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#### FPF-DieHard

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##### Beyond sucked
« on: July 23, 2016, 05:25:54 pm »
It's no wonder Paramount is scared of Axanar, this steaming pile of poo was just awful.  I saw it for free and felt ripped off.

With any luck the IP will be devalued enough that nobody will care anymore.
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#### Javora

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 05:52:55 pm »
I view JJ Trek as a parody.  But given that, I think it was the best one JJ has put out so far... as parodies go.

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 06:22:55 pm »
I'm interpreting Paramount's unusually recent announcement of a fourth film in the franchise indicating they realize this isn't a strong film.

I'm interpreting the fact that they're even announcing the storyline of the fourth film at this point, Kirk meeting his father presumably through time travel, as their way of reassuring a rabid fan base that they are going to reset the timeline, so to speak, with the fourth film, and probably retire this cast (which is a shame, because I think the cast and music were the strongest things Abramstrek had going for it).  This will also keep the possibilities open for the new series/future films, etc.

I'm interpreting Abrams' comments about not recasting Chekov [with this generation of actors in the Star Trek Universe] as reinforcing my theory that the fourth film will be the final film with this group of actors/this interpretation of the Star Trek Universe, and that Kirk will probably reset everything, saving Vulcan, Chekov, his father, and his Shatnerish timeline (remember, he knows about this via Nimoyspock) by the end of the fourth film.  Heard it hear first: the fourth film initiates the reboot of the reboot, and ends Abrams' foray in the Trek universe.

#### bobfreedom

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 07:00:19 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

#### Tumulorum Fossor

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 08:35:42 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

I have NOT seen it yet. Sorry if I gave that impression. Was underwhelmed at first two, but hope springs eternal for the third. Better than no Trek at all, I think...

Anyhow, generally I don't like the wide open holes in story lines that Abrams' Trek creates.  The latest was Khan Superblood as a cure-all. But being able to transport across the galaxy also creates some troublesome story problems.  I didn't like the red matter thang.  Would also think Nero might have used his ability to go back in time to warn Romulus of the supernova. Is Abrams' Spock Vulcan or merely Asperger's?  Engineering filmed in a brewery ruined a bit of the suspension of disbelief for me.  I don't know if the Klingons could have been more unimaginatively realized, especially their ships.

That's just me. And just off the top of my head.

But the third Abramstrek film, I intend to see and has been getting good mainstream reviews. I just like the extrapolation of REAL science that Star Trek represents, and don't really feel that way about these Treks.  Cotton Candy instead of a meal.

That said, I do LOVE the casting, music, and bridge aesthetics.

#### FPF-DieHard

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 09:54:38 pm »
Why do you guys hate beyond? I watched last night and thought it was awesome. I didn't really like the new movies or the new cast until this one, I'm totally turned around, I thought it was great.

Were you intoxicated?   Then maybe this sh*tburger could have been tolerable.
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#### FPF-DieHard

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2016, 09:55:44 pm »

That said, I do LOVE the casting, music, and bridge aesthetics.

Cast is great, when I see them I think "Kirk, Spock, Bones, etc . . ."

LOVED the 2009 movie, other two were abortions.
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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 11:00:18 am »
I do believe it's possible to disagree about things and not resort to insulting people, no matter how strongly you feel on the topic.

I saw Beyond last night, and having gone in with very (very) lowered expectations found myself pleasantly surprised how much I liked it. I disliked a lot of the choices made in ST 2009 and hated "Into Darkness" as Trek and as a movie, but Beyond seemed to work better. It still feels a bit like Star Trek "Lite" and more action than sci-fi but that's hardly surprising with franchise movies these days. The cast is pretty good in their roles; altho I've never liked Quinto's Spock he was better this time and Pegg's Scotty was more than the jokey version he did previously, and the music and FX were good. I could pick at it as a filmmaker, and really nitpick it as a Trekkie, but hell, I did that with TWOK too. WIthout giving away any spoilers I saw a few plot holes  but the dialogue was pretty tight. All in all, if I had never seen the other two JJ movies I could accept this as "big screen" Trek, the same way I accepted "The Voyage Home" (which I didn't care for) or "Final Frontier" (which I personally love but have to admit it's not a good movie at all) - maybe JJ was the real problem.

IMHO, recasting TOS and starting over was inevitable. This series of movies will probably only last a few more as the cast gets expensive and box office goes down. ST and movies have always been a mixed bag, the sooner it returns to "TV"/episodic media, the better.

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 10:34:56 am »
I saw it (and am planning to see it again before my vacation is over).  I didn't hate it.  I don't know if I liked it, but this is the first Trek film since Nemesis that feels like a Trek film.  My gripes are ones that have been unique to the Abramsverse films (ignorance of science, bland soundtrack, etc.).

maybe JJ was the real problem.

He freely admitted during the media blitz leading up to the release of ST 09 that he wasn't a fan of the franchise at all, and had never seen any of it save for TMP (as a kid).  He didn't/doesn't understand what he was working with.  Keep him out of the directors chair and away from the script room and things might be salvageable.
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#### FPF-DieHard

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2016, 10:29:01 am »
Who'd thunk that Star-castling was the root of all evil . . .

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2016, 10:40:36 am »
http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/

#### Don Karnage

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 08:18:16 am »
How did they get 450 peoples in a ship that (beside the crews quarters) can carry like 50 + poeples?

How did that ship crash on that planet?

I find it weird that they where able to blowup the other ship with VHF and something like "rap" music.

#### TAnimaL

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 10:45:05 am »
let's not quibble over how the music was used, but the Beastie Boys are hip-hop. They deserve that much respect.

I do wonder how many Enterprise crew survived the attack and escape. They beam out several groups of 20-30 and you see them crowded into the "POW" camp, but, what, maybe 100-200? More? Did they ever give a number? IIRC, there was some passing comment on how Franklin crashed; but I just wonder that if it was fixable, why Elba didn't just use that for his sneak attack on Yorktown Starbase a la Reliant in TWOK? One of the many plotholes for sure.

#### FPF-DieHard

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##### Re: Beyond sucked
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2016, 02:10:23 pm »
This dumb piece of sh*t isn't worth that much thought.
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