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Beyond sucked
« on: July 23, 2016, 05:25:54 pm »
It's no wonder Paramount is scared of Axanar, this steaming pile of poo was just awful.  I saw it for free and felt ripped off.

With any luck the IP will be devalued enough that nobody will care anymore.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 05:52:55 pm »
I view JJ Trek as a parody.  But given that, I think it was the best one JJ has put out so far... as parodies go.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 06:22:55 pm »
I'm interpreting Paramount's unusually recent announcement of a fourth film in the franchise indicating they realize this isn't a strong film.

I'm interpreting the fact that they're even announcing the storyline of the fourth film at this point, Kirk meeting his father presumably through time travel, as their way of reassuring a rabid fan base that they are going to reset the timeline, so to speak, with the fourth film, and probably retire this cast (which is a shame, because I think the cast and music were the strongest things Abramstrek had going for it).  This will also keep the possibilities open for the new series/future films, etc.

I'm interpreting Abrams' comments about not recasting Chekov [with this generation of actors in the Star Trek Universe] as reinforcing my theory that the fourth film will be the final film with this group of actors/this interpretation of the Star Trek Universe, and that Kirk will probably reset everything, saving Vulcan, Chekov, his father, and his Shatnerish timeline (remember, he knows about this via Nimoyspock) by the end of the fourth film.  Heard it hear first: the fourth film initiates the reboot of the reboot, and ends Abrams' foray in the Trek universe.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 07:00:19 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 08:35:42 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

I have NOT seen it yet. Sorry if I gave that impression. Was underwhelmed at first two, but hope springs eternal for the third. Better than no Trek at all, I think...

Anyhow, generally I don't like the wide open holes in story lines that Abrams' Trek creates.  The latest was Khan Superblood as a cure-all. But being able to transport across the galaxy also creates some troublesome story problems.  I didn't like the red matter thang.  Would also think Nero might have used his ability to go back in time to warn Romulus of the supernova. Is Abrams' Spock Vulcan or merely Asperger's?  Engineering filmed in a brewery ruined a bit of the suspension of disbelief for me.  I don't know if the Klingons could have been more unimaginatively realized, especially their ships.

That's just me. And just off the top of my head.

But the third Abramstrek film, I intend to see and has been getting good mainstream reviews. I just like the extrapolation of REAL science that Star Trek represents, and don't really feel that way about these Treks.  Cotton Candy instead of a meal.

That said, I do LOVE the casting, music, and bridge aesthetics.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 09:54:38 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

Were you intoxicated?   Then maybe this sh*tburger could have been tolerable.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2016, 09:55:44 pm »

That said, I do LOVE the casting, music, and bridge aesthetics.

Cast is great, when I see them I think "Kirk, Spock, Bones, etc . . ."

LOVED the 2009 movie, other two were abortions.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 11:00:18 am »
I do believe it's possible to disagree about things and not resort to insulting people, no matter how strongly you feel on the topic.

I saw Beyond last night, and having gone in with very (very) lowered expectations found myself pleasantly surprised how much I liked it. I disliked a lot of the choices made in ST 2009 and hated "Into Darkness" as Trek and as a movie, but Beyond seemed to work better. It still feels a bit like Star Trek "Lite" and more action than sci-fi but that's hardly surprising with franchise movies these days. The cast is pretty good in their roles; altho I've never liked Quinto's Spock he was better this time and Pegg's Scotty was more than the jokey version he did previously, and the music and FX were good. I could pick at it as a filmmaker, and really nitpick it as a Trekkie, but hell, I did that with TWOK too. WIthout giving away any spoilers I saw a few plot holes  but the dialogue was pretty tight. All in all, if I had never seen the other two JJ movies I could accept this as "big screen" Trek, the same way I accepted "The Voyage Home" (which I didn't care for) or "Final Frontier" (which I personally love but have to admit it's not a good movie at all) - maybe JJ was the real problem.

IMHO, recasting TOS and starting over was inevitable. This series of movies will probably only last a few more as the cast gets expensive and box office goes down. ST and movies have always been a mixed bag, the sooner it returns to "TV"/episodic media, the better.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 10:34:56 am »
I saw it (and am planning to see it again before my vacation is over).  I didn't hate it.  I don't know if I liked it, but this is the first Trek film since Nemesis that feels like a Trek film.  My gripes are ones that have been unique to the Abramsverse films (ignorance of science, bland soundtrack, etc.).

maybe JJ was the real problem.

He freely admitted during the media blitz leading up to the release of ST 09 that he wasn't a fan of the franchise at all, and had never seen any of it save for TMP (as a kid).  He didn't/doesn't understand what he was working with.  Keep him out of the directors chair and away from the script room and things might be salvageable.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2016, 10:29:01 am »
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2016, 10:40:36 am »
http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/

$100 million loss.

Maybe if the franchise loses more value we can see more SFB games :)

Most of the big budget films this year have seen losses.  For better or for worse, Paramount has already committed to a 4th film with this cast.  Whether or not that's a good thing is TBD.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2016, 10:46:36 am »
It's no wonder Paramount is scared of Axanar, this steaming pile of poo was just awful.  I saw it for free and felt ripped off.

With any luck the IP will be devalued enough that nobody will care anymore.
This has NOTHING to do with 'being scared' of Axanar.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2016, 06:09:53 pm »
I'm rather conflicted on what to think of Beyond. These new Trek films aren't quite memorable or substantial (but let's be real, which Trek film was truly comparable to the quality of the series?). They aren't Nemesis-bad, despite cringy moments like the destruction of Vulcan and the Sabotage scene, but they aren't the best thing ever either.

I refuse to go with the fanboy flow and send infinite amounts of hate towards the reboots just to spite JJ Abrams. He's a good director in general, but I can't say Trek was really his forte, and I don't hate him for trying to revitalize the franchise like many fanboys do. Didn't have high expectations when I saw the director of Beyond was from Fast & Furious 7 (who watches that stuff anymore, anyway?), but considering the circumstances it could've ended far worse, so my guess is JJ's backseat role in the film's production was to its benefit.

The Axanar situation has nothing to do with fear, it's more like a run-of-the-mill copyright fascism that no major media company is immune to.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2016, 08:50:45 pm »
The Axanar situation has nothing to do with fear, it's more like a run-of-the-mill copyright fascism that no major media company is immune to.

If Axanar had done nothing wrong, you'd be correct in calling it that.  However, they've done plenty wrong.

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php has all the infomation on their misdeeds.

It may have started out as a fan film project, but right now, it's nothing more than one man's quest to be able to write himself a steady paycheck, ostensibly on the back of IP he had no legal right to use.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2016, 09:32:11 am »
The Axanar situation has nothing to do with fear, it's more like a run-of-the-mill copyright fascism that no major media company is immune to.

If Axanar had done nothing wrong, you'd be correct in calling it that.  However, they've done plenty wrong.

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php has all the infomation on their misdeeds.

It may have started out as a fan film project, but right now, it's nothing more than one man's quest to be able to write himself a steady paycheck, ostensibly on the back of IP he had no legal right to use.


That explains the rule change nuke but the collateral damage was excessive.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2016, 09:45:06 am »
The Axanar situation has nothing to do with fear, it's more like a run-of-the-mill copyright fascism that no major media company is immune to.

If Axanar had done nothing wrong, you'd be correct in calling it that.  However, they've done plenty wrong.

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php has all the infomation on their misdeeds.

It may have started out as a fan film project, but right now, it's nothing more than one man's quest to be able to write himself a steady paycheck, ostensibly on the back of IP he had no legal right to use.


That explains the rule change nuke but the collateral damage was excessive.

It only takes one person to screw things up for everyone.

That being said, fan films are a very small drop in the larger bucket that is the Star Trek fandom.  It isn't going to affect as much as people think.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2016, 12:25:24 pm »
The Axanar situation has nothing to do with fear, it's more like a run-of-the-mill copyright fascism that no major media company is immune to.

If Axanar had done nothing wrong, you'd be correct in calling it that.  However, they've done plenty wrong.

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php has all the infomation on their misdeeds.

It may have started out as a fan film project, but right now, it's nothing more than one man's quest to be able to write himself a steady paycheck, ostensibly on the back of IP he had no legal right to use.


That explains the rule change nuke but the collateral damage was excessive.

It only takes one person to screw things up for everyone.

That being said, fan films are a very small drop in the larger bucket that is the Star Trek fandom.  It isn't going to affect as much as people think.


Very true but the new rules effectively remove all but the most amateur productions from ever seeing the light.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2016, 09:45:56 am »

It may have started out as a fan film project, but right now, it's nothing more than one man's quest to be able to write himself a steady paycheck, ostensibly on the back of IP he had no legal right to use.

For a second there I thought you were talking about Steven V. Cole . . .  :)
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2016, 08:56:31 pm »
Just saw Beyond.
Wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, actually.  Paced like a fun episode. Not a landmark film, but at this point, I'll just take adequate!


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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2016, 09:53:26 pm »

Anyone else catch reference to Kzinti War?

I think they said "Xindi" which is a reference to Enterprise.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2016, 10:58:31 am »
DOh!

Fooled again....


...However those WERE two cats that Kirk was enjoying some R&R with...

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2016, 01:00:01 pm »
Paramount was alarmed that there were no annoyingly unrealistic and distracting lense flares to be found in Axanar.

Perhaps if they added some maybe Paramount might review their stance on the matter.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2016, 07:07:49 pm »
I have not finish watching this garbage and I hate it!

This new Enterprise look so much like a garbage scout! Its week in every term, its shield can't stand against an attack and its weapons are useless. The crew seem distracted and Kirk is slow to react.

The escape pod have parachute? Some of them look like missiles.

I don't expect Paramount to realize that this Star Trek reboot was a bad idea. They should at lest keep the original Enterprise (Constitution class). The Enterprise D is better looking that this bad reboot imitation.

I still don't see why Paramount wont allow Anaxar to be produce? Are they jealous of the producer because they have a better scenario and this "free" movie will have a better successes that any new Star Trek movie they made?

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2016, 10:34:24 am »
I still don't see why Paramount wont allow Anaxar to be produce? Are they jealous of the producer because they have a better scenario and this "free" movie will have a better successes that any new Star Trek movie they made?

Yup.

Hopefully the new show will suck enough that the franchise is devalued enough for so it's cheap enough for another game to be made in the SFB model.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 11:06:10 am »
A reboot of Star Trek would have been good, but they need to keep it "cannon" as much as its possible.

First don't rethink how the Enterprise look. Two find a better scenarist so the story will be good. Who did the scenario of Star Trek Fist contact and the series Star trek Enterprise? Use him/them so you can keep a good stories.

Its sad that Paramount can't see that this new Star Trek is a financier disaster and they should flush the idea of another Star Trek movie.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2016, 12:57:32 pm »
They  found aold ship, the USS Franklin NX 326 They call it the first warp 4 ship. But The Enterprise was NX 01 and was the first warp 5 ship.

So where that ship came from? it was build long after the Enterprise and its a warp 4?  Also the motorcycle Kirk found still have gas in the tank after like 100 years and the battery was still good?

So much inconsistance with the time line is so stupid!

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2016, 09:02:55 pm »
Could it be that they are trying to make us look back fondly on the Berman & Braga years.
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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2016, 09:12:24 pm »
It's really hard for me to take criticisms seriously when someone improperly uses "cannon" and "financier" instead of "canon" and "financial."   ;)
The ships ID's have always been a spotty point for tracking Starfleet - was the Constellation (1071) than much older than Enterprise (1701)? No, it was just easier to make from a AMT plastic kit's decals. They made it clear it was a warp-4 ship, so it's older than Archer's "E," NX number be damned. At least they tied Elba's character to ST "past" with MACO and Xindi references. (Oops, spoiler, I guess).

The less said about the motorcycle scene, the better.

At nearly $300 million worldwide so far, STB may not be the runaway hit Paramount wanted but not a bomb either. Whether or not this will impact the "next" film remains to be seen. However... wanting the films and new TV show to fail in the hopes of getting a new game is, as a Vulcan acquaintance says, highly illogical. If ST dies, it takes the games/books/tie-ins with it. Sorry, my level of schadenfreude doesn't rise to the level of self-injury. Let's hope some lessons can be learned and they'll stop hiring action directors to make what should be a sci-fi film. Frankly, that's been the problem with almost all of the ST movies - action and explosions with cardboard villains instead of the intelligence and thoughtful characters that Trek TV did, thanks as much to Berman and Braga as to Fontana and Coon.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 08:18:16 am »
How did they get 450 peoples in a ship that (beside the crews quarters) can carry like 50 + poeples?

How did that ship crash on that planet?

I find it weird that they where able to blowup the other ship with VHF and something like "rap" music.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 10:45:05 am »
let's not quibble over how the music was used, but the Beastie Boys are hip-hop. They deserve that much respect.

I do wonder how many Enterprise crew survived the attack and escape. They beam out several groups of 20-30 and you see them crowded into the "POW" camp, but, what, maybe 100-200? More? Did they ever give a number? IIRC, there was some passing comment on how Franklin crashed; but I just wonder that if it was fixable, why Elba didn't just use that for his sneak attack on Yorktown Starbase a la Reliant in TWOK? One of the many plotholes for sure.

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Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2016, 02:10:23 pm »
This dumb piece of sh*t isn't worth that much thought.
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