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[Dizzy]

Please give detailed feedback on anything that needs looking at and thanks for participating in the testing.


The Test Server is Up!

Links and Downloads:

- SGO VI Installer/Uninstaller
- Installer Mirror (please try this mirror first)
- SGO VI Manual Installer Program (Recommended for advanced users with multiple mod installs only)
- Online Campaign Interface (Includes Player Controls, Kill Page, Webmap and more...) 
- Roleplay Thread
- Test Thread Bugs List
- SG VI Alliance Forum
- SG VI Coalition Forum

[NuclearWessels]

Heh, bug number 1, before the test server is even up 

The heavy planet assault script and light planet assault script are both showing the same "true name"
(both appearing as Met_DizzyAssault).  No impact on functionality, but complicates reporting a bit.

Diz/Bonk: I've posted the corrected version of Met_DizzyHvyAssault.scr (2pm PDT)

dave

[Dizzy]

Righto. Well, reporting which mission is night and day. No mistaking which one you have.

Question: What mission name will player see on the list during the actual server? I'd prefer a roll of the dice here so they dont know which they get. If the Hvy appears too difficult, lowering it's frequency may be in order if not dropping down one of the bats to defsats. At any rate the mission itself appears heavily configurable. That's the coolest part.

[NuclearWessels]

No worries, they both get the same generic mission name in game - you won't be able to see a difference until you actually spot what's in orbit.

The "true name" is only mentioned since Bonk probably/hopefully has them enabled in missionmatching.gf for reporting purposes during the test server.

And yes, it's not too difficult to change if you'd like the heavy version toned down or less frequent.

dave

[Bonk]

I haven't started setting up the test server yet. But yes, I intend to have misions names on for the test. Let me know when you have the posted pack updated and I'll download it, recompile and reupload the installer (~1-2hrs).

[NuclearWessels]

Revised version is ready now Bonk ... we'll see how many more times we can make you download it today

thanks!
dave

[Bonk]

Lol, thanks Dave, downloading now...

[Dizzy]

6 so far I think... lol

[Julin Eurthyr]

Revised version is ready now Bonk ... we'll see how many more times we can make you download it today

thanks!
dave

... and yet another act that puts the evil in "Evil" Dave...

[Bonk]

I uploaded that installer four times today, at 40-50 minutes each time. Ugh, dial-up hurts, bad.

Anyway, the test server is up!

[SkyFlyer]

Bonk, if you tell me how to make installers I will be happy to make them for you. I know of the horrors of uploading on 56k.

[Bonk]

Bonk, if you tell me how to make installers I will be happy to make them for you. I know of the horrors of uploading on 56k.

Download and install NSIS: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
And you might want to use Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/
and the NSIS plugin for it: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/EclipseNSIS_-_NSIS_plugin_for_Eclipse

But I use notepad alone to edit NSIS scripts. Though some syntax highlighting might be nice, I just might try that Eclipse setup.

Read the NSIS help file thoroughly, while working your way through the examples included in the examples folder. Take a good look at the includes and useful scripts along the way.

Check out the tools here: http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Developer_Center (plugins - some need to be compiled from source within the NSIS source package tree)

And check out the NSIS forums: http://forums.winamp.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=65

Ive attached the current SGO6 installer, though note it is using my old flow control strategy (strcmp and goto) instead of using the LogicLib include which can make things easier.

Also check out upx: http://upx.sourceforge.net/ which can be called from an NSIS script to shave a few more KB off the installer by packing the executeable header

Also note that 7-Zip can be used to open NSIS installers - can be handy with development work: http://www.7-zip.org/

Check all that out. Try and reproduce my SGO6 installer, or an equivalent in a way that makes sense to you, and get back to me. I would welcome another convert to the NSIS cause! 

I wokrd with an installsheild demo for a month and I still prefer NSIS. I never tried clickteam, I just don't like the look of it. 

edit: oh, and take a look in the scripting forums here for NSIS tips from Firesoul and I.

[Capt Jeff]

Are we going to be entering X-Class era by the end of the campaign?

That K-D7TX looks a little OTT 

[Capt Jeff]

Deadman and I did a Dizzy-assault (WTF is the heavy one like??!!) and the planet seemed only interested in him.  I was able to move to range 2 and fire OL photons into the planet over and over while it fired on him and he was at a range of about 30-35 from the planet.

Deadman was the host BTW...

[762_XC]

I've seen that - sometimes planets and bases seem to pick a target and ignore everybody else. Usually the host I think.

[Bonk]

Does sound familiar, been around for ages.

[762_XC]

OK, there's one thing I have a big problem with.

The OCI allows you to log in as say, Fed, buy a Fed DNH, then switch to Gorn while flying the F-DNH. You will show up on the map as a Gorn DN.

This is a bad thing IMHO. A big part of the game's strategy is knowing what heavy metal assets your opponent has, and how to counter them. Allowing this kind of deception eliminates that whole element. It is also unrealistic, because long range sensors should easily be able to tell a Gorn ship from a Fed.

Some people might think this is cool (I tricked him! HaHa!) but it's going to undermine a major part of Dyna strategy.

Another possible unintended consequence is to allow someone to resupply at any allied base. Again, sounds cool, but killing stategy.

If this can't be fixed within the OCI, I would strongly suggest a rule banning the practice.

[Bonk]

Tough one.

If a player switches races they should buy a ship from the new race and trade in ships from their old race, agreed.

Theoretically, I could make the race tranfers function automatically trade in your old ship and give you a roughly equivalent one from the new race, but it would be a lot of work and fraught with issues and complaints about the automatically generated new ship... hmmm though I could add a manual selection of the ship from the new race on the transfer... again a bunch of work, but probably a good idea and definitely feasible. I don't think I can get that done for SG6 but will definitely make it priority on the OCI wishlist.

It is not too hard to monitor for though, you can just check the roster for players flying ships from other than their current race. Until I can get the new ship on race transfer work done we'll just have to make that rule and monitor for it which is not that big a deal.

[762_XC]

Does the roster still show enemies and what they're flying, etc?

[Bonk]

Does the roster still show enemies and what they're flying, etc?

Yes. (take a look ) Not difficult to disable if desired.

[Dizzy]

That may be the interim solution till the OCI is changed. Just look at the roster to see what they are flying... There are your long range scanners, tool.

What if instead of showing the exact ship someone is flying it instead showed what hull class and what race? Like Romulan Heavy Cruiser?

Would that be a quick fix, Bonk or take a lot of time? I'm leary of instantly knowing what ship someone is flying... Although after the very 1st encounter, everyone is gonna tell everyone else on TS what that dude is flying, so mb it doesnt matter...

[762_XC]

Ideal solution would be to diable viewing enemies on the roster, and insert a rule that you have to fly a ship of your current race.

[Capt Jeff]

Yes, I know that the "AI fire on host only" problem has been around for a while...
I mentioned it since we have a scripter involved and maybe it could be looked into 

As for flying a different race's ships around, I'd say make the simple rule, that while you are at the OCI, if you switch races, you must also buy a new ship of the race you are switching to before you log back into the server.

Very simple, and I can't see anyone having a problem with that.   I guarantee there will be such a rule on SS3.

[Bonk]

Ideal solution would be to diable viewing enemies on the roster, and insert a rule that you have to fly a ship of your current race.

Would be a pain to move it into the player controls and make it filtered by enemies, would also kind of defeat the whole purpose of it. I want to keep as much as possible viewable without logging in.

I can disable it altogether or just add configuraion paramters as to what information to show.

What do you think it should show 762?.

Definitley I agree that players should only fly ships from their current race. (like I said above, it will be a bunch of work to add a forced tradin and purchase on transfer but it is now on the wishlist marked as priority, but I'm sure you guys will come up with plenty of other issues that will be easier to address first... )

That may be the interim solution till the OCI is changed. Just look at the roster to see what they are flying... There are your long range scanners, tool.

What if instead of showing the exact ship someone is flying it instead showed what hull class and what race? Like Romulan Heavy Cruiser?

Would that be a quick fix, Bonk or take a lot of time? I'm leary of instantly knowing what ship someone is flying... Although after the very 1st encounter, everyone is gonna tell everyone else on TS what that dude is flying, so mb it doesnt matter...

It would be possible to replace the ships disaplyed on the roster with only their class instead, not a big deal.

Lets settle on what we want the roster to display then I can get to work on it. 

[FPF-DieHard]

Are we going to be entering X-Class era by the end of the campaign?

That K-D7TX looks a little OTT 

Playtesting indicates otherwise (Fricking t00l owning my ass while he was in a DGX for example . . . )

I designed it so blame me

[Lieutenant_Q]

Could you set it up so that instead of Romulan Heavy Cruiser, Federation Heavy Cruiser etc...

I could be like: Romulan KR Cruiser, Federation New Heavy Cruiser.  It would seem to me, that, especially with the Romulan Ships, that each series would have a very distinctive long range sensor return.  And just because you know the hull type, doesn't mean you know the exact configuration.

Or better yet...have Romulan KR series ships come back as "Klingon Type" that way we don't know if they are Romulan or Klingon 

[Dizzy]

Good idea Q. Bonk is looking into it.

DH, a klingon X ship with photons... Unique ships wouldnt you say?

[FPF-DieHard]

It would seem to me, that, especially with the Romulan Ships, that each series would have a very distinctive long range sensor return.  And just because you know the hull type . ..

Um, Cloaking Device?   

[Dizzy]

As for flying a different race's ships around, I'd say make the simple rule, that while you are at the OCI, if you switch races, you must also buy a new ship of the race you are switching to before you log back into the server.

Very simple, and I can't see anyone having a problem with that.   I guarantee there will be such a rule on SS3.

Well us admins have to stick together... Ok I agree. I'll make a rule. That will save Bonk the pain and misery of fixing it now and he can focus on other stuff.

[FPF-DieHard]

Good idea Q. Bonk is looking into it.

DH, a klingon X ship with photons... Unique ships wouldnt you say?

It's a D7T with an X-Refit (as per the SFB rules, as close as you can get in SFC:OP).  It plays nice with the other CA X-ships.   It was in SG05 and I'm not sure if it was even flown.  I don't feel it should have anymore restrictions on it than any other CA X-ship.

[Dizzy]

This is a test server. There exists terrain only in the center of the map. More Planets bases and terrain will be added later.

[NuclearWessels]

Yes, I know that the "AI fire on host only" problem has been around for a while...
I mentioned it since we have a scripter involved and maybe it could be looked into 
...

Yeah, this one has always bugged me (no pun intended), but I haven't found a useful way to prevent it yet (heh, aside from giving the defender control of the planet/base).

In general, targetting is left strictly up to the game engine.  There is an api option that lets us manually choose a specific enemy ship as a target, but nothing to order the AI to reevaluate the current situation (theoretically it should be doing that anyway, but I suspect therein lies the glitch).

I will take another boo at it though, see if anything new leaps out at me

dave
 

[Dizzy]

In general, targetting is left strictly up to the game engine.  There is an api option that lets us manually choose a specific enemy ship as a target,
dave
 

How about just get it to shoot at tool?

Or the closest enemy target? Is there such an option?

[762_XC]

Bonk, Q's suggestion would be fine...just have it display general class, like the D2 interface does now (well, sort of). If it shows nothing at all, I am ok with that too.

[NuclearWessels]

In general, targetting is left strictly up to the game engine.  There is an api option that lets us manually choose a specific enemy ship as a target,
dave

How about just get it to shoot at tool?

Sadly there is no way for the scripts to recognize which actual players are involved .... if there was then my nickname would probably be something MUCH worse than just "evil" dave 

Or the closest enemy target? Is there such an option?

No such luck there either  ... we could introduce code that continually tracks the distance between ships and the base, and intermittently does manual updates to change targets, but the routines involved in monitoring distancs also seem to introduce noticable lag

dave

[SkyFlyer]

I'll give er a shot tonight bonk

[KBFLordKrueg]

Since the only thing that hasn't been impleminted already on the OCI is the display on the roster...
Displaying the class of ship only is fine, you'll get the same by right clicking on a player in the campaign...
If you want to get more detailed than that, that's fine also.

[Dizzy]

Well... when a player gets in his 1st PvP then everyone on the Alliance will know what they are flying... Its not that big a deal to be secretive. But yes, I'd like to see it only show the race and hull type of the ship a player is flying.

[KBFLordKrueg]

OK, Dizzy, on the roster, back for some missions later after dinner, etc.

[MtO Lyrkiller]

Dizzy, I am unable to d/l the installer. 

Will try to d/l later.

[Dizzy]

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