Topic: Paramount hath spoken

[Scrag]

Harry,
I grew up watching the series and have enjoyed the follow ons when I can be home to see them.  It appears that the the we are at an "lull" in Star Trek (it took how many years for TNG to start over.  I wanted to say thanks for keeping the great birds dream alive.  My folks sent me VHS copies in the Med when the series started anew.  We all look at gaming in a similar light as the authors look at text.  We would truley enjoy a new game but also the code to the last series of games.  Is there any possibility that Viacom could comment in favor of the fan base to help request the release from quicksilver software, so that we can generate (at a non-profeit level) more mods for this series of games?  (Glad Scotty will get his star BTW)

[EmeraldEdge]

Yeah, thanks a bunch.  I just hope that this new line of Trek games works out.  I personally got tired of all the games seeming like nothing more than a mod of a preexisting game, with Trek skins and voices.   No real reason to buy a game like that unless you are a die hard Trek fan, and even then they came up a little off the Trek mark, certainly not something that's going to drag in the non-Trek guys to the store to pick it up, in my opinion.   Maybe I'm totally wrong, but that's how it seemed to myself as well as a lot of my friends who aren't huge into Trek.

[SkyFlyer]

Thank you for visiting Harry... I know you're probably in bed right now, but in case you come back, I would like to ask:

1) I bought EF (Elite Force --1--) the day it came out... The same with the expansion. When EF2 came out, I didn't have the money, plus I read some not so hot reviews on the multiplayer side. Now, Comp USA is only carrying the mac version (at least the store closest to me... they say they are waiting for new box art... that was over two months ago). Do you know if there will be an Elite Force 3? If so, please say it won't be under the Q3 engine. It is too old... The HL2 engine, however, would be very nice.

2) On to SFC... I am a relative SFC n00b, but I was wondering, are there any plans for a flight trek simulator, either in the current SFC fashion, or perhaps in BC or Freelancer (I know its not a ST game) fashion? Perhaps not bearing the name of SFC, perhaps having a whole new title. If there is one, I'm sure that 90% of the people in here would agree that a mix of SFC3 with the FreeLancer type of play (not so run and gun, but more of the perspective and the ability to move in very large spaces, and jump into battle while its in the middle), would be great.

I know these are some very large questions, and that you probably can't answer them, but thank you.

[EmeraldEdge]

Surely you meant a mix of SFC2 and Freelance, right?    Not meaning to start a flame war here, but a little ribbing here and there never hurt all that many people.  Felt Freelancer was simple enough in it's ship mechanics so more SFC2 depth and feel would make it a better match for Trek in wide open 3d universe, imo (albeit you would have warping ala SFC3 but for goodness sake give us some depth of play with weapons and ship systems)

[Age]

   I just hope they consider Taldren S Korea as a developer and doing a little bit more with TOS and TMP side.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Taldren S Korea as a developer

Somewhere in here someone in the know said Taldren Korea is not going to be here soon.

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      Re: The real reason Taldren Closed it's offices in CA.
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Dash is wrong.

There is no "Taldren Korea".

Taldren CA and Taldren Korea were child companies of Taldren.

When the parent company Taldren fell, the children had to fall as well.

Erik has already stated this as fact and is going to come up with another "company name".

People, can we please get our facts straight before posting speculation?

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[Age]

  Then the successor then.

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

  Then the successor then.

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: TAKE II

Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept this, is to tell us what this means.

 
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http://www.taldren.co.kr/

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WaterTiger
 

[EmeraldEdge]

Heh, according to Atlavista's babelfish....

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That's the Korean to English, gotta love it.  There's a lot of talk of cotton, internal organs, and hoses.   Those crazy Koreans.... what?  Babel doesn't do that good a job translating?  Oh, never mind then.    I'ts a funny read though.   It looks like one of those "Hey, we already got the name you want let us know and you can have it in exchange for a few minor internal organs" sites.   Hey, maybe the internal organs part really does belong there then?   Makes you wonder about the cotton and hoses now, doesn't it?  lol.

[J. Carney]

Emerald...

I can swipe a bale of cotton if the Yankees can come up with the internal organs!

[AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-]

Emerald...

I can swipe a bale of cotton if the Yankees can come up with the internal organs!

OK, more confused than ever ... so Taldren Korea is selling Yankees memorabilia?

Must I install Microsoft's Korean language pack?

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WT

[J. Carney]

Emerald...

I can swipe a bale of cotton if the Yankees can come up with the internal organs!

OK, more confused than ever ... so Taldren Korea is selling Yankees memorabilia?

Must I install Microsoft's Korean language pack?

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WT

Don't look at me, WT... I just thoughthat they wanted some cotton.

[IndyShark]

I'd like to welcome Harry to the boards and just say that I am very pleased that we can see more Star Trek coming in the future. I hope it is like SFC2, but I will certainly look at whatever they make.

[Harry]

Harry,
I grew up watching the series and have enjoyed the follow ons when I can be home to see them.  It appears that the the we are at an "lull" in Star Trek (it took how many years for TNG to start over.  I wanted to say thanks for keeping the great birds dream alive.  My folks sent me VHS copies in the Med when the series started anew.  We all look at gaming in a similar light as the authors look at text.  We would truley enjoy a new game but also the code to the last series of games.  Is there any possibility that Viacom could comment in favor of the fan base to help request the release from quicksilver software, so that we can generate (at a non-profeit level) more mods for this series of games?  (Glad Scotty will get his star BTW)

Sorry, but it's not really my place to comment on the source code release here...


Skyflyer, in answer to 1.) IF we did an EF3, it wouldn't be on the Q3 engine.  and to 2.) lots of ideas have been tossed around, some similar to that, but I don't want to go in to more details right now...all I can say is you'll get more concrete details in the near future....

Thanks for the welcome!

Harry

[SkyFlyer]

whew... no more Q3 engine

So it is being tossed around... thats a start...      

[Crusader]

Harry,

Here is a post by Steven V. Cole from the Amarillo Design Bureau forums:


**********
I get asked all the time: "When will you allow SFB software? What is the hold up?"

Sigh. I've only answered this question about once a week for about 20 years.
I've given the same answer every single time. But someone never heard it.
Or didn't believe it. Or thought there was some big dark secret that boiled
down to I was just being an ??????? and didn't want to release it. Or they
just didn't want to believe that it wasn't going to happen anytime soon.
Anyway, this is the official form letter sent out something over 400 times.

Paramount says NO SOFTWARE EVER PERIOD. Not by us or anyone else.
They won't allow their property to be used, and won't allow us to allow others to
use our property. Hence, no software, period. Not sold, not given away,
not made available, not passed around the internet, nothing.
We can do the SFBOL thing as it is server based and not machine resident.

This situation remains this way until Paramount decides otherwise.
Nothing anyone outside of ADB Inc. can do will change what Paramount says or thinks or does or doesn't do.
We continue working through diplomatic channels to convince them
that such software would be beneficial, harmless, and great. But they
do not agree, will not agree, have not agreed. It is possible that they
will NEVER agree, but we will never stop trying. If anything changes,
we will announce the change and do a Request For Proposals for
the official software. We will never allow independent developers to
release such software except through ADB Inc. because Paramount
will insist on this as a condition of their approval, if they ever give it.
When the time comes, there will be one and only one such program
authorized, and we literally have two hundred different ones on file.

So, basically, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, but if it someday
does happen, I wouldn't be surprised. Until then, Nobody can release
or publish or give away SFB software without a whole world of lawyers
landing on your head, so I would say to just put it away and forget it
and if it happens you can wait for the RFP and send it to us then.

The only thing you CAN do is use if in your own personal gaming,
in games where you are physically present as a GM or player.

I am considerably more frustrated than you are, and having to repeat
the same answer every week to somebody else who doesn't know,
doesn't believe it, doesn't want it to be the way it is, just makes me
even more frustrated. This isn't my fault, and I cannot change it.

--Steve Cole

*****************

Harry?  Can anything EVER be done to let Star Fleet Battles and Federation and Empire become computer based?  Perhaps let Amarillo Design Bureau have a role in more future Trek computer games?

Since TOS is unlikely to be the prime mover in future Trek gaming.  Why should Paramount remain averse to giving ADB some latitude in this area?  Wouldn't it be in Paramount's interest to work with ADB to further develop games for TOS era?

The "NO SOFTWARE EVER PERIOD. Not by us or anyone else." policy seems to have been relaxed with the SFC series to Paramount's benefit.  Why not keep the "gravy train" going with more products like SFC in the future?

[KBF-Crim]

Here's your answer...right from Steve's post...


<snip>
We will never allow independent developers to
release such software except through ADB Inc. because Paramount
will insist on this as a condition of their approval, if they ever give it.
<snip>

I dont claim to know what kind of deal was cut the first time,,,but it obviously happend at least once...

So...what Steve said wasnt quite true...was it...

He DID allow SFB material to be distributed by an outside developer in the form of selling license for the material in SFC1..{hell the damn cadet rules and SSD"s come on the CD for christ sake}.....

And the same material was probably used for SFC2 and OP....

Doesnt anyone remember the great SFB modding stink?

When peeps where trying to ADD more SFB stuff like models and stats....

Steve, Erik, and Harry where all involved

I bet Harry cringes every time he's asked about...just like Steve does...

I even have a hunch he's got a reply he can just cut and paste... he's asnwered the question so many times...

[Hyperion]

Harry,

Here is a post by Steven V. Cole from the Amarillo Design Bureau forums:


**********
I get asked all the time: "When will you allow SFB software? What is the hold up?"

Sigh. I've only answered this question about once a week for about 20 years.
I've given the same answer every single time. But someone never heard it.
Or didn't believe it. Or thought there was some big dark secret that boiled
down to I was just being an ••••••• and didn't want to release it. Or they
just didn't want to believe that it wasn't going to happen anytime soon.
Anyway, this is the official form letter sent out something over 400 times.

Paramount says NO SOFTWARE EVER PERIOD. Not by us or anyone else.
They won't allow their property to be used, and won't allow us to allow others to
use our property. Hence, no software, period. Not sold, not given away,
not made available, not passed around the internet, nothing.
We can do the SFBOL thing as it is server based and not machine resident.

This situation remains this way until Paramount decides otherwise.
Nothing anyone outside of ADB Inc. can do will change what Paramount says or thinks or does or doesn't do.
We continue working through diplomatic channels to convince them
that such software would be beneficial, harmless, and great. But they
do not agree, will not agree, have not agreed. It is possible that they
will NEVER agree, but we will never stop trying. If anything changes,
we will announce the change and do a Request For Proposals for
the official software. We will never allow independent developers to
release such software except through ADB Inc. because Paramount
will insist on this as a condition of their approval, if they ever give it.
When the time comes, there will be one and only one such program
authorized, and we literally have two hundred different ones on file.

So, basically, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, but if it someday
does happen, I wouldn't be surprised. Until then, Nobody can release
or publish or give away SFB software without a whole world of lawyers
landing on your head, so I would say to just put it away and forget it
and if it happens you can wait for the RFP and send it to us then.

The only thing you CAN do is use if in your own personal gaming,
in games where you are physically present as a GM or player.

I am considerably more frustrated than you are, and having to repeat
the same answer every week to somebody else who doesn't know,
doesn't believe it, doesn't want it to be the way it is, just makes me
even more frustrated. This isn't my fault, and I cannot change it.

--Steve Cole

*****************

Harry?  Can anything EVER be done to let Star Fleet Battles and Federation and Empire become computer based?  Perhaps let Amarillo Design Bureau have a role in more future Trek computer games?

Since TOS is unlikely to be the prime mover in future Trek gaming.  Why should Paramount remain averse to giving ADB some latitude in this area?  Wouldn't it be in Paramount's interest to work with ADB to further develop games for TOS era?

The "NO SOFTWARE EVER PERIOD. Not by us or anyone else." policy seems to have been relaxed with the SFC series to Paramount's benefit.  Why not keep the "gravy train" going with more products like SFC in the future?

Harry?...whats the deal with this?

 

[Victor1st]

Ya realise if you keep asking Harry questions he'll just not visit.

[Hyperion]

Well if he doesnt visit that rather answers the question in of itself, inquiring minds want to know