Topic: BSG (Read 28045 times)

NJAntman · « **on:** December 09, 2003, 06:06:17 am »

Hopefully without kicking over an anthill, your thoughts on BSG?

I liked it. Has a nice feel; other than "spin up the FTL drives" it seems believable. Like the live action view-point and quietness of space shots ala B5.

Just wish I'd remembered to set the capture card to get the whole eposide.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:42:06 am »

Your kidding, right? I tried to watch last night without letting any critics cloud my judgement (critics and myself don't hardly ever agree) but what was on last night was pure drivel. Looked to me like every human on the show was on a steady diet of viagra and thorizine. Heck, the first 30 min was devoted to "who's banging who" and to "how strange we are". I could go on but this isn't the Hot and Spicy forum and I don't want to get into trouble.

Blyre · « **Reply #2 on:** December 09, 2003, 07:27:39 am »

I watched the first episode last night and overall I like it, but a few things stuck out in my mind:

1) The ton and a half of references to the original series bothered me because if this was supposed to be a "reimagining" why bother referencing the original at all? In my opinion, it cluttered things up with irrelevent information.

2) There were too many of those far and away moving shots of the fighters. To me, it did more to overemphasize that these were simply models than "actual" fighters moving through Space. I think they could have been selective with their use.

3) The Baby Scene. That did nothing to advance the plot or advance the idea that Number 6 was evil. I had to turn away from the screen for a few seconds.

4) The Uniforms. The uniforms, while very stylish, kept reminding me a little too much of Babylon 5.

5) The premise of being Low-Tech. The Cylons of this fictional universe were well known to be capable of infiltrating advanced electronic systems. Why didn't the lessons of their Cylon War carry over into the post war world?

Like I said above, I did like the new BSG, but I think they were trying to have it both ways. They wanted to be "original" yet wanted to rope in the fans of the original series but in the process came up quite a bit short.

So far, I give the new BSG a C+, which is subject to change.

Wallace

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:10:52 am »

I caught it, thanks to Dave Ferrel and others bringing it to my attention with the boycott attempt (ditto the Reagan movie)

It was entertaining, I guess. The whole "who's banging whom" thing was kinda dopey, but the spaceships were cool and the cylon chick was hot. I'll probably pass on the rest of the series.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:11:45 am »

I thought it was a fantastic show. I enjoyed it completely.

I understand that there are purists, waxing poetic about the old show. I understand they won't like this. But I am not one of them and so --unhindered by bias --I was able to enjoy myself.

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

I didn't mind the references to the old show, in fact, for me it sort of added to it and made me smile when I saw thing like a drawing of the old Cylon Centurion.

I was very skeptical about the "reality show" style in the special effects when I heard about it, but once I saw them I was really impressed. It worked, and although it didn't look as 'real' as the producers were trying to say, nonetheless I still thought it was good. The battle music was very well done.

The acting was pretty good, and in particular that of Adama. I did not care for Apollo, that performance was pretty flat. And the new Starbuck tries too hard. I thought that the new President's performance was superb and utterly believable.

(Side note: I loved when the PR guy gets Apollo up to meet her, hoping he will usurp her authority. Then Apollo watches her barking orders and getting the job done and just tells the guy "Looks like the lady is in charge...")

It was well written, well paced and for the most part well acted.

And now, I must blaspheme: It was a better show than the original, in nearly every way. Period. (Personally, I liked the original Apollo actor better than the new one, but that's about the only thing I can think of that I liked better from the original show).

Man, I hope this becomes a new series.

Oh, and as a Kzinti at heart, I love the excellent use of drones in the show!

My humble US$0.02,
Scott

Blyre · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:17:57 am »

Those weren't drones, Scott. They were missiles

Wallace

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:23:55 am »

Quote:

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

Actually, I thought it might be deeper than that. Number 6 mentioned that the baby would not have to cry for much longer meaning that nuclear armageddon was near. So, she might have considered it a mercy killing in her own twisted way.

It was interesting to see Simon Fraser University on screen for that shot anyway.

Toasty0 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:33:06 am »

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with the late night broadcast my resolve weakened.

Overall I liked it. For a pilot espisode it was well done. Some fine performances by some talented actors. Great production values.

My only major nit was the homage to Alien--all those gaping mouths, hissing, and darting tongues. Personally, I don't need the anime-type close-up of a kiss.

I too found the baby scene quite disturbing--but I appluad the story tellers for that scene. It was effective while at the same time introducing an element of internal conflict for the bad guy.

Over all this episode stood on its own...and well, I think it left in the dust the original that spawned it. (Sorry Dave, but I think you should take a look.)

Best,
Jerry

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:45:19 am »

Wel, from the tone of the responses so far I can see that the level of requirements for good storytelling have gone WAY downhill for most people. Must be all of that fine "reality TV". I've seen better drama at a pizza joint. I guess we see why sci fi is a dying art. If what was shown last night was considered good to great then I shudder to think what the new definition of "bad" is.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:51:04 am »

I took the baby killing as a mercy thing too. Besides, it was one ugly baby.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:13:34 am »

Hmmm, I'd have thought someone who calls himself "starwolf" would have a sense of humor. Okey-dokey.

Blyre · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:04:51 am »

I was talking about specific precautions such as firewalls, rotating security passcodes, things that would be more than obvious to the Colonials yet there was no evidence of this in the episode. Yes, Baltar and Number 6 made references to unencumbered access to the Defense Mainframe, but unless the Colonial military was incredibly incompetent, the breaches in security would have been found and compensated for.

Your post seems a little testy there, Al, is everything okay? Remember this isn't Hot and Spicy, but Cool and Refreshing.

Wallace

Sten · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:15:14 am »

How long did Kevin Mitnik run around the Ubnited States with the access he gained.

Captain Quirk simply called up the access codes to the Reliant when he disabled Khan's controls.

How much money did it cost to correct the blaster and slammer viruses damage?

So the Cylons gained complete access to the database $_it happens sometimes.

Only thing I didn't really like character wise last night was the starbuck character. It just didn't work for me. Other than that I enjoyed the 2 hours I spent watching the show. Not bad for a Monday night.

Kortez · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:22:34 am »

I am not sure what to make of BSG yet. I found it kind of slow moving; that is what sticks out most in my mind, other than two things: I didn't like Baltar and Captain Apollo was not the heroic doer he was in the TV series.

I tend to be super critical, however. I taped it, watched it again, and liked it better the second time, and will tape and watch the second episode twice more.

Why did they make it? Is there even a chance to turn it into a series.

Oh, I did not like Starbuck, but I hope she will turn into more of a star tonight.

Cheers!

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:09:18 pm »

Okay, nevermind...

Toasty0 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:14:24 pm »

Boys, let's bahave ourselves.

TalonClaw · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:48:05 pm »

I thought the show was great sci-fi. Those who are so closed minded owe it to themselves to at least take a look at the pilot and then judge it. I see it as a new show retelling an old story. It's better than the original despite it's few downsides.

The sex scene was a bit much for a prime time show but I think it was showing how Baltar falls from grace. He's weak like most men when it comes to a sexy woman. She's obviously cultivating him for later otherwise she would have had what she needed and killed him or just let him die on the planet. His getting on SHARON's ship was arranged. I think we will see him get pretty evil later on if the show takes off as a series.

The reason the people developed technology despite the ban on it long ago was many felt the ban was outdated and hindering progress. Many problems needed to be solved and could be done through technology. The Cylons hadn't been around for 40 years. You know how corporations and governments work. If there is no threat then they can not justify something that is either costly or a hindrance to progress. In the name of progress and money we need to move on. That's what we were seeing in Baltar's TV interview.

Baltar completes a navigational program with 6's help. It's the CNP that the Cylons use to shut down the Vipers, Battlestars, and defenses. It's installed in the entire fleet's ships. Since there are probably not many who understand the artificial intelligence of his programming no one probably ever questioned it. This is what the Cylons use to shut down all the fleet. Galactica did not use this new navigational software. It's systems were still antiquated. Adama apparently remembered the threat technology could be and refused to ever let his ship be updated. Probably the main reason it was being retired. 6 was also allowed by Baltar to poke around the defense mainframe thus learning all the fleet defenses, deployments, orders etc.

I'll definitely be watching again tonight. There are already rumors that the execs have given a go for a series.

762 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:59:53 pm »

BTW if anybody saw a sex scene I'd like to know when. Unless Blondie was wearing crotchless undies I don't see how it could have happened.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:04:02 pm »

You just move the little strip of fabric... err, I've already been warned to behave

dangadget · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:21:22 pm »

was i the only viewer who heard warning bells going off as the new "reimagining" of the Cylon menace started to unfold?

ahem...Earthsiege? Starsiege anyone?

if you had read the rather extensive backstory that Dynamix studios tried to create for those games, you'd see rather significant similarities.

machines that were originally used to help mankind but then rebelled, attempting to destroy their creators.

a long running war between man and machines.

fear of technology and the intentional "dumbing down" of certain technologies.

pilotless enemy craft.

hmmm......i'm going to dig out my Starsiege reference stuff again, but i assure those of you not familiar with it that the storylines are eerily similar.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:29:04 pm »

Aliens wear panties?

The_Joker · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:38:07 pm »

Yes, sexy leather ones, apparently.

Actually, you gotta remember, that while aliens to us, these people are still humans, and Six is modeled after a human, so I'd say that she probably wears panties.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #33 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:53:03 pm »

It'll be funny if the only BSG thread that doesn't get locked or moved is the one that degenerates into how to get around a pair of panties.

msnevil · « **Reply #36 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:16:35 pm »

You see... You use your teeth and....

Blyre · « **Reply #37 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:18:39 pm »

I just finished watching the second episode of BSG and in short, I am definitely developing a liking for this series. I'd give a more detailed critique of it, but I don't want to spoil it for those who may not yet have viewed it.

Wallace

Aldaron · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2003, 07:20:45 am »

For any that have missed or will miss the episodes they are replaying all of them Sunday.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2003, 11:30:32 am »

Actually to me it's starting to feel more like the Traveller universe. (RPG Sci-Fi game by GDW)

I didn't think anyone else even remembered Traveller. Used to have the COMPLETE set including the Striker miniature rules set. Then my wonderful Aunt threw them all out. Half the book were in mint condition too. I even had the Azanti (SP) Lightening module.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:11:37 pm »

Traveller was republished a few years ago.

Sirgod · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:38:48 pm »

Man I still have a Few traveller books lying around here. I might have to get back into It.

I just looked at me Bookshelf , and Saw Kafer Dawn. heh memories.

Stephen

762 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:04:30 pm »

Pffft!

I know the answer..."Simulated TV Sex"!

762 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:07:15 pm »

Dude, THIS is what she was wearing:

Now I have just one question: hole or no hole???

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #50 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:31:19 pm »

Thank you for your honesty, Antman...

Baker · « **Reply #52 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:16:26 pm »

I've been looking for ages trying to find out if and when its going to be shown here in Australia, however I've had little success, can anyone help me out a bit please, otherwise I guess I'll just have to miss out on this show.

SBOTaylor · « **Reply #53 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:16:37 am »

Well, If anyone was watching, when blondie and balter were making out I believe the underwear was the second thing to go, so the issue about how to get around the underwear was a mute subject. Otherwise other than trying to hard to make them more earthlike in language and clothing I felt the story was well told.

RockoWillis · « **Reply #56 on:** December 14, 2003, 06:20:04 pm »

I would love to see the Galactica go up against a Borg Cube!!! Hey lets make a mod of the Galactica and throw it into the game like the Scimitar!

Rocko

762 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 15, 2003, 12:27:50 pm »

Hmm, I thought I only saw the bra come off.

Maybe the glowing spine was distracting me! Yesh, that's it!!

NJAntman · « **Reply #62 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:06:17 am »

Hopefully without kicking over an anthill, your thoughts on BSG?

I liked it. Has a nice feel; other than "spin up the FTL drives" it seems believable. Like the live action view-point and quietness of space shots ala B5.

Just wish I'd remembered to set the capture card to get the whole eposide.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #63 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:42:06 am »

Your kidding, right? I tried to watch last night without letting any critics cloud my judgement (critics and myself don't hardly ever agree) but what was on last night was pure drivel. Looked to me like every human on the show was on a steady diet of viagra and thorizine. Heck, the first 30 min was devoted to "who's banging who" and to "how strange we are". I could go on but this isn't the Hot and Spicy forum and I don't want to get into trouble.

Blyre · « **Reply #64 on:** December 09, 2003, 07:27:39 am »

I watched the first episode last night and overall I like it, but a few things stuck out in my mind:

1) The ton and a half of references to the original series bothered me because if this was supposed to be a "reimagining" why bother referencing the original at all? In my opinion, it cluttered things up with irrelevent information.

2) There were too many of those far and away moving shots of the fighters. To me, it did more to overemphasize that these were simply models than "actual" fighters moving through Space. I think they could have been selective with their use.

3) The Baby Scene. That did nothing to advance the plot or advance the idea that Number 6 was evil. I had to turn away from the screen for a few seconds.

4) The Uniforms. The uniforms, while very stylish, kept reminding me a little too much of Babylon 5.

5) The premise of being Low-Tech. The Cylons of this fictional universe were well known to be capable of infiltrating advanced electronic systems. Why didn't the lessons of their Cylon War carry over into the post war world?

Like I said above, I did like the new BSG, but I think they were trying to have it both ways. They wanted to be "original" yet wanted to rope in the fans of the original series but in the process came up quite a bit short.

So far, I give the new BSG a C+, which is subject to change.

Wallace

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #65 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:10:52 am »

I caught it, thanks to Dave Ferrel and others bringing it to my attention with the boycott attempt (ditto the Reagan movie)

It was entertaining, I guess. The whole "who's banging whom" thing was kinda dopey, but the spaceships were cool and the cylon chick was hot. I'll probably pass on the rest of the series.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #66 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:11:45 am »

I thought it was a fantastic show. I enjoyed it completely.

I understand that there are purists, waxing poetic about the old show. I understand they won't like this. But I am not one of them and so --unhindered by bias --I was able to enjoy myself.

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

I didn't mind the references to the old show, in fact, for me it sort of added to it and made me smile when I saw thing like a drawing of the old Cylon Centurion.

I was very skeptical about the "reality show" style in the special effects when I heard about it, but once I saw them I was really impressed. It worked, and although it didn't look as 'real' as the producers were trying to say, nonetheless I still thought it was good. The battle music was very well done.

The acting was pretty good, and in particular that of Adama. I did not care for Apollo, that performance was pretty flat. And the new Starbuck tries too hard. I thought that the new President's performance was superb and utterly believable.

(Side note: I loved when the PR guy gets Apollo up to meet her, hoping he will usurp her authority. Then Apollo watches her barking orders and getting the job done and just tells the guy "Looks like the lady is in charge...")

It was well written, well paced and for the most part well acted.

And now, I must blaspheme: It was a better show than the original, in nearly every way. Period. (Personally, I liked the original Apollo actor better than the new one, but that's about the only thing I can think of that I liked better from the original show).

Man, I hope this becomes a new series.

Oh, and as a Kzinti at heart, I love the excellent use of drones in the show!

My humble US$0.02,
Scott

Blyre · « **Reply #67 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:17:57 am »

Those weren't drones, Scott. They were missiles

Wallace

Toasty0 · « **Reply #69 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:33:06 am »

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with the late night broadcast my resolve weakened.

Overall I liked it. For a pilot espisode it was well done. Some fine performances by some talented actors. Great production values.

My only major nit was the homage to Alien--all those gaping mouths, hissing, and darting tongues. Personally, I don't need the anime-type close-up of a kiss.

I too found the baby scene quite disturbing--but I appluad the story tellers for that scene. It was effective while at the same time introducing an element of internal conflict for the bad guy.

Over all this episode stood on its own...and well, I think it left in the dust the original that spawned it. (Sorry Dave, but I think you should take a look.)

Best,
Jerry

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:45:19 am »

Wel, from the tone of the responses so far I can see that the level of requirements for good storytelling have gone WAY downhill for most people. Must be all of that fine "reality TV". I've seen better drama at a pizza joint. I guess we see why sci fi is a dying art. If what was shown last night was considered good to great then I shudder to think what the new definition of "bad" is.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #71 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:51:04 am »

I took the baby killing as a mercy thing too. Besides, it was one ugly baby.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #73 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:13:34 am »

Hmmm, I'd have thought someone who calls himself "starwolf" would have a sense of humor. Okey-dokey.

Blyre · « **Reply #76 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:04:51 am »

I was talking about specific precautions such as firewalls, rotating security passcodes, things that would be more than obvious to the Colonials yet there was no evidence of this in the episode. Yes, Baltar and Number 6 made references to unencumbered access to the Defense Mainframe, but unless the Colonial military was incredibly incompetent, the breaches in security would have been found and compensated for.

Your post seems a little testy there, Al, is everything okay? Remember this isn't Hot and Spicy, but Cool and Refreshing.

Wallace

Sten · « **Reply #78 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:15:14 am »

How long did Kevin Mitnik run around the Ubnited States with the access he gained.

Captain Quirk simply called up the access codes to the Reliant when he disabled Khan's controls.

How much money did it cost to correct the blaster and slammer viruses damage?

So the Cylons gained complete access to the database $_it happens sometimes.

Only thing I didn't really like character wise last night was the starbuck character. It just didn't work for me. Other than that I enjoyed the 2 hours I spent watching the show. Not bad for a Monday night.

Kortez · « **Reply #79 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:22:34 am »

I am not sure what to make of BSG yet. I found it kind of slow moving; that is what sticks out most in my mind, other than two things: I didn't like Baltar and Captain Apollo was not the heroic doer he was in the TV series.

I tend to be super critical, however. I taped it, watched it again, and liked it better the second time, and will tape and watch the second episode twice more.

Why did they make it? Is there even a chance to turn it into a series.

Oh, I did not like Starbuck, but I hope she will turn into more of a star tonight.

Cheers!

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #82 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:09:18 pm »

Okay, nevermind...

Toasty0 · « **Reply #83 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:14:24 pm »

Boys, let's bahave ourselves.

TalonClaw · « **Reply #84 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:48:05 pm »

I thought the show was great sci-fi. Those who are so closed minded owe it to themselves to at least take a look at the pilot and then judge it. I see it as a new show retelling an old story. It's better than the original despite it's few downsides.

The sex scene was a bit much for a prime time show but I think it was showing how Baltar falls from grace. He's weak like most men when it comes to a sexy woman. She's obviously cultivating him for later otherwise she would have had what she needed and killed him or just let him die on the planet. His getting on SHARON's ship was arranged. I think we will see him get pretty evil later on if the show takes off as a series.

The reason the people developed technology despite the ban on it long ago was many felt the ban was outdated and hindering progress. Many problems needed to be solved and could be done through technology. The Cylons hadn't been around for 40 years. You know how corporations and governments work. If there is no threat then they can not justify something that is either costly or a hindrance to progress. In the name of progress and money we need to move on. That's what we were seeing in Baltar's TV interview.

Baltar completes a navigational program with 6's help. It's the CNP that the Cylons use to shut down the Vipers, Battlestars, and defenses. It's installed in the entire fleet's ships. Since there are probably not many who understand the artificial intelligence of his programming no one probably ever questioned it. This is what the Cylons use to shut down all the fleet. Galactica did not use this new navigational software. It's systems were still antiquated. Adama apparently remembered the threat technology could be and refused to ever let his ship be updated. Probably the main reason it was being retired. 6 was also allowed by Baltar to poke around the defense mainframe thus learning all the fleet defenses, deployments, orders etc.

I'll definitely be watching again tonight. There are already rumors that the execs have given a go for a series.

762 · « **Reply #85 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:59:53 pm »

BTW if anybody saw a sex scene I'd like to know when. Unless Blondie was wearing crotchless undies I don't see how it could have happened.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #86 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:04:02 pm »

You just move the little strip of fabric... err, I've already been warned to behave

dangadget · « **Reply #88 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:21:22 pm »

was i the only viewer who heard warning bells going off as the new "reimagining" of the Cylon menace started to unfold?

ahem...Earthsiege? Starsiege anyone?

if you had read the rather extensive backstory that Dynamix studios tried to create for those games, you'd see rather significant similarities.

machines that were originally used to help mankind but then rebelled, attempting to destroy their creators.

a long running war between man and machines.

fear of technology and the intentional "dumbing down" of certain technologies.

pilotless enemy craft.

hmmm......i'm going to dig out my Starsiege reference stuff again, but i assure those of you not familiar with it that the storylines are eerily similar.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #91 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:29:04 pm »

Aliens wear panties?

The_Joker · « **Reply #92 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:38:07 pm »

Yes, sexy leather ones, apparently.

Actually, you gotta remember, that while aliens to us, these people are still humans, and Six is modeled after a human, so I'd say that she probably wears panties.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #95 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:53:03 pm »

It'll be funny if the only BSG thread that doesn't get locked or moved is the one that degenerates into how to get around a pair of panties.

msnevil · « **Reply #98 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:16:35 pm »

You see... You use your teeth and....

Blyre · « **Reply #99 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:18:39 pm »

I just finished watching the second episode of BSG and in short, I am definitely developing a liking for this series. I'd give a more detailed critique of it, but I don't want to spoil it for those who may not yet have viewed it.

Wallace

Aldaron · « **Reply #100 on:** December 10, 2003, 07:20:45 am »

For any that have missed or will miss the episodes they are replaying all of them Sunday.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #101 on:** December 10, 2003, 11:30:32 am »

Actually to me it's starting to feel more like the Traveller universe. (RPG Sci-Fi game by GDW)

I didn't think anyone else even remembered Traveller. Used to have the COMPLETE set including the Striker miniature rules set. Then my wonderful Aunt threw them all out. Half the book were in mint condition too. I even had the Azanti (SP) Lightening module.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #102 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:11:37 pm »

Traveller was republished a few years ago.

Sirgod · « **Reply #103 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:38:48 pm »

Man I still have a Few traveller books lying around here. I might have to get back into It.

I just looked at me Bookshelf , and Saw Kafer Dawn. heh memories.

Stephen

762 · « **Reply #105 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:04:30 pm »

Pffft!

I know the answer..."Simulated TV Sex"!

762 · « **Reply #106 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:07:15 pm »

Dude, THIS is what she was wearing:

Now I have just one question: hole or no hole???

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #112 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:31:19 pm »

Thank you for your honesty, Antman...

Baker · « **Reply #114 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:16:26 pm »

I've been looking for ages trying to find out if and when its going to be shown here in Australia, however I've had little success, can anyone help me out a bit please, otherwise I guess I'll just have to miss out on this show.

SBOTaylor · « **Reply #115 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:16:37 am »

Well, If anyone was watching, when blondie and balter were making out I believe the underwear was the second thing to go, so the issue about how to get around the underwear was a mute subject. Otherwise other than trying to hard to make them more earthlike in language and clothing I felt the story was well told.

RockoWillis · « **Reply #118 on:** December 14, 2003, 06:20:04 pm »

I would love to see the Galactica go up against a Borg Cube!!! Hey lets make a mod of the Galactica and throw it into the game like the Scimitar!

Rocko

762 · « **Reply #122 on:** December 15, 2003, 12:27:50 pm »

Hmm, I thought I only saw the bra come off.

Maybe the glowing spine was distracting me! Yesh, that's it!!

NJAntman · « **Reply #124 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:06:17 am »

Hopefully without kicking over an anthill, your thoughts on BSG?

I liked it. Has a nice feel; other than "spin up the FTL drives" it seems believable. Like the live action view-point and quietness of space shots ala B5.

Just wish I'd remembered to set the capture card to get the whole eposide.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #125 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:42:06 am »

Your kidding, right? I tried to watch last night without letting any critics cloud my judgement (critics and myself don't hardly ever agree) but what was on last night was pure drivel. Looked to me like every human on the show was on a steady diet of viagra and thorizine. Heck, the first 30 min was devoted to "who's banging who" and to "how strange we are". I could go on but this isn't the Hot and Spicy forum and I don't want to get into trouble.

Blyre · « **Reply #126 on:** December 09, 2003, 07:27:39 am »

I watched the first episode last night and overall I like it, but a few things stuck out in my mind:

1) The ton and a half of references to the original series bothered me because if this was supposed to be a "reimagining" why bother referencing the original at all? In my opinion, it cluttered things up with irrelevent information.

2) There were too many of those far and away moving shots of the fighters. To me, it did more to overemphasize that these were simply models than "actual" fighters moving through Space. I think they could have been selective with their use.

3) The Baby Scene. That did nothing to advance the plot or advance the idea that Number 6 was evil. I had to turn away from the screen for a few seconds.

4) The Uniforms. The uniforms, while very stylish, kept reminding me a little too much of Babylon 5.

5) The premise of being Low-Tech. The Cylons of this fictional universe were well known to be capable of infiltrating advanced electronic systems. Why didn't the lessons of their Cylon War carry over into the post war world?

Like I said above, I did like the new BSG, but I think they were trying to have it both ways. They wanted to be "original" yet wanted to rope in the fans of the original series but in the process came up quite a bit short.

So far, I give the new BSG a C+, which is subject to change.

Wallace

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #127 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:10:52 am »

I caught it, thanks to Dave Ferrel and others bringing it to my attention with the boycott attempt (ditto the Reagan movie)

It was entertaining, I guess. The whole "who's banging whom" thing was kinda dopey, but the spaceships were cool and the cylon chick was hot. I'll probably pass on the rest of the series.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #128 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:11:45 am »

I thought it was a fantastic show. I enjoyed it completely.

I understand that there are purists, waxing poetic about the old show. I understand they won't like this. But I am not one of them and so --unhindered by bias --I was able to enjoy myself.

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

I didn't mind the references to the old show, in fact, for me it sort of added to it and made me smile when I saw thing like a drawing of the old Cylon Centurion.

I was very skeptical about the "reality show" style in the special effects when I heard about it, but once I saw them I was really impressed. It worked, and although it didn't look as 'real' as the producers were trying to say, nonetheless I still thought it was good. The battle music was very well done.

The acting was pretty good, and in particular that of Adama. I did not care for Apollo, that performance was pretty flat. And the new Starbuck tries too hard. I thought that the new President's performance was superb and utterly believable.

(Side note: I loved when the PR guy gets Apollo up to meet her, hoping he will usurp her authority. Then Apollo watches her barking orders and getting the job done and just tells the guy "Looks like the lady is in charge...")

It was well written, well paced and for the most part well acted.

And now, I must blaspheme: It was a better show than the original, in nearly every way. Period. (Personally, I liked the original Apollo actor better than the new one, but that's about the only thing I can think of that I liked better from the original show).

Man, I hope this becomes a new series.

Oh, and as a Kzinti at heart, I love the excellent use of drones in the show!

My humble US$0.02,
Scott

Blyre · « **Reply #129 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:17:57 am »

Those weren't drones, Scott. They were missiles

Wallace

Toasty0 · « **Reply #131 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:33:06 am »

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with the late night broadcast my resolve weakened.

Overall I liked it. For a pilot espisode it was well done. Some fine performances by some talented actors. Great production values.

My only major nit was the homage to Alien--all those gaping mouths, hissing, and darting tongues. Personally, I don't need the anime-type close-up of a kiss.

I too found the baby scene quite disturbing--but I appluad the story tellers for that scene. It was effective while at the same time introducing an element of internal conflict for the bad guy.

Over all this episode stood on its own...and well, I think it left in the dust the original that spawned it. (Sorry Dave, but I think you should take a look.)

Best,
Jerry

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #132 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:45:19 am »

Wel, from the tone of the responses so far I can see that the level of requirements for good storytelling have gone WAY downhill for most people. Must be all of that fine "reality TV". I've seen better drama at a pizza joint. I guess we see why sci fi is a dying art. If what was shown last night was considered good to great then I shudder to think what the new definition of "bad" is.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #133 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:51:04 am »

I took the baby killing as a mercy thing too. Besides, it was one ugly baby.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #135 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:13:34 am »

Hmmm, I'd have thought someone who calls himself "starwolf" would have a sense of humor. Okey-dokey.

Blyre · « **Reply #138 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:04:51 am »

I was talking about specific precautions such as firewalls, rotating security passcodes, things that would be more than obvious to the Colonials yet there was no evidence of this in the episode. Yes, Baltar and Number 6 made references to unencumbered access to the Defense Mainframe, but unless the Colonial military was incredibly incompetent, the breaches in security would have been found and compensated for.

Your post seems a little testy there, Al, is everything okay? Remember this isn't Hot and Spicy, but Cool and Refreshing.

Wallace

Sten · « **Reply #140 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:15:14 am »

How long did Kevin Mitnik run around the Ubnited States with the access he gained.

Captain Quirk simply called up the access codes to the Reliant when he disabled Khan's controls.

How much money did it cost to correct the blaster and slammer viruses damage?

So the Cylons gained complete access to the database $_it happens sometimes.

Only thing I didn't really like character wise last night was the starbuck character. It just didn't work for me. Other than that I enjoyed the 2 hours I spent watching the show. Not bad for a Monday night.

Kortez · « **Reply #141 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:22:34 am »

I am not sure what to make of BSG yet. I found it kind of slow moving; that is what sticks out most in my mind, other than two things: I didn't like Baltar and Captain Apollo was not the heroic doer he was in the TV series.

I tend to be super critical, however. I taped it, watched it again, and liked it better the second time, and will tape and watch the second episode twice more.

Why did they make it? Is there even a chance to turn it into a series.

Oh, I did not like Starbuck, but I hope she will turn into more of a star tonight.

Cheers!

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #144 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:09:18 pm »

Okay, nevermind...

Toasty0 · « **Reply #145 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:14:24 pm »

Boys, let's bahave ourselves.

TalonClaw · « **Reply #146 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:48:05 pm »

I thought the show was great sci-fi. Those who are so closed minded owe it to themselves to at least take a look at the pilot and then judge it. I see it as a new show retelling an old story. It's better than the original despite it's few downsides.

The sex scene was a bit much for a prime time show but I think it was showing how Baltar falls from grace. He's weak like most men when it comes to a sexy woman. She's obviously cultivating him for later otherwise she would have had what she needed and killed him or just let him die on the planet. His getting on SHARON's ship was arranged. I think we will see him get pretty evil later on if the show takes off as a series.

The reason the people developed technology despite the ban on it long ago was many felt the ban was outdated and hindering progress. Many problems needed to be solved and could be done through technology. The Cylons hadn't been around for 40 years. You know how corporations and governments work. If there is no threat then they can not justify something that is either costly or a hindrance to progress. In the name of progress and money we need to move on. That's what we were seeing in Baltar's TV interview.

Baltar completes a navigational program with 6's help. It's the CNP that the Cylons use to shut down the Vipers, Battlestars, and defenses. It's installed in the entire fleet's ships. Since there are probably not many who understand the artificial intelligence of his programming no one probably ever questioned it. This is what the Cylons use to shut down all the fleet. Galactica did not use this new navigational software. It's systems were still antiquated. Adama apparently remembered the threat technology could be and refused to ever let his ship be updated. Probably the main reason it was being retired. 6 was also allowed by Baltar to poke around the defense mainframe thus learning all the fleet defenses, deployments, orders etc.

I'll definitely be watching again tonight. There are already rumors that the execs have given a go for a series.

762 · « **Reply #147 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:59:53 pm »

BTW if anybody saw a sex scene I'd like to know when. Unless Blondie was wearing crotchless undies I don't see how it could have happened.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #148 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:04:02 pm »

You just move the little strip of fabric... err, I've already been warned to behave

dangadget · « **Reply #150 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:21:22 pm »

was i the only viewer who heard warning bells going off as the new "reimagining" of the Cylon menace started to unfold?

ahem...Earthsiege? Starsiege anyone?

if you had read the rather extensive backstory that Dynamix studios tried to create for those games, you'd see rather significant similarities.

machines that were originally used to help mankind but then rebelled, attempting to destroy their creators.

a long running war between man and machines.

fear of technology and the intentional "dumbing down" of certain technologies.

pilotless enemy craft.

hmmm......i'm going to dig out my Starsiege reference stuff again, but i assure those of you not familiar with it that the storylines are eerily similar.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #153 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:29:04 pm »

Aliens wear panties?

The_Joker · « **Reply #154 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:38:07 pm »

Yes, sexy leather ones, apparently.

Actually, you gotta remember, that while aliens to us, these people are still humans, and Six is modeled after a human, so I'd say that she probably wears panties.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #157 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:53:03 pm »

It'll be funny if the only BSG thread that doesn't get locked or moved is the one that degenerates into how to get around a pair of panties.

msnevil · « **Reply #160 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:16:35 pm »

You see... You use your teeth and....

Blyre · « **Reply #161 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:18:39 pm »

I just finished watching the second episode of BSG and in short, I am definitely developing a liking for this series. I'd give a more detailed critique of it, but I don't want to spoil it for those who may not yet have viewed it.

Wallace

Aldaron · « **Reply #162 on:** December 10, 2003, 07:20:45 am »

For any that have missed or will miss the episodes they are replaying all of them Sunday.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #163 on:** December 10, 2003, 11:30:32 am »

Actually to me it's starting to feel more like the Traveller universe. (RPG Sci-Fi game by GDW)

I didn't think anyone else even remembered Traveller. Used to have the COMPLETE set including the Striker miniature rules set. Then my wonderful Aunt threw them all out. Half the book were in mint condition too. I even had the Azanti (SP) Lightening module.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #164 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:11:37 pm »

Traveller was republished a few years ago.

Sirgod · « **Reply #165 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:38:48 pm »

Man I still have a Few traveller books lying around here. I might have to get back into It.

I just looked at me Bookshelf , and Saw Kafer Dawn. heh memories.

Stephen

762 · « **Reply #167 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:04:30 pm »

Pffft!

I know the answer..."Simulated TV Sex"!

762 · « **Reply #168 on:** December 10, 2003, 03:07:15 pm »

Dude, THIS is what she was wearing:

Now I have just one question: hole or no hole???

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #174 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:31:19 pm »

Thank you for your honesty, Antman...

Baker · « **Reply #176 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:16:26 pm »

I've been looking for ages trying to find out if and when its going to be shown here in Australia, however I've had little success, can anyone help me out a bit please, otherwise I guess I'll just have to miss out on this show.

SBOTaylor · « **Reply #177 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:16:37 am »

Well, If anyone was watching, when blondie and balter were making out I believe the underwear was the second thing to go, so the issue about how to get around the underwear was a mute subject. Otherwise other than trying to hard to make them more earthlike in language and clothing I felt the story was well told.

RockoWillis · « **Reply #180 on:** December 14, 2003, 06:20:04 pm »

I would love to see the Galactica go up against a Borg Cube!!! Hey lets make a mod of the Galactica and throw it into the game like the Scimitar!

Rocko

762 · « **Reply #184 on:** December 15, 2003, 12:27:50 pm »

Hmm, I thought I only saw the bra come off.

Maybe the glowing spine was distracting me! Yesh, that's it!!

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