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Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« on: January 09, 2014, 02:48:57 am »
I posted this question in the model area, but also thought I'd ask in here.  Couldn't hurt.

Does anyone remember the Rom BC in the stock games?  I think it was called the Shadow Class?  Does anyone know if anyone ever made a higher poly version?  Trying to track one down.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 10:23:24 am »
There is no "Shadow Class" for Romulans in the game, at least not in their classification system.  Since the Romulans have three main designs to choose from and several of their CA's can be classed as "Battle Cruisers" you will have to be a little more specific. The only ships listed as "Battle Cruisers" in the shiplist for the Roms are the K7R, K7RB and the KCR (Heavy Battle Cruiser). All of these are the standard Klingon D6/7 design.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 11:16:57 am »
The stock models? 
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 11:28:56 am »
I still have the stock models, yes. I never got into the whole model thing.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 11:46:00 am »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 11:51:28 am »
Actually I think Corbomite is at least partially correct.  All of those games used the Klingon designs for the Romulans as a reflection of the time when the Klingon design was the ship of choice for that race.
There are some higher poly designs out there.  But I cannot for the life of me remember who they were.  Sorry, but I have been out of the loop for a while.

Did P-81's work include up-scaled Klingons?  (sorry ..... having a senior moment here!)
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 11:55:57 am »
You talking about the Romulan vessel with the D'Deridex Warbird head and triangular rear?

If I am reading you right you are talking about the KCN model for the Rom BB. I always wished I'd asked someone to put that head on the new Rom dreds. That pointy beak they have just looks awful, but with the KCN head on them they would look a lot like the D'Deridex we know from the show.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 12:54:53 pm »
You mentioned the models being redone. I don't think they were done over but I do believe the model you asking about was retextured a little better than the stock textures.
You talking about the Romulan vessel with the D'Deridex Warbird head and triangular rear?


Something like that, yeah.  It does that the warbird head.  Here's a link to an Armada converted model.  I should have posted it before.  I can't think like a modeler anymore these days.  Been out of the loop too long.

http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/file/Shadow;25567
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 01:23:56 pm »
Undeniably someone's model added to the ship list.  Sorry but I cannot remember whose.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2014, 02:03:35 pm »
Just from the shape and configuration I'd say that is a Firehawk hull which was used for many different configurations including the pocket dreds.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2014, 03:53:29 pm »
If someone has some more picts I will give it a shot !  the finished product will be 3DS that you can reformat as you desire.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2014, 04:21:48 pm »
If someone has some more picts I will give it a shot !  the finished product will be 3DS that you can reformat as you desire.


Why not just DL it from that site, then you can see it in 3D if you have the right program.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2014, 04:46:23 pm »
That's just it ..   I don't !  (sorry)
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2014, 05:30:57 pm »
If you're looking for the native-hull Heavy Battlecruiser (C7/BCF equivalent), what you want is the "heavy hawk" series: NovaHawk, Killerhawk, RoyalHawk. See if that does it for you?
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2014, 05:49:29 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2014, 06:13:35 pm »
If you're looking for the native-hull Heavy Battlecruiser (C7/BCF equivalent), what you want is the "heavy hawk" series: NovaHawk, Killerhawk, RoyalHawk. See if that does it for you?

The NovaHawk and RoyalHawk are CCH's. The only reason they are that high in BPV is the cloak cost. The KillerHawk is a pocket Dred or "Super Heavy Cruiser" as they call it. The C7/BCF equivalent is the KCR. He's looking for the Battle Cruiser equivalent, which would be the one of the several FireHawk, RegalHawk or FlameHawk series. With that said, all of these ships (except the KCR) are on the FireHawk hull.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2014, 06:48:44 pm »
Thanks for scraping the rust off the synapses there, Corbomite :)
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2014, 08:41:02 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2014, 08:48:31 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2014, 10:13:55 pm »
Slightly different nacell placement, but I still think that it is a sleeker version of this:
























Adam's top one looks a lot like the scout ship from The Defector, or am I remembering wrong?

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2014, 10:50:14 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2014, 10:52:46 pm »
Slightly different nacell placement, but I still think that it is a sleeker version of this:
























Adam's top one looks a lot like the scout ship from The Defector, or am I remembering wrong?


This is the actual model I need.  Not an equivalent ship for classification, but this particular design.  Just higher poly.  The one I found on SFC3 files, and even on the old Staryards site, they're Armada ports from the looks of it, meaning they're about 500 polys or less. 
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2014, 01:30:52 am »
Deleted: I had the wrong thing posted.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2014, 07:53:37 am »
Hey Centurus ....
I'll mess with this over the week end.  I think the way this forum is set up I can post screenies off of my HD. 

Ummm ..  just one thing I noticed:  the front end of this particular model looks overly simplified and somewhat "boxy" .  Mind if I add a little "flare" to this (as long as I don't get carried away) ?
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2014, 11:35:23 am »
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2014, 11:50:47 am »
No need, there was a pic already in the file:






Pretty nice, but the wings could sweep forward a little more.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2014, 12:00:56 pm »
This one also has different warp nacelle placement as well.  YO !  Centurus... which one do you prefer?
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2014, 12:42:57 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2014, 12:49:45 pm »
I'm for the second one with modified wings. It looks more like a FireHawk than any posted so far. The nacelle placement is rather irrelevant as long as it looks good.

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2014, 12:52:27 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2014, 02:05:55 pm »
I'm for the second one with modified wings. It looks more like a FireHawk than any posted so far. The nacelle placement is rather irrelevant as long as it looks good.

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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2014, 05:43:48 pm »
YIKES !!!

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Well if you want something easy try that kitbash of the KCN nose on the Praetor model I wanted.  ;) :)

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2014, 07:03:23 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2014, 07:17:43 pm »
The one at the bottom is the SFB version and I assume you don't mean the SparrowHawk models. They all look like the same model otherwise, which is a good model, but if Centurus wants a close replica of the model in the stock game like I showed, the wings will have to be extended towards the front to make the silhouette look correct. I like the nacelles on the top and at the end of the wings and someone could just extend the part where the wing crooks and the nacelle ends into a point to complete the wing form.

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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2014, 08:38:57 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2014, 09:50:31 pm »
I have the Fleetdock 13 and UltimateTOS models in a backup file, but they are all SFB style.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2014, 04:53:06 pm »
This is what I get for having to work these days.

Buzz, honestly, can't decide.  All are good.  Whichever closely resembles the ship my friend is asking for would be best.  If you want, add a little flare to the design to make it look nice.  I don't think it would hurt.  Besides, the original is such low poly, and as we have seen there are some minor variants, and also given which texture set is applied, it can have different details.  So, surprise me.

To everyone else, thanks for the response in this.  I think there might be demand for a ship like this.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2014, 06:19:29 pm »
OKIE bud ..  give me a couple days for a WIP report.  I still work a ridiculous number of hours a week  (yes even at 61 I still work an average of 55- 60 hrs a week).

I appreciate all of the picts.  This will give an idea of what to shoot at.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2014, 08:52:16 pm »
I tend to work odd hours every single day, mostly at home cause right now I don't have money for gas.  When you work on commission, things can get extremely tight. 
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2014, 07:30:58 am »
I should have a WIP if not tonight then by Wednesday PM.  Also ...  if someone could give a few picts. of the back half (secondary hull areas) from several views that would help a bit.  I have a pretty good idea what is there bout would like for the model we are working on to have at least a resemblance of what you are looking for.  The bulk head area or primary hull is about done.  I just need to add a few more details and we should be ready to present a few screen shots.

Again ..  I apologize for the delays.  I'll post more later on.

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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2014, 09:29:10 am »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2014, 10:32:28 am »
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I do not have the program to "unwrap" the model.  I'm not even sure if I have the old MOD viewer ...  etc.  I'm starting one from scratch.  IF someone can unwrap the model and place it in a folder where I can use Photoshop to do the textures I can ... once it has been unwrapped.

IF for some reason my friend Antivyrus happens by and reads this thread ...  yeah bud I have another one for us to work on.  (We've teamed up on projects like this before).

At any rate:  the reason I could use a few more screenies is that I'm not sure how that undercarriage looks  (beneath the "wings)  of this bird.  The front half is shaping up pretty good.
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2014, 10:43:34 am »
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2014, 03:12:43 pm »
bud...  it's been so long I forget how to do too much more than open the PDF(?) file ...  make a file in photo shop ...  convert into the correct file .. place back into folder ...  review in MOD ... etc.
 sorry ..  it have been at least 7 years or more!

BUT ..  I do have Wings 3-D.  I can export into 3DS when I'm done.  That can be unfolded and placed on individual sheets ( the old way that the MOD use to work).  Once those blank sheets are made available I can do the texturing.  I hope this makes sense ....  well ..  sort of !
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2014, 08:34:13 am »
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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2014, 09:31:10 am »
DOAH !!  I meant  BMP file !  Egad !  Yeah ..  I've really been out of it that long.  The other file you sent did not work!  I'll check again to make sure I didn't try to open with the wrong program.  I may have to get another MOD viewer ?

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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2014, 08:01:16 pm »
It's been so long since I've fired up the old MOD viewer.  I'm not even sure where I have it stored anymore.  Also not sure if Win7 will let it run these days.
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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2014, 09:37:32 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2014, 07:03:31 pm »
still a long way to go ...  but here is the start !

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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2014, 08:04:00 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2014, 09:36:58 am »
Thanks for input ... even the nacelles on that picts are grossly under sized .  There are tons of things to be done.  Lots of detail yet to do!  I'm even looking at extruding some of the top panels on the "Wings" to make them look more like ... well wings!  That mod viewer does not zoom in,  so some of the details I'm sort of guessing at!  I haven't even started on the underside of the ship  (as far as details go).

Hmmm ....  why not post a couple of ideas you like for Romulan nacelles that work for that era ??  Just a thought!

Do the wings look wide enough?  (this is my first Rommie ..  soooo  I'll gladly look at suggestions!)
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2014, 11:56:44 am »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2014, 12:44:32 pm »
1.  TRADITIONAL SCREEN:  TOS?  that was Klingon
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/cruiser_v11_upgrade.jpg
....  OR
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/cruiser_v8.jpg

2.  Taldren concepts ( the SFC versions )  This is sort of what I'm doing ..  more of a combination of the two favorites posted ... mixed with that plastic model you posted here as well.  ( I hope that makes sense).

3.  Other movie ideas that we need to incorporate: ??  Swept wing designs ... and the more rounded bird like head??  That is sort of what I did if you look closely.  It is a lot more rounded and "bird like" on the front end.  I'm also going to add more detail to the front end.

Just kind of food for thought: 

this one:  ( Taldren )
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/commandcruiser_v28.jpg

Plus some early TNG ??  era flare to the Taldren version??  That might include more detail on wings ... bulkhead and updated nacelles ?   I'm already smoothing out the wings and making the downward sweep a lot more smooth  (as opposed to straight line transitions).

I hope this makes sense?

IMHO  ...  a lot of the design depends on the "era" you want to reflect and how close to the Taldren model you prefer to build.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2014, 02:03:43 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2014, 04:12:14 pm »
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I finally got the MOD viewer to work (kind of odd in a way ...  but as long as it works).  I'll be making a few changes ...   but not too many.  I'll also be making my own interpretation of nacelles.  Do you guys think that we should go ahead and place 4 on this model??  Or just 2 ?

Later this evening I'll post a few more screenies for everyone.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2014, 04:17:03 pm »
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« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2014, 07:52:19 pm »
Progress is looking good Buzz.  I like your idea of extruding panels on the wings.  It won't add really that many polies to the model, but it'll give the right amount of detail where needed.
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2014, 07:57:03 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2014, 09:20:27 pm »
Here is a lil' update:

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« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2014, 09:42:31 pm »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2014, 09:48:47 pm »
OKIE...  The entire model is just one piece  (aside from the upper nacelles that were extracted and flipped over for the top).  This way I can easily make it 2 or 4 as requested.  Also:  I can easily save this one and export into 3-DS a new file and save as Shadowhawk III  ..  with newer TNG skins.   If that makes sense.

BTW...  do the nacelles look OK ?  They still seem a tad undersized to me ??

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« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2014, 09:53:47 pm »
Yes the nacelles are too dinky. They should go the length of the underside of the wing; about twice the size they are now. Other than that it looks mean!

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« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2014, 10:02:52 pm »
Already fixed ! And you are right !  Looks much better !!

 It will probably take a while to get the hull plating done correctly ... sooooo   it may be late this weekend before I post any more picts ...  I'll give it my best shot and see what shakes out.
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« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2014, 10:12:22 pm »
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2014, 10:59:31 am »
Any idea how may decks there should be for the bulk head ?  15?  20?
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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2014, 11:30:37 am »
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Re: Romulan BC from SFC1 and SFC2/OP
« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2014, 12:04:54 pm »
I have no clue. I don't even know what part he is refering to as the bulkhead.

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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2014, 12:12:54 pm »
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2014, 12:15:39 pm »
The front end that sticks out by it's self ...  Really I can do whatever we like.  I was just trying to get some idea as to how big this puppy is next to the TNG War Bird.  I'm not quite done with some of the detail on the "neck" and "bulk head".   
From what I've gathered this ship is much smaller than the War Bird ...  so 15 or decks should be fine !  Thoughts?
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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2014, 12:19:46 pm »
That thing is about the same size as an Excelsior class I'd say. From the tech data Adam posted the ship is 66m high, so if we say an average of 3m per deck then the entire ship is no more than 22 decks tall. Scale to that.

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« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2014, 12:58:51 pm »
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« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2014, 01:55:32 pm »
Corbomite: I was guessing somewhere between 15 - 20 ...  sooo  I think I will stick with that.  Not all of the decks will be extruded ... BUT ..  I need to make allowances for the textures and those decks that ARE extruded to be somewhat proportionate  (if that makes sense).

Adam:  I still have the original frame that I was working off of that is closer to the Taldren build.  I the first pictures I posted.  If needed I can save that under the "Shadowhawk II" and I will begin a separate file for this newer "hybrid" "Shadowhawk III". 

For now the Shadowhawk III will simply have some more detail (ie:  a few places on the bulkhead to be extruded ...  and hull plating panels raised on the body )

Shadowhawk pre TNG:  Shadowhawk IV .  If we develop this one right for that time period the  nacelles should be changed a bit.  Currently the Shadowhawk II and III reflect a more bulky or "squared" shapes to reflect the designs of that time.  Pre-TNG IMHO might have sleeker  designs of sorts.  The bulkhead would be a bit sleeker  (though not too much ).  The body would have a slightly different type of hull plating as well.

Hmmm....  I think I will hand sketch a few types of hull plating ...  scan them in and post later this evening and see what you guys think.  As I said earlier this is my first attempt at a Romulan ANYTHING !!   (sorry ... looks like you guys are the guinea pigs ! )

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« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2014, 04:53:52 pm »
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« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2014, 05:06:05 am »
Great progress!!
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« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2014, 08:26:55 am »
Really great work there Nice to see some new models come to life
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« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2014, 07:39:48 am »
My apologies for not posting any updates:  but when we get there you will see 3 separate models:  all of them based on the same design:  Shadowhawk II
1.  The version that we started with (the Taldren style with a few minor changes and a higher poly count).
2.  The next step with a few more features that are pre TNG
3.  The same model that leans more toward TNG "Nemesis"
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« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2014, 11:30:11 am »
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« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2014, 12:46:10 pm »
Sounds very promising.
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« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2014, 01:48:34 pm »
Centurus ..  I apologize for the lack of updates the last few days.  It's been kind of crazy at work ... 12 hour days again !

UGH!  I'll try again tonight to get a few picts of each of the 3 models so you can see where we're going with it.  The first two  (Taldren and pre TNG) are somewhat similar.  The REAL change is the 3rd unit.  However, the TNG (Nemesis era) still reflects the over all design.

I'll try to spend some more time on it this evening.
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« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2014, 01:52:14 pm »
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« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2014, 05:11:30 pm »
I'm the last one you gotta explain to about work.  I haven't been able to do work on several files for over a week due to flu.  Just starting to get over it.  Post when you can.
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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2014, 10:12:12 pm »
As promised.  I'll write or edit more detailed information tomorrow if needed.
1. Shadowhawk II  (Taldren )
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« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2014, 10:14:34 pm »
2.  Shadowhawk III
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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2014, 10:17:07 pm »
3.  Shadowhawk 4
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« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2014, 10:49:29 pm »
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« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2014, 12:29:02 am »
Excellent progress.  I posted a link to this thread to my friend who was originally looking for a higher poly version of this ship.  Hopefully she'll be able to see it.
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« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2014, 07:25:11 am »
I appreciate the encouragement guys !  I'll keep after it.  There is still a lot of work to do. 
1.  Shadowhawk II  (Taldren design) ...  still needs hull plating, detail on aft and underside.
2.  Shadowhawk III  ...  "Pre TNG"   ....  still needs hull plating, detail on underside and minor adjustments on bulk head.
3.  Shadowhawk IV  ...  "TNG Nemesis"  ...  wow ..  just getting started good on this one:  Bulkhead modifications, warp nacelles and pod changes, hull plating .... underside.  Yeah: this one is just getting started good!

If there is a particular priority you prefer let me know.  For whatever it is worth I also appreciate the patience ! 
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« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2014, 03:40:35 pm »
Wow that is really nice work   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2014, 06:22:23 pm »
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« Reply #92 on: January 31, 2014, 07:29:55 am »
Isn't it, I'm loving the Nemesis version 4. Really sleek.

Adam

I've already started reworking the bulkhead and the neck: making it more contemporary with the design of the Nemesis era.  I have a very intense weekend scheduled but I will make some more progress and try to post.

Here is a link to some thoughts on Nemesis era stuff ...  I've even considered this as a potential separate project.  Yes I'm aware of where it is from.  But IMHO it does reflect some very interesting concepts.  the second link is in fact the Valdore class
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-srrqqmOkWQM/UUvtt-jvnGI/AAAAAAAAPT8/ZiAeAydVO2c/s1600/Star+Trek+Online+Romulan+warbird+concept.jpg

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« Reply #93 on: January 31, 2014, 08:53:30 am »
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« Reply #94 on: January 31, 2014, 09:32:38 am »
The key to this will to keep the overall design characteristics to still resemble the "original" Shadowhawk.   I keep the older body design before making the next "step" in upgrades.  That way I can always go back if needed.  It also is a good safety net incase I mess up so badly I ruin the one I'm working on!
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« Reply #95 on: February 07, 2014, 10:55:10 pm »
Sorry for the delay.  It's been a rough week.  Here are a few updates for Shadowhawk 4.  Still a long way to go.  Once we get the hulls done on all 3 I will do the hull plating on all 3.  (the first two models are getting closer to completion aside from the plating).

In the mean time ...  enjoy  (in put appreciated). 

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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2014, 07:23:02 am »
WOOHOO!!!
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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2014, 07:48:58 am »
Wow that is going to look great one skinned  Great work there  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2014, 04:47:09 am »
WOOHOO!!!


What are you cheering about Centurus, you old goat.  You haven't even seen what it will look like damaged and blowing up yet?  Wait till you test run it and you see that before you cheer too hard.  Of course it does look pretty superb at full health, maybe you can hid in the nebulas and admire it for a while where there are no Lyran BCH's waiting.

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« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2014, 08:23:22 am »
I've repaired the links...  the models have a few more details and should be done soon.  I'm not sure about the skins yet. 
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« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2014, 08:46:51 am »
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