Topic: Photon Torpedos! (Read 6530 times)

Stormbringer · « **on:** August 25, 2005, 12:16:31 pm »

Researching my contention on another forum that I saw an article on solid state storage devices for antimatter that was very very very interesting:

http://cui.unige.ch/isi/sscr/phys/antim-BPP.html

It is possible to construct a thermonuclear weapon in which the three to four kilograms of plutonium, necessary for the ignition, are replaced by one microgram of antihydrogen. In this hypothetical bomb, the antimatter is in the center in the form of a pellet a tenth of a mm in diameter. It is surrounded by, and isolated from, the thermonuclear fuel (a 100 g hollow sphere of Li2DT). After compression by explosive lenses, the fuel comes into contact with the antihydrogen. Annihilation reactions start spontaneously, providing the energy to ignite the thermonuclear fuel. If the chosen degree of compression is high, a bomb with increased mechanical effects is obtained, and if it is low, a neutron bomb (see La Recherche September 1983). In both cases the electromagnetic pulse effect and the radioactive fall-out are substantially lower than that of a conventional A- or H-bomb of the same yield (1 kt).

The thing is about 6 inches across!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2005, 12:22:34 pm »

and notice this article gives you an answer to how much antimatter gives what effect! a tenth of a milimeter yields 1 Kiloton.

Bonk · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2005, 05:02:16 pm »

Been onto this one for a while (back to 1994 when benchtop antiproton storage times of up to 10 minutes were reported).

Which lead me to the antisocial prediction of the development of a "planetary deadman switch"... remember the superconducting supercollider? Just the thing for the job...

The "photon torpedo" is a little less antisocial way to present the concept.

For pure destructive power antimatter annihilations are the way to go. All the matter goes to energy... the details of how are fascinating as well, how the particle-antiparticle pairs orbit one another before annihilation and emit only photons at 180° after the event ... fascinating.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2005, 05:08:43 pm »

indeed. but that which destroys can also create. both literally and in the sense that it can enable realisitic space travel times.

E_Look · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2005, 11:39:13 pm »

Hey... do I sense magic in this thread?

[/ducks]

Stormbringer · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2005, 12:05:22 am »

Oh Noes!

Sethan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:05:30 am »

Quote from: Stormbringer on August 25, 2005, 05:08:43 pm

indeed. but that which destroys can also create. both literally and in the sense that it can enable realisitic space travel times.

True - but we'd best get the planet's loons under control before this technology becomes as accesible as nuclear weapons are today.

Imagine Glorious Leader over in NK with the very real ability to destroy the planet if he doesn't get his way...

Bonk · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2005, 10:53:47 am »

Quote from: Sethan on August 31, 2005, 01:05:30 am

Quote from: Stormbringer on August 25, 2005, 05:08:43 pm
indeed. but that which destroys can also create. both literally and in the sense that it can enable realisitic space travel times.

True - but we'd best get the planet's loons under control before this technology becomes as accesible as nuclear weapons are today.

Imagine Glorious Leader over in NK with the very real ability to destroy the planet if he doesn't get his way...

That is the true beauty of this technology, when a single man can destroy the entire world in one simple action, everyone must be content, soon we will no longer be able to ignore the abundant injustice and misery in the world. Utopia must be achieved or a global dictatorship is inevitable.

Although as Alfred Nobel said: "Justice is to be found only in imagination." A worrisome thought, no?
Another gem of truth from Nobel: "Contentment is the only real wealth" Very appropriate here...

But we tread on the edge of H&S content here... shall I move the thread?

E_Look · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2005, 10:59:24 am »

Move it wherever you want, so long as there as link!

Anyhow, these either-or propositions don't sit well with me. On average, there is a 50-50 chance of it going either way. Not very pleasing odds. But if it comes, it comes, and I'd rather the United States hold it (except we're not too good at guarding secrets and superweapons and borders and all that) simply because I think we're the only country in the world that won't use it to enforce a global dictatorship.

I KNOW some of you are already begging and drooling to differ.

Bonk · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2005, 11:02:21 am »

Pretty sure the US already does hold this technology.

"Manifest Destiny" ring a bell?

(I'll leave the thread here as long as it stays relatively tame...)

E_Look · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2005, 11:19:46 am »

Tame? I'm married. What do you think?

No, we possess the basic science and the most rudimentary engineering with respect to this system right now. In five to ten years however, that may change.

But Manifest Destiny was a different time and place; the world was still under the Kiplingesque white man's burden (read, superiority and dominance) zeitgeist because the Kiplingesque held the power. And, expansion was easier as the people expanded against had no ability to exert back even an equal pressure. That has all changed... for America.

Now, we face a form of manifest destiny in he hearts of the Muslims, the Pink Chinese (well, they ain't 'xactly red anymore, and they still aren't liberal democrats [in the textbook sense, not Dynaverse H&S sense], and maybe even the East Indians.

I am of complete Chinese descent myself, but I must still stand my ground that all these other forces in the world do not bode well for humanity and that the hope for a decent if not even better sociopolitical future for humanity lies with the continued dominance of America. No offense, but Canada does not project the amount of force to coerce the geopolitical rogues to heel or even pay attention; otherwise, Canukistan isn't such a world actor, either. North America is politically healthier in a moral way (does that make sense?) than just about any other spot on this sorry globe.

Bonk · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2005, 11:33:12 am »

Yes, I understand and pretty much agree with your assesment, well said. Though I think Canada has more sway than you think, we live by example, but then I am biased...

Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on August 31, 2005, 11:19:46 am

Tame? I'm married. What do you think?

hahahaha!

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2005, 12:13:52 pm »

Canadian as well here. What sway and what example? Canada is a country about speaking politically correct, not acting it.

Bonk · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2005, 12:37:44 pm »

Lets leave political correctness out of it. An entirely bogus concept in my opinion.

The sway of our example and quality of life, technology and relative harmony with our environment. (partly just because we are richly blessed)

Stormbringer · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:03:27 pm »

If any of you think man is going to evolve anytime soon to a state where utopian dreams are practical reality you'll be sorely disappointed. there will be no point in our future history where we are incapable of harming each other or of greed or lies. There will be no point in our history where a misanthrop evil person does not pop up with dreams of empire, conquest or simply kingship.

Those who say technology must wait in abbeyance for such a development in biology of mankind should abandon all technology and seek to go back into the trees. I say damn the tyrants full speed ahead!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:09:04 pm »

Furthermore it is our agressive nature when channeled properly that makes us push for the limits, without it we would still be picking nits out of each others fur and eating them.

Sethan · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:22:02 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on August 31, 2005, 10:53:47 am

Quote from: Sethan on August 31, 2005, 01:05:30 am
Quote from: Stormbringer on August 25, 2005, 05:08:43 pm
indeed. but that which destroys can also create. both literally and in the sense that it can enable realisitic space travel times.

True - but we'd best get the planet's loons under control before this technology becomes as accesible as nuclear weapons are today.

Imagine Glorious Leader over in NK with the very real ability to destroy the planet if he doesn't get his way...

That is the true beauty of this technology, when a single man can destroy the entire world in one simple action, everyone must be content, soon we will no longer be able to ignore the abundant injustice and misery in the world. Utopia must be achieved or a global dictatorship is inevitable.

Problem is, I'm pretty sure Glorious Leader isn't entirely sane - and we know for sure there are other people out there who are definitely not sane - but who have access to large amounts of cash. When one of these folks gets ahold of this sort of technology - and they will - all bets are off. It doesn't matter to them how utopian the world is if they don't get what they want.

Mog · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:45:07 pm »

Quote from: E_Look NCC-9091 on August 31, 2005, 10:59:24 am

Move it wherever you want, so long as there as link!

Anyhow, these either-or propositions don't sit well with me. On average, there is a 50-50 chance of it going either way. Not very pleasing odds. But if it comes, it comes, and I'd rather the United States hold it (except we're not too good at guarding secrets and superweapons and borders and all that) simply because I think we're the only country in the world that won't use it to enforce a global dictatorship.

I KNOW some of you are already begging and drooling to differ.

Yes, I beg to differ about the USA being the only country in the world that wouldn't abuse it.

Bonk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2005, 01:54:25 pm »

I think you have all completely misunderstood my hypothesis here. Perhaps I was not clear. Let me try again.

Given that shortly (if not already) there exsists a device that can destroy the entire earth in one fell swoop, and that said device could be obtained by any individual determined enough to get it:

Everyone in existence must be happy enough not to want to use such a device to hold the human race hostage, we must make everyone happy. I know, I know the old saying, "You can please some of the people..." but we must get beyond that thinking, because this will soon be the reality of it, we will not be able to ignore any individual's concerns.

Let me try and simplify further.

Joe is unhappy. Joe builds/buys doomsday device. Joe holds humanity hostage to get what he wants/needs.

as opposed to

Joe is happy. Joe already has what he wants/needs. Joe has no interest in a doomsday device.

If it is not possible to make everyone happy and meet everyones needs, then we are surely doomed.

I think it is possible to make everyone happy, how is just not immediately obvious to many.

E_Look · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2005, 02:39:48 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on August 31, 2005, 01:54:25 pm

I think you have all completely misunderstood my hypothesis here. Perhaps I was not clear. Let me try again... I think it is possible to make everyone happy, how is just not immediately obvious to many.

That's kind of like Sethan's discomfort with "not been proved to be harmful" with respect to RF emissions. I understand how he feels. There are times I feel like that too. This is one of them!

Sethan · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2005, 10:51:32 pm »

Quote from: Bonk on August 31, 2005, 01:54:25 pm

I think it is possible to make everyone happy, how is just not immediately obvious to many.

"Everyone" cannot include the insane or clinically depressed, unless those people are identified, incarcerated, and pumped full of enough happy drugs that they'd be singing the Barney song if you burned them alive.

So far, we have been spectacularly bad as a species, at doing that sort of thing.

Bonk · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2005, 10:35:34 am »

Quote from: Sethan on August 31, 2005, 10:51:32 pm

Quote from: Bonk on August 31, 2005, 01:54:25 pm
I think it is possible to make everyone happy, how is just not immediately obvious to many.

"Everyone" cannot include the insane or clinically depressed, unless those people are identified, incarcerated, and pumped full of enough happy drugs that they'd be singing the Barney song if you burned them alive.

So far, we have been spectacularly bad as a species, at doing that sort of thing.

Right, we absolutely must make a world that does not create insanity, and those that are born with mental handicaps must be treated with the utmost care and love.

Sethan · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2005, 12:09:04 am »

I figure that will come shortly after the heat death of the universe, or about 1 day after the sun goes nova - whichever comes first.

Bonk · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2005, 07:09:27 am »

Quote from: Sethan on September 02, 2005, 12:09:04 am

I figure that will come shortly after the heat death of the universe, or about 1 day after the sun goes nova - whichever comes first.

Way to be positive!

But then a pessimist is never disappointed... I can relate, being a pessimist for the most part, as my prediction above of a "planetary deadman switch" should indicate.

But is there any harm in trying to create such a world? (a very loaded question for you I know...

) Aren't we obliged to at least try and love our fellow man?

edit: I was sure that "love thy neighbor" was one of the big ten... but on looking it up, it is not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

Sethan · « **Reply #24 on:** September 02, 2005, 08:08:20 am »

Bonk, there is nothing wrong with trying to create that kind of a world - but you have to realize off the bat that some people will not want it. That leaves you the choice of forcing them - which goes back to my 'idealism' thread in H&S.

Further, some people start out insane or psychopathic, and some of those learn to 'blend in' before they can be identified as such.

That's why the stereotype of the serial killer is his neighbors all saying "He was such a nice, quiet man," after he is caught.

In a world where a planet destroying weapon isn't too difficult to acquire, by the time you do identify that person - it is too late.

Bonk · « **Reply #25 on:** September 02, 2005, 09:05:04 am »

I can accept the logic of your view, but cannot bring myself to accept our doom so easily. Something can and must be done, there has to be a way.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #26 on:** September 02, 2005, 09:45:06 am »

Perhaps the pessimist is merely a disillusioned idealist. That's how I'm looking at myself.

Bonk · « **Reply #27 on:** September 02, 2005, 10:37:01 am »

Prenatal exposure to famine increases risk of schizophrenia

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #28 on:** September 02, 2005, 11:50:15 am »

http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/44.htm Shows the big simalarities between mercury poisoning and autism which notes schizoid tendencies. A very interesting chart is there if you hang in long enough to scroll down a bit.

The schizo stuff reminds me of more than a decade ago when I was admited to hospital for a serious gastric bleed and the nurse ran down a medical checklist and asked if I had any history of mental illness. I had lost several pints of blood and was in shock and said "what"? the nurse said, "you know, like schizophrenia." I replied without missing a beat, "both of me are fine". The tough old broad never even cracked a smile, but my wife liked it. Maybe it was reassuring to her that I still had my sense of humor.

Bonk · « **Reply #29 on:** September 02, 2005, 12:52:24 pm »

Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on September 02, 2005, 11:50:15 am

http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/44.htm Shows the big simalarities between mercury poisoning and autism which notes schizoid tendencies. A very interesting chart is there if you hang in long enough to scroll down a bit.

You're on to my train of thought...

Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on September 02, 2005, 11:50:15 am

The schizo stuff reminds me of more than a decade ago when I was admited to hospital for a serious gastric bleed and the nurse ran down a medical checklist and asked if I had any history of mental illness. I had lost several pints of blood and was in shock and said "what"? the nurse said, "you know, like schizophrenia." I replied without missing a beat, "both of me are fine". The tough old broad never even cracked a smile, but my wife liked it. Maybe it was reassuring to her that I still had my sense of humor.

...but,

It is a very common misperception that schizophrenia is the same thing as multiple personality disorders. Two very different conditions. Schizophrenics very rarely (if ever) also have multiple personality disorders to the best of my knowledge.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #30 on:** September 02, 2005, 01:29:47 pm »

Approximately 1 percent of the population develops schizophrenia during their lifetime – more than 2 million Americans suffer from the illness in a given year. Although schizophrenia affects men and women with equal frequency, the disorder often appears earlier in men, usually in the late teens or early twenties, than in women, who are generally affected in the twenties to early thirties. People with schizophrenia often suffer terrifying symptoms such as hearing internal voices not heard by others, or believing that other people are reading their minds, controlling their thoughts, or plotting to harm them. These symptoms may leave them fearful and withdrawn. Their speech and behavior can be so disorganized that they may be incomprehensible or frightening to others.

The first signs of schizophrenia often appear as confusing, or even shocking, changes in behavior. Coping with the symptoms of schizophrenia can be especially difficult for family members who remember how involved or vivacious a person was before they became ill. The sudden onset of severe psychotic symptoms is referred to as an “acute” phase of schizophrenia. “Psychosis,” a common condition in schizophrenia, is a state of mental impairment marked by hallucinations, which are disturbances of sensory perception, and/or delusions, which are false yet strongly held personal beliefs that result from an inability to separate real from unreal experiences. Less obvious symptoms, such as social isolation or withdrawal, or unusual speech, thinking, or behavior, may precede, be seen along with, or follow the psychotic symptoms.

I find the onset happening earlier in males interesting as well as schizophrenia showing up in autism. It should be noted that boys are 3 to 4 times more likely to get autism, than girls. Early onset for males with schizophrenia and much higher autism with boys. Hmmmm. That brings up the mercury/toxic metals link. Mecury is more damaging to the boys in autism as it has been found that mercury and testosterone are synergistic. Estrogen winds up protecting the female brain better from mercury as it inhibits demyelination.

Bonk · « **Reply #31 on:** September 02, 2005, 01:43:20 pm »

Interesting post (got a link for a source? - I like to give credit...)

Quote from: FPF-TobinDax on September 02, 2005, 01:29:47 pm

Estrogen winds up protecting the female brain better from mercury as it inhibits demyelination.

But unfortunately, it is the most potent carcinogen known.

Most carcinogenic compunds are toxic because they mimic the effects of estrogen.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=xenoestrogens

Though research in this area is actively suppressed.

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #32 on:** September 02, 2005, 03:26:55 pm »

I'll see what I can find. I have gone through so much in this area, it's hard to remember where I saw some stuff.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15197745&dopt=Citation

This is not the article I was thinking of, but goes in the right direction. Not everyone makes the connection to heavy metal toxicity for the demyelination. References are just left as an immune systems left switched on and inflamation etc. Heavy metal toxicty will cause the inflamation and leave the immune system on.

http://commons.ucalgary.ca/showcase/curtains.php?src=/mercury/Lor2_QTS_200kb_QD.mov&screenwidth=320&screenheight=256

This takes a long time to load but shows you what happens when you allow mercury to get to your brain. It does cross the blood/brain barrier.

You might want to read "evidence of harm" by David Kirby http://www.evidenceofharm.com/
Lots of info and documentation in the book can be viewed this link.

http://www.generationrescue.org/ lots of good reading here, but skewed towards autism.

I guess we are way off topic here now?

http://www.einstein-syndrome.com/biochemistry_101/hole_bucket.htm
This one is something you probably need to read considering something you have mentioned to me.

Bonk · « **Reply #33 on:** September 02, 2005, 04:02:00 pm »

lol, yup, waaay off topic now, but we got here in a logical way... Thanks for the links, I'll take a look!

P.S. My grandfather was instrumental in the founding of what is now known as:
http://www.cacl.ca/

FPF-Tobin Dax · « **Reply #34 on:** September 02, 2005, 04:08:17 pm »

Cool. I added the site to my favourites and will check it out.

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