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Cannon check
« on: October 10, 2005, 12:34:26 am »
I'd like to know if this conforms (for the most part, anyway) with general ST Cannon.  It's the USS Revere lineage history.

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Revere Service History:

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was constructed during the period of conflict with the Klingon Empire during  the mid 23rd century.  She was named for the USS Paul Revere (APA/LPA-248), a United States  Amphibious Transport Ship, the first of such ships to recieve the Meritorious Unit Commendation.  Also,  early starfleet records indicate a neptune-class patrol cruiser was also named Revere.

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was a destroyer, typically a fast-response or escort frigate.  However, the USS  Revere stands out from the Destroyer pack.  Her mission record includes 10 sucsessful engagements with  Klingon Raptor fleets, several deep-space rescue missions, and first contact with over 20 races, both  within and out of the Milky Way galaxy, according to the mission logs of her master, Flag Admiral Will R.  Barry (A Lt. Commander at the time of her maiden voyage).

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was retired shortly after the incident with the alien probe, and the court  martial of Admiral James T. Kirk.  Most of the remaining crew, including freshly promoted 'Captain'  Barry, would return to serve aboard the USS Revere (NCC-509-A).  An Akula-class refit sharing much of it's  improved technology with the Enterprise-Class Constitution refit.  Equipped with state of the art sensor  technology, the Revere-A's primary mission was of peace in aiding the Klingon Empire after the Praxis  Disaster.  A stark contrast to her former assignment as a frontier cruiser patrolling the boundries of  federation space along the Klingon border.

The irony was not lost on Captain Barry, who found it difficult to trust his former adversaries, even when  a Klingon ambassador joined the crew.  However, through the Revere-A's first five-year mission, and  midways through her second, the captain learned to admire the Klingon's code of honor and loyalty, and  even attended Klingon Ambassador Goh'dek's wedding, his son's birth, and tragically, his funeral.  When  the Andromedans began their invasion of the Milky Way by attacking the Klingon world of E'kio, the  colony world where he was born, and where his family lived. 

Captain Barry disobeyed Starfleet orders to return to federation space in order to rescue the Ambassador  and his family.  Goh'dek's wife and son survived, and the Revere-A managed to defeat several fast  Andromedan attack cruisers.  But the ship was left nearly crippled when an Andromedan mothership  joined the battle.  The mothership was ultimately destroyed, but at the cost of the Ambassador's life and  almost half of the Revere-A's crew.  Captain Barry faced a court-martial when the Revere-A limped back  to federation space, but the Klingon High Council interceded on his behalf.

The Revere-A went on to play a significant role in the war against the Andromedan invaders,  coordinating with Klingon and Hydran forces in key battles.  She also participated in the final battle of  the war, the Battle of Edo, and was destroyed by her master INSIDE the Andromedan Worldship, putting  an end to the war, and an era.

A year after the war, the USS Revere (NX-509-B) was commisioned as a testbed for a possible Revere- Class refit of the venerable Akula-Class, which proved it's mettle a hundred fold during the war.   Unfortunately, the Revere-Class was never mass produced, but the Revere-B's registry was changed to  NCC-509-B, and she was sent off on another five year mission.  Captain Barry had been promoted to  Admiral, however, and was reassigned to Starfleet Command's headquarters in San Francisco.   Commander Maya O'neill, who began her career as the helm officer of the USS Revere (NCC-509) just  prior to the V'Ger incident, took command of the latest starship.  A few of the surviving senior crew  returned as well.

Commander Oneill's first command was cut tragically short.  Three years after her shakedown cruise, the  Revere-B disappeared with all hands, without a trace, in the nebulous region of space known as the  Aries Expanse.

The Revere-class design would live on in the Constellation-Class heavy cruiser, which incorporated many  of the new technologies and design concepts created for the Revere-Class.

That's all I have thus far, I'm working on an addendum that describes the Revere-B's fate and the alien tech she currently carries.

"Di-Luminite Torpedos" and other stuff.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2005, 07:57:07 am »
I think you've told a pretty good story. Only two things stand out, and they are not specifically against canon.... just questionable. You mention Klingon Raptors in the mid 23rd Century (IIRC)... and while they were certainly there in the 22nd Century, I don't know if they would still be using them a hundred years later. Of course, they used the basic D7 hull for two hundred years (thanks B&B  :cuss: ), I suppose it's possible the Raptor could be around for the 23rd Century. Also, was the Klingon Ambassador assigned to the crew? That strilkes me as unusual. Or could it have been maybe a special diplomatic function intended to help foster the new peace accords? Good idea, now that I think about it. Anyway, I think you've done a good job with this. I tend to do the same sort of thing with Klingon ships and crews. It's a nice way of fleshing out characters... giving them, bits of history to explore in depth later on. Well done...



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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2005, 11:40:46 am »
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Also, was the Klingon Ambassador assigned to the crew? That strilkes me as unusual. Or could it have been maybe a special diplomatic function intended to help foster the new peace accords?

The peace accords assignment was what I intended.  Sorry about that.  Sometimes when I'm typing something my mind goes faster than my fingers.

About the Raptors, since the Klingons use Birds of Prey at least a hundred years after they were introduced in ST3, I assumed they would still be using some variants of the old Raptor in the late 23rd Century as well.  Albeit refitted.  But outside of surplus, I'm pretty positive they were long decommisioned by the time TNG takes place.  Natch.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2005, 12:02:19 pm »
Using Raptor's in the 23rd century doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to me.  Warship design didn't change too much on Earth from the late 1500's to the early 1800's.  Toss in the lack of environmental wear, stronger hull materials, and modular systems that can be easily upgraded and a good hull design could easily last a century.
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2005, 12:33:10 pm »
Part 2 of the Revere info.

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ADDENDUM:  Filed by Admiral Kathryn Janeway

-CONFIDENTIAL-

It seems the Revere-B was not destroyed as previously believed, but encountered an unstable anomaly  that deposited the craft in another galaxy known as NGC 1300, approximately 70,000,000 light-years from  the Milky Way.  (The inhabbitants of the NGC 1300 galaxy seem to universally refer to it as "R'e na".)

We have learned that the Revere-B was not only sent through space, but time as well.  Approximately  two-hundred years into the past, to be precise.  Much of the log data we recieved via the Preserver  device was corrupted, and we are still analyzing it.  For now, all we can determine is that sometime, the  Revere-B's crew decided to settle on a backwater M-Class world.  And that for some reason, they did not  deconstruct the Revere-B to build their settlement.

The Revere-B has survived the last 200 years, and has been extensively repaired and refitted with Alien  technology.  Following this is a brief description of her current capabilities.

Type:  Unknown (Advanced sensor technology has been installed, easily on par with the sensors on an  Intrepid-Class.  However the ship also posseses a fierce compliment of weapons.)

Accomodation:  115 at time of her launch from Mckinley Station, with an emergency evacuation capacity  of 3000.  Current crew compliment is unknown.

Propulsion:  Sidewarp Drive (Analysis is continuing)
One split-impulse drive.
Fuel Replenishment- Subspace Syphon   

Performance:  Sidewarp 9 (Normal cruise), Sidewarp 12.5 (Maximum Safe Velocity), Sidewarp 14.9999  (Maximum estimated speed.  Sidewarp 15 is estmated to be the Sidewarp Equivalent of Warp 10.)

Weaponry:  Eight type 8 phaser arrays. (12 ports on saucer, 2 facing aft on tactical hull.)
4 torpedo launchers (2 facing forward on the Tactical hull, 2 facing aft between the impulse engines)(It  should be known that the torpedo launchers have been fitted for weapons called "Di-Luminite" Fusor  Torpedos.  Alleged to be extremely potent, this "Luminite" seems to have properties simillar to  Dilithium.)
2 small full spectrum navigational deflector/sensor arrays on the forward tactical hull.

Defenses:  Adaptive/Regenerative shields, secondary combat HIF.

Auxiliary Vessels:  four small craft of varying functions in two Shuttlebays on the saucer.
One larger multipurpose craft in a launch bay on aft of tactical hull.

Following is known information on the current crew. 

<<Access terminated>>
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I know...it's a little out there.  Just trying to picture a heavily upgraded Akula (Or Revere-Class refit). 

I got Sidewarp from the book Star Trek Federation.  In the epilogue I believe.
Type 8 Phasers are what I believe are used in the time period with the Constellation's construction. 
Di-Luminite just sounds cool, I pictures the ship rapidly firing bright white torpedoes with red and blue trails.  Sort of like light coming off a reflector.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 01:31:08 pm »
Using Raptor's in the 23rd century doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to me.  Warship design didn't change too much on Earth from the late 1500's to the early 1800's.  Toss in the lack of environmental wear, stronger hull materials, and modular systems that can be easily upgraded and a good hull design could easily last a century.


Fair enough....


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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2005, 09:13:04 am »
Part 2 of the Revere info.

The Revere-B has survived the last 200 years, and has been extensively repaired and refitted with Alien  technology.  Following this is a brief description of her current capabilities.

Why would aliens refit the Revere?

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Type:  Unknown (Advanced sensor technology has been installed, easily on par with the sensors on an  Intrepid-Class.  However the ship also posseses a fierce compliment of weapons.)

Defenses:  Adaptive/Regenerative shields, secondary combat HIF.
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I know...it's a little out there.  Just trying to picture a heavily upgraded Akula (Or Revere-Class refit). 

I can't really find a good Akula reference. Daystrom doesn't have it. Any good references to her abilities? Something that compares her to a klingon contempary
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2005, 11:18:12 am »
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Why would aliens refit the Revere?
They didn't.  Technically.  All will be revealed in time. 
Off hand however, in 200 years, she could have been used by many different masters for many different purposes.  Mercs, Militia, ect.

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She's not gonna be an uber ship is she?
Nope, but she needs to keep up with the other ships that will be *cough*"Three Stars"*cough*"Andromedan Crescent"*cough*

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I can't really find a good Akula reference. Daystrom doesn't have it. Any good references to her abilities? Something that compares her to a klingon contempary
I'd say the Akula (f-dd) is the Federation's trump on the standard BOP.  As they came to exist during the period of conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire. 






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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2005, 12:11:53 pm »
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I'd say the Akula (f-dd) is the Federation's trump on the standard BOP.  As they came to exist during the period of conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire. 

Is this the Akula-class from Ships of Star Fleet?
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2005, 12:34:53 pm »
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Is this the Akula-class from Ships of Star Fleet?


I've never seen Ships of Starfleet.  So I don't know.

The Akula-Class as it appears in ST: Shattered Universe

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Re: Canon check
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2005, 01:31:40 pm »
Just a small note. The word is canon. A cannon is a weapon.
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Re: Canon check
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2005, 01:52:04 pm »
Just a small note. The word is canon. A cannon is a weapon.

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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2005, 06:21:23 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2005, 09:21:11 am »
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2005, 02:42:46 pm »
AN English teacher. Can't be all nit-pick-ety and still say "a English" and all that...

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2005, 09:06:27 pm »
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 08:02:28 am »
Hi AlchemistiD,

I always like it when people come up with their own detailed histories for their characters/ships/storylines. It means they care enough about the story enough to add some depth to it, and you've certainly done that.

As for it's canon status, however, I'm afraid you failed at the first jump. The canon, official Trek USS Revere is a scout ship, NCC-595, which was ordered to rendezvous with the scout Columbia NCC-621 in 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture'. This was heard in the radio chatter around Epsilon IX before they detected V'Ger battling the Klingon battlecruisers.

In semi-canon (and, I think, SFC), the Revere (and Columbia) are Hermes-class scouts, which are Saladin-class destroyers without their photorps and 2 of their 3 phaser banks. This is from the 'Franz Joseph Technical Manual', which is where the writers for 'ST:TMP' got them from when the Tech Manual was still considered semi-canon itself. As you may know, SFC is taken from the board game 'Star Fleet Battles', which has the Tech Manual as its origin point.

The rest of the history can be taken at face value, even if I think the Revere would have been named for the man himself rather than a Navy Auxiliary troop transport.

I like your reference to the Reeves-Stevens' book 'Federation', it's one of my all-time favourites too.

As one of my more forthright and opinionated online friends is wont to point out, the -A designation added to a ship's NCC number was a singular honour applied to the Enterprise and no other ship should have it, but so many fan fics and published novels have it that it isn't realy worth mentioning. You could give the second Revere a different NCC, though.

All the advanced tech... I'm not so sanguine about that, but it is, after all, your universe. Have fun playing in it. *smile*

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2005, 06:47:17 pm »
Actually, that's not true.

In an early episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, the Enterprise get's trapped within a 'Rat Maze' created by an advanced being, where they see illusions, such as attacking warbirds.

One of these illusions is another Galaxy-Class ship, the Yamato.  Riker reads her registry, and clearly reads an 'E' at the end of it. 

The Enterprise may have been humanitys first true deep space starship, but she's far from the only one to distinguish herself.  Especially given the fact that there are hundreds of starships in starfleet.

On the other points however...well, damn.  *Sigh*  Back to the notepad.


This sucks, because I had drawn what I imagine the Revere would look like in R'e na (NGC 1300), during my history class.  I was bored :p

(Oh, and it's pronounced 'Ra-hey na'.  Yeah, I was at the stage of planning where things start getting anal.)



I want to put some slightly more alien looking engines on her, but Sun Legion (Officially named 'Legion of Suns', but Sun Legion saves on the tounge.) Sidewarp nacelles just don't fit with the ship's look.

Well, at least it doesn't affect the Kasurans or the rest of the Sun Legion.  Or any of the other resident races in R'e na.

Also, I'm working on a short story to introduce the main character.  Pre-getting thrown into another galaxy.




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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2005, 08:58:39 pm »
Yeah, the Yamato. That's listed in the 'Star Trek Encyclopedia' as a error on the writers' part as it didn't fit into the registry scheme Mike Okuda had created for the TNG ships. He had asked them to change it, but it wa cut rhen reinsrtated. The number was corrected later in the episode 'Contagion' when the Yamato is destroyed in 2365. In that episode it is listed as NCC-71807, and that was on the ship's saucer, visual logs, and dedication plaque.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2005, 10:23:33 pm »
Well, Crap.  I stand corrected again.  I say again.  Well, crap.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2005, 08:11:42 am »
Sorry, AlchemistiD. *smile*

Getting the Star Trek Encyclopedia is a worthwhile investment if you're trying to canonise your stuff, even if only referring to actual episodes. It also includes a little of the background story for continuity errors. Even the last revised paperback version is about US$30 though. Which is CDN$46, f or some bizarre reason.

We really get the piss ripped out of us paying for books up here in the Great White North... *sigh*

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2005, 01:41:38 pm »


We really get the piss ripped out of us paying for books up here in the Great White North... *sigh*

Good job I bought it good ol' Blighty! *grin*


In New Zealand, we would have paid $100 for the same book. Crikey!


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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2005, 01:52:29 pm »
Lend me your ears!  I could use some help on a few things.


First off, and this ones for those with the encyclopedia.  I need an unused NCC from just before the Constitution-Class' construction.


Second, again for those with the Encyclopedia.  It is ever established in canon whether or not Cpt. Terrell of the Reliant (ST2: WOK) had any children or siblings?


Third, this ones for the math wizards.  At maximum warp (Or whatever the maximum warp rating was during the Constellation's Heyday), how long would it take to cross 70 million light years?


And fourth, once again for those with the encyclopedia, I could use complete data on the Akula-Class.





Finally, and this really isn't a request for help, just some nifty facts.


NGC 1300 is a Barred Spiral Galaxy in the Constellation Eridanus. It's about 150,000 ly. across and 70 Million ly. (21 Mpc.) away. In 2005, Our Galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy, is thought to look like this.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2005, 06:01:02 am »
I'll get back to you on this one. At work.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2005, 01:57:53 pm »
Doing design work on the Revere.  I've decided her registry will be NCC-1980.  I've dropped the Constellation-Class prototype schtick.  Mainly because someone's made a model which looks far more like a Constellation prototype than a souped up Akula.

A few things left on three of the races I'm creating for this.  I've designed a few Kasuran ships, a Frontier Yacht, A Light Galleon, and the Kasuran Super-heavy Cruiser.  The SHC being essentially a flying city.  It's not entirely nessesary to do this I admit, but I'm bored.  I'm finishing them up with modular sections that can be fitted on or off at any spacedock for combat.  Transforming the Kasuran "Frontier Yacht" into the Kasuran "Sloop-of-War" for example.

The design work on the revere has to do mostly with the Sidewarp engines.  I've been drawing different designs trying to see what will fit with the ship's overall shape and Starfleet appearance.

I'll post pics of some of the ships later today, and of the first three races soon.  The Kasurans, the Spriggan, and the Makannon.

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The Kasuran Frontier Yacht Aia Class, 90% finished.


The Kasuran Emera'Tera Class Super Heavy Cruiser.


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The Revere 1980



I have to post this, just for the hell of it.  The weirdest Revere concept.


 
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2005, 12:10:28 am »
I have to point out that, with Fed tech as we know it, there is no possible way to sustain maximum warp for 70 million lightyears. The Kelvans(original Star Trek ep "By Any Other Name") could alter the tech to do it, but clearly they never did, and what they did to the Enterprise's engines was never duplicated, or Starfleet's warp drives would work a lot better than they do in the 24th century.
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2005, 12:26:00 am »
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But the REVERE is from the Constellation-Class era.  Twenty-two years AT LEAST before TNG.  And it's in another GALAXY.  So logically no one would know anything about the current fed tech in the milky way, hence 'contemporary' warp charts are meaningless.  What I want to know, is what the maximum warp rating was when the Constellation was launched, and how long it would take to cross 70 million ly.

I never asked if it could be sustained or if it was practical.  I just need the numbers to explain something in the story.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2005, 10:18:41 am »
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But the REVERE is from the Constellation-Class era.  Twenty-two years AT LEAST before TNG.  And it's in another GALAXY.  So logically no one would know anything about the current fed tech in the milky way, hence 'contemporary' warp charts are meaningless.  What I want to know, is what the maximum warp rating was when the Constellation was launched, and how long it would take to cross 70 million ly.

I never asked if it could be sustained or if it was practical.  I just need the numbers to explain something in the story.

It would take 68,355 years at Warp 8.  I know that's not maximum warp, but considering that the Revere isn't likely a top-of-the-line ship, it would be stressed to make 8.5 with engine modefications.  Note that in canon Trek that the Enterprise 1701's speed records stood well into the 24th century.
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Re: Canon check
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2005, 01:27:29 pm »
Forgive me for intruding and probably going over stuff already discussed (mainly because I've fast-skimmed through the topic, only reading the first post carefully), but I wanted to provide suggestions in the form of revision.  I'll provide some corrections and state why after.  Corrections will be highlighted in red.

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Revere Service History:

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was constructed during the period of conflict with the Klingon Empire during the mid 23rd century.  She was named for the USS Paul Revere (APA/LPA-248), a United States Amphibious Transport Ship, the first of such ships to recieve the Meritorious Unit Commendation.  Also, early Starfleet records indicate a neptune-class patrol cruiser was also named Revere.

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was a destroyer, typically filling out the role of a fast-response or escort frigate.  However, the USS Revere stands out from the Destroyer pack.  Her mission record includes 10 sucsessful engagements with Klingon D6 fleets, several deep-space rescue missions, and first contact with over 20 races, both within and out of the Milky Way galaxy, according to the mission logs of her master, Flag Admiral Will R. Barry (A Lt. Commander at the time of her maiden voyage).

The USS Revere (NCC-509) was retired shortly after the incident with the alien probe, and the court martial of Admiral James T. Kirk.  Most of the remaining crew, including freshly promoted 'Captain' Barry, would return to serve aboard the USS Revere (NCC-2509).  An Akula-class (refit) sharing much of it's  improved technology with the Enterprise-A, a new Constitution-class Starship and the first to use upgraded technology derived from the Excelsior-class.  Equipped with state of the art sensor technology, the Revere's primary mission was of peace in aiding the Klingon Empire after the Praxis disaster.  A stark contrast to her former assignment as a frontier cruiser patrolling the boundries of Federation space along the Klingon border.

The irony was not lost on Captain Barry, who found it difficult to trust his former adversaries, even when a Klingon ambassador joined the crew.  However, through the Revere's first five-year mission, and midways through her second, the captain learned to admire the Klingon's code of honor and loyalty, and even attended Klingon Ambassador Goh'dek's wedding, his son's birth, and tragically, his funeral.  When the Andromedans began their invasion of the Milky Way by attacking the Klingon world of E'kio, the colony world where he was born, and where his family lived. 

Captain Barry disobeyed Starfleet orders to return to federation space in order to rescue the Ambassador and his family.  Goh'dek's wife and son survived, and the Revere managed to defeat several fast Andromedan attack cruisers.  But the ship was left nearly crippled when an Andromedan mothership joined the battle.  The mothership was ultimately destroyed, but at the cost of the Ambassador's life and almost half of the Revere's crew.  Captain Barry faced a court-martial when the Revere limped back to federation space, but the Klingon High Council interceded on his behalf.

The Revere went on to play a significant role in the war against the Andromedan invaders, coordinating with Klingon and Hydran forces in key battles.  She also participated in the final battle of the war, the Battle of Edo, and was destroyed by her master inside the Andromedan Worldship, putting an end to the war, and an era.

A year after the war, the U.S.S. Revere (NX-6590) was commisioned as a testbed for a possible replacement of the venerable Akula-Class, which proved it's mettle a hundred fold during the war.   Unfortunately, the Revere-Class ended after the construction of the Revere, and was never mass produced.  The Revere was granted a full commision ( her registry changed to NCC-6590[/i]), and she was sent off on another five year mission.  Captain Barry had been promoted to Admiral, however, and was reassigned to Starfleet Command's headquarters in San Francisco.   Commander Maya O'neill, who began her career as the helm officer of the U.S.S. Revere (NCC-509) just prior to the V'Ger incident, took command of the latest starship.  A few of the surviving senior crew returned as well.

Commander Oneill's first command was cut tragically short.  Three years after her shakedown cruise, the Revere disappeared with all hands, without a trace, in the nebulous region of space known as the Aries Expanse.


I'm not sure about the first alteration.  But my first thoughts are, "Well, is she a Destroyer or a Frigate?" or something among that.  Most of the other alterations were grammar or restatements or rephrasing...  The second was more of preference (Though I wonder if I should go for either D5 or D6), as I'm not much of an Enterprise fan.  I also conform to the idea (at least in recent times) that registry numbers ending in letter prefixes (NCC-####-A) should only be reserved for the legendary starships named Enterprise, each being the flagship of the Federation fleet, and to no other ship, which makes the ship stand out, that carries it to legendary status.  We've seen other starships carry the same name as previous ones yet with a different registry, and I figured the starships named Revere would fit as ships that each have different registry numbers.
Bringing up the Yamato's registry won't change my opinion; It's NCC-71807 anyhow according to canon.  If you bring up other things such as that "NCC-1305-E" was stated earlier and thus overwrites "NCC-71807", then why are you referencing Federation and not the UESPA?  It's just personal taste I guess, and for me this makes more sense.  I also half-thought about changing the first Revere's registry number as I'm more of a fan of SFM and figured that having a "509" registry would put her in the late-22nd-century/early-23rd-century or something, but since it's canonical due to TMP's diologue during the first scenes that were taking place around Epsilon IX, I figured, "Why not keep it?"

The last change was more of canonical correction, as Constellation-class Starships had been in service since the 2270s/2280s.  The U.S.S. Hathaway was a Constellation-class Starship (NCC-2593) that had been in service since 2285 (according to what Sirna Kolrami said about the Hathaway being an "eighty year-old Star Cruiser" in "Peak Performance" [TNG], a Season 2 TNG episode taking place in the year 2265).

I might take a whack at altering more of the backstory later on, I might not.  All I'm doing is just adjusting things here and there as a suggestion or two out of boredom, that's all.  I should read the rest of the posts, but I'm due for a speghetti dinner I'm making; I wasn't too fond of turkey, too dry.  Anyhow, apologies to anyone (Alchemist especially) if barging in here and suggesting things in the form of some revisions is insulting.  No offense intended.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2005, 12:52:12 am »
IIRC, there was at least some speculation that Constellation class ships were an experiment in giving an extended high warp cruising capability to a galactic survey cruiser. Specifically, the design was only supposed to run on two out of the 4 nacelles at a time, switching off between the two sets of two to avoid the kind of wear and tear mentioned in TNG in running ships above a maximum rated cruising speed, such as taking the Enterprise D up past warp factor 9.2 for an extended period of time. IIRC, top speed of the E-D was 9.6 for a maximum of 4 hours before a mandatory shutdown to avoid critical damage to the warp propulsion system.

Another theory was that the 4 nacelles also would allow for burst speeds much higher than normally would be expected for a ship with that kind of power curve, but I don't recall if either speculation was ever confirmed or denied.

However, the Revere clearly is not a Constellation class ship, so this doesn't matter much, does it?
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2005, 07:52:13 am »
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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2005, 09:45:55 am »
I came up with this some time ago and had intended to have this and all my other warp-nacelle arrangement theories already up on my site's Databanks, but so far haven't managed to get round to it. Maybe I will now. Included will be my take on the single-nacelle destroyers and the three-nacelle dreadnoughts. But anyway, to the matter at hand.

I'm of the opinion that the Constellation-class engines are for ordinary use--all 4 at the same time. My theory is this:

The Constitution (refit) and Miranda classes have two horizontally-paired nacelles mounted vertically, each of which generate an asymmetric warp field which 'rubs off' of each other down the vertical fore-to-aft centreline--on the xz-plane--of the ship, to produce a forward motive force. The orientation of the force generated is perpendicular to the plane of the ecliptic of our galaxy.
(To help visualise this in case it's not yet clear, think of the "wet-navy ship at sea" orientation with the warp force basically pushing the ship as the wind in her sails.)

If you look at the nacelle arangement on the Constellation, you see that the upper and lower nacelles are mounted horizontally, not vertically, and opposed to each other--i.e. bottom-to-bottom--when compared to the classes above. So, it is my opinion that the nacelles are paired vertically.

These vertically-paired nacelles then produce the same field as above to create two asymmetrical warp fields along the ship's lateral fore-to-aft centreline, in the xy-plane. With only one set of vertically-paired nacelles, this would force our hypothetical sailing ship to be on her side with respect to the galactic (xy) plane, flying on the edge of her saucer.
(Like Lt. Andie has the Illustrious do in the gas giant rings in Jaeih's 'First Steps'.)

These two xy-plane warp fields then 'rub off' of each other and produce forward warp force on the ship's vertical fore-to-aft centreline, back on the xz-plane, which is the correct "sailing ship at sea" orientation.
This is because the poles of each set of vertically-paired nacelles are diametrically opposite each other, so they cancel each other out and allow the ordinary, normal orientation that the horizontally-paired nacelles of the Constitution and Miranda classes have.

Let me know what you think of my theory, such as any refinements or "But wait a minute!"s you may have. I'm definitely interested in your responses to this one.

PS. Wow, it is really hard to describe this! I just spent over half an hour on this post, trying to be as clear as I can. Yikes! I wish I had a scanner to illustrate this...

Okay... (and apologies to those of you who actually understand this, I'm just trying to get it straight in my own head)

The x-axis runs directly from ahead of you to directly behind you.

The y-axis runs directly from the left of you to the right of you, horizontally at right angles to the x-axis.

This creates the the xy-plane. It is the ground you walk on.

The z-axis runs directly from above you to directly below you. The height of the sky to the depths of the sea.

Therefore when we walk (or crawl or move in any way), we are moving (on flat ground anyway) on the xy-plane, and our motive force propels us forward in the xz-plane. This is what gravity does for us. We are only capable of propelled 3D motion when our feet leave the ground and we defy gravity, however briefly.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2005, 07:37:49 pm »
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However, the Revere clearly is not a Constellation class ship, so this doesn't matter much, does it?

Not much, I just need the numbers to explain stuff.  Technical exposition.

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Re: Cannon check
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2005, 10:39:04 am »
First of all, my apologies for not getting back to you with the tech details you wanted. I forgot.

But my compliments on the sketches on the Katuran ships. They are really cool!
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2005, 10:47:34 pm »
Work is progressing steadily, though I've hit a bump in the road because of finals. 

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2005, 09:30:01 am »
Really excellent work on that distress call! I know how much time and effort goes into creating the small details that add an air of authenticity to a story. Good work!
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2005, 12:26:10 pm »
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