Topic: OP+ shiplist 2.2 now up! (Read 15257 times)

FireSoul · « **on:** July 17, 2003, 02:40:56 pm »

With the release of the OP Patch 2.5.4.10, I can release the next version of the OP+ shiplist.

Downloadable:
http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/opplus_22.exe

Site, and FAQ:
http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/

Stats:

Quote:

The original SFC:OP shiplist has 2370 ship entries.
The OP Plus Refit shiplist has 4062 ship entries.

.. that's almost 1700 additional ships the the shiplist.txt file.

Now I know that some of you have been waiting for this too. Well, here it is. I'm proud to present this shiplist with a very easy to use installer. (Thanks NullSoft!

).

Changes since version 2.1c (20030503):
http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/changes_from_2.1c_to_2.2.txt

-- Luc

PS: I recommend installing AFTER the patch is applied.

AdmiralFrey_XC · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2003, 02:44:15 pm »

OHHH YEAH !!

I'm going to head to GSA and start up a room!

WOOT !!

Thanks for all your hard work on this, and many other things FireSoul - you are a truly valuable community member.

Regards,

CptCastrin · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2003, 02:49:20 pm »

Don't forget to update your info on SFCx.net.

CptCastrin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:18:12 pm »

Done and done!

Great work FS, can't wait to play with this puppy.

Sten · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:21:54 pm »

From what I have looked over of the new shiplist good job Firesoul.

Sten

Reptor7 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:32:37 pm »

Thanks, Firesoul!

Corbomite · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2003, 05:33:42 pm »

Thank you very much. Great work.

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:52:28 pm »

Hey, FS! Thanks for everything!

Quick question: I have a batch file that automates the process for me in going from default to OP+ shiplist. Usually with OP+ updates, I'd simply port the latest ftrlist, shiplist, shipnames, strings.txt files into a folder I created called "OP+" in the assets directory, where my batch file knew to always be able to access them for the sake of altering the game (I also created an "OP" folder wherein I kept the originals to switch back).

Can I simply set my OP back to default, install the 2.2 shiplist using the auto installer, and then access the ftrlist, shiplist, shipnames, and strings files that had just been installed and use THOSE as the source for the new OP+ text files?

In other words, your autoinstaller does the exact same thing that we were doing before? No new files or new directories to install to?

Thanks!

-TF

FireSoul · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2003, 07:03:40 pm »

try installing to a different directory and copying the files from there.

IndyShark · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2003, 07:19:17 pm »

Way cool, thanks Firesoul! This rocks

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2003, 08:54:50 pm »

Thanks, FS!

Installing to a different directory and pulling out the Big Four Text Files was the ticket.

By the way, one could EASILY just move their file opplus_22.exe into their Orion Pirates folder, put a link under their Start>Program>Orion Pirates, renaming it "OP+ Shiplist," then put another shortcut link to the file "opplus_uninstall.exe" (created during the OPPlus installation in the "Starfleet Command Orion PIrates" folder), ALSO under their Start>Program>Orion Pirates, renaming it "OP Shiplist," and can easily switch between the two shiplists painlessly.

But I seriously doubt there will be much demand for switching out of the OP+ shiplist!

Thanks, again, FS!

-TF

dderidex · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:13:43 pm »

Sweet, so when do we get a D2 server with this and the new patch on it?

Second question (since I haven't opened it yet - still waiting on patch download):

How many different ship models did you use? Or, is this all still pointing at the stock folders?

Just curious, I'd like to use a common shiplist again (rather than my custom one), but I had different hulls for the NCA vs the NCL, for example. Taldren's default has the same model used for both.

You follow Taldren in that matter? Or, do you take a few changes to break out hull types more?

Just wondering.

Tulwar · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:20:57 pm »

How do you get back to the stock ship list? Do I have to dig it out of my backups?

FireSoul · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:46:42 pm »

This is an exe installer. By uninstalling through normal means, it will restore the shiplists that were in place.

As for models, not in this version. C'mon, at 224kb, you think it contains anything else?
When I do a version with models included, you'll know just by the filesize. I intend to do as well as I can with the available materials.

Cleaven · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2003, 02:36:24 am »

Of course you could just use the installer to make copies of existing directories and let the individual replace models as desired. But you probably need some time off for good behaviour first, before embarking on that.

dderidex · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:25:35 am »

That's more what I was thinking. Something like the NCL and NCA *should* be able to have seperate models, so just have the installer copy the NCL folder to NCA, and rename some files in it (NCL.mod to NCA.mod, for example).

Then, point the NCA hulls as the new 'NCA' folder instead of the 'NCL' folder. That way, modders can replace the NCAs with a different hull than the NCLs without having to use a custom shiplist.

FireSoul · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2003, 12:13:00 pm »

Setting it up so that other people can do their own models? That seems like a lot of second-guessing and work..

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2003, 01:53:35 pm »

My biggest desire in having FireSoul put his weight behind legitimizing a model list is that it continues the spirit of his shiplist:

Translating SFB over to SFC while still maintaining the unique SFC feel to things. Keeping it all relative.

To that end, how individuals select their own models does directly affect [albeit minimally] how the game is played. With the right choice of model, one could easily configure one's SFC to reveal more information than one deserves early on in a match. In other words, I could make all DRONE ships, say, BLUE models. So regardless of what I'm picking up on my TacIntel, just by looking at my PC screen I can immediately tell something about my opponent. So it's kind of cheesy (albeit, as I said, of limited effect ultmately).

Since SFB has definitive listings for HULL TYPES, one can definitely make some generalizations as to which models correspond to which SFB-Hull Types, and take it from there, thereby allowing some variety in models, but adhering to some common standard that enhances the gaming experience for everyone.

That's my take on it. (BTW, FireSoul, let me know if there's anything I can do to help if you decide to incorporate models... grunt-work kind of stuff

).

-TF

Auron · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:00:27 pm »

There is no NEED to include the models at all, just the directories to put them in and the proper pointers in the shiplist. Use .bat commands to copy the current models into the new directories. So to a player that didn't want anything to do with custom models would show no difference at all but for the custom modeler he/she could enjoy the game even more.

dderidex · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:14:10 pm »

Wouldn't even need a .bat file.

The WISE installer software can create an install script that renames and copy folders just fine.

That's why I used for the SFC3 9-ship mod pack.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:19:45 pm »

Heh, so now I'm working on two sets.

One out of my imagination (but using a somewhat SFC style) and one trying to conform a little closer to SFB. So much the better for the community, eh? Hopefully I'll be relatively done with both tugs sometime this weekend. I miffed the textures on one, way too orange, but that's neither here nor there. Heck, I'll post the one Doug is talking about.

This is one that is made up of a Kitbash that Attibat and I did, and all new "pods". The SFB style one will have pallets and will be based off the LCA hull so it will look much different (just need to un-miff the textures).

And for those who do not like it, it's not anything mandatory, just something I'm doing to help give some variety for when the OP+ supports new model directories. I'm not aware of that many tug models out there (especially for races other than the big 3) so I figured I'd give it a go.

FireSoul · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:21:06 pm »

Folks, I think there are a few things you need to know about the next version and how I will include models..

1- The current shiplist kit is around 250kb. Modem users LOVE that. I intend to maintain support to these users. That means I will probably have 2 downloadables.
2- Arguing about how I'm going to do it is not going to help since I already made up my mind how.
3- Which models I will use will be carefully picked. I won't mix styles too much unless it makes sense.
4- Not everybody will be happy with the results. That's also why I will have 2 downloadables.

FireSoul · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:25:55 pm »

I was discrediting .bat files, not the WISE installer.
.. as for the WISE installer, I already started with NSIS, so what's the point?

-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:33:47 pm »

Anyways.. Please enjoy the current version of the shiplist. Dwelling on the next one's stressing me out right now. I have a nasty headache. Let me take care of it, my own way, the way I find it to work right.

-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #37 on:** July 18, 2003, 05:23:27 pm »

Hey MadElf, try out the new Boom arcs on the F5s. Don't trust the UI graphics. They're still FAL/FAR like before, except they fire down the rear of the ship too.

Holocat · « **Reply #40 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:07:27 pm »

How about:

The first installer install OP+, and the *structure* needed to add models, ie, the directory trick that's being talked about here.

The second installer not install OP+, but just the models that will be produced to support OP+, meaning that it would fill the structure created by the first installer. So long as the default models in use now match up in size to the models that replace them, I'm hoping that the siz file won't have to be adversely affected.

Other than HD size requirements expanding, this should allow peaceful intergration of OP+, OP+ with models, maintain the newfound ease of installation, and allow them both to play on the same dynaverse/gsa without problem.

A simple suggestion,

Holocat.

Cleaven · « **Reply #41 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:19:03 pm »

That suits me. All I want is a couple of models to differentiate the Romulan Kestrels from the Klingon ships.

Holocat · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2003, 11:12:57 pm »

I should type my replies faster next time.

Ah well. Since Emerald Edge is picking up the ball on this, i've offered my support. That comment about 'cruisers with boxes behind them' isn't in reference to my unfinished version of that tug is it?

Ah well. His is better anyway.

Will replacing textures be a problem for multiplayer capability? I'll probably have to do this to save some processor time if I get the yet-to-come model pack for OP+.

The-cat-who-is-slow-on-the-uptake-today,

Holocat.

Holocat · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2003, 11:21:59 pm »

You switched out all the gorn models?

*THUD*

The-cat-who-has-been-given-a-lurid-hint-at-what-is-to-come,

Holocat.

Holocat · « **Reply #49 on:** July 19, 2003, 12:03:00 am »

For the sake of my videocard's sanity, does anyone know how many polys a standard taldren G-CA is?

pawing at the wave of OP+ future,

Holocat.

FireSoul · « **Reply #52 on:** July 19, 2003, 03:33:15 am »

In order, from left to right: KR, K7R and KCR .. in a family gathering, of sorts.
The sizes aren't that noticeable, but look again: compare the KR (left) with the KCR (right)

feargusf · « **Reply #53 on:** July 19, 2003, 03:51:29 am »

Just to add a little note of praise, FireSoul, you are a godsend! What you have done for this game already is a tremendous boon. Everythig just feels so right with all of the resources that you have available at your site. The "Gold Standard" version of OP is now, IMO, 2.5.4.10 with the EAW campaigns, the Evil Dave Missions, and the OP+ 2.2 shiplist. For you to go further and add models to break up some of the visual gaps that remain is almost too much to even hope for. This game now feels complete, it has become the great expansion to EAW that it always should have been. Thank you for your continued efforts to make something that was already great into something truly spectacular.

BTW, there's a shy little kid inside of me that just loves the fact that, if I so desire, I can fly an R-SEX now.

IndyShark · « **Reply #56 on:** July 20, 2003, 10:27:13 am »

Firesoul, I love what you have done to the Pirates! They have some nice ships now and with engine doubling, I can see people flying them once in a while.

dderidex · « **Reply #57 on:** July 20, 2003, 12:09:40 pm »

Think I'll wait for this next update, then, before replacing my shiplist.

Looks good.

Here's hoping I can still use the 'D2 Model pack' (all those FASA ships) to replace models with without any problems!

Nice work - and the Gorn, especially. I wasn't looking forward to having to replace all those ships myself!

FireSoul · « **Reply #60 on:** July 20, 2003, 05:13:57 pm »

(copied from Models forum)

Another idea I have had:
.. to edit Taldren skins to create Taldren-based skin variants with landing bays on same models.
ie:

Mirak:
Z-CA -> Z-CV
Z-DN -> Z-CVA, Z-SCS
Z-CL -> Z-CVL
Z-DD -> Z-DDV
BCV could use the Z-CV's. The MCV's could use a copy of the CVL's, but resized via model.siz..

ISC:
I-CA -> I-CV
I-DN -> I-CVA
I-CL -> I-CVL
I-FF -> I-FFV
BCV could use the I-CV's.

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #61 on:** July 21, 2003, 05:02:54 am »

most of the ships are overtweaked and i joust dont understand why.when i see a bcf with 2x1 f plasma and all those ships with like 8 disrupters but all in different spots -this just makes grouping a hard thing since u can just make 4 groups and it ends up in a "move mouse there hit z......sheeeeeeet wheres the other weapon....."
plus its like kryptic glyphs if u imagine all those names from ships and description......noone can tell me that the "normal" sfc player knows what it stands for

Auron · « **Reply #65 on:** July 21, 2003, 09:55:21 am »

Hey, do they EAW mission and such still work with the new patch or do they need to be changed??

Reverend · « **Reply #66 on:** July 21, 2003, 10:18:50 am »

Just going to batter that normal statement to death, aren't you? You must be ill... you didn't say SFB after every sentence. Being here is like a bad game of Simon Says.

FireSoul · « **Reply #69 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:34:41 pm »

Bumping this back up..

OP+ 3.0 work progresses. Go check out the tugs that EmeraldEdge has been putting together (some for me):
http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=131264&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1

-- Luc

Jwest · « **Reply #70 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:25:40 pm »

Firesoul - having just started playing again after a considerable hiatus, I'd like to say that the KR7X (X-Stormbird, basically) is just plain wrong. I'm flying it, and it's fun as heck, but it is still just wrong. Gorn firing arcs, Romulan heavy Weapon, Federation shielding and Klingon Manueverabilty. with X-inside . . .

It's fun, but sick . . .

FireSoul · « **Reply #73 on:** July 30, 2003, 02:03:10 am »

FYI:
I revamped the main site into a more manageable webpage. This is actually going to be useful to anyone who have questions. After all, the pages act like they're a big FAQ (there's an increadible ammount of documentation there for a shiplist project).

http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/

FireSoul · « **Reply #74 on:** July 30, 2003, 08:40:45 am »

Because of Storm Season 2 (D2 server), I may release a 3.0 release shortly. I'll give you more details later.

dderidex · « **Reply #75 on:** August 01, 2003, 04:23:29 pm »

Do, indeed.

If that's the version that starts breaking out some more hull types, I will most definately be moving over from my own custom shiplist to this one.

AdmiralFrey_XC · « **Reply #77 on:** July 17, 2003, 02:44:15 pm »

OHHH YEAH !!

I'm going to head to GSA and start up a room!

WOOT !!

Thanks for all your hard work on this, and many other things FireSoul - you are a truly valuable community member.

Regards,

CptCastrin · « **Reply #78 on:** July 17, 2003, 02:49:20 pm »

Don't forget to update your info on SFCx.net.

CptCastrin · « **Reply #80 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:18:12 pm »

Done and done!

Great work FS, can't wait to play with this puppy.

Sten · « **Reply #81 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:21:54 pm »

From what I have looked over of the new shiplist good job Firesoul.

Sten

Reptor7 · « **Reply #82 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:32:37 pm »

Thanks, Firesoul!

Corbomite · « **Reply #83 on:** July 17, 2003, 05:33:42 pm »

Thank you very much. Great work.

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #84 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:52:28 pm »

Hey, FS! Thanks for everything!

Quick question: I have a batch file that automates the process for me in going from default to OP+ shiplist. Usually with OP+ updates, I'd simply port the latest ftrlist, shiplist, shipnames, strings.txt files into a folder I created called "OP+" in the assets directory, where my batch file knew to always be able to access them for the sake of altering the game (I also created an "OP" folder wherein I kept the originals to switch back).

Can I simply set my OP back to default, install the 2.2 shiplist using the auto installer, and then access the ftrlist, shiplist, shipnames, and strings files that had just been installed and use THOSE as the source for the new OP+ text files?

In other words, your autoinstaller does the exact same thing that we were doing before? No new files or new directories to install to?

Thanks!

-TF

FireSoul · « **Reply #85 on:** July 17, 2003, 07:03:40 pm »

try installing to a different directory and copying the files from there.

IndyShark · « **Reply #86 on:** July 17, 2003, 07:19:17 pm »

Way cool, thanks Firesoul! This rocks

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #87 on:** July 17, 2003, 08:54:50 pm »

Thanks, FS!

Installing to a different directory and pulling out the Big Four Text Files was the ticket.

By the way, one could EASILY just move their file opplus_22.exe into their Orion Pirates folder, put a link under their Start>Program>Orion Pirates, renaming it "OP+ Shiplist," then put another shortcut link to the file "opplus_uninstall.exe" (created during the OPPlus installation in the "Starfleet Command Orion PIrates" folder), ALSO under their Start>Program>Orion Pirates, renaming it "OP Shiplist," and can easily switch between the two shiplists painlessly.

But I seriously doubt there will be much demand for switching out of the OP+ shiplist!

Thanks, again, FS!

-TF

dderidex · « **Reply #88 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:13:43 pm »

Sweet, so when do we get a D2 server with this and the new patch on it?

Second question (since I haven't opened it yet - still waiting on patch download):

How many different ship models did you use? Or, is this all still pointing at the stock folders?

Just curious, I'd like to use a common shiplist again (rather than my custom one), but I had different hulls for the NCA vs the NCL, for example. Taldren's default has the same model used for both.

You follow Taldren in that matter? Or, do you take a few changes to break out hull types more?

Just wondering.

Tulwar · « **Reply #89 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:20:57 pm »

How do you get back to the stock ship list? Do I have to dig it out of my backups?

FireSoul · « **Reply #90 on:** July 17, 2003, 11:46:42 pm »

This is an exe installer. By uninstalling through normal means, it will restore the shiplists that were in place.

As for models, not in this version. C'mon, at 224kb, you think it contains anything else?
When I do a version with models included, you'll know just by the filesize. I intend to do as well as I can with the available materials.

Cleaven · « **Reply #91 on:** July 18, 2003, 02:36:24 am »

Of course you could just use the installer to make copies of existing directories and let the individual replace models as desired. But you probably need some time off for good behaviour first, before embarking on that.

dderidex · « **Reply #92 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:25:35 am »

That's more what I was thinking. Something like the NCL and NCA *should* be able to have seperate models, so just have the installer copy the NCL folder to NCA, and rename some files in it (NCL.mod to NCA.mod, for example).

Then, point the NCA hulls as the new 'NCA' folder instead of the 'NCL' folder. That way, modders can replace the NCAs with a different hull than the NCLs without having to use a custom shiplist.

FireSoul · « **Reply #93 on:** July 18, 2003, 12:13:00 pm »

Setting it up so that other people can do their own models? That seems like a lot of second-guessing and work..

Tumulorum Fossor · « **Reply #94 on:** July 18, 2003, 01:53:35 pm »

My biggest desire in having FireSoul put his weight behind legitimizing a model list is that it continues the spirit of his shiplist:

Translating SFB over to SFC while still maintaining the unique SFC feel to things. Keeping it all relative.

To that end, how individuals select their own models does directly affect [albeit minimally] how the game is played. With the right choice of model, one could easily configure one's SFC to reveal more information than one deserves early on in a match. In other words, I could make all DRONE ships, say, BLUE models. So regardless of what I'm picking up on my TacIntel, just by looking at my PC screen I can immediately tell something about my opponent. So it's kind of cheesy (albeit, as I said, of limited effect ultmately).

Since SFB has definitive listings for HULL TYPES, one can definitely make some generalizations as to which models correspond to which SFB-Hull Types, and take it from there, thereby allowing some variety in models, but adhering to some common standard that enhances the gaming experience for everyone.

That's my take on it. (BTW, FireSoul, let me know if there's anything I can do to help if you decide to incorporate models... grunt-work kind of stuff

).

-TF

Auron · « **Reply #100 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:00:27 pm »

There is no NEED to include the models at all, just the directories to put them in and the proper pointers in the shiplist. Use .bat commands to copy the current models into the new directories. So to a player that didn't want anything to do with custom models would show no difference at all but for the custom modeler he/she could enjoy the game even more.

dderidex · « **Reply #101 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:14:10 pm »

Wouldn't even need a .bat file.

The WISE installer software can create an install script that renames and copy folders just fine.

That's why I used for the SFC3 9-ship mod pack.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #104 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:19:45 pm »

Heh, so now I'm working on two sets.

One out of my imagination (but using a somewhat SFC style) and one trying to conform a little closer to SFB. So much the better for the community, eh? Hopefully I'll be relatively done with both tugs sometime this weekend. I miffed the textures on one, way too orange, but that's neither here nor there. Heck, I'll post the one Doug is talking about.

This is one that is made up of a Kitbash that Attibat and I did, and all new "pods". The SFB style one will have pallets and will be based off the LCA hull so it will look much different (just need to un-miff the textures).

And for those who do not like it, it's not anything mandatory, just something I'm doing to help give some variety for when the OP+ supports new model directories. I'm not aware of that many tug models out there (especially for races other than the big 3) so I figured I'd give it a go.

FireSoul · « **Reply #105 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:21:06 pm »

Folks, I think there are a few things you need to know about the next version and how I will include models..

1- The current shiplist kit is around 250kb. Modem users LOVE that. I intend to maintain support to these users. That means I will probably have 2 downloadables.
2- Arguing about how I'm going to do it is not going to help since I already made up my mind how.
3- Which models I will use will be carefully picked. I won't mix styles too much unless it makes sense.
4- Not everybody will be happy with the results. That's also why I will have 2 downloadables.

FireSoul · « **Reply #107 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:25:55 pm »

I was discrediting .bat files, not the WISE installer.
.. as for the WISE installer, I already started with NSIS, so what's the point?

-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #108 on:** July 18, 2003, 04:33:47 pm »

Anyways.. Please enjoy the current version of the shiplist. Dwelling on the next one's stressing me out right now. I have a nasty headache. Let me take care of it, my own way, the way I find it to work right.

-- Luc

FireSoul · « **Reply #113 on:** July 18, 2003, 05:23:27 pm »

Hey MadElf, try out the new Boom arcs on the F5s. Don't trust the UI graphics. They're still FAL/FAR like before, except they fire down the rear of the ship too.

Holocat · « **Reply #116 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:07:27 pm »

How about:

The first installer install OP+, and the *structure* needed to add models, ie, the directory trick that's being talked about here.

The second installer not install OP+, but just the models that will be produced to support OP+, meaning that it would fill the structure created by the first installer. So long as the default models in use now match up in size to the models that replace them, I'm hoping that the siz file won't have to be adversely affected.

Other than HD size requirements expanding, this should allow peaceful intergration of OP+, OP+ with models, maintain the newfound ease of installation, and allow them both to play on the same dynaverse/gsa without problem.

A simple suggestion,

Holocat.

Cleaven · « **Reply #117 on:** July 18, 2003, 09:19:03 pm »

That suits me. All I want is a couple of models to differentiate the Romulan Kestrels from the Klingon ships.

Holocat · « **Reply #121 on:** July 18, 2003, 11:12:57 pm »

I should type my replies faster next time.

Ah well. Since Emerald Edge is picking up the ball on this, i've offered my support. That comment about 'cruisers with boxes behind them' isn't in reference to my unfinished version of that tug is it?

Ah well. His is better anyway.

Will replacing textures be a problem for multiplayer capability? I'll probably have to do this to save some processor time if I get the yet-to-come model pack for OP+.

The-cat-who-is-slow-on-the-uptake-today,

Holocat.

Holocat · « **Reply #123 on:** July 18, 2003, 11:21:59 pm »

You switched out all the gorn models?

*THUD*

The-cat-who-has-been-given-a-lurid-hint-at-what-is-to-come,

Holocat.

Holocat · « **Reply #125 on:** July 19, 2003, 12:03:00 am »

For the sake of my videocard's sanity, does anyone know how many polys a standard taldren G-CA is?

pawing at the wave of OP+ future,

Holocat.

FireSoul · « **Reply #128 on:** July 19, 2003, 03:33:15 am »

In order, from left to right: KR, K7R and KCR .. in a family gathering, of sorts.
The sizes aren't that noticeable, but look again: compare the KR (left) with the KCR (right)

feargusf · « **Reply #129 on:** July 19, 2003, 03:51:29 am »

Just to add a little note of praise, FireSoul, you are a godsend! What you have done for this game already is a tremendous boon. Everythig just feels so right with all of the resources that you have available at your site. The "Gold Standard" version of OP is now, IMO, 2.5.4.10 with the EAW campaigns, the Evil Dave Missions, and the OP+ 2.2 shiplist. For you to go further and add models to break up some of the visual gaps that remain is almost too much to even hope for. This game now feels complete, it has become the great expansion to EAW that it always should have been. Thank you for your continued efforts to make something that was already great into something truly spectacular.

BTW, there's a shy little kid inside of me that just loves the fact that, if I so desire, I can fly an R-SEX now.

IndyShark · « **Reply #132 on:** July 20, 2003, 10:27:13 am »

Firesoul, I love what you have done to the Pirates! They have some nice ships now and with engine doubling, I can see people flying them once in a while.

dderidex · « **Reply #133 on:** July 20, 2003, 12:09:40 pm »

Think I'll wait for this next update, then, before replacing my shiplist.

Looks good.

Here's hoping I can still use the 'D2 Model pack' (all those FASA ships) to replace models with without any problems!

Nice work - and the Gorn, especially. I wasn't looking forward to having to replace all those ships myself!

FireSoul · « **Reply #136 on:** July 20, 2003, 05:13:57 pm »

(copied from Models forum)

Another idea I have had:
.. to edit Taldren skins to create Taldren-based skin variants with landing bays on same models.
ie:

Mirak:
Z-CA -> Z-CV
Z-DN -> Z-CVA, Z-SCS
Z-CL -> Z-CVL
Z-DD -> Z-DDV
BCV could use the Z-CV's. The MCV's could use a copy of the CVL's, but resized via model.siz..

ISC:
I-CA -> I-CV
I-DN -> I-CVA
I-CL -> I-CVL
I-FF -> I-FFV
BCV could use the I-CV's.

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #137 on:** July 21, 2003, 05:02:54 am »

most of the ships are overtweaked and i joust dont understand why.when i see a bcf with 2x1 f plasma and all those ships with like 8 disrupters but all in different spots -this just makes grouping a hard thing since u can just make 4 groups and it ends up in a "move mouse there hit z......sheeeeeeet wheres the other weapon....."
plus its like kryptic glyphs if u imagine all those names from ships and description......noone can tell me that the "normal" sfc player knows what it stands for

Auron · « **Reply #141 on:** July 21, 2003, 09:55:21 am »

Hey, do they EAW mission and such still work with the new patch or do they need to be changed??

Reverend · « **Reply #142 on:** July 21, 2003, 10:18:50 am »

Just going to batter that normal statement to death, aren't you? You must be ill... you didn't say SFB after every sentence. Being here is like a bad game of Simon Says.

FireSoul · « **Reply #145 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:34:41 pm »

Bumping this back up..

OP+ 3.0 work progresses. Go check out the tugs that EmeraldEdge has been putting together (some for me):
http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=131264&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1

-- Luc

Jwest · « **Reply #146 on:** July 23, 2003, 05:25:40 pm »

Firesoul - having just started playing again after a considerable hiatus, I'd like to say that the KR7X (X-Stormbird, basically) is just plain wrong. I'm flying it, and it's fun as heck, but it is still just wrong. Gorn firing arcs, Romulan heavy Weapon, Federation shielding and Klingon Manueverabilty. with X-inside . . .

It's fun, but sick . . .

FireSoul · « **Reply #149 on:** July 30, 2003, 02:03:10 am »

FYI:
I revamped the main site into a more manageable webpage. This is actually going to be useful to anyone who have questions. After all, the pages act like they're a big FAQ (there's an increadible ammount of documentation there for a shiplist project).

http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/

FireSoul · « **Reply #150 on:** July 30, 2003, 08:40:45 am »

Because of Storm Season 2 (D2 server), I may release a 3.0 release shortly. I'll give you more details later.

dderidex · « **Reply #151 on:** August 01, 2003, 04:23:29 pm »

Do, indeed.

If that's the version that starts breaking out some more hull types, I will most definately be moving over from my own custom shiplist to this one.

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