Topic: Give Romulans a quantum singularity (Read 21352 times)

Remiak · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2003, 06:14:25 pm »

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Would you agree that Romulan players who use the Warbird should be using a Warp IX core? That's the conclusion I've come to, and it's the stragegy that I always use, since I'm an unapologetic Warbird flyer.

I agree with you for PvP.
When doing assault (planetary/bases) on D3 for pp farming, I increase warp as the taget will not go anywhere.

I also like to fly the WB a lot even with its flaw, I play for fun and flying that ship is fun for me.

Thanks

Cleaven · « **Reply #41 on:** January 23, 2003, 08:00:40 pm »

When the game first came out and people started crunching the numbers it was noted that the Warp 9 efficiency was probably the result of a typo because it didn't fit with the rest of the warp cores in a smoother way. 9,9,-5,10 and 1,-1,-8,5 for the Fed and Klingon ratios is inconsistent at the ninth position.

Aenigma · « **Reply #42 on:** January 24, 2003, 12:53:50 am »

So what do suggested, make the warpcore heavier and less powerful to compenstate for the other races. Now that would be a great idea

The difficulty with the warbird is that you can have
a: a very slow ship with powerful weapons
or b: a very fast ship (±50) with puny weapons (that's why my latest outfit carries no heavy-plasmas, they cost just too much energy for my warpcore IX, but instead has three AM-Minelayers, which are quite nasty in 1v1, especially with this speed).

Aenigma
In The Service of The Empire

Aenigma · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:51:55 am »

The Romulan Star Empire in the series use singularity engines on their ships, along with the standard warpdrives. Wouldn't it be great if we could have a singularity in the game as well? Romulans are reknowned for their great advantages in engine technology so why not?

I don't believe it should produce more warp power than a lvl X standard core, but it should be lighter (6500 instead of 7900) and it should be a lot more expensive (40000 instead of the ±20000 for the normal X warpcore).

Just an idea.

Aenigma

Commodore · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:59:21 am »

Ya, give them a singularity so that the rom players will have to go back to romulan space to refuel after enery battle!

ActiveX · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2003, 04:00:12 am »

Actually. this would solve the Warbird maneuverability problem...the QSD would have a negative mass, maybe negative 5000 or so, this would be interesting to test...hmm...and this is why Warbirds could outmaneuver most ships half its size...

LongTooth · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2003, 04:48:24 am »

The quantum singularity is a black hole it does not need to be refuled or shut down
In fact it cant be shut down

Son of Technobabble · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2003, 04:59:05 am »

Good idea. That is the first step towards the greatly needed racial flavor...
And the Warbird could really use some more engine mass.

Son of Technobabble · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2003, 05:26:32 am »

Hmm... actually black holes are extremely massive, but it would be pretty useless to have a huge QSD instead of a warp core.

BTW not only warbirds are supposed to be powered by QSDs, in fact, the romulans don't use standard warp cores at all, only QSDs in every ship. That's the reason for them having hollow parts (I hink I read that somewhere...).

Maybe It would be fair to have a very efficient warp core (AKA QSD) in exchange for it being easily damaged (compared to what warp cores will be after the patch) or having a moderate chance of it destabilizing somehow.

Aenigma · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:15:23 am »

Black holes are indeed extremely massive, but we don't know if this mass is actually mass as we know it. Because of the extreme circumstances inside the singularity it could be energy as well. Actually mass and energy are connected.

Aenigma

Son of Technobabble · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2003, 06:47:39 am »

I fear this will lead into a scientific debate if this goes on hehe...

Even though we don't know what are the conditions of matter, energy, or both inside a black hole (there are some interesting theories though), this is, below the event horizon, we actually know that black holes act as extremely massive star bodies due to the gravitational disturbances they create. If they create a gravitational disturbance, regardless of the actual conditions of the black hole itself, it is logic to think that the source(?) that is creating the disturbance will affect everything about it, in this case, a ship using it as an energy source...or not...

Cleaven · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2003, 07:07:22 am »

Black holes do not need much mass in a stellar sense, with their formation being possible for a star only a little bigger than our own Sol.

But a quantum singularity, if one actually existed, would not have mass on this order. It would be much smaller, having sufficient mass to produce the required spatial distortion to provide warp power and yet still be containable. Could gravitons be manipulated to negate mass? Well you already have gravity webs keeping Sulu's backside in his plastic chair while he is at the helm station and anti-grav units to move around very heavy (confused and self-destructing) space probes so the precident has been set.

ActiveX · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2003, 07:54:36 am »

Actually, the supposed 'canon' approach to expalining QSDs is simple:

Since the actual mass of the Singularity is way too much for a ship to move, the Romulans use inertial dampeners to negate the mass effects of the singularity. This effect actually make the ship seems to be less in mass than the actual masses of the parts it is composed of. This is why a Warbird on the TV series can dance around a Galaxy...

So, I think all we need to change is the masses of the Rom cores to the reciprocal values...basically just use the same number, but make it negative...

Does this work? It makes the Roms more like the Roms...

Robb Stark · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2003, 08:14:14 am »

How does it make the "Roms more like Roms?" All I'm seeing here, for practical purposes, is the idea that the mass of the warp cores for Romulans be reduced. You can say it's because of their Quantum Singularities if you like, or you can say it's because of a double cheeseburger in space - the practical result is the warp core mass is reduced.

The practical upshot is that Romulan ships would have more mass for thrusters and impulse. Faster, more maneuverable Romulans... is this what the game needs? I don't think so. Speed and maneuverability are supposed to be the Klingon advantages. Give those advantages to the Romulans, and we'll see even LESS racial diversity, not more.

ActiveX · « **Reply #55 on:** January 22, 2003, 08:20:06 am »

Oh did I mention that only large Romulans ships could even think about using a QSD? And isnt it the large Rommies ships that are horribly slow?

Whiplash · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:41:03 am »

The Rom singularity was their power core. It would be there in place of a warp core. I have no idea which would be more massive. Containing exploding antimatter takes some serious hardware. Containing a (lot of?) rapidly spinning micro-black-holes would take some serious hardware also. I don't think there is a justification for saying one is lighter or better than the other.

You could state that the Rom warp core is powered by a QSD rather than M-AM annihilation. Its a name change only. So my question is, What would you change to the way a warp core operates to give the Roms individual flavor (thats also not unbalancing)?

Speaking of cores, the Breen, if they ever appear, should get a warpcore power-dampening weapon. The only odd thing is it doesn't affect Klingon power cores. Don't know about Rom. They can't give them a weapon that only affected Feds. Would anyone play with it?

W.

NJAntman · « **Reply #58 on:** January 22, 2003, 09:51:48 am »

I don't care about the specifics. Just the thought of popping a Rom and watching the debris fall back into the spinning singularity! Haven't seen that since SFC1! (somewhere, think it was a bonus mission?) Granted the patch to include it better contain a better damage graphic or watching the Rom go pop would be short lived at short range.

762 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:20:20 am »

Agreed. But when I blow up a Warbird it should trigger a massive phase transition which sucks up the entire sector into the point where it died.

Also, Fed ships should have their yogurt dispensers.

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