 pm »
Okay, excellent out-of-the-box thinking, Intermech... Anakrino.... good ring...  

Anthony_Scott

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2004, 09:26:10 am »
I am bumping this one too...it is beginning to grow on me..nice design!

Semper Fi, Carry On

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2004, 12:59:15 pm »
OK I am narrowing the names down to Monarch and Venture
you pic  

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2004, 01:16:47 pm »
You already know what I voted for.    

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2004, 11:54:10 pm »
Venture,
and,

bump-holio!  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2004, 12:41:08 pm »
Ok Then Venture-Class, USS Enterprise-G it will be  

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2004, 01:06:12 pm »
Yay!    

battlestar001

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2004, 01:49:20 pm »
The Uss Enterprise, Venture Class. Has a ring to it dont u think?

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2004, 12:05:05 am »
Quote:

The Uss Enterprise, Venture Class. Has a ring to it dont u think?  




good wording!  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2004, 01:16:01 pm »
I'll try to get some of my basic novice  textures
This weekend (I hope )
 

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2004, 11:47:17 pm »
bump  

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2004, 08:30:50 am »
Bumpin' 'cause she's neat!

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2004, 09:07:16 am »
Bumpin' again for the same reason.

Cleeve

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2004, 09:20:05 am »
Nice work, dudes.

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2004, 04:03:19 pm »
Thanks Guys
And Thanks Cleeve...Good to see you back sir
 

DarkScream

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2004, 06:07:11 pm »
any idea when she might be ready??

DarkScream

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2004, 05:08:32 pm »
what is happening with this :S I love this ship but no updates in a long time now

Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2004, 05:26:31 pm »
umm....  well its kinda on the back burner till i finsish the soul wolf era fleet or until someone takes it up with atolm to texture here

DarkScream

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2004, 04:37:08 am »
This one still on the back burner? love to see it get finished.

Kaenyne

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2004, 08:52:52 am »
Oh Man! I was hoping she would be next after the Soulwolf. Oh well...  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2004, 01:59:54 pm »
I need a texturer  

Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2004, 04:04:38 pm »
nope, still got several ships in the soul wolf era to finsh up  

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2004, 11:48:20 pm »
somebody do it please!!!! its was right next to the Soulwolf and ENt-Z for being one of my favorites! Its very sleepk, llike the Soveriegn, nice weight reduction in the saucer..... c'mon, someone pick her up!  

Fallen_Warrior

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2004, 02:40:21 am »
i agree someone make this ship

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2004, 09:31:14 am »
the ship is made...she needs skin  

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2004, 07:19:08 pm »
Would someone please put some clothes (textures) on her so we can take her out for a spin.
PLEASE
 
-MP  

111wallace111

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2004, 07:13:11 am »
Working on it

Maxillius

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2004, 03:08:03 pm »
Hate to break it to you, but Venture has been taken.  Remember that little ship Data stole at the start of Insurrection, the one that couldn't outfly a shuttle?  That's the Venture.


I think the Enterprise-G looks moer aggressive, possibly a fighter carrier with that hole in the saucer.


Python class has a nice ring to it

CaptainTombs

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2004, 08:13:04 pm »


 
 
 

has anyone kitbashed or made this ship?!?

Back to the Topic tho gotta love the design , Azel you truly are a God

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2004, 06:04:50 am »
No nobody to my knowledge has done that ship yet. I loved the design as well.  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2004, 04:54:07 pm »
 
Quote:

Hate to break it to you, but Venture has been taken. Remember that little ship Data stole at the start of Insurrection, the one that couldn't outfly a shuttle? That's the Venture.


I think the Enterprise-G looks moer aggressive, possibly a fighter carrier with that hole in the saucer.


Python class has a nice ring to it  
 




OH yeah...lol
ok ok ok
Lets see.... then I'll go with  Regent-Class
so it will be the
 Regent-Class, USS Enterprise 1701-G
 

Maxillius

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2004, 09:18:45 pm »
Of course, since the Federation people wouldn't take to kindly to an agressive ship class, simply one that looks "modern" with a "stately" name

Reverend

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2004, 11:07:37 pm »
Well, in hindsight, I don't think Fed folks would take too kindly to The-Beheader-of-F***ing-Jem'Hadars Class...

Regent fits it well, I agree....  

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2004, 03:31:58 pm »
Bump for news???
 

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2004, 04:00:06 pm »
Quote:

Bump for news???
 




You want news ? I got that photoshop 8  today and I'm learning how to dress the ships.
 
-MP    

Azel

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2004, 06:36:09 pm »
 
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Bump for news???
 


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You want news ? I got that photoshop 8 today and I'm learning how to dress the ships.
 



Careful mate, If you get good I'll have to draft you into my service... and you'll catch me
saying "textures please"
 

Tus

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2004, 06:47:46 pm »
trust me on that one lol  though when you get the hang of it you'll have a ball day

ModelsPlease

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Re: USS Enterprise: NCC - 1701 G (modeled by atolm)
« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2004, 11:36:50 am »
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Bump for news???
 


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You want news ? I got that photoshop 8 today and I'm learning how to dress the ships.
 



Careful mate, If you get good I'll have to draft you into my service... and you'll catch me
saying "textures please"
 




I look forward to that day Azel.