The Kitties are no more??

[KBFKaz]

Have they already given up?

2 weeks has gotta be a record!

All hail Coalition might, patience and perseverance!

[Lepton]

Fathers' Day?  Weekend?  Summer?  NBA Finals?  Take your pick.

[FPF-DieHard]

Tired of their opponents running off the map without firing a shot.  You do know that you specifically are the reason why the "DN runs off without fighting gives up VC points" rule was added.

[FPF-DieHard]

All hail Coalition might, patience and perseverance!

Yes, you have truly shown that you have the ability to beat AI in undefended hexes better than anyone.

(PS, I'm insulting KAZ only, my insults to him are only on him and not the rest of the Coalition).

[KBFKaz]

Fathers' Day?  Weekend?  Summer?  NBA Finals?  Take your pick.

Then I guess we just lucked-out? The Coalition doesn't like basketball? None of us have families?
We never go outside? Hmm, sounds fishy to me

[FCM-Corbomite-XC]

GG sirs! The server crash hit us hard. None of the promised PP was restored and most of our team seems to have evaporated. I must commend your side for the terrific luck you had. You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss. Our side was slowed down by the bad luck of having to actually attack bases and destroy them. The dice certainly were with you. <S>

[KBFKaz]

All hail Coalition might, patience and perseverance!

Yes, you have truly shown that you have the ability to beat AI in undefended hexes better than anyone.

(PS, I'm insulting KAZ only, my insults to him are only on him and not the rest of the Coalition).

You know it man! lol This is why you loose. But then again we all know you have these little fits every server and thus is an
advantage for us. You are your own worst enemy! LOL!!

[KBFLordKrueg]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

[Capt_Pestalence_XC]

I was going to restore PP tonight since the VC scores were to be counted anyways.. however is the Alliance is conceding.. then there is no point.. as stated on Teamspeak the other night.. I lost heart on doing any restores is the alliance was going to quit.

Anyhow, I was going to do a new AOTK server .. AOTK5 New Territory

I was going to run it with beefed up AI to make hex flipping more difficult and 9 planets to conquer for VC's.

If the alliance wants to continue the server, then I will restore PP tonight at 6:30 PM CST, which is 15 min from now.

If you just want a new server, then I will set it up with same races, new map, more difficult settings and more PVP points for kills.

We will need people for both sides, not just coalition. The problem on the alliance side is that only 4 or 5 regulars were on and 5 to 10 coalition players were on at any one time during the last week.. this unbalanced the server and gave advantage to the coalition.. this as well as having an improperly restored campaign map.

Week 1, the server was balanced with players.. week 2, coalition outnumbered alliance by 2 to 1 or at times more.. as such, Alliance couldn't compete.. I was notified that the Alliance LOS hexes were not reinforced to levels of crash.. that was my fault for not checking with Corb when I put the server back up since he ran a couple hundred missions building up the LOS for the alliance... All his work was lost and the coalition took advantage of it, which under the circumstances, they can not be blamed... The alliance could have held out and even came back some if the players showed up...

Now I guess the only thing to decide is to end the server and put up a new one, or restore PP on the server and keep it going.

I leave it to the community.

[Lepton]

I'm not on the server a couple of days and it all goes to hell with this silly back-biting BS.  Grow up people, and Kaz, get a frigging clue.

I'd also be glad to switch sides if it will help balance out the server numbers.

[Capt_Pestalence_XC]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day.
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes.

Going into a Base assault and leaving or logging off takes advantage of the same exploit.. resulting in 0 DV shifting.. Base assaults Must be played out to be fair on both sides.. which is why I contacted NW to remake the script to shift DV correctly on disengagement, or to wall the map border with asteroids to prevent players from leaving the map.

NW should have the script to me any time now.

[FPF-DieHard]

What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

Like on AOTK3 when you ran 98% as many missions and got your ass kicked?

[FPF-DieHard]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 

We were testing an exploit we had found which we immediately reported to the server admin to have it fixed.  Flying off the map on a Base assault doesn't effect the DV.  I'm not going to make any accusations here but if people had known about this a year ago when we ran AOTK3 and didn't report it you should be ashamed of yourself.

It's moot.  D2 is dead, there is not point in bothering to put up another server.  One side bails after a week and one thumps their chest at killing AI in un-contested hexes. 

That said, I'm up for some IP game at around 9 PM eastern time.

[Lepton]

All hail Coalition might, patience and perseverance!

Yes, you have truly shown that you have the ability to beat AI in undefended hexes better than anyone.

(PS, I'm insulting KAZ only, my insults to him are only on him and not the rest of the Coalition).

This is why I advocate for PvP servers and people being able to switch sides at the drop of a hat.  Beating the AI is gay.

[FPF-DieHard]

This is why I advocate for PvP servers and people being able to switch sides at the drop of a hat.  Beating the AI is gay.

I don't know, from what I remember Judge was a pretty decent PvP pilot 

[FCM-Corbomite-XC]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

There are several reason to log off and on that don't involve cheating. Please state specific cases if you are making accusations. I compliment your team and you return with charges of cheating. Nice. 

[KBFLordKrueg]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

There are several reason to log off and on that don't involve cheating. Please state specific cases if you are making accusations. I compliment your team and you return with charges of cheating. Nice. 

I will not name specific names, I sat beside the hex and watched it happen several times, said something to the player and it stopped, it was enough at the time.
And you post was sarcastic as all and you know it.
We killed a heck of a lot of your bases as well, actually capturing only a few.
It was often the pratice to destroy the base, flip the hex and place another.
We killed way more than were captured.

[[KBF]MuadDib]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

There are several reason to log off and on that don't involve cheating. Please state specific cases if you are making accusations. I compliment your team and you return with charges of cheating. Nice. 

I will not name specific names, I sat beside the hex and watched it happen several times, said something to the player and it stopped, it was enough at the time.
And you post was sarcastic as all and you know it.
We killed a heck of a lot of your bases as well, actually capturing only a few.
It was often the pratice to destroy the base, flip the hex and place another.
We killed way more than were captured.

not too mention the 2 BFs or C5K that i lost too starbases...so...whatever...

[SrCpt_SFHQ_XC]

Ok guys I need to make a two fold post here, one as speaking as an Admin here, and another as a player..
First of all, as a player, it was disappointing to log on and see how unbalanced it was this past week. The first week was extremely fun with mostly balanced numbers that for the most part led to the fun of good battles, both PvP and AI with good fleets. Truly part of the Starfleet Command name. This last week though has been down right depressing. Hardly seeing anyone in the alliance channel has been a major discouragement. As I talk to Pesty, AOTK4 seems to be continuing, so I will hope for better numbers so we can at least make the best of AOTK4, and have fun.

Now, as an Admin here,
I need to also say that be careful with the bitterness line toward eachother. This does not help, and only deepens sore wounds. This is a game, don't put much seriousness behind winning or loosing. The whole point is to have fun, not drive anger.
I have time and time again seen these type of threads bloom into full slug fests on D3, and I do not want to see this happen here. It destroys the game.
If you really think anyone on the other side was cheating or exploiting, just quietly let the Server Admin know, not post it openly in discussion here.

SFC4 coming into development is not an excuse to toss D2 down the tube

While this has yet to turn into a slug fest, I can see the potential here for it. Don't let it turn into that.

[FCM-Corbomite-XC]

And you post was sarcastic as all and you know it.

Not true, but I'm willing to play Burger King and let you have it your way. Congrats retracted. Enjoy your game.

[F9th0mega]

You seemed to be able to get twelve patrols in a row in base hexes and be able to capture supply points with out much fuss.

At least we did not move in and log off and on if we didn't, as was observed of some Kitties one day. 
Perhaps it will be shared how we did it, but, as I posted in our forums, we did not break the rules.
What real organized teamwork will accomplish is amazing sometimes. 

Talking about me? I logged off in hexes with NO missions thanks, GG though. I know the rules, I follow them, not break them. I was testing something, that proved to be very repeatable actually.

There ARE ways to get patrols in base hexes, really fricking easy ones, and not losing a DV shift on warping out is utter crap. Oh well, Here we come again, Long live the king.

[KBFKaz]

I tried to ruffle some feathers to get people back on to play and it would seem that it didn't work.

Its hard to get balanced servers when the "community" that plays is only about 15-20 people.
Even then not all show up or log in for a few missions and then don't come back.

Some people want just pvp servers others like a more strategic game. I believe that until we get
more players playing the campains these problems are gonna keep happening every server. It seems
that more people leave this game because of the drama that surrounds it than the game itself.

As for the DN rule. I think it hurt pvp more than helped it. When you don't have anything to compete with
that fed DNL (which came out 2 yrs before any other "L" refits) you pretty well will be running. A C5K just
doesn't have the mustard. So, why engage knowing that you might just be able to hold them in mission for a bit but
its gonna cost you 5VC to do so. Better to just avoid it altogether and not have any VC's taken period. When one
is in DNL most of the time, your not gonna get too many takers for pvp, especially in early era and with a disengagement
rule that awards VC's. I think the 1st round scoring for pvp says it all.

If some pilots think fighting the AI is "gay", well thats just a fact of the game and has to be done from a hex-flipping
aspect and from time-to-time a pvp one. As long as hexes are worth VC's you will need hex-munchers. By having just a pvp
server, you alienate one whole side of the game and then the 15-20 players we have left turn into 5-10. What can you really say though? With such small numbers, it will usually be the most consistant players that make a difference and they did form both
a pvp and hex-flipping point of view. You can change the rules and the game as much as you want, but in the end, until there are
more players to make the pvp-ers happy and spread out the workload for hex-munchers, I can't see these problems going away
in the future.

I would apologize if my opening post on this thread seemed a bit cocky. I was hoping to get alliance players to come on
with some friendly vengeance in their hearts. It backfired miserably. I would also send congrats to the Alliance members
for a good campain up to this point and to Corbomite who has shown honor and integrity that any pilot should be envious of.
I would also thank Pesty for the work on the server and for running the campain when it looked like it would fold before it even started.

GG to everyone and thanks to all involved.   

[FPF-Paladin]

What the...? 

[KBF-Crim]

What the...? 

I dunno...

*scratches head*

Goofy bastards if you ask me...

[Capt_Pestalence_XC]

Alliance check SFC2.net for current orders..

I'm not giving up.. I may not have an abundance of time on my hands, however I will put in all my free time to try to make a comeback.. Any Alliance help would be much appreciated.

[Lieutenant_Q]

You know, I've sat back and read this thread, and a few others, and I feel that I have something that really needs to be said.  Please don't take it as anything more than some constructive criticism that it is.

As someone who's only flown three campaigns, I have to say that I am a noob when it comes to these servers.  But I have absolutely no intention of logging onto ATOK4.  Why?

The player base.

Not that its bad that its small, or that I know that I'll get my head handed to me every time I go out.  But simply the way that it behaves.  My first campaign was Evil Dave's Pirate Campaign and it was a blast.  It was good that that was the first one, because had it been the other two that I've been in, I would have probably just said screw all of you and stuck to single player OP.

You all may know each other enough to know that it is all in jest, and for most of you, I do believe it is in jest as well.  But here's the crux of the problem.  To expand the game at all for SFC4, we have to bring in new blood.  And if the new blood gets anywhere near the treatment I got from a few, they'll just move on to another game.  I certainly wasn't expecting anyone to hold my hand through a few PvP missions (Thank you to those that did!), but I was expecting some decency and decorum.  There are people here who give it and more, but there are other people who wont give the time of day (which is fine, not everyone is sociable), or worse (This is not fine).

There's a certain amount of rivalry in all of these games, chest thumping and bragging is all a part of the game, and its expected.  With a smaller player base there is less room for the arrogant arses.  In a larger player base those players can be ignored because there are others to turn to.  But if we have a base of 30 - 40, it is important to every player to put forward a good face.

Perception is everything, especially for new players, give them a good first impression, they'll play for a while.  Give them a bad first impression, and they'll look for the next new game.  I'm sure the problem with this is perception on my part, but understand that new players will have the same perception.  The same first impression, and we will want it to be a good one, otherwise SFC4 will be nothing more than the couple hundred or so of us still here.

Thank you for the soap box, you can go back to your game now.

[FPF-Paladin]

Alliance check SFC2.net for current orders..

I'm not giving up.. I may not have an abundance of time on my hands, however I will put in all my free time to try to make a comeback.. Any Alliance help would be much appreciated.

I'm with you Pestalence.

[FVA_Braxton_XC]

This thread is done.  Furthermore, if a new one pops up to continue the arguing in here, expect stern measures.

Treat each other with some humility and respect or keep your mouths shut.

This is a game, meant to be enjoyed.  Every time I see a thread like this, it sucks just a little bit more of the life out of me.