Topic: Day of the Eagle: The Return of Herr Burt (Read 21031 times)

Herr Burt · « **on:** January 19, 2003, 03:13:22 pm »

Just a bit of a heads up (way in advance) for those who might be interested.

I've begun work on a new D2 server, entitled Day of the Eagle. This server would run for about two weeks, and would cover the time-frame of 2273 through 2277, inclusive. This would be the "surprise" invasion of the Federation by the Romulans during the General War, and the subsequent Gorn counter-invasion. It stops just short of the introduction of the PF

*Playable races would be the Romulans, Federation (Eastern Half only), and Gorn.
*Gorn and Romulans would have access to carriers and fighters. (Yes, this works)
*I hope to have Romulan bombers installed on the Gorn/Romulan front, but this is not definite
*The concept would be a two-on-one three-way server. Each race would have its own victory conditions. It would be theoretically possibe (but damned unlikely) that all three races could score some level of victory.
*Tholians should be present as a nonplayer race.
*I intend to add drogues. (If you don't know what they are, they will be a neat surprise.)

Hopefully, several people will be willing to show up and participate in "the more interesting" front of the General War.

There is no timetable yet; my efforts are still early. Watch this space.

-Herr Burt
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Happy Warmongering!

Corbomite · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2003, 03:33:39 pm »

So does that mean you are going to have Robin Trower looping in the back ground instead of the stock music?

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2003, 04:11:25 pm »

Quote:

There is no timetable yet; my efforts are still early. Watch this space.

You tease you! :P

Sounds like some good stuff there, assuming you can get enough Rommies to keep the Feds from opening their Romulan McDonnald's branch office before the end of the campaign.

[sharp provoking barb]

On the other hand, by dis-allowing the use of the Federation Western Fleet and allowing the Romulans our superior carriers, they'll likey be crying for help from their cold-blooded breathren before the end of the first day.

[/sharp provoking barb]

(Gorn rescuing the Federation from the Romulans... How poetic

)

Cleaven · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2003, 04:15:46 pm »

I'm not entirely sure what will happen with Romulan fighters in SFC. I just hope it's painful for the Federation.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2003, 11:02:33 pm »

That bit about having the Tholians but not letting them be a player race was a tease just for me wasn't it you Bastich!!!!

I want my dizzies!!!!!! And you know how much i loved the Tholians in SFB!!!!

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2003, 11:08:23 am »

Oooooh.....this sounds VERY cool. I'm not even sure which team i'd pick.

After flying enough on the SFC3 Triangle X server to earn over 400K as a Borg and about 250K as a Romulan over the past week and a half, I'm ready for SFC2 again. SFC3 can be fun...but to me, it lacks even a modicum of strategic campaign depth. I enjoy SFC2-style comabt much more than that of SFC3, as well.

Sartonius · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2003, 07:14:54 pm »

McRom'alds?

I should think not. Not if I have anything to say about it ;P

Heheheheh

CubCarson · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:35:53 am »

Fire it up!

Mog · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2003, 05:14:28 am »

Btw, Herr Burt, you can put me down as a Romulan for this scenario. As much as I like playing Gorn, (and was tempted to make this my Fed server), the underdogs will need many players. I'm hoping the bulk of the Klingon players will choose Rom for this, then we'll have a very interesting setup. Thanks to you and your co-admin for setting this up

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:16:51 am »

Yeah...I'd be leaning towards Rom, too. I'm an underdog kind of guy and I would be surprised if the size of the other two teams didn't flat out dwarf the Romulan contingent.

I like flying Rommie, too. I'm not all that good to start with, but I'm certainly worse at flying romulan than I am Klingon...so it will be a challenge, to be sure. I've flown a lot of Romulan in various campaigns, I just don't have a lot of PvP experience in Rom ships.

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:08:27 am »

That must be why I like the KDR/KDP and KCR and KRCS so much....hehhe....

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:23:30 am »

Herr Burt,

2 questions:

1). Are you planning on using ADB or Taldren as the source for your ships and fighters?
2.) When you get close, would you consider a preliminary release of your shiplist/fighterlist? We Rommies could sure use some practice with fighters (esp if their SFB speed, plasma based fighters), and I?m sure the opposing team would like some Sim time as well.

Agave · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2003, 01:22:02 pm »

Fighters with Plasma F's might be a little OTT unless the are slow say speed 20. I think Pharoah proposed some ISC plasma based fighters for one of the shiplists which had F-Torps but were slow as a balancing act.

To prevent this from turning into a complete hex-munching fest, I suggest a french-vannilla ship list with nothing more exoctic than a command crusier (Make the BCHs available when/if the year is right). No carriers, bombardment ships, or any other cheese. But I know that is just a pipedream

Hey Diehard (with a Vengenance), I doubt that there is going to be too much cheese since he did state that the timeline would be for the years 2273 to 2277. The BCH's don't come out until much later. Plus which, knowing Herr Burt like I do, he will surely keep the ships vanilla-ish since that is the style of campaign he typically likes. The fighters for the Gorn and Romulan's will problably be based on SFB specs, so PF shouldn't even come into play. Then again, I could be wrong.

Hey, why don't you come and try the Gorn this time. We'll be coming to save your Federation butts from the Nassty, trickssy, evil Romulans. There's nothing like flying into combat with the biggest, baddest, squarest flying brick that the SFC universe has ever seen. Takes a licken, and keeps on ticken.

New Gorn motto: We'll bring the the WHOOPIN, you bring the ASS.

Oh, don't forget the song of choice when charging into battle:

http://www.boomspeed.com/agave/Spam.wav

Enjoy, one and all,

Agave

Mog · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:27:34 pm »

Iaidoka, I hear (read) what you're saying. But, would you really want to go back to zero restrictions? Players with 3 CVAs? Or 3 D5Ds or 3 AD5s, or 3 NEC/NAC/NCD+, 3 PFTs, 3 KDPs, even 3 BBs ? etc.

I'm not trying to be more restrictive. I'm trying to be less restrictive. 1 ship per player - you can fly carrier, droner, escort, whatever (hopefully with the AOTK DN rule, relaxed so that it's voluntary! ). I know you promote massed fleets for base assaults. Teamwork can achieve the same thing.

FatherTed · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:48:55 pm »

Don't misunderstand me, I am not a fan of Fed drone boats. Actually, I dislike pure drone boats period. I was simply pointing out that if you restrict one side's cheese, you should restrict everybody's. That being said, I'm thinking of bringing back Father Bruce for this server. What do I need besides beer, a few chocodiles, and a bottle of Tequila? I am a man of the cloth, so I will not wear a tutu.

Remiak · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2003, 03:58:57 pm »

And it is only the eastern portion of the federation.
I interpret this as the Federation fleet assigned to the Fed/Rom border plus any reinforcment from the reserve fleet would be part of the order of battle.
So it would be possible that some units from the Federation shipyard are not available as they are assigned in other conflict in another theater taking place in the portion of their territory out of the campaign map.
On the other hand, the Gorns and Roms would be in this conflict with all they can muster.

And for the MacArthur being a critcal unit in the offensive against the Roms, it was. I do not remember by heart but I think it was a little later than the proposed time frame of this campaign. The day of the eagle was the openning of the war and the CVA MacArthur's crash into the Rom Homeworld marked its end. I do not know when that CVA started to be active there.

Lots of comments...it is good to see that people are interesrted by the idea of the campaign.

KATChuutRitt · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2003, 11:03:48 pm »

I'm in agreement with the 1 player 1 ship and vanilla shiplist group. A setup like that would promote more p vs p IMHO, esp with dreadnaught limitations. I know there are some that enjoy the multi-ship fleets, but they have had their turn on most of the recent servers (if not all) so give the rest of us ours. Some might like the carrier battle group bit and they are entitled to their preferences, but give me my equivalent of a simple ship of the line ala HMS Victory anyday, ships of wood and men of steel baby!!!

Mog · « **Reply #30 on:** January 23, 2003, 08:41:49 am »

Essentially, that's how Taldren's fighters are, so it wouldn't be that different. Although, you could guarantee that SFB deployment restrictions on the fighters would be generally ignored - e.g. : 1 in 3 Hydran fighters could be hellbore variants - in SFC every Hydran fighter is a hellbore variant.

I assume that we are not talking of having full sized drones on fighters? But using the Taldren fighter missiles? I actually have a SFB fighterlist.txt file, using Taldren fighter weapons.

Btw, I always wanted to fly the "Imperial Standard"

Oh, and Die Hard, if you fly Rom on this, I'll look forward to winging with you

FatherTed · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2003, 11:32:29 am »

Dog, I didn't mean to raise your hackles. All Klinks, but especially those who fly D5C's or even rarer, D7's are worthy of respect. That being said, most of us Feds prefer our photons. AOTC(Attack of the Cheese) was the exception, not the rule(I'd never flown seriously a drone chucker before, and I only fooled around with an SCS at the end of IDSL). Given my drothers, Day of the Eagle would be closer to Die Hard's vanilla shiplist than the customized stuff we saw. No bombardment ships, no carriers, just individual, standard ships of the line. This may be heresy, but why not try a server that cuts the cheese?

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:00:37 pm »

DieHard....

To a degree, you're right...previously, I think Feds, Klingons and Mirak HAD flown droners for mission speed purposes (even then, for differing internal reasons), however...with the advent of some of the ED missions, the continued use of drone bombardment ships (incredibly boring though it is) is due in large part, I think, to neccessity. This is what I am meaning to say.

I don't fly them anymore and I never HAVE flown them much except during SFC2.NET 6.0, where I changed ships quite often, but used the D5D rather extensively. As I said, I'd love it if my bretheren would go the same route, but many choose not to. Who can blame them? Anyone else of any other race who can get their hands on one uses them.

I wonder what would happen if (with all due respect to my honorable Mirak friends) if all drone bombrdment ships were removed from the game and the Mirak were either given some new dog-fighters to compensate or they were removed as a playable race altogether (just once). I wonder what new "imbalances" or cries of "cheese!" would arise? If anyone thinks there wouldn't be any, then I have some beachfront property in Nogales, AZ to sell you.

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:00:45 pm »

Damn guys.

Herr Burt ( & Co.), you have my apologies. If I'd known that the mention of SFB fighters would lead to all this noise over drone cheese, fighter cheese, PF cheese, ... I'd have left well enough alone. It was supposed to be a simple question.

Sorry.

FatherTed · « **Reply #43 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:36:23 pm »

No offense taken.Your experience outweighs mine, I'm simply stating the observations I've made since I started playing online. I'd be happy to try a vanilla shiplist. And with all due respect, the Klingons who fly stock ships are deadly in an equal PvP.

Kroma_BaSyl · « **Reply #44 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:41:38 pm »

Stop that FatherTed, it was just starting to warmup in here. God knows I could use a little heat up here in Chicago today.

Karnak, thanks for improving the PF's. I hate it when they waste all four plasma at once.

Laflin · « **Reply #45 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:47:54 pm »

Lay off the drone chuckers, Doggy. Personally I am looking forward to all of those PFs in my CAD+/NCD+ :P

Laflin · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:12:27 pm »

Come on up here, Ted. The regular temp has been single digit +/- depending upon the days and the wind chill has been anywhere from -10 to -20 for the last week or two now...

Kroma_BaSyl · « **Reply #50 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:26:11 pm »

It was minus 6 when I got in the car this morning. Had to actually wear panties under my tutu. I'm sure we can find something for you in a low cut casic (sp?) though.

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2003, 04:31:24 pm »

Yikes, DieHard...

73 degrees and sunny here...winds at about 2 mph. Damn, I love Phoenix in the winter.

Mog · « **Reply #55 on:** January 23, 2003, 05:06:38 pm »

The Mirak line ships, in the main, are fine against traditional allies. They lack the power to operate effectively against non-traditional plasma opponents. I actually liked the Z-BCH+. I thought it a more competitive ship, certainly not uber, but brought up to a par with the other BCHs. The MCC needs the 4 disruptors splitting up and given FAL/FAR arcs. No other changes are needed to make that a ship very comparable to my beloved D5L.

Cleaven · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2003, 09:50:24 pm »

Hmmmm, Remiak I don't really care how many PF's they put on a Romulan heavy, because as long as the PF's come out with a quick load, then Feds will complain. One thing I would like to see is the Condor SCS. This is supposed to be really mean and about the only reason to fly a Romulan DN I would think. Of course it would get removed too quick as well. But it would be fun to see it as an advanced mod to the shiplist. Of course a basic shiplist (where the only PF change is a UI) needs to be done first.

Herr Burt · « **Reply #63 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:20:38 am »

<Reads sudden influx of posts>

<faints>

A few more bits of info:

*Yes, I'm going for SFB-style fighters. Not to worry. Those Rom and Gorn fighters are cool, but not as cool as you might first think they are.
* Remember, this is the Gorn, the Romulan, and the Eastern Federation fleets at war. The Federation was already fully engaged on the Klingon
front and was caught rather flat-footed when the Romulans launched their "surprise" invasion. I don't think drone-cheese is going to be a problem.
* The return of Father Bruce, eh? Hmmmm....... gotta dig up some old photos.

Happy Warmongering!

-Herr Burt
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Those who do not remember history are doomed never to be able to repeat it.

LongTooth · « **Reply #64 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:24:51 am »

Yep utter cheese with a drone control of 6

The DF is The droner granted the DD is the best ship to fly for a kzin till late imho (and in early is got to be close to the best DD in the game)
Klingons dont get a good ship(not counting escorts) till the D5 class ships come out imho

LongTooth · « **Reply #65 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:28:41 am »

Cant have a dyna with out a drone flame war

even if there are no drones in it

(not counting feds as they are still in)

LongTooth · « **Reply #66 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:57:43 am »

Its funny how many people seem to forget that the kzin main heavy weapon is drones
As far as I rember feds and klingons both get amd and G racks before kzin ships get them
Most people think that 6 (or in some case's more)drone racks is pure cheese(ok I tend to agree here)4 racks are droners
and 2 racks are a fair chlange

Might be why there is a decline in both klingon and kzin players

Well enough of all this Ill play as gorn (or rom if numbers are low)

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #71 on:** January 24, 2003, 05:16:50 pm »

Yes, DieHard...it is close, but the stock MCC has all disruptors on one hardpoint and I think FA firing arcs. During AOTK, the ship was modified, if I recall correctly, to break up the dizzy hard point and expand the disruptor arcs. I felt that was all fine and dandy except that the ship (and another one not too far different from it) retained all of its drone racks AND came out a few years before the D5L. As a result, it became something BETTER than a D5L with these edits. I was proposing that if it was going to be like a D5L, it should lose its C-racks. If the racks were to be retained, then the disruptor arcs should have returned to FA...some sort of give and take.

Sometimes when I make my posts, I take it for granted that people are aware of certain things on which I base my opinions. In this case, I assumed everyone was aware of the hardpoint issue as well as the midifications made to this ship for AOTK's shiplist.

That said, even the stock, original Taldren MCC is a decent boat, though I haven't flown on in probably over a year and a half, so my recollection on the ship's actual combat merits is sketchy at best.

FatherTed · « **Reply #74 on:** January 27, 2003, 10:48:01 am »

First off, let me state for the record that we want it done right. So take your time.

Now then, with all of that positive reinforcement, WHEN THE HELL IS IT GOING TO START?!?! The natives are starting to get a little restless for a good server.

Fluf · « **Reply #75 on:** January 27, 2003, 12:13:08 pm »

Doggy, because you didnt like us getting the better arcs on the MCC, we reverted the ship back to stock except for the dizzy split. It still doesnt hold a candle to the D5L. I wanted FAR and FAL arcs on it to give it a little better shot against the FLL and FRR arcs the D5L had, just to make up for the turn mode and shields. And you know drones dont mean a thing in PvP hehe!

Its still a good ship though, and with the split arcs that were done on alot of our heavy and medium cruisers in early during AOTK, it offered our pilots something else to fly for a change.

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #76 on:** January 27, 2003, 12:25:06 pm »

Fluffy...

You may beg to differ, of course, but I think this is an equitable way to go about it. The hardpoint split is warranted and makes a decent ship much better (IMHO). Drones may not mean that much in PvP (in many cases), they do mean something and they are certainly still available to the Mirak player. Take two drone racks off and put thew FAL/RAL arcs on if drones are meaningless in PvP, eh?

You still have the nice 12x drone control (D5L only has 6x) and that's something significant, I think.

I guess I just didn't see the fairness in splitting up the hardpoints, increasing the firing arcs AND retaining all four drone racks. I may be among the minority on that point and I'd accept that, of course.

Refresh my memory...when does the MCC come out?

BTW...I'm totally in favor of seeing you're disruptor hardpoints split up. I think that's a good move that should improve the viability of some already fairly nice ships...and some that just suck without the split.

Kortez · « **Reply #77 on:** January 27, 2003, 02:31:32 pm »

Doggy, I think Fluf is right. The Mirak do not have much equivalent to the D5L or similar. I think we could have used the better arcs without upsetting game balance, only improviing it.

As for the upcoming Herr Burt server i will fly Romulan. Looking forward to learning SFC2 Roms! Some good PvP should be on the way. The server sounds exciiting.

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