OP+ 4.0

[FireSoul]

http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163350701.0.html

Nuf said? 

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

*rubs hands together*

Been waiting on this....

DL'ing as I type!!

Can't wait to try the F-CS.

[FireSoul]

So? How is the F-CS?

[Hexx]

*rubs hands together*

Been waiting on this....

DL'ing as I type!!

Can't wait to try the F-CS.

LOL Uhmm Im thinking this ship may get restricted on most servers.
Although being able to do 31 holding 4 Photons and 1 ecm with 8Ph1's and 2 Drone racks, and of course effectively 4AMD
in 66 might not concern people as much as I think it will.

Anyone know what the design idea behind the Lioness CA (CAL) was?
Marine ship?

[FireSoul]

*rubs hands together*

Been waiting on this....

DL'ing as I type!!

Can't wait to try the F-CS.

LOL Uhmm Im thinking this ship may get restricted on most servers.
Although being able to do 31 holding 4 Photons and 1 ecm with 8Ph1's and 2 Drone racks, and of course effectively 4AMD
in 66 might not concern people as much as I think it will.

Anyone know what the design idea behind the Lioness CA (CAL) was?
Marine ship?

1- The F-CS Prometheus was a prototype. Only 1 was made. .. and 4AMDs? .. you mean 2, right? Yes, it should be restricted.





2- the L-CAL was to take the center of a DN (used when converting a CA to DN), and putting DD sides to it. Only 1 was made. They found that while this was an decent warship, it takes away the center from a DN which was a bad thing.

The center part has 15 warps, the DD sides have 8 warps each. That's 31 warps which is unique.



-- Luc

[Commander Maxillius]

*rubs hands together*

Been waiting on this....

DL'ing as I type!!

Can't wait to try the F-CS.

LOL Uhmm Im thinking this ship may get restricted on most servers.
Although being able to do 31 holding 4 Photons and 1 ecm with 8Ph1's and 2 Drone racks, and of course effectively 4AMD
in 66 might not concern people as much as I think it will.

Anyone know what the design idea behind the Lioness CA (CAL) was?
Marine ship?

66?  That's early era, right?  There are ships in late that can't hold 4 photons and do 31. 

There wouldn't happen to be any Romulan designs for a Warbird with a stolen Fed warp engine, would there?

[Ravok]

 Thanks FireSoul!

[Hexx]

*rubs hands together*

Been waiting on this....

DL'ing as I type!!

Can't wait to try the F-CS.

LOL Uhmm Im thinking this ship may get restricted on most servers.
Although being able to do 31 holding 4 Photons and 1 ecm with 8Ph1's and 2 Drone racks, and of course effectively 4AMD
in 66 might not concern people as much as I think it will.

Anyone know what the design idea behind the Lioness CA (CAL) was?
Marine ship?

1- The F-CS Prometheus was a prototype. Only 1 was made. .. and 4AMDs? .. you mean 2, right? Yes, it should be restricted.





-- Luc

Nah I saw it has 2AMD, but with also having 2 G racks not many drones are going to be hitting that puppy.  


As others have said FS, thanks!

You've done an amazing job (again)

Now any chance of a "future" OP update including things like the Lyran CV's /BCV's?
I know they can be added, but I'd love to see them get their own model folder.

Thanls Again!

[Capt_Bearslayer_XC]

F-CS+ is a decent ship for mid era. 

And the NCL can run 31 with 4 photons armed while having more spare power to boot.

Late era it will get 'pwn3d' except by you, Hexx.

I am worried about facing those new Klink mauler DN's though... K-MB10 with 57 batteries?!?!?!?!?!?

ACK!!!!

[Hexx]

True, but the NCL+ has 2 less Ph1's One less drone rack and one less AMD.
CS+ is a better ship, out 5(?) years earlier.

Now I have to run off and chaeck out that mauler you were looking at, make sure they're not better
than the Lyran ones..   

[FireSoul]

Now I have to run off and chaeck out that mauler you were looking at, make sure they're not better
than the Lyran ones..   

Only the Lyrans built a DN Mauler (the STL). The other ships are from R9 and are conjectural.
Before you ask, only the Gorns apparently build a War DN (the DNC which is in a CL somewhere). DNWs are CL or CW conversions to DNs. They mostly are sucky.

Only the ISC built an actual DNM. 2 in fact. DNMs are DNLs improved to DNH status, losing their fast status and returning to a move cost of 1.5. Why? This was done in X-ship era when all xships are 'fast'. DNLs are kinda a waste as they are and are far more effective as DNMs.

[FPF-DieHard]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

PS.  Anyone else notie the Dro
ne Control on the F-DNH and K-C10K?   

[Hexx]

Tis OK anywya, imho the STL is better than the M8.
(Although the Rom Mauler DN with 50 (!) batteries and 9 Ph1's might be nasty.)

Yeah War DN's didn't impress me that much .
The Klingon DNM and Kzin DNM seem... nasty though (14Ph1 7 racks and 6 dizzies on the Klink,)
Of course the Fed one is worse.. (7 AMD and 7 Gracks I think?)
But is the Fed supposed to come out 10 years (effectively) after the otehrs, Lyran 77, Klink + Mirak 80, Feds 90?

(Havent looked at the ISC yet, lol)

[FireSoul]

Are you just looking at ship stats, or are you flying them and checking out the models too? There's a lot of new stuff in there..

[762_XC]

THANK YOU Firesoul, especially for the fighter group fixes!  

[Hexx]

Are you just looking at ship stats, or are you flying them and checking out the models too? There's a lot of new stuff in there..

Looking at the stats for the big beaasties Ill never fly, but going through the Lyrans ship by ship.
(Course I had to change all the models, but you've done such an excellent job I'll forgive you)

[FPF-DieHard]

Tis OK anywya, imho the STL is better than the M8.
(Although the Rom Mauler DN with 50 (!) batteries and 9 Ph1's might be nasty.)

Yeah War DN's didn't impress me that much .
The Klingon DNM and Kzin DNM seem... nasty though (14Ph1 7 racks and 6 dizzies on the Klink,)
Of course the Fed one is worse.. (7 AMD and 7 Gracks I think?)
But is the Fed supposed to come out 10 years (effectively) after the otehrs, Lyran 77, Klink + Mirak 80, Feds 90?

(Havent looked at the ISC yet, lol)

Um, hexx, the 7 AMD are the 7 AMD from the G-Racks.   It doesn't have 14 AMD.

DNMs would come out whenever X-ships become available.  Are they really any worse than the DNHs or the respective races?

[Hexx]

Tis OK anywya, imho the STL is better than the M8.
(Although the Rom Mauler DN with 50 (!) batteries and 9 Ph1's might be nasty.)

Yeah War DN's didn't impress me that much .
The Klingon DNM and Kzin DNM seem... nasty though (14Ph1 7 racks and 6 dizzies on the Klink,)
Of course the Fed one is worse.. (7 AMD and 7 Gracks I think?)
But is the Fed supposed to come out 10 years (effectively) after the otehrs, Lyran 77, Klink + Mirak 80, Feds 90?

(Havent looked at the ISC yet, lol)

Um, hexx, the 7 AMD are the 7 AMD from the G-Racks.   It doesn't have 14 AMD.

DNMs would come out whenever X-ships become available.  Are they really any worse than the DNHs or the respective races?

Hmm, well I count 7AMD on the ship as well as 7 G racks. Of course I haven't been paying attention alot so if the Grack fix has been done I'll just be quiet now.

Personally I think the DNm's are far superior to the DNH's. But I aslo know nothing of DN's (as I demonstarted the otehr night) so who am I to say.
Also only the Fed DnM (90) come out with the Xships, everything else seems to be 77 (Lyran) to 83 (Gorn and ISC?)

I really,really, really like the CAL thing btw, to bad they didn't do a power refit for it ...
 I'm sure I'd be almost invincible...

BTW isn't there supposed to be a L variant of the PFp's for the Lyrans?
- Not asking if FS missed something (what with 5k ships or so), just thought I remembered seeing one in the SSD books.

[KOTH-Green]

Thanks FS for again breathing new life into an old game.   

[KBF-Crim]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure...

[FPF-DieHard]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure...

What's the D77?  What book?

[Hexx]

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/sft40.htm

Sheesh, EVen I knew about this.

And you're supposed to be a SFB Aficionado.

Of course the CAC is kinda amusing as well. 

[FPF-DieHard]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure...

Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

[Strafer]

Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   

T'is an old and silly joke, isn't it fellas? 

[762_XC]

Having tried the Fed and Hydran DNM's so far, they are no better than the equivalent DNH's. The H-DNM loses 2 power to the Regent, and the F-DNM is basically a DNH which swaps a Ph-3 for a G-rack. Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control. 

[Hexx]

The Lyran DNM is far inferior to the DNH (I think- again I know squat about DN's)
I really wish everyone would keep quiet about the drone control.
Was looking forward to Feds popping them on SGO.

[KBF-Crim]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure...

Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif

Load up a D77 in ShipEdit...first thing you'll note is that she handles like a pig....all your dizzies are FA...and the thing is fighter bait on a plate....

Scary ship......yeah...sure ...on paper...

Although the CaC would be a wet dream escort....I still think it could fall prey to a concerted long range barrage....quite scary IMHO...

[Hexx]

Actually I like the "scary weapons" article.
Although I'm sure the Gatling Hellbore isn't as scary as I'm thinking,
I'm betting it wouldn't be to pleasant.

[Dizzy]

Sounds good until you realize the thing has 7 G-racks and 6 drone control. 

Hehe, the C10K has 6 drone ctrl and 8 B-racks.

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

So what's the reason for having more drone racks than control allows for? ???

[Dizzy]

Well it used to have 12. But the whole FS project is moving right along toward SFB town and leaving SFC behind altogether. Which is good and bad. This is a popular move for the Klingon playerbase, lol!

[IndyShark]

The F-CS should be considered a specialty ship like a fast cruiser. 

When the D77 makes the list...sure...

Saw the SSD.   Please tell me you are joking   

The F-CAC, OMG is this OTT!   

I can't read this very well. Is the CAC armed with 6 DTTY? What the heck is that?

http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sft/images/R2_j5_cac.gif