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Google Chrome.What do you think?
« on: September 04, 2008, 03:44:32 pm »
Google Chrome is new browser but out by the infamous Google search engine.What do you all think of it and who is planning on getting it?I may give it tryas soon as it is out of beta.

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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 03:58:51 pm »
Grabbed the beta yesterday its no to bad just looks a little different, very minimalistic, which i kind of like. opens up pretty quick compared to firefox and IE. loads pages pretty quick also. they kepted up with the tabbed browsing and stuff. the one thing i dont really care for is the autosearch/autofill function when you are typing in the search/url field. all in all not a bad begining looking forward to seeing what can be done with it ie. quicklaunch app. capabilities.


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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 04:19:22 pm »
It sucks!

I haven't tried it, I'm just annoyed it won't run on WinME. It seems like Google is following the tracks of Apple and iTunes in making Chrome not accessible to all. I like the sound of the minimal aspect to it, though, and will have to try it out eventually.

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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 10:26:39 pm »
I got it but I haven't really tried it out yet. i did read one interesting thing about it. All the tabs are sandboxed from the others so if there is one snarky page it won't crash the whole app. I also read that IE8 has this but firefox does not.
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 04:14:51 am »
If these work like the equivalent does in Firefox they get typed in like an url.

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• about:memory shows how much memory the browser--and any other Web browser--is using. Conveniently for Web developers, it also shows how much each Web site in a browser tab is using.

• about:stats shows a wide range of internal measurements such as the time taken to initialize Chrome, load Gears, or perform various operations while running JavaScript programs with Chrome's V8 engine. The page also carries the amusing note, "Shhh! This page is secret!"

• about:network tracks the detailed network activity of using a Web site.

• about:version shows details of what version of Chrome is running, along with the user-agent text that the browser reports when identifying itself to Web sites. Why "Mozilla" is in this string is a mystery to me, though perhaps it has to do with the way Chrome can use Firefox plug-ins; why "Mozilla" is apparently in the iPhone's user-agent text is even more a mystery.

• about:histograms graphs various performance measurements such as the time taken to autocomplete text users type into the browser.

• about:crash crashes the active browser tab.

And don't forget to try "about:internets"

I haven't tried any of this as at present I don't have a Windows machine hooked to a monitor and from what I've read Google doesn't yet have a Linux version for trial.
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 01:55:33 pm »
I'm not allowing Chrome into the house until this is confirmed or debunked.  Supposedly, it remains even after an uninstall..

http://fantomaster.com/fantomNews/archives/2008/09/05/googles-chrome-browser-calling-home-blatant-spyware-the-proof/

Google’s Chrome Browser Calling Home: Blatant Spyware - the Proof
Google being infamous for its propensity to launch free desktop tools doubling as data mining i.e. spyware gimmicks, we’ve checked and analyzed one aspect of their new Chrome browser’s data streaming behavior in more detail.

In conducting these tests we focused on the type of data being sent to Google when you enter something into the Chrome address field.

So we typed the URL http://www.microsoft.com into the address field in an intentionally slow fashion. Outgoing and incoming data streams where simultaneously analyzed deploying the network protocol analyzer tool Wireshark.

The ensuing log files indicate beyond doubt that the typed-in characters are being converted into GET commands calling a specific Google URL.

In this particular example all calls following were addressed at IP 74.125.43.100 which is assigned to the host bw-in-f100.google.com - clearly a Google property.

Generally speaking, the generated URLs will adopt this specific format:


http://74.125.43.100/complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=… The query string “q=…” is made up of the characters or letters you enter in the address field.

In the following log file excerpt we have purged the preceding part of the URLs, i.e. the string “http://74.125.43.100″ for easier readability. Following the initial GET line you’ll find the Google server return data. 

Session Protocol
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GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=h
["h",["http://www.hm.com/","hotmail","home depot","hsbc"],["Hx26M","430,000,000 results","32,300,000 results","27,800,000 results"],[],{"google:suggesttype":["NAVIGATION","QUERY","QUERY","QUERY"]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=htt
["htt",["http://www.facebook.com/","httpservletrequest","httrack","http 500"],["Facebook","1,000,000 results","554,000 results","87,500,000 results"],[],{"google:suggesttype":["NAVIGATION","QUERY","QUERY","QUERY"]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http
["http",["http://www.wikipedia.org/","httpservletrequest","http 500","http 404"],["Wikipedia","1,000,000 results","87,500,000 results","7,200,000 results"],[],{"google:suggesttype":["NAVIGATION","QUERY","QUERY","QUERY"]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A
[truncated] ["http:",["http://www.http-com.com/","http 500","http 404","http 403"],["Web file manager - web based file manager - HTTP Commander ::: FEATURES","87,500,000 results","7,200,000 results","68,400,000 results"],[],{"goog

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2F
[truncated] ["http://",["http://www.http-com.com/","http 500","http 404","http 403"],["Web file manager - web based file manager - HTTP Commander ::: FEATURES","87,500,000 results","7,200,000 results","68,400,000 results"],[],{"go

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fw
["http://w",["http ↗ www.myspace.com …“,”http watch”,”http ↗ www.facebook.com …“],[”81,800,000 results”,”249,000,000 results”,”20,000,000 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
[”http://www”,[”http ↗ www.myspace.com …“,”http ↗ www.facebook.com …“,”http ↗ www.friendster.com …“],[”81,800,000 results”,”20,000,000 results”,”2,760,000 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
[”http://www.”,[”http ↗ www.myspace.com …“,”http ↗ www.facebook.com …“,”http ↗ www.friendster.com …“],[”81,800,000 results”,”20,000,000 results”,”2,760,000 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
[”http://www.m”,[”http ↗ www.myspace.com …“,”http ↗ www.miniclip.com …“,”http ↗ www.mapquest.com …“],[”81,800,000 results”,”165,000 results”,”3,020,000 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.micro
[”http://www.micro”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.micros
[”http://www.micros”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsof
[”http://www.microsof”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft
[”http://www.microsoft”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.c
[”http://www.microsoft.c”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]

GET /complete/search?client=chrome&output=chrome&hl=en-US&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com
[”http://www.microsoft.com”,[”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … ie”,”http ↗ www.microsoft.com … windows directx”],[”19,500 results”,”23,700 results”],[],{”google:suggesttype”:[”QUERY”,”QUERY”]}]This shows nicely how each and every character, when entered in slow speed, gets transmitted to Google whereupon the Google system returns its suggestions that will not be modified further, the more complete your final address string becomes.

It is important to note that we are analyzing the browser’s address field here, not a Google query field!

In a nutshell: with its Chrome browser Google is actually monitoring your entire surfing behavior, not merely the searches you may conduct via their search engine.

So regardless how lax a data privacy standard you may embrace: this clearly and unambiguously qualifies Chrome as a blatant spyware tool!

You don’t have to be an Einstein to figure out that lots of privacy protection interest groups (and the European Commission who have been giving Google a pretty hard time over privacy violation issues in the recent past anyway…) will take a pretty dim view of this policy. So expect this matter to dominate the headlines for quite a while to come.

Nor would it come as a particular surprise to us if this should evolve into yet another public relations disaster for the Google crowd who have proved remarkably insensitive to concerns both by the general public and the body politic outside the USA in this field.

 

So are there any upsides to this from an SEO point of view? Maybe there are, indeed. Some suggestions come to mind off the cuff.

You could use Chrome specifically to either grab data from Google you’re interested in or to furnish them with data you actually want them to have.

Google’s suggestions obviously constitute a type of ranking preference list which you could use to determine specific web sites’ ranking.
You could turn the tables on them by using their browser as a “submission tool” of sorts by entering specific sites in an organic manner to announce them to Google. This may be yet another method of triggering the Googlebot spiders to actually crawl those sites.
In a further step, you might automate the process and daisywheel it across an extensive proxy network to simulate high levels of organic traffic to whichever web sites or pages you want to promote. Seeing that users’ search behavior seems to be gaining in importance as a ranking factor (much like DirectHit used to do back in the 90s), this may make eminent sense as a prime organic SEO tool of the not-too-distant future.
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 07:55:13 pm »
I know what you mean about google and privacy Dracho.  I know I'm probably going to get yelled at by nemesis for bringing this up, but do you remember when the justice department tried to get search data from google on child pornography?  Lots of people went off on the Bush administration for trying to get internet search records, but not enough people asked the important question, why is google keeping these records at all?

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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 08:32:29 pm »
I know I'm probably going to get yelled at by nemesis for bringing this up, but do you remember when the justice department tried to get search data from google on child pornography? 

Its quite relevant to a topic that belongs here in Engineering.  Just so long as people don't zero in on the politics and get "Hot and Spicy" on it there will be no problems. 

I'm a bit more paranoid than most over data retention.  I could save money with various cards (and right now that would be very good for me) but I refuse to use them as the companies that issue the cards would be tracking me and building up databases about ME, then they would buy others and sell theirs and the pile of data on me gets bigger and bigger and spread wider and wider. I'm a very private person and I HATE that.  I pay cash not credit or debit card.  As much as possible I minimize the data that can be collected about me.  Information in my computer software for registration and so forth is falsified.  Sure they can trace me by my IP address but it isn't static so that is limited to a degree.

I'd like to see all companies strictly limited on how much data they can collect and how long they can retain it as well as what they could do with it.  I can see why Google would want to collect overall browsing data to help improve their search but keeping specific stuff should not be allowed without my active permission, which they won't get.

I've even refused to answer certain questions on census forms.  (For some reason I have received more than my share of the Long and Intrusive form).  The government has no need to know such things as how often I have over night house guests for example.   If they force an answer I would lie as some things are none of their business.

I don't think that companies should be able to collect or sell data about me without my consent (which they wouldn't get).   I neither need nor want corporate big brothers looking over my shoulder.  If I were to buy a car again it would NOT have features like OnStar and if it did I would disable it first thing.

Did anyone hear of Googles Chrome sudden EULA change?  Basically it was claiming ownership of anything you uploaded using Chrome.  So if you used a webmail program with Chrome to send your "Great American Novel" to your publisher they could claim the right to publish it without paying you anything.  The same for anything else  you transferred.  They have backed off on it with the revised EULA due to complaints.  Why do companies keep letting their lawyers out without a leash?
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
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Why do companies keep letting their lawyers out without a leash?

Because most functional managers lack the expertise to tell the corporate lawyer she's an idiot.

Then let the Engineers or programmers do it.  They (mostly) have to have common sense and understanding of how the product is intended to be used. 
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Re: Google Chrome.What do you think?
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 10:42:58 pm »
LOL.. the engineers & programmers think everyone is an idiot.. and the programmers think the engineers are idiots, whereas the engineers can prove mathematically that the programmers are idiots.



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Why do companies keep letting their lawyers out without a leash?

Because most functional managers lack the expertise to tell the corporate lawyer she's an idiot.

Then let the Engineers or programmers do it.  They (mostly) have to have common sense and understanding of how the product is intended to be used. 
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