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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2005, 04:30:38 pm »
Chris, when you say ships of the same class don't have to be exactly alike, are we talking internally, externally, or both?
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2005, 04:48:45 pm »
I would think both. They would not all have gone into service at the exact same time so there should be at least some internal and external differences as there should be at least some slight technical changes over the course of a few years.
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2005, 05:10:06 pm »
Wow, Closed Minded... Rat Boy? I would have never thought I'd hear those two words in responce to him. Heck Just look at his Creative process in his Fan fic.  Now mind you, I have to wonder where the Original Model for the Defiant was, and why they couldn't have pulled It out of moth balls.

Chris, C'mon man, I've known you a while, and I know you can phrase your arguements better then going ad Homen. Disagree with anyone you want, But do It in a good respectfull way man. I've seen you do It.

Anyway, as to the episode, I'm looking forward to It a great deal. But shoot, If It's going to get everyone in a Piss poor mood, I'm beggining to think, It's not even worth the time or trouble to watch.

It must be the Spring guys, Heck my bulls are fighting all over the place, I've got Fight after fight Breaking out here.

in other words everyone , Please calm down. Disagree with each other, But do It nicely. This could be a very good discussion, But let's keep It civilized everyone. On both sides of the Debate.

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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2005, 08:50:56 pm »
Chris, when you say ships of the same class don't have to be exactly alike, are we talking internally, externally, or both?


I believe both.  Let me list some examples:

Check out the bridge of the Odyssey, the doomed Galaxy-class Starship in "The Jem'Hedar" [DS9].  Don't you see how different its bridge looks?  It's more tech-like than the comfortable Enterprise-D bridge.  Then there's the more-subtle changes like a different color scheme and probably some additional stuff here and there of the Yamato (from what little we saw of her in "Contagion" [TNG]), all these support that there are some differences between sister ships.  They can be subtle or they can be significant.  We only once had a look at the Venture, and it supported Phaser strips on the warp nacelles.  This was due to an error of course, but an error made to be canonical.  These starships can have some changes both in and out.  Also, some Galaxy-class Starships during the Dominion War had some subtle differences, like some changes to the hull (around the neck, possibly), lit-up names, or even Deflector Dish color changes that indicate a possible upgrade of the Deflector Dish.

The Nebula-class Starships had some differences here and there.  Most notably is the differences between the "Proto-Nebula" U.S.S. Melbourne seen in "The Best of Both Worlds" [TNG] at Wolf 359 was built to have two miniature nacelles, no pod.  Then there's the U.S.S. Phoenix ("The Wounded" [DS9]) with it's round pod supported by two pylons and the Shuttlebay had clear access.  In "Redemption, Part II" [TNG], we saw the U.S.S. Sutherland, the most notable difference being what we know as a "standardized" Nebula-class, the single pylon-supported triangle pod being common.  Also, we know it not to be an upgrade due to what action we saw in Wolf 359 at the beginning of "The Emissary" [DS9] when we saw a standardized Nebula-class and an Ambassador-class making a sharp turn and engaging the Borg Cube after the Saratoga was caught in a tractor beam.

Speaking of the Saratoga, let's look at Miranda-class Starships too.  Check the different bridges of the 2280s-era Miranda-class Starships: Ever noticed some differences between the Reliant ("Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan") and Saratoga ("Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home)?  Assuming neither had some refit that makes either sister ship more updated, you'll notice some difference in stations.  The same with Miranda-class Starships in the 2360s, if you pay attention to some TNG episodes (The Brittain in "Night Terrors" [TNG] for example) and the DS9 pilot (the Saratoga from "Emissary" [DS9]).  Also, note how the Lantree (in "Unnatural Selection" [TNG]) had no roll bar sporting weapons whilst the Brittain ("Night Terrors" [TNG]) did, whilst the Saratoga at Wolf 359 ("Emissary" [DS9]) sported two strange devices or weapons on each side of the ship.  I won't include the U.S.S. Bozeman ("Cause and Effect" [TNG]) as this Miranda variant is actually a different class of Starship, strangely enough.  The different class in question known as a Soyuz-class.

How about the Constellation-class?  The U.S.S. Stargazer ("The Battle" [TNG]) and the U.S.S. Hathaway ("Peak Performance" [TNG]) had some differences in the interior areas at least.  It's evident due to the main bridge configurations, if you had a good look.

Constitution-class Starships aren't all alike either.  The U.S.S. Constellation, NCC-1017 (or NCC-1710 in the Starfleet Museum as I prefer), had some different details and hull dimensions here and there.  The real life reason of course is due to the usage of an AMT model for budgetary reasons when making the episode "The Doomsday Machine" [TOS].  But since it's on-screen, I'd say it's canon.

So I believe the Defiant can be accurate just by being as it is.

(Edit: Okay, I give up.  I really give up in this personal issue, to which I'm cutting out of this message.  Rat Boy, I apologize for being rude when I felt one of your posts was insulting.  I won't do it again, I'll shut my big mouth and try keeping it shut.  I'm sorry.  I hope this settles the personal situation we've had for the past two days.)
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2005, 12:12:10 am »
so is there new episode of enterprise yet and new episode of sg-1?

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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2005, 09:05:28 am »





<shrug>  The lighting and shading is a bit different, but it looks pretty good to me.  (And yes, I am anal retentive.)

You want to get upset about something, get upset about the models used in "Trials and Tribulations".  Those weren't supposed to be sister ships; those were supposed to be the same physical ships we saw in 1967

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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2005, 03:06:26 pm »
so is there new episode of enterprise yet and new episode of sg-1?


Yes.  There was a new episode of Enterprise last week and this week (Friday, Apr. 22).

S'Cipio, I think that picture of the Enterprise is bluer than most.  Here's one from Balance of Terror

http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/images/09/09obr40.jpg

Also, a picture of the Defiant in the interphase thingie

http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/images/65/65obr02.jpg
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2005, 05:23:26 pm »
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2005, 05:36:36 pm »
That warp nacelle better not glow blue when it turns on.


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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2005, 06:31:07 pm »
I'll just about bet it will...   :-\
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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2005, 06:31:45 pm »
I wouldn't find any problems if some of the warp nacelle grilles of Constitution-class Starships in TOS get some reimagining (like the Enterprise had with its hull grid patterns in "Trials and Tribble-ations" [DS9] or how the BSG universe was reimagined into realistic standards).  I don't believe it'll be the end of the world if they light up even a tiny bit.  I mean, ever since First Contact, Pre-TOS vessels showed warp grille lighting.  In TMP and beyond, they showed warp grille lighting.  There's several real-life reasons to explain the inconsistancies between warp engine design and how most every class has warp grilles lighting up (and not the Constitution-class), but I'd ponder of their lack of lighting up in the Trek universe. 
In any case, I don't care about it beyond this being food for thought just to kill time.  If they do light up a bit, that's fine with me, but as long as it's not too much out of place with the rest of the ship design (interior and exterior).  We should count our blessings; it isn't a total redesign of the Constitution-class Starship to look as if it was an NX-01-inspired design or something like that.  It's pretty much accurate for the most part, along with some unique attributes, much like how there are between sister ships of many classes of Starships.

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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2005, 08:49:19 pm »
i was surprise to see aft phaser and aft torpedo, it was cool to see the phaser fire from the back near the shuttlebay :)

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Re: USS Defiant - Constitution Class
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2005, 01:12:55 am »
She looked pretty grand.
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