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[Kroma BaSyl]

DH is going to bring it back up.

1) Feds can ignore LOS inorder to create a resupply in original allied space (i.e. no flipping original Rom bases or planets fed should the alliance make any such gains).

2) OOB rules still apply, as do all other rules.

3) try to have fun, and novel idea.

4) if it ain't fun or you feel this is unfair, don't play, I wouldn't want anyone to feel that they are wasting their time on a game that isn't fun. If you decide not to play, Jinn has agreed to refund your money, simply PM him your checking account number and the funds will be withd....errrr....depostied.

5) whomever kills Butcher (Alliance or Coalitin) gets a little R&R from Cabin Boy duty.

6) Be sure to tell Kroma how pretty he is if you should draft him into a mission. THIS IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE TERM.

7) Give Hexx a DN, and make him fly on the front.

8 ) Be sure to tell Kroma how thin he looks if you should draft him in mission. THIS TOO IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE TERM.

9) Tell Nail he is a Bastard.

10) Continue to bump the HEXX GOES DOWN ON KROMA thread every chance you get.

XOXOXOXO
Kroma

[FPF-DieHard]

11.  Play nice or I will beat you to death with a shovel

PS.   I'm taking the night off (trust me, it's for the best).  I will be handle ship assigments and can be reached via PM. 

[Hexx]

Hey here's an idea

Wouldn't it have been cool to tell a ceratin someone this when he was asking on MSN ?
You know, so he didn't go post that it was likely over and look like an idiot to all the adoring coaliton fans he has..

And Kreug said he'd beat me to death with a shovell if I touched a DN so you can see my dilemna..

[FPF-DieHard]

Wouldn't it have been cool to tell a ceratin someone this when he was asking on MSN ?
You know, so he didn't go post that it was likely over and look like an idiot to all the adoring coaliton fans he has..

Now the method is revealed . . .

Bottom line, why mess with people's fun?   If you continue to find GW5 fun, play on it.   If you don't, don't fly and we'll see you next time.

Regardless, be nice.  If you find yourself frustrated or pissed off, sit the rest of it out so you don't get burnt.   

[Kroma BaSyl]

Hey here's an idea

Wouldn't it have been cool to tell a ceratin someone this when he was asking on MSN ?
You know, so he didn't go post that it was likely over and look like an idiot to all the adoring coaliton fans he has..

Actually this was the clincher for deciding to put it back up. You know the screw Hexx bonus factor.

And Kreug said he'd beat me to death with a shovell if I touched a DN so you can see my dilemna..

No I can't. Seems kosher to me.

[Hexx]

I ams so instituting a draft for Mirror² and killing you both..

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

draft sounds like a good idea...

[KBF-Nail]

NAIL IS A BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kroma BaSyl]

draft sounds like a good idea...

I hope he tries it. It will finally show him first hand what what we have been on about all day. The KCW draft was the biggest cluster I have ever witnessed in the dyna.

[Hexx]

draft sounds like a good idea...

I hope he tries it. It will finally show him first hand what what we have been on about all day. The KCW draft was the biggest cluster I have ever witnessed in the dyna.

Did I say everyone was going in the draft?
No

Did I say the draft wasn't going to be fixed?
No

Do try and keep up Kroma..

[FPF-Tobin Dax]

try a sign-up per race as d-3 has done, placing temporary caps on races until all others catch up. When balance is achieved, the race cap can be raised.

[Mazeppa]

draft sounds like a good idea...

I hope he tries it. It will finally show him first hand what what we have been on about all day. The KCW draft was the biggest cluster I have ever witnessed in the dyna.

I was an Deputy House leader under TraceyG (I cant believe I just typed that) and I thought the draft was going GREAT. 

[FPF-DieHard]

I was an Deputy House leader under TraceyG (I cant believe I just typed that) and I thought the draft was going GREAT. 

The draft was fine, it was the back room dealings and trades that tanked the server.

[Mog]

I was an Deputy House leader under TraceyG (I cant believe I just typed that) and I thought the draft was going GREAT. 

The draft was fine, it was the back room dealings and trades that tanked the server.

Absolutely.

This server (KCW) was one that I was really, really, really looking forward to. Major disappointment when it died.

[ShadowLord]

Well zeppa -- at least you were under TracyG...imagine if you were under KROMA..

Jeeze all of a sudden after I typed that --

 I got this mental picture of Brando in Apocalypse Now -- "The Horror,,The Horror"


Duck

[Father Ted]

DH and Moggy are right, the backroom stuff and horsetrading killed KCW before it ever started.

[FPF-DieHard]

DH and Moggy are right, the backroom stuff and horsetrading killed KCW before it ever started.

There is no place for that kind of behavior in this community any more.  Look at the fallout from the treaties of SGO4?

[Kroma BaSyl]

DH and Moggy are right, the backroom stuff and horsetrading killed KCW before it ever started.

Nope that is not correct. Any horse trading would have occurred AFTER the draft. What went wrong with the draft happened before the actual drafting of players.

[FPF-DieHard]

Nope that is not correct. Any horse trading would have occurred AFTER the draft. What went wrong with the draft happened before the actual drafting of players.

Besides people whining about not all being able to gang-bang one side, what went wrong with the draft?

[Kroma BaSyl]

Nope that is not correct. Any horse trading would have occurred AFTER the draft. What went wrong with the draft happened before the actual drafting of players.

Besides people whining about not all being able to gang-bang one side, what went wrong with the draft?

The same thing that went wrong with the Zimabwe election.

[KBF-Crim]

DH and Moggy are right, the backroom stuff and horsetrading killed KCW before it ever started.

I know I'll be accused of trying to start trouble...too bad..

But what killed KCW was going from a voluntary 3 way sign up to a manditory draft as a direct result of dislike of actions on a previous server...

There was no problem with the logical desire for one faction in the 3 way to be defending the empire proper in a civil war....many Klingon regulars wanted to defend the empire...even if it meant being double teamed and losing...

Again...all logical and no problem....at the time...

Until many klingon regulars jumped rommy instead of flying allied to the feds on litter box...

As a direct responce to those actions...KCW then became a manditory draft...and the desires of people who thought the server was going to be set up as previously discussed and agreed upon where thrown out the window...

And I quote:

'And to think that I contacted Hooch and offered the 1AF to side with the KBF on the KCW server because I was afraid of a numbers imbalance for them.

I think the 1AF will steer clear from now on.

And I don't want to hear no "we just wanted to fly another race" crap. What a load.

And BTW....the Klingon Civil War server will be 100% draft. I promise that."

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

And when it became clear that many klink regs would end up on one team again...the plug got pulled...and KCW crashed on the rocks...

No one is more dissapointed than I am....I have been waiting my whole online time waiting for just such a server...just as I have waiting for Mirror mirror...

I had no part in the LB fiasco..and clearly stated my position on it....http://bozobits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5659&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

You may also note I didnt fly much on GW5.....for basicly the same reason I didnt fly rom on LB....I suck at it...it's no fun for me...and I'd rather have my teeth pulled without novacain than fly rommy...

I'm not trying to start another flame fest...I'm trying to set the record straight...I will remind everyone that trades for KCW were legal and agreed upon under the rules....

The problem wasnt back room deals (trades)...it was a problem with the result of those back room deals...

This BS goes back to when some of us didnt even play or where to busy testing to spend time on servers in fleets......but still it continues...

Frankly...we dont have the luxury to keep this up anymore or we'll end up with no players at all...

What ever happened to just having fun?....why the petty BS server after server (from both sides)?

Can we try...for love of game...to just play the next server and have fun?

Please?

[GDA-Agave]

The draft was fine, it was the back room dealings and trades that tanked the server.

Hmmmmm.   Does anyone else get the feeling that J'inn had a lot to do with this?   Who else has made a profession of "back room dealings and trades" than the evil and greedy J'inn-mizer.   A lawyer in D.C. no less.   Land of back room dealings and trades.   I knew there was always a funny smell to that town.   Must be all cigar smoke and liquor stains.      


Agave

[Capt Jeff]

DH and Moggy are right, the backroom stuff and horsetrading killed KCW before it ever started.

I know I'll be accused of trying to start trouble...too bad..

But what killed KCW was going from a voluntary 3 way sign up to a manditory draft as a direct result of dislike of actions on a previous server...

There was no problem with the logical desire for one faction in the 3 way to be defending the empire proper in a civil war....many Klingon regulars wanted to defend the empire...even if it meant being double teamed and losing...

Again...all logical and no problem....at the time...

Until many klingon regulars jumped rommy instead of flying allied to the feds on litter box...

As a direct responce to those actions...KCW then became a manditory draft...and the desires of people who thought the server was going to be set up as previously discussed and agreed upon where thrown out the window...

And I quote:

'And to think that I contacted Hooch and offered the 1AF to side with the KBF on the KCW server because I was afraid of a numbers imbalance for them.

I think the 1AF will steer clear from now on.

And I don't want to hear no "we just wanted to fly another race" crap. What a load.

And BTW....the Klingon Civil War server will be 100% draft. I promise that."

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

And when it became clear that many klink regs would end up on one team again...the plug got pulled...and KCW crashed on the rocks...

No one is more dissapointed than I am....I have been waiting my whole online time waiting for just such a server...just as I have waiting for Mirror mirror...

I had no part in the LB fiasco..and clearly stated my position on it....http://bozobits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5659&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

You may also note I didnt fly much on GW5.....for basicly the same reason I didnt fly rom on LB....I suck at it...it's no fun for me...and I'd rather have my teeth pulled without novacain than fly rommy...

I'm not trying to start another flame fest...I'm trying to set the record straight...I will remind everyone that trades for KCW were legal and agreed upon under the rules....

The problem wasnt back room deals (trades)...it was a problem with the result of those back room deals...

This BS goes back to when some of us didnt even play or where to busy testing to spend time on servers in fleets......but still it continues...

Frankly...we dont have the luxury to keep this up anymore or we'll end up with no players at all...

What ever happened to just having fun?....why the petty BS server after server (from both sides)?

Can we try...for love of game...to just play the next server and have fun?

Please?

As the person being quoted here, I almost feel like I should respond.

[Kroma BaSyl]

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

You can rationalize cheating all you want, but the fact remains your leadership ultimately agreed to abide by a draft, then surreptitiously attempted to collude and rig the draft. It had NOTHING to do with post draft trading. If you were opposed to the ultimate decision to submit to the draft then you and your leadership shouldn't have entered your names into the draft pool.

For the record I supported allowing KBF to form their own team, and then would have been happy with the remaining 2 teams drafting the rest of the players. However, once we were all committed to the draft any pre-draft rigging was cheating plain and simple.

[Hexx]

Look
1) You all suck
2) I don't.

That's really all you need to know about the D2.
Who cares what happened some time ago.
Unless it concerns me, it's of no relevance.

[FPF-DieHard]

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

You can rationalize cheating all you want, but the fact remains your leadership ultimately agreed to abide by a draft, then surreptitiously attempted to collude and rig the draft. It had NOTHING to do with post draft trading. If you were opposed to the ultimate decision to submit to the draft then you and your leadership shouldn't have entered your names into the draft pool.

For the record I supported allowing KBF to form their own team, and then would have been happy with the remaining 2 teams drafting the rest of the players. However, once we were all committed to the draft any pre-draft rigging was cheating plain and simple.

I wouldn't go that far, I think "unsportsmanlike" is better than cheating.

[Kroma BaSyl]

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

You can rationalize cheating all you want, but the fact remains your leadership ultimately agreed to abide by a draft, then surreptitiously attempted to collude and rig the draft. It had NOTHING to do with post draft trading. If you were opposed to the ultimate decision to submit to the draft then you and your leadership shouldn't have entered your names into the draft pool.

For the record I supported allowing KBF to form their own team, and then would have been happy with the remaining 2 teams drafting the rest of the players. However, once we were all committed to the draft any pre-draft rigging was cheating plain and simple.

I wouldn't go that far, I think "unsportsmanlike" is better than cheating.

Call it circumventing the rules and not holding true to your word. To me that is cheating and lying, guess you NJ types are just a bit more polished in your language.

[Hexx]

Maybe if I just paid for EVERYONE's subscription to EVE this would work out better


KCW died along time ago you dumbasses, and it died from stupidies such as this.
Lets all leave it there.
(Until I resurrect it for KCW2 )

[Kroma BaSyl]

Maybe if I just paid for EVERYONE's subscription to EVE this would work out better


KCW died along time ago you dumbasses, and it died from stupidies such as this.
Lets all leave it there.
(Until I resurrect it for KCW2 )

Unless you were kept completely in the dark about it from your partner in crime, it died because of your and your cohorts missdeeds. I drafted in good faith, which can't be said of the other 2 teams. That is a fact, and that is what killed KCW and drove the last of the SSCF from the D2.

[Hexx]

Maybe if I just paid for EVERYONE's subscription to EVE this would work out better


KCW died along time ago you dumbasses, and it died from stupidies such as this.
Lets all leave it there.
(Until I resurrect it for KCW2 )

Unless you were kept completely in the dark about it from your partner in crime, it died because of your and your cohorts missdeeds. I drafted in good faith, which can't be said of the other 2 teams. That is a fact, and that is what killed KCW and drove the last of the SSCF from the D2.

In all honesty I knew it was happening, but thought everything had been arranged and was OK with everyone.
And to be perfectly honest (and dangerously expletive) by that time I didn't care who the f*ck I flew with or against, as long as I got to fly.
As it happened people felt differently and left.
It Happened
It Sucked
If everyone can let it go maybe we can actually get stuff up and running again.

[Kroma BaSyl]

If everyone can let it go maybe we can actually get stuff up and running again.

I thought this too, but I now see that the same individuals and attitudes that lead to that situation are the same individuals and attitudes that have sucked the fun out of GW5. It is unlikely that I will expend any more effort or good faith  to see it pissed away and abused.

[FPF-DieHard]

If everyone can let it go maybe we can actually get stuff up and running again.

I thought this too, but I now see that the same individuals and attitudes that lead to that situation are the same individuals and attitudes that have sucked the fun out of GW5. It is unlikely that I will expend any more effort or good faith  to see it pissed away and abused.

You'll still kill Hexx though, right?

[Kroma BaSyl]

If everyone can let it go maybe we can actually get stuff up and running again.

I thought this too, but I now see that the same individuals and attitudes that lead to that situation are the same individuals and attitudes that have sucked the fun out of GW5. It is unlikely that I will expend any more effort or good faith  to see it pissed away and abused.

You'll still kill Hexx though, right?

Quite possibly the only thing short of a Cabin Boy convention on Ghdar that could get me to log back into GW5.

[FPF-DieHard]

So say, what if Hexx were assigned a DN?

[KBF-Crim]

The back room crap was a result of this....not the other way around...

You can rationalize cheating all you want, but the fact remains your leadership ultimately agreed to abide by a draft, then surreptitiously attempted to collude and rig the draft. It had NOTHING to do with post draft trading. If you were opposed to the ultimate decision to submit to the draft then you and your leadership shouldn't have entered your names into the draft pool.

For the record I supported allowing KBF to form their own team, and then would have been happy with the remaining 2 teams drafting the rest of the players. However, once we were all committed to the draft any pre-draft rigging was cheating plain and simple.

Cart before the horse...There was no draft until the LB problem...

In the same vien...you aggreed to trading between the houses....trading wasnt cheating my any means and you know that...

And Yes Jeff...feel free to respond...I made every effort to use complete context and linked the whole thread...I'm not trying to pick on you...But you post is pretty damn clear....cause and effect.

In fact...we discussed this in person at length when I came up and met Mog at your place...I left with the sence tha