Topic: Attention everyone

[J'inn]

HOW DARE YOU!!!

I am pissed.   Rabid.  Eruptive!  I will no longer be quiet in light of this B.S.  This is pathetic.  

I am absolutely tired of these lies.  Dirty filthy lies.  I . . . I . .  I?m so mad I can?t type.  I am actually on the verge of physical violence here.

I don?t need to read this crapola all day long.  The unmitigated gall of it all!!

For the absolute last time.

I AM NOT A NICE GUY!!

I have a reputation to uphold.  Do you weasels have any idea what would happen to me in real life if it was rumored that I was a nice guy??   DO YOU?   NO YOU DON?T!!   I?d be ruined.

I am a vicious unreasonable nasty SOB that should be feared and loathed.  I?ll sue the pants off of anyone who says different.

Don?t you people give a damn that I just may have bills to pay and a living to make.  Nice lawyers starve!!    I don?t even have my *()*$*($&*0 Ferrari yet and you people are trying to put me on the unemployment line!  You people are absolutely heartless.

Also, I do note that my name was first put on this thread of lies and deceit by Evil Dave Wessels.  Notes have been made and a Process Server has been contacted.  Kiss yer wallet goodbye Dave.

NICE!!  Hmmph.  I?ll show ya.

Now someone pass me some smores before I get real testy.

[ZTempest]

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HOW DARE YOU!!!

I am pissed.   Rabid.  Eruptive!  I will no longer be quiet in light of this B.S.  This is pathetic.  

I am absolutely tired of these lies.  Dirty filthy lies.  I . . . I . .  I?m so mad I can?t type.  I am actually on the verge of physical violence here.

I don?t need to read this crapola all day long.  The unmitigated gall of it all!!

For the absolute last time.

I AM NOT A NICE GUY!!

I have a reputation to uphold.  Do you weasels have any idea what would happen to me in real life if it was rumored that I was a nice guy??   DO YOU?   NO YOU DON?T!!   I?d be ruined.

I am a vicious unreasonable nasty SOB that should be feared and loathed.  I?ll sue the pants off of anyone who says different.

Don?t you people give a damn that I just may have bills to pay and a living to make.  Nice lawyers starve!!    I don?t even have my *()*$*($&*0 Ferrari yet and you people are trying to put me on the unemployment line!  You people are absolutely heartless.

Also, I do note that my name was first put on this thread of lies and deceit by Evil Dave Wessels.  Notes have been made and a Process Server has been contacted.  Kiss yer wallet goodbye Dave.

NICE!!  Hmmph.  I?ll show ya.

Now someone pass me some smores before I get real testy.  

ROFL!!!!!  

J'inn...I have sincerely missed you my friend.  

I am going to be a bit more active I think.  I am going to have to dust off EAW and see if I can fly on your wing once again soon.

So...to set the record straight --

J'inn has no heart -- instead there is a big lump of gold there that he dips into every once in a while to keep the Riverboat Casino going....

And he does not have a Ferrarri yet...because he likes Mirak Drone Cruisers instead

And ummm.....if Mrs. Tempest, Redfur, and the rest of WANKER don't mind....can we throw a bash at the Casino soon?

Makes me want to paint my Kzinti MCC Pink.....

Regards,

Tempest

 

[Goose]

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SPOC is a good idea but it does not have to be that complicated. I think all we really need is for the neutral party Server Scheduling publicist to make a sticky thread at the top of this forum and maintain the thread.  Editing the scheduling as the admins PM in updates.  The Sticky thread approach is an easy and simple way to reference to all D2 players to see what servers are in  "on-tap", "distant thunder" and "might be a good idea, I dunno" status.  We could even just have one of the forum moderators do it.

   

A sticky thread would be the best way to "SPOC". A single point of reference for everyone. It doesn't have to be a person. Although someone will need to "keep control" over it as it could very easily degrade into a war of competing servers.



Stumpy, nope not for me either.

[Kroma_BaSyl]

I would like to reiterate my seconding of the J'inn nomination, by pointing out that you could never find a more unbiased individual than J'inn. As a lawyer you can rest assured that no matter what affiliation he has had in the past he can always be bought. Thus the server schedule would be determined in the order that the checks clear. Now what could be more democratic than that?

[Fluf]

What I would like to see is all the admins work through the Dyna Admin mail group and announce the intended date of start of the their respective campaigns.  And this does include SFC3.  Any problems can be worked out there.  Schedules can be posted and adjusted in a sticky thread from there.  I personally run campaigns in all 3 games and am now working on another LItterbox for SFC3 and also want to put up a OP campaing soon.  Im sure we will get some overlap sometimes. Although this can hurt certain major campaigns, we must give the players from all 3 games the ability to play and have a server up for them.  Although the Litterbox was geared more to the EAW/OP crowd for SFC3, I had scheduled it to come down just before DOE started.  LB3 will probably not start until most of the D2 coming campaigns have finished.  I do think we need a OP campaign up and running now, for testing and to give the OP players something to do.

As far as assigning one person to schedule, or a committee, I dont think this is needed.  Simple communication through the admin email group should be able to work any scheduling problems out between each other.  Once these scheduling problems are worked out there, they can be posted in a sticky thread here.

Any admin that is not part of the Yahoo Admin Group, you should be in there!

[Kroma_BaSyl]

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What I would like to see is all the admins work through the Dyna Admin mail group and announce the intended date of start of the their respective campaigns.  And this does include SFC3.  Any problems can be worked out there.  Schedules can be posted and adjusted in a sticky thread from there.  I personally run campaigns in all 3 games and am now working on another LItterbox for SFC3 and also want to put up a OP campaing soon.  Im sure we will get some overlap sometimes. Although this can hurt certain major campaigns, we must give the players from all 3 games the ability to play and have a server up for them.  Although the Litterbox was geared more to the EAW/OP crowd for SFC3, I had scheduled it to come down just before DOE started.  LB3 will probably not start until most of the D2 coming campaigns have finished.  I do think we need a OP campaign up and running now, for testing and to give the OP players something to do.

As far as assigning one person to schedule, or a committee, I dont think this is needed.  Simple communication through the admin email group should be able to work any scheduling problems out between each other.  Once these scheduling problems are worked out there, they can be posted in a sticky thread here.

Any admin that is not part of the Yahoo Admin Group, you should be in there!  

Dammit, there is no place in this thread for a voice of reason. Quit trying to piss on my fire.

[CaptStumpy]

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Dammit, there is no place in this thread for a voice of reason. Quit trying to piss on my fire.  

ooopshh...shorry about that...(staggers off into woods)

[kosh2000]

Why should some who  dose not have eaw  and only op have to wait  for a eaw campaign to finish ? Or vice versa there where many players on the triangle who did  not have eaw .  

[skyline]

Just sitting back and thinking ppl ...

Exactly how many concurrent online D2 players are we concerned about here ?

Do we really need central D2 command to handle the D2 hordes ?

We have done our best over the last 2 years to collectively "shoot ourselves in the foot". Do we really need to take a step further ?

Please .. let a bit of the old common sense prevail !

Just $0.02

Mr Skyline
 

 

[CaptStumpy]

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Why should some who  dose not have eaw  and only op have to wait  for a eaw campaign to finish ? Or vice versa there where many players on the triangle who did  not have eaw .  

I pointed this out earlier. And therein lies the dreaded curse of the OP standalone strategy. It should have been an expansion. If it had been we would all be playing the same game and elements of OP could be picked and chosen. Fixing resourses could have been concentrated on one game instead of two.

There is no easy solution to this and is unfair to expect those with only EAW to wait around for an OP campaign to finish just as much as it is for OP to have been neglected for EAW. Until the patch it wasn't much of a concern, post patch it is. I think it is unreasonable to expect a tit for tat specific arrangement for this. I also recognise that more players play EAW, does that mean that we should give OP campaigns only limited playtime?

The best that we can hope for is that the most popular campaigns will try hard to not run simultaneously. However if someone chooses to run back to back continuous EAW campaigns for example, I don't think it can be avoided.

There is some good feedback in this thread, some good people (except for nasty J'inn of course) and I think we can all successfully play together, the admins must cooperate on their own good faith, no system will be completely equitable to all concerned, admins and players alike.

CaptStumpy

I now return you to your regular drunken party   (passes plate of mealworms to Kroma)

[Mog]

I would just like to say a little thank you for mellowing the thread down

[FatherTed]

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 Damn, where is warlock with those marshmellows?

::Tosses a bag of Campfire's best to Kroma::

Personally, I think there needs to be a little consideration for the players. I like both EAW and OP. I feel like I get left out of something cool half the time.

I do realize that the admins pay for this stuff as well.

Some happy medium somewhere?  

Hey can I have some too? The marshmellows that is.  

Oh and I agree, all sides need to be considered - SFC2, SFCOP, SFC3, players and admins alike.

Beyond that I have nothing to say so please can I have a few of those ...    

I hate marshmallows but I'll take a hit of that whiskey (takes swig) passes it to Tracey...  

Why thankyou. Passes the hip flask back to Capt. Stumpy after taking a swig or two. Stumpy looks in the flask.
"Errrr... it's empty..."
"Ummm, sorry, I was thirsty and it was a little flask"...  

Brings in graham crackers, hershey bars, and an extra bag of marshmellows....

"S'mores anyone?"  

Cracks open a pony keg, dips in a battered tin cup full to the brim with Brandy, and passes it to the left.

Can we sing campfire songs now and get maudlin?  

   

Kumbaya. Now pass that cup over here.    

[Cleaven]

There is no need for a UN Dynaverse scheduling council. Nothing will be achieved by it.

There is enough trouble getting servers to start on time, and stay up, without trying to regulate who can and can't. As long as things are announced and people are kept as informed as possible then it should be okay as is, without any extra incumbencies on volunteers who provide a service for their own gratification as well as their users.

As for resistance to an OP server because the EAW servers are running, well that doesn't wash. OP must be tested, and some sort of semi-serious OP server is the only way to achieve this. There are enough people who will take OP over EAW, given the choice between two functioning D2's, to make it worthwhile. We just need to see how functional OP is and a co-ordinator won't achieve that.


 

[gornrule]

 I nominate myself for the position of Executive Arbiter of All Things Dynaverse.  I will have final say on all servers, times, campaigns, settings, missions, and who can play.  I will surround myself with a committee of dedicated 'yes men' who will only serve to rubberstamp my brilliant ideas.  The first thing I will do is implement a 'pay for play' tax, which goes directly to me. (Don't worry J'inn, your cut comes under 'consulting fees').

  First things first : <tosses marshmallows, chocodiles, and tequila to Kroma>
                              < Krispy Kremes for the kitties>
                              <small manila envelope for J'inn>
                             

  I applaud anyone who takes the time,energy, and effort to create and run a server.  I wouldn't even if I could.  But I think that, much like a server, the more 'rules' you put into play, even with the best intentions, will only further splinter a somewhat fragile community.  Common sense and courtesy have avoided much of the server overlap.  I think that, in lieu of a 'committee', just announce your campaign when its ready.  If ya want people to play it, you won't do that in the middle of another one.  I like choices.  If 10 people want to run simultaneous servers, I say go for it.  It will only help our community grow, and give people choices, as opposed to telling them that they have to play on a certain server.  Freedom of choice, what a concept.

  And I second/second J'inns nomination.

  Flame away, I can take the heat.


Gwarlock

[3dot14]

PRO of scheduling:
1. avoids an empty server that the admin worked so hard on. (or a period with NO server)
2. allows players to "devote" themselves.
3. Better coordination by RM's

CON of scheduling:
1. competition for spots. "who died and made you boss"? (bless the Simpsons)
2. limited choice for players
3. imposes restrictions on Admins.


Personally, as a SPARODIC D2 player. (I once vowed to start playing D2 when I had free time months ago, but the school work have once again and I barely have enough time to flip though the forums)

I think the question that REALLY needs to be asked is:

Are (and How many) concurrent campaign servers viable? Will there be enough people to go around?

and the only way to find out is a a free-for-all...

Should a day come that there are not enough numbers to statisfactorilly support two concurrent servers. Then it's time to bring this up. But probably not before...

AND WHY IS EAW and OP CONTINUED to be mentioend together? OP is a separate game (pity) but IT IS. So let OP server do their own thing. Considering the populations do not completely overlap. (as ztempest points out)

[Green]

I can see the reasons to try to align various EAW campaigns, as has been done.  And I can see why D3 or OP campaigns would want to do the same.

But I don't see why EAW, OP, and 3 campaigns can't run concurrently.  I own all 3 games, and have enjoyed them all (to some degree).  But there are plenty of players who prefer to just play one or two of the three or who don't own all 3 games.  I'd prefer if the admins, who do all the work, would be allowed to put their servers up when they think it is best.  The EAW admins seem to have come to an agreement to allow their servers to get the maximum participation of the EAW crowd.  Good on them, I think they are right.  

But I'm not in favor of having all SFC title admins coordinate their schedules.  Shoot, unless someone has mastered the 200 person server setting (shades of CW6) half of the players couldn't get on anyway.  And getting to play EAW for 4-6 weeks and then wait another 2-4 months before another good EAW campaign comes up doesn't sound too good.  

The thread has listed a cadre of good people who could do the job very well (even the ambulance chaser).  But I contend that there doesn't need to be a position because it shouldn't be done.  Let the 3 games continue at the same time - deconflict between campaigns of EAW if the admins desire.  But don't expand this schedule out to all 3 games.

But, democracy aside, in the end it needs to be  the admins (the ones who do the actual work) who will be the ones that determine what is finally done.  And I won't complain about what these people - who give me something for free - decide to do.  Thanks for asking for input Tracy, it is appreciated.

[jdmckinney]

MOG!!

Buster, you have some nerve poking your furry head in here ...

... WITHOUT BRINGING THE CATNIP!!!

Get out until you can contribute something useful!

[Cocomoe]

          If you guys want I know the GFL an't the only place running a full time chat server,  why not get everyone togther.
   If you want to try to work this out face to face, you can pick a time and we can do it on ours.  

    I personally like the thought of scheduling ther D2's, as our base of players is alot smaller that it once was.  

   Reason why I like a schedule: (More than a few will dubplicate from earlier this thread)
1. And alot can be learned from one dyna that can be applied to another.
2. Players can sleep on one dynaverse.
3. Possible chance from all the current dyna admins to colaberate on a super campaign.


   Reason not to like:
1. Who's the boss.
2. No everyone may like what's going on fat the current campaign.
3. Do you schedule around SFC3 and SFC:OP
4. Perception or an actuall one person or group trying to take over everything.  
                                        (I recall some of you saying that about the GFL at one time.)


   

[CptCastrin]

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 Damn, where is warlock with those marshmellows?

::Tosses a bag of Campfire's best to Kroma::

Personally, I think there needs to be a little consideration for the players. I like both EAW and OP. I feel like I get left out of something cool half the time.

I do realize that the admins pay for this stuff as well.

Some happy medium somewhere?  

Hey can I have some too? The marshmellows that is.  

Oh and I agree, all sides need to be considered - SFC2, SFCOP, SFC3, players and admins alike.

Beyond that I have nothing to say so please can I have a few of those ...    

I hate marshmallows but I'll take a hit of that whiskey (takes swig) passes it to Tracey...  

Why thankyou. Passes the hip flask back to Capt. Stumpy after taking a swig or two. Stumpy looks in the flask.
"Errrr... it's empty..."
"Ummm, sorry, I was thirsty and it was a little flask"...  

Brings in graham crackers, hershey bars, and an extra bag of marshmellows....

"S'mores anyone?"  

Cracks open a pony keg, dips in a battered tin cup full to the brim with Brandy, and passes it to the left.

Can we sing campfire songs now and get maudlin?  

   

Kumbaya. Now pass that cup over here.      

Pass that 'round this way Father.    

[Kroma_BaSyl]

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I will surround myself with a committee of dedicated 'yes men'

Might I suggest Skolean flight school dropout instead. What with the recent influx of flight school applicants do to the inclusion of Gorn fighters on DOE they are a dime a dozen, plus they are simply delectable.