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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2005, 03:46:22 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 02:06:39 pm
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)

What's the D77?  What book?
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2005, 03:49:43 pm »
http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/sft40.htm

Sheesh, EVen I knew about this.

And you're supposed to be a SFB Aficionado.

Of course the CAC is kinda amusing as well.  ::)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2005, 04:24:47 pm »
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 02:06:39 pm
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2005, 04:27:15 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 04:24:47 pm
Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

T'is an old and silly joke, isn't it fellas?  ::)
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2005, 04:33:50 pm »
Having tried the Fed and Hydran DNM's so far, they are no better than the equivalent DNH's. The H-DNM loses 2 power to the Regent, and the F-DNM is basically a DNH which swaps a Ph-3 for a G-rack. Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2005, 04:38:53 pm »
The Lyran DNM is far inferior to the DNH (I think- again I know squat about DN's)
I really wish everyone would keep quiet about the drone control.
Was looking forward to Feds popping them on SGO.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2005, 04:51:04 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 04:24:47 pm
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 02:06:39 pm
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif


Load up a D77 in ShipEdit...first thing you'll note is that she handles like a pig....all your dizzies are FA...and the thing is fighter bait on a plate....

Scary ship......yeah...sure ...on paper...;)

Although the CaC would be a wet dream escort....I still think it could fall prey to a concerted long range barrage....quite scary IMHO...
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2005, 05:03:31 pm »
Actually I like the "scary weapons" article.
Although I'm sure the Gatling Hellbore isn't as scary as I'm thinking,
I'm betting it wouldn't be to pleasant.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2005, 06:01:47 pm »
Quote from: 762_XC on January 01, 2005, 04:33:50 pm
Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2005, 06:29:11 pm »
So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2005, 06:35:03 pm »
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2005, 06:35:21 pm »
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 04:24:47 pm
Quote from: KBF-Crim on January 01, 2005, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: FPF-DieHard on January 01, 2005, 02:06:39 pm
The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 


When the D77 makes the list...sure... ::)


Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   ;D

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

I can't read this very well. Is the CAC armed with 6 DTTY? What the heck is that?

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2005, 06:47:02 pm »
The CAC is armed with 16 PhG's and One drone rack.

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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2005, 07:04:13 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy on January 01, 2005, 06:35:03 pm
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

Since every server admin can adjust the shiplist to their own desires and needs, this really only affects GSA play.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2005, 07:04:30 pm »
16 PhG's under range 3 would do at least 192 points. That's good to give a DN a very bad day and anything else certain death. Scary ship. Should they be available as regular line ships on SG4?

;) j/k
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2005, 07:39:13 pm »
Quote from: Dizzy on January 01, 2005, 06:01:47 pm
Quote from: 762_XC on January 01, 2005, 04:33:50 pm
Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control.  :screwloose:

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.
Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on January 01, 2005, 06:29:11 pm
So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???
Quote from: Dizzy on January 01, 2005, 06:35:03 pm
Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

As we all know, the drone control rating of a ship is equal (or double) to it's sensor rating, which on most  ships is 6.  I say most, as there are many ships that have sensor ratings other than six.  The C10 is a good example.  It's sensor rating is 8, which means it should have a drone control of 8, not 6.  The Fed DNH has a sensor rating of 10, thus should have a drone control of 10.  I think the confusion here has to do with how the sensor rating is shown on the SSD's.  Each box has a number, starting with 0 and ending with 6.  These numbers have to do with die rolls on a 1d6 (as your sensors take damage and boxes are checked off), not the sensor rating itself.  So, the question becomes, is there some limitation in the game that requires a drone control of 6 or 12?  I have not tested this myself.

Of course, I'm not up on the ins and outs of the SFB rule set concerning this, so I could be wrong.  Any old-time SFBers want to clear this up for me?
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2005, 08:00:07 pm »
Round it back up to 12 if you can't have 8 or 10. It's insufficent control for what the ship carries.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2005, 09:00:45 pm »
Went and did some testing...drone control rating is NOT limited to 6 or 12.  I tried the F-DNH with 10 d.c. and the K-C10K with 8 d.c. and sure enough, could only control 10 and 8 drones, respectively.

And taking a look through the shiplist and a number of different ssd's...yup, there would be a lot of changes to the drone races' drone control ability.  Personally, I think this needs discussion.

EDIT:  Ok, I've been corrected in some MSN discussions on this, I guess the drone control always starts as 6 (or 12).
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2005, 09:47:25 pm »
I really don't see any need for drone control to be upped.
Personally I think it will make us all better players if we leave the control rating low.
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Re: OP+ 4.0
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2005, 09:58:36 pm »
IIRC...the Taldren standard was "any ship having 4 or more racks" was supposed to have 12 control...take it for what it is...
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