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What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« on: August 01, 2004, 05:55:15 am »
I'm just curious....any SFB'ers know?

Some Fed ships with the G, like a FFG, DNG stand for "Improved".   If the BCG is a "Improved BCH", then where is the base one?

Then we have the DDG which is a "Guided Weapons Destroyer".   If it is a "Guided Weapons BCH", shouldn't the BCG have more then 6 drone control?

Or does it mean nothing at all, in which case, why wasn't it just called the F-BCH?
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2004, 06:17:51 am »
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2004, 06:23:34 am »
G Rack refit, that's all. The FF with a refit to G rack became the FFG. Why the BCG was so named I know not, there is no base BCH as such, so it was probably just carrying on the convention, FFG, DDG, etc etc.

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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2004, 06:41:33 am »
I thought the "+" refits were what gave them G racks.....

CC+, CA+, DN+

Then again, that's not always the case, as the DD+ doesn't get drones.....BAH !!

so basically, they just don't make sense....lol   Damn confusing Feds !
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2004, 06:46:41 am »
I agree with Gook,

I have however seen one explanation of the G standing for "galaxy" in reference to these ships the Kirov and the smaller classes being of an exploration type, with a balanced weapons system and being more multi-roled.

not everything is so clear as the "Z" in the "Mirak" designations standing for Kzinti, I guess this didn't infringe upon Niven's copyright...... ;D
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2004, 08:24:15 am »
Sigh, such confusion and complication over such a SIMPLE issue...

The BC G has what? G RACKS.
The BC F  has what? F TORPS.
The BC J  has what? Just enough power to move!

Case closed.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2004, 09:44:32 am »
ACtually, it is based off of the US Navy's designations.

-G stands for Guided Missile....

So DDG is a guided missile destroyer.



CG guided missile cruiser...

CGN is nuclear powered guided missile cruiser

Remember, SFB was based off of WWII (& post war) navies...
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2004, 11:08:53 am »
Quote from: Bearslayer on August 01, 2004, 09:44:32 am
ACtually, it is based off of the US Navy's designations.

-G stands for Guided Missile....

So DDG is a guided missile destroyer.



CG guided missile cruiser...

CGN is nuclear powered guided missile cruiser

Remember, SFB was based off of WWII (& post war) navies...


Bear, you beat me to it.  :P :)
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2004, 11:43:58 am »
And I always thought the Z in Mirak was due to the following...

M = Monster
I = ISC
R = Rommie
A = ???
K = Klingon...

So, when faced with the choice of starting the ships with the obscure "A" for Mirak, or going with the "informally used" Z from SFB, they chose the second... :D


On the BCx issue, the thought is this.  On the bottom of the secondary hull, there's a weapon's pod (dorsal turret).  Depending on what weapon they put there, determines what class it is...

F-BCG = "guided weapons" model, as it has 2 B-racks in the dorsal turret
F-BCF = "Plasma F" model, guess what it has instead of B-racks...
F-BCJ = "New Jersey" class.  Photon boat with shock.  Why they call it the New Jersey class (due to frequent breakdowns???) is beyond me, but there it is...
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2004, 12:21:00 pm »
Quote from: Julin Eurthyr on August 01, 2004, 11:43:58 am

F-BCJ = "New Jersey" class.  Photon boat with shock.  Why they call it the New Jersey class (due to frequent breakdowns???) is beyond me, but there it is...

You know, that kind of makes sense if you think about it . . .
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2004, 05:54:21 pm »
Quote from: AJTK on August 01, 2004, 08:24:15 am
Sigh, such confusion and complication over such a SIMPLE issue...

The BC G has what? G RACKS.
The BC F  has what? F TORPS.
The BC J  has what? Just enough power to move!

Case closed.


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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2004, 06:58:32 pm »
Quote from: Bearslayer on August 01, 2004, 09:44:32 am
ACtually, it is based off of the US Navy's designations.

-G stands for Guided Missile....

So DDG is a guided missile destroyer.



CG guided missile cruiser...

CGN is nuclear powered guided missile cruiser

Remember, SFB was based off of WWII (& post war) navies...




That's always been my interpretation....


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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2004, 07:17:26 pm »
Quote from: AJTK on August 01, 2004, 08:24:15 am
Sigh, such confusion and complication over such a SIMPLE issue...

The BC G has what? G RACKS.
The BC F  has what? F TORPS.
The BC J  has what? Just enough power to move!

Case closed.

I'm pretty sure Julin's explanation is correct. (And I remember BCG was termed Kirov back in SFC1 days, BCF is Bismack, and BCJ is as mentioned, New Jersey.)

BUT I LOVE this explanation!! :D
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2004, 06:26:10 am »
Quote from: Julin Eurthyr on August 01, 2004, 11:43:58 am


On the BCx issue, the thought is this.  On the bottom of the secondary hull, there's a weapon's pod (dorsal turret).  Depending on what weapon they put there, determines what class it is...

F-BCG = "guided weapons" model, as it has 2 B-racks in the dorsal turret
F-BCF = "Plasma F" model, guess what it has instead of B-racks...
F-BCJ = "New Jersey" class.  Photon boat with shock.  Why they call it the New Jersey class (due to frequent breakdowns???) is beyond me, but there it is...

I figured as much about the BCG... though for a Federation Battlecruiser, with all those sensors for "peaceful exploration"  ;)  , you'd think it could control more then 6 drones.  Then again, the DDG is listed as a "Guided weapons destroyer" and it has 2 G-racks and 6 drone control.   I guess Feds just can't control their drones.... lol.

And I would suppose the "G" in the DNG could be for guided weapons since it has 4 racks, but the FFG isn't since it only has one.   They should of called the FFG, the FF+.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2004, 06:39:18 am »
I've been saying for over a year now that the BCG needs 12 drone control. The BCV, which is the same ship(plus fighters) has double drone capability, why not the BCG? The BCF and BCJ don't really need it due to their weapon's layout, but the -G is a bit hamstrung against a C7.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2004, 07:01:54 am »
Just before I say it, does anybody care for the SFB doctrinal reason why the BCG has "normal" drone control. It doesn't worry me either way because I don't use them.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2004, 07:06:59 am »
Quote from: Cleaven on August 02, 2004, 07:01:54 am
Just before I say it, does anybody care for the SFB doctrinal reason why the BCG has "normal" drone control. It doesn't worry me either way because I don't use them.

Go for it. 

Why does SFB say the BCG needs 6 control?
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2004, 07:26:55 am »
PS.

The main purpose of this thread was to clearify what the "G" in the Kirov class battlecuiser stands for.  It is a little confusing as some stand for "Improved" and others stand for "Guided weapons".

While I can't see the logic in a "Guided Weapons Battlecruiser"  only having 6 drone control, I can cope with it the way it is.   I usually don't fly it anyways as I don't think it can compete with other BCH's.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2004, 11:48:59 am »
Quote from: Capt Jeff on August 02, 2004, 07:06:59 am
Quote from: Cleaven on August 02, 2004, 07:01:54 am
Just before I say it, does anybody care for the SFB doctrinal reason why the BCG has "normal" drone control. It doesn't worry me either way because I don't use them.

Go for it. 

Why does SFB say the BCG needs 6 control?

In SFB, those G-Racks would be shooting AMD on the klingon front. 

A BCH would also never fly alone and additional drones could be controlled by other ships in the fleet.  The BCV has 12 control to assist it's F-14 fighters.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2004, 12:11:53 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on August 02, 2004, 11:48:59 am




A BCH would also never fly alone and additional drones could be controlled by other ships in the fleet. 

Sounds about right.   But what about in SFC?   

One ship per player is the rule it seems nowadays.

Taking all other races BCH's into account, is there any that are inferior to a BCG ?
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2004, 12:14:23 pm »
Quote from: Capt Jeff on August 02, 2004, 12:11:53 pm


Taking all other races BCH's into account, is there any that are inferior to a BCG ?

Yes, there are.  But this is where the "improvements" cause a balance issue.   The F-BCG is fine until you start improving every other race's BCH.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2004, 08:47:51 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on August 02, 2004, 12:14:23 pm
Quote from: Capt Jeff on August 02, 2004, 12:11:53 pm


Taking all other races BCH's into account, is there any that are inferior to a BCG ?

Yes, there are.  But this is where the "improvements" cause a balance issue.   The F-BCG is fine until you start improving every other race's BCH.

We're not talking about a Mog refit of the Kzinti BCH here, all we're asking for is to upgrade the drone control from 6 to 12 so it can compete on even terms with the C7.
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2004, 09:06:41 pm »
Quote from: Father Ted on August 02, 2004, 08:47:51 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on August 02, 2004, 12:14:23 pm
Quote from: Capt Jeff on August 02, 2004, 12:11:53 pm


Taking all other races BCH's into account, is there any that are inferior to a BCG ?

Yes, there are.  But this is where the "improvements" cause a balance issue.   The F-BCG is fine until you start improving every other race's BCH.


We're not talking about a Mog refit of the Kzinti BCH here, all we're asking for is to upgrade the drone control from 6 to 12 so it can compete on even terms with the C7.

Then can we strip out 2  racks from the C7 and replace them with ESGs to "compete" with the BCF?  ;D

-Even ignoring that stupid request (although if you want to do it..)
Once you give the BCG 12 drone control you have a near even matchup betweem a BCG and a C7.
Ooops- no wait, the BCG has 2AMD6 (iirc) against the C7's 1AMD12.. but then the BCG also has the G racks, now the advantage lies with the BCG, unless of course you change the BCG's G racks to B racks, then the advantage still (kinda) lies with the BCG as it has 2 seperate drone racks instead of the one, so you'd have to put them together...
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2004, 09:16:55 pm »
Sorry shorty, but the C7 doesn't need ESG's to hold its own. Besides, Lyran BCH's can run rings around both ships. What's the problem? ;)
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2004, 09:26:38 pm »
Quote from: Father Ted on August 02, 2004, 09:16:55 pm
Sorry shorty, but the C7 doesn't need ESG's to hold its own. Besides, Lyran BCH's can run rings around both ships. What's the problem? ;)

............

Well actually Ted, see yer kinda screwing me up here.
You were supposed to go on a tear and a rant about how only the BCG needed improvement, which would draw the Klingons in, then everyone else, with the eventual result that the BCHP's would get PlasmaD and 4 "F" racks (See? I wasn't even going to be greedy)

Now I'm kinda stuck...  :banghead:
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Re: What does the G in the F-BCG stand for??
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2004, 09:27:37 pm »
Quote from: Father Ted on August 02, 2004, 09:16:55 pm
...Lyran BCH's can run rings around both ships...

Only if they're allied in SFC, or within in SFB ;)
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